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Sticking Together While Dealing With Doses Of Reality

Bruinsnation_tiny by Nestor on in Football

We all knew this kind of day was coming. We just didn’t have an idea how bad it was going to be:

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Photo Credit: AP Photo/Douglas C. Pizac (via WWL)

We talked about the doses of reality we were going to have to deal with this year during the off season with a team with two injured QBs, a ravaged OL and an inexperienced defense with new starters sprinkled all over its lineup.

Then the Tennessee game happened … in which the coaching staff managed to rally this team to a victory with total smoke and mirrors after losing its starting TB, TE and FL in first half of the game. While we were riding high for two weeks … we had a pretty good idea in what we were facing in BYU: one of the best coached team in the country. We have to give them props for putting together an incredible performance. Congrats to them. Here is the box score if anyone cares (for now).

 It’s not a surprise that we took one in the chin. Yes, the loss was lot worse than anyone of us could ever imagined. Yet … it just brought us back to the reality we have been bracing for all of f season.

With that said … the season is not lost.

This will be not be the last time we are going to take it in the chin either. There will be lot more tough moments rest of this season.

Now The question for everyone:  Are we going to stick together just like we did during many dispiriting moments during first two years of Howland in Westwood?

I feel good about that answer from all the community members here in BN. Better days are ahead of us However, if there is any bandwagoner out there who want to get off it … go for it … but don’t bother coming back.

We will have more on the game tomorrow before we quickly shift our focus on the next opponent early next week.

we still have a long way to go.We have three straight games at home. No matter what we are going to stick together and stay with this team.

For now the thread is all yours.

GO BRUINS.

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A quick note for those who are creating accounts today

If you are creating account today just to flame the team, coaches … will be instantly gone.

So think a little before you comment just to troll with a new account.

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by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 3:46 PM PDT   0 recs

How

does that work, exactly, Nestor? I’m curious about that. Can SBNation actually block them?

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 13, 2008 3:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We can delete comments/accounts

But if someone creates multiple accounts … just to spam/troll … we will report it to SBN … so their entire IP addess is banned … from the whole network.

That BYU dude has been reported … he also created another account under the title “Bruin 66” … that is gone as well.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 3:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Usually I’m anti-bans, but when you’re joining just to flame, OH HELL NO…

That said, we all knew we got lucky with Tenn and we have work to do.

GO BRUINS!

by impaulv on Sep 13, 2008 3:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I will say

I’m looking forward to how CRN handles this.

We all knew there would be losses, even bad losses, but this is probably the last thing we needed to happen.

Next week is big.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 3:47 PM PDT   0 recs

I Have To Agree

this will be a real test for CRN.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 13, 2008 3:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Matchups

…or rather mis-matchups like of this magnitude won’t be seen again until we see SC… if ever. By Dec, we’ll have a much better grip on ourselves.

They had everything we didn’t today, but I can tell you this. You will NEVER see anything like that again… not from UCLA, not from Neuheisel & Co… not ever.

by logan_5 on Sep 13, 2008 4:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Anyone can be a coach during the good times.

I am very concerned about our ability to execute any gameplan that we can come up with during the week though. Our thin depth chart got a little thinner today.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 3:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It will be interesting to see how they respond

If they learn a lesson from this it could be a good thing in the long run.

by SuperBruinMan on Sep 13, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I Wonder

if there are statistics on the subsequent games for those teams that had those horrible, lopsided losses discussed in the game thread?

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 13, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My guess is

We didn’t respond well. Those early teams were just bad. I don’t think this team will be that bad.

by SuperBruinMan on Sep 13, 2008 4:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

Players that went out of bounds on a play and he… er… doesn’t move that well laterally.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 3:52 PM PDT   0 recs

It's a hard loss

But I know everyone here has total faith in the coaching staff and things will get better.

by bruingreaser26 on Sep 13, 2008 3:55 PM PDT   0 recs

Not really

I’m seriously concerned that this coaching staff was so ill prepared for this game and the team not only gave up, but never showed up. This team showed a kind of quit today I didn’t they had in them.

We new there would be tough losses this year, but this is not a tough loss. It’s potentially defining.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If that's your definition of quit

I submit that you probably should have seen it coming. These aren’t the guys from last year. They’re the guys that sat behind those guys on the depth chart from last year, and last year’s team knew a lot about not showing up.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not that we lost.

It’s HOW we lost. Who on that field cared? When was the last time you saw a team get so thoroughly dominated? That gave up?

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 4:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And that was

So unprepared and so bad that you couldn’t even make adjustments?

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 4:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...

That’s exactly what I’m worried about.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 4:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's little silly to bring up last year

given the “experience” this team had last year.

Your starting to sound like the same fans who were getting panicked after Howland was losing game after game at Pauley in his first season.

Take a time out and chill.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 4:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess nuance is lost on some people

What do people think happens a year after a Senior-laden team?

I was always hopeful that your preseason expectations post would be looked back on as pessimistic, but the personnel issues now are actually worse than when you wrote them. But what do we know, we’re just sandbagging right?

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 4:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

Just looked it up. My comments on first two games:

# Tennessee (L): The eyes of the entire college football world are going to be on the UCLA football program on September 1st when the Bruins officially kick off the Neuheisal era on the WWL. No doubt all of us – the entire Bruin Nation – will be at a fever pitch with excitement. But, the Bruins are going to be taking on a powerful Volunteers team that is coming off a win over Big-10 power Wisconsin in the Outback Bowl, and the SEC East Championship. The Volunteers have their own questions. They will be breaking in a new quarterback who will be looking to replace the dependable Eric Ainge, and a new OC, following the departure of David Cutcliffe (who coincidentally beat out KD for the HCing position at Duke). Dave Clawson, from Richmond, is taking over for Cutcliffe and is going to be running some version of the WCO. Tennessee, true to the spirit of the Fulmer Cup, once again has had an interesting off season. But these guys still have a lot of talent. Jonathan Crompton could emerge as the next dependable TN signal caller. They have a solid group in the secondary and they are used to playing in the big stage. I think this is going to be a close game. However, I am expecting the Vols to pull out this game. The Bruins start the season 0-1.
# @ BYU (L): After taking on the Volunteers, the Bruins will head off to Provo to take on a Cougar team which has designs on being the 08-09 version of Hawaii and Boise State. And this will be a statement game from them against a high profile team from the Pac-10. The advantage the Bruins might have is that they will be familiar with BYU’s offensive and defensive schemes, while BYU will have one game of film to work with to scout the new Bruin offense. Regardless, BYU will be coming in this game fired up with returning stars such as Max Hall (3,848 yards passing) and Harvey Unaga (1,227 yards). This will be another close game. However, I think the Cougars will pull this one out based on their home field advantage. I expect the Bruins to fall to 0-2 and Neuheisel haters will be coming out of the woodwork to ridicule the program.

Not too far off.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 4:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha

I see one line that’s pretty far off. Then again, we all thought we’d have more weapons going into this game than we ended up having.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeap

I thought we get a close game at BYU. But our defense had a tough day. Otherwise, I didn’t expect us to win any of those two.

Next week is going to be tough … will be interesting to see how DW scheme against Zona’s Tutitiama.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think what's most disappointing

Is that the one thing we believed we could rely on to some degree is now a huge question mark as well. Too many variables are now in play for the rest of the season to have any sort of clue as to how we’re going to do from game to game.

We were counting on an inconsistent (at best) offense. Now our offense really has to look to minimize mistakes to protect the defense, which sort of hamstrings us given that we can’t develop a running game.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

May be

this means coaches will have no choice but to go with either Dean or Franklin next weekend. Moline is not getting it done. I like the kid a lot. But we simply need more speed out there in the backfield.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

there's another word for what you're saying:

Again, it’s not that we lost, it’s how. I agree the season is not lost – but it’s a lot closer to that conclusion.

I also agree that expectations need to be kept in check, but the reality that this team both didn’t show up and quit needs to be accepted.

I ALSO agree that last year, next year and other teams or historical data don’t matter. All that matters is today and next week. We are at a crossroads now, I believe that CRN can keep us growing.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 5:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Excuses

Is the other word… having posting problems.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 5:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right and Wrong

If you believe that what happened today is a result of something that we did or did not do, then yes, these are excuses. If you believe that what happened is a result of what BYU did and didn’t do, then these are just realities that we have to accept.

I think it’s easier for Bruin fans to believe the former, because at least that way we have a chance at “fixing” it and still having a great season. The reality is some mixture of both, but I happen to think that that the ratio is skewed far more toward the latter than the former. I say this because I saw a lot of what logan_5 saw in the post below. Sure, it points to a higher probability of a lesser season by W-L standards, but as has been said many times, I do not judge this season on Wins and Losses. I want to know what this team will do NOW. If they didn’t listen to CRN say that we needed to improve greatly between UT and BYU, they’re sure as hell listening now.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 5:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally agree

Wins and losses is not the most important thing…. But I didn’t think this team, with these coaches, would be so unprepared as to not even show up or care. We’re back to pointing and frustration and hands on hips as the other team walks untouched into the endzone. Penalties and busted everything. THAT’S the reality of what happened today. It’s a problem. I personally believe CRN et. al can recover but it’s now a tall order.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 6:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Again

The UCLA basketball team quit again, again and again during Howland’s first year in Westwood. Culture change takes a while even for someone like Howland, who is the best coach in his game (IMHO).

Yet Howland had to instill that among a group of 12-15 kids. CRN is in charge of 80-90 kids. Its an enormous task. But it always was … so we need to maintain perspective instead of freaking out after one loss.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 7:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sad to say

But I know that even a coach like Howland can’t “convert” everyone. I believe that for the most part, this mentality has to be recruited. We talk about what makes a “Howland player”, and we’ve given a lot of credit to his evaluation process, and he then turns around and makes stars out of underrated players. That’s the true nature of “rebuilding” and it points to a process that’s going to take a couple of years at the bare minimum. CRN can’t say that, and he hasn’t said that, but it’s no coincidence that our stark turnaround in Year 2 of the Howland Era occurred when he was able to play his first recruiting class significant minutes as freshmen.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 7:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Matchups.

matchups. matchups. matchups.

to pull the old “have you ever played the game” bat out of bag, did you see any of the field-level cam angles today? We were towered over at almost every position on both sides of the line. We didn’t pass block, we CAN’T run block and on the times we manage to get KC a few bonus seconds… either he or the receiver doesn’t make the play.

I mean… we already have no line… then we lose Kia… then Carter… then we turn the ball over 3 times.. and unlike vs. Vols, they make us pay for every one.

Guys we were beated at every position and in every way a team can be today. They threw a FULL BATTALION of troops against a Captain, two Lieutenants, 4-Sergeants and 20 FNG’s…

You can’t put that all on Command.

by logan_5 on Sep 13, 2008 4:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Failure is not the worst thing that could happen.

Catastrophe isn’t even the worst. Let the team stew in this a bit, and let’s see how everyone (including the coaches) responds. The media is already bagging on us…. let’s see how the kids handle it. This will be the test of whether we’re on the right track or not. If the players continue to learn and improve every day on the field, then this game (and any others we might be in for) won’t matter and we can be confident about our future.

I mean hey, let’s be honest… I’ve had some SERIOUS ass-kickings in my professional life. The worst of them have been my most valuable learning experiences, because they showed me what I was capable of bouncing back from. Let’s see if CRN can teach resolve, now.

by bruinchick on Sep 13, 2008 3:55 PM PDT   0 recs

I agree...

let this loss simmer for a couple of days. A true test awaits this week as we prepare for AZ Sat

by burculian on Sep 13, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This Hurts Now Obviously

But I have faith in this coaching staff – and they’ll get back to work on Monday to try and right the ship. As an earlier poster aptly said, “Rome wasn’t built in a day.”

Just for me, the tough thing will be tonight watching those SCumbags from across town putting on a show in the Coliseum tonight against Ohio St. No doubt they’re already giddy from what happened to us today. But if they roll it up on the Buckeyes tonight it may be all too much for us to take.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 13, 2008 3:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Screw them

I’m still not taking down my flag. I’m prepared to be as defiant as I expect my team to be.

by bruinchick on Sep 13, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'M NOT TAKING MINE DOWN, EITHER!

Right on, ’chick.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 13, 2008 4:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

me neither

way to go girls!

by MoBruin95 on Sep 13, 2008 8:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ugliness, period.

and this was stomach-turning. Yeah, I know this is a rebuilding year, blah blah blah, but this kind of hit would be hard to stomach if it had been delivered by Pom poms thugs. I work with a bunch of “Y” fans and I’m dreading Monday. And, no, I didn’t talk trash all week, either. Didn’t see any of the dirty stuff that occurred last season at the RB, either, Just a thumping in every respect. ARRGHH. As the late John McKay reputedly said, after the 51-0 loss to Notre Dame, “those of you who need showers, take them.”

 It will be crucial to see what/how CRN responds to this. I’m expecting well, and constructively.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Sep 13, 2008 3:59 PM PDT   0 recs

a very tough loss

That was a beat-down on all fronts…but I’m nowhere near as disheartened as I was after last year’s debacle at Utah. With the problems we have on the O line and the number of starters lost on D, I knew we’d lose quickly-but thought we’d lose two weeks ago. So, I am not too bent out of shape over a loss on the road against a very good BYU team. I am diappointed in the way we lost, but who wouldn’t be? No D line push, linebackers beat to the outside, O line couldn’t run block or pass protect, and the turnovers, O the turnovers…

Still, as bad as it was, it’s one game in a season that we knew would be a tough one. I am confident that the staff can put it behind them and find a way to get the kids looking forward to the next one.

by ucladj89 on Sep 13, 2008 3:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Ding ding ding

This was an ugly loss but can’t compare this last year’s Utah loss given the personnel we had in our last year’s team v. what Utah had compared to BYU.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 4:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bad day for the pac10 today

On the bright side, fellow new-coached Michigan has a team hungry enough to just want to hit something, no matter how mushy, overrated, or overpaid it might be. It’s a good sign for our guys!

re: today’s performance, I have never cheered for a football team before UCLA and I never will cheer for another. Today’s performance was unacceptable against any team in the nation. I hope our guys practice and compete with a huge chip on their shoulder for the duration of the season. I don’t know if I can ever be truly relentlessly optimistic, but I’ll be watching the next game for sure. go bruins.

by jayzien on Sep 13, 2008 4:02 PM PDT   0 recs

Purdont Trying To Get Into FG Range

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 13, 2008 4:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Ohhhhh.....he hooked it wide left

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 13, 2008 4:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Way left

He kicked it from the right hashmark and didn’t account for the stiff wind.

by SuperBruinMan on Sep 13, 2008 4:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've always put this season

under the don’t get too caught up in wins and losses category.

Tennessee showed us that even with our weakenesses, we can compete against teams that aren’t particularly well coached or disciplined.

However, a disciplined team will take our weakenesses and exploit them, which BYU did.

I could comment on the way we lost, how big it was, etc, but it doesn’t really matter. We got our asses handed to us today, and if we played well we probably still would have lost handily because BYU was not going to be stupid like Tennessee was.

The Key now is to get the troops rallied, play with pride the next 10 games, hope for a .500 season, and one more thing::

ITS ALL ABOUT RECRUITING… CRN MUST HAVE STELLAR RECRUITING THE NEXT TWO SEASONS

Then we will be in a position to be excellent in 2010.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Sep 13, 2008 4:17 PM PDT   0 recs

I want a line

I hope that is CRN’s absolute #1 Top Priority. Having our pass rushes blown up and our backs breaking tackles in the backfield every time is a recipe for disaster. You can only survive on smoke and mirrors for so long.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 4:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ya think?

16 rushes, 11 yards today. A little bit worse than game 1 against a quicker defense? Big fast OL players – at least a half dozen, this recruiting season and next.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Sep 13, 2008 7:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What I would give for that

It is absolutely insane how this unit has been neglected, undercoached, and unrecruited over the past couple of years.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So far

we’ve already won one game that I had chalked up as a loss before the season, so we’re still ahead of the game in my book.

I’m not concerned.. just glad to be excited again about UCLA football, something that’s been missing for oh, say, five years.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Sep 13, 2008 4:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Now Oregon Has A Chance To Win It....

Purdue FG wide right in 2nd OT

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 13, 2008 4:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Quackeroos Win It Over Purdont

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 13, 2008 4:28 PM PDT   0 recs

It's going to be Okay

Let me start of by saying that my brother and I saw the whole game. There were times when we just wanted to turn off the T.V. and call it quits, but my brother would not let me and I would not let him, and for that I am proud and anyone who did the same good for you. Now I knew this was going to happen, not because of all the reasons Nestor said but because I Had a Dream. Now most of the time I see my dreams as just well… dreams but when I have a UCLA dream it’s a little different. Just for history, I dreamt the UCLA/ USC game the last two years and I was right. I even predicted that we were going to win by an interception late in the game. Anyhow back to my latest dream, it was an away game and I know this because I had a white jersey and the funny thing about this dream was that for some reason I was late to this game as if I didn’t "show up." I had no clue what it meant until today’s game vs. BYU. The good news I dreamt about USC and in my dream we beat USC. So here is hoping that my dreams come true. And if we do win remember me.
Go Bruins

by ovillarr13 on Sep 13, 2008 4:29 PM PDT   0 recs

I couldn't do it.

We are in the process of moving so no TV at my place. I had to leave my friend’s house at halftime… It was too painful to watch. Did I miss anything redeeming from any of our guys in the 2nd half? I did think Verner wasn’t getting a fair shake from the media in the first half. The balls his guys did catch were always perfectly thrown, perfectly in stride, and virtually no pressure on the QB. Most of those catches against him… you couldn’t have asked for much better coverage. Hall was just too accurate.

by captainqtp on Sep 13, 2008 6:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good news.

Oregon pulls it out. Both of the Oregon schools repped the Pac-10 well today.

by dproduct on Sep 13, 2008 4:30 PM PDT   0 recs

If We Truly Have

the faith in our coaching staff that most of us proclaim to have, we have to know that they will use this humiliating loss as a lesson for the whole team, both players and coaches, and then move onward and upward.

How they handle this will show everyone what kind of team we have. I believe in them, and I believe they will use this, and get better.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 13, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Good Luck

As a BYU fan, I think I’m almost as shocked as many of you by the way that this one turned out. I thought that your D-line would be able to get much more pressure on Hall, and that Craft would be able to exploit our suspect secondary. I really didn’t see it turning out into a rout like this.

There will be some rocky spots for you guys this year, considering the injuries and the new coaching, but in the long term I think you’ll be fine. I wish you the best of luck in regrouping, and may you find a miraculous way to beat down that team across town.

I’ve lurked on this site from time to time ever since our game last September, and I want to congratulate you on the classiness of the site and its commenters, and the passion and pride that you have for your team. Most sports message boards turn into juvenile drivel, but you keep it focused where it should be, and I am extremely impressed.

(And I sure don’t want to burn any bridges by trolling, just in case we meet YET AGAIN in the Vegas Bowl! :) )

by Virginiacoug on Sep 13, 2008 4:40 PM PDT   0 recs

That would be great

If only because that means we’d get to go to a bowl game. I have a feeling you guys wouldn’t be quite as happy to end up back there though.

Most people love the BCS Buster story, and I’m no exception. Hope you guys follow in the Boise State/Hawaii/(Utah?) footsteps and end up there as well.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 4:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You guys are going to be playing in a bowl game on or after 1/1/09

We will be lucky to make it to a bowl game this season.

Good luck to you rest of the season and congrats on your win.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 6:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

They beat a Washington team that stinks (and got rolled by OU) and a UCLA team that appears to be worse. In order for BYU to play after Jan 1 they have to go undefeated. Very hard to do, even in the Mountain West.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 13, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they will go undefeated

and last time I checked … UDub had Jake Locker who is pretty darn good.

drinkbruinkool – your negativity is starting to get a little annoying.

by Nestor on Sep 13, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Taking it on the chin and elsewhere

What was that?! No, Tennessee was not a fluke, but I hope today was. The back breaker was the turnover after Austin’s first long return, you could sense it. Yes, we knew it would be tough at times, but I never in my darkest dreams would I have seen that coming. CRN has a lot of work to do to overcome the game-to-game inconsistency that still seems to be haunting us from the Dorrell disaster. I just couldn’t watch after the 2nd quarter, way too painful, but will be watching next week to how our guys handle this.

by bruinblue85 on Sep 13, 2008 4:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Not all BYU fans are retarded

Hey guys. 98% of the BYU fans (or most opposing fans for that matter) taking the time to come on here and posting comments are most likely not all there in the head. As a BYU fan I remember a number of games where the ball bounced the other way. It seemed like BYU could do no wrong today and the Bruins could do ONLY wrong. Anyway—I’m embarresed by over-zealous and slightly retarded fans making stupid comments.

Harvey Unga graduated from high school in Provo only 2 years ago so no everyone is “older”

Go COUGS!!

by not all byu fans are retarded on Sep 13, 2008 4:58 PM PDT   0 recs

It's actually only one guy

Creating new accounts and posting.

by Tydides on Sep 13, 2008 5:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally,

I appreciate that comment very much, but I think this guy is not “slightly retarded.” I think people of that particular description would probably not treat other folks like that—this guy was a jerk, plain and simple.

I do not believe him to be a typical BYU fan, and I doubt that others here sincerely think he is, either. Best of luck to you for the rest of t