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A Look at Salcedo and Previous UCLA Men's Soccer Coaches

Bumped. Huge thanks to rye for this research. The data certainly raises lot of questions re. the direction of this legendary program under the current head coach. GO BRUINS. -N

N asked the question, "what is wrong with our underachieving men's soccer team" in a fanpost so I've compiled a background on head coach Jorge Salcedo and previous head coaches to see what's going on. Sorry, but I got information from a lot of different places and was in a rush so I couldn't attribute each stat to each source. The sources I used though were primarily NCAA.org and UCLABruins.com.

First, a background on Salcedo.

He got his start as a Bruins when he played for the team and even scored a decisive penalty kick in the 1990 National Title game which the Bruins won. Salcedo stayed around soccer and was the US U-17 coach in 2001 before taking a job as a Bruin assistant in 2001.

Salcedo then got the head job in 2004 and his tenure started off well as he won conference Co-Coach of the Year, the team won the conference title and was ranked #3 in the country before falling in the third round of the NCAA tournament. In his second season, 2005, the Bruins won another Pac 10 title and had the nation's best defense as they earned a #5 seed in the NCAA tournament. The team was stunned in their first match of the tournament though when they lost to SMU, an unranked team who went all the way to the title game. At this point there was concern that while a fine coach, Salcedo was not the elite coach who should be leading the Bruins because his teams folded in the tournament.

In 2006 though the Bruins overcame a tough regular season to pull out a couple dramatic wins in the NCAA tournament, including an epic comeback overtime victory at #1 Duke in the quarterfinals. The Bruins continued their run all the way to the NCAA title game where they lost to a strong UC Santa Barbara team , but it seemed as if Salcedo has overcome his tournament issue and the Bruins were back on track.

UCLA then entered last season as the nation's #1 team with all but one started returning fromt he team that advanced to the title game the previous season. The season was an unmitigated disaster though as the Bruins wen 9-9-2, struggled to make the tournament and lost in the second round.

Now the Bruins are 1-3-1 on the young season and seem destined for another disappointing season. Nobody doubts Salcedo's soccer acumen as he is a scout for the US national team and is respected around the soccer world, but is he the right man to lead the Bruins? Let's compare him to past UCLA coaches.

Former head coaches

The Bruins won their most recent national title in 2002 under the leadership of Tom Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald is one of the nation's best coaches as he built the University of Tampa into one of the nation's finest programs and won a national title there. After winning a national title in his first season with the Bruins, Fitzgerald stuck around for one more before heading back to the University of Tampa to be closer to his family.

The coach who put UCLA soccer on the map was Sigi Schmid. The iconic figure in US soccer was first a player at UCLA before become an assistant coach the year after graduating in 1977. In 1980 Schmid took the head coaching job at UCLA and by 1985 the Bruins had their first national title. Schmid followed that title with two more, one in 1990 and the other in 1997. He left the program in 1999 when he took over as the head coach of the Los Angeles Galaxy.

In between Schmid and Fitzgerald, Todd Saldana led the Bruins. In his first season, 1999, the Bruins won the conference title and went to the NCAA semifinals where they lost to eventual national champion Indiana in quadruple overtime. Saldana had decent, but not outstanding seasons the next two years before leaving the program after the 2001 season. UCLA claimed it was because Saldana received his degree from Columbia St., a "diploma mill," while others speculated it was due to consecutive mediocre seasons.

Head coach overall records (as of today, 9/15/08)

Salcedo: 50-27-13 (.627%)

Fitzgerald: 38-5-4 (.851%), 1 national title

Saldana: 43-17-4 (.703%)

Schmid: 322-63-33 (.809%), 3 national titles

Those are the facts. Schmid was an amazing success as he put the program on the map. Saldana left under suspicious circumstances and Fitzgerald won a national title and seemed to be well on his way to more before leaving to return home. The jury on Salcedo is still out. His recruiting class are always near the top of the nation and despite losing a number of players to MLS and European professional clubs, talent is never short in Westwood.

Should Salcedo be doing better? Is he doing a good job? Are you not quite sure and want some more time to evaluate him? Le'ts hear your thoughts.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Forgot that somehow. Give me 30 minutes to get home, off my phone and onto a computer and I’ll put it in. Thanks for catching that.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 15, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not good

Those numbers are not good for Salcedo.

I am assuming Bruins also had a lot of talent this season judging by our pre-season ranking?

by bluestreet on Sep 15, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for doing the research

When I was there, it always seemed like we were hyped preseason and then I wouldn’t really hear about the soccer team the rest of the quarter. This sheds a little light on that phenomenon.

by Tydides on Sep 15, 2008 6:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem is the programs recruiting attitude

The bruins recruit basically exclusively out of the ODP program and the national residency programs. WHile a good start to recruiting, the American national system is very political and essentially bypasses players who choose to pursue nonprofessional training outside of the United States. There are significant numbers of players who choose this path, as it is well known as a better developmental path for young players. UCLA should invest much more resources in local scouting, especially as Southern California has the most highly concentrated youth soccer talent in the nation

by afw on Sep 15, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think recruiting is an excuse for Salcedo's underachieving.

Our school has moved more players into MLS than another school by 20+ players . USL rosters are also full of Bruins. I don’t think talent is a problem.

I don’t know the budget for recruiting for soccer, but obviously we don’t have the funds that revenue sports have. I don’t know how feasible it is to try to recruit a kid in Europe of Latin America. I don’t believe we should recruit exclusively from the USSF developmental programs, but it should be the starting point. Political or not, the majority of quality players come from this program. I can’ t think of one current players on the USMNT that hasn’t played in at least a U-20 tournament. Next, I agree we need to step up local recruitment. Like you stated there is a huge pool of talent in Southern California. One of my favorite bruins Benny Feilhaber, played HS ball locally made the team as a walk on. Sean Franklin didn’t really bloom until he played JC ball, but I am certain if we stepped up with a scholarship he would have selected us over CSUN. If you have a local JC guy who just got called up to the U-20 team you need to check him out. If its his academics aren’t up to our standards, fine. I will except that, but to not recruit him because he is a JC guy is a mistake. We should step up our effort to identify talent locally at the HS, Club, JC and MLS development level.

by makenji on Sep 16, 2008 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SoCal is the hotbed of soccer talent.

Yes, other areas are developing a deep soccer culture, but few compare to what can be found in SoCal. During the pre-MLS days, we were the flagship program in this area, so perhaps recruiting was easy for us because talent came to us. With the departure of Schmidt, a bit of that luster has worn off and now we have to exert more energy to recruit the best talent.

I agree with makenji, recruiting from developmental programs are only a starting point. After all, those numbers are very limited. For example, Bradenton Academy’s 2008 class was only 40 boys. Also, I think the purpose of these development programs is create a talent pool for the national team, not for the college ranks.

As for Salcedo, I think that it might be more than just a recruiting issue, but I admit, I’m in no position to question his coaching skills (I haven’t even seen a game), except to examine the W-L ratio like rye had done. So I can only say that we need to wait and see. If his trend erodes over the next year, I think we need to look for a new coach.

by lunabruin on Sep 16, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget about Soccer!

Thanks Rye, Sometimes other sports get lost on Bruins Nation and we forget about how great UCLA soccer is. With US Soccer greats Brad Friedel (Currently is one of the best GK in EPL), Cobi Jones, and Joe Max-Moore along with current US soccer players Carlos Bocanegra, Eddie Lewis, Benny Feilhaber, Frankie Hejduk and most likely Marvell Wynn.

Hopefully this may point to a little more UCLA soccer coverage.

by Eastern32 on Sep 16, 2008 3:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's underachieving...and he knows it

He above anyone else knows the expectations of an elite coach. He’s from a soccer family. His father Hugo is a staple in the American soccer scene. His brother Eddie has been successful on the business side of soccer. George knows the consequences. Does he need to go, maybe…maybe even probably. But it better be done judiciously. They’re good people. And they’re good for American soccer.

by bruin 95 on Sep 17, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know I have stated this before, but

I’ll state it again. If improvement isn’t made DG needs to approach Cobi and see what his interest is in the position. He has a wealth of knowledge from playing professionally and is already well respect by his players his first year as an assistant with the Galaxy.

by makenji on Sep 17, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Cobi...

like Feilhaber, a great inspiration for walk-ons. He is an icon for UCLA, MLS and the national team. I can only imagine the impact he would have on recruiting in the SoCal area. I would love to see Cobi reunited w/ UCLA, but as HC right now? Yes, as the assistant, but I’m not convinced yet for the HC. Give me time, I might change my mind sooner rather than later.

by lunabruin on Sep 18, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was Interim HC after Gullit resigned his HC record is 0-0-1

Galaxy management pretty much panned him over for a “big name” head coach in Bruce Arena, but it looks like they would have been better off seeing what Cobi could do. Of course my opinion is very biased as I love Cobi, but I believe that he will be a coach in MLS if he wants to. I think his years of professional experience playing and being an assistant with a professional team is huge. Most collegiate coaches for soccer have zero or close to zero professional experience playing or coaching. MLS may get laughed at by soccer snobs, but the difference in the tactical play in MLS and NCAA is a big one. I think Cobi coming would be huge for the program and put us back on track. I am more worried about the fact that he most likely makes more as an assistant on the MLS than a HC on the collegiate level does and that after a few years being an assistant in MLS he will be a HC in MLS.

by makenji on Sep 18, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Followup questions for folks who follow this program on day to day basis

What were your expectations for this team heading into this season (also would love to hear your perspective on the talent level of this team).

This post and subsequent comments have been extremely helpful and will help me contextualize things even more as I keep track of this team, rest of this season.

by Nestor on Sep 18, 2008 6:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Time Will Tell

First, let me preface my comments by saying I am not making an excuses for the Bruins performance to date…But having said that, remember that this team lost three very good players in Beltran, Zizzo and Meyers. Would the results be any different to date with these three, no one will ever know.

I think the program made a big step in the hiring of Kenny Arena…Here is a coach that compliments Soto, as KA bring to UCLA, a coach with relationships outside of Southern California. Not to mention his relationship to Sarachan who most recently was the scouting director for the US Development Academy. A program of UCLA’s stature need to maintain a national recruiting presence as there are a bunch of hungry emerging programs out there ….some traditional….(St. Louis) some not so traditional (Evansville-Louisville – Cal Poly – UNM). Grimes in Cal is on a recruiting roll and getting a fair amount of so cal blue chippers (Fitzpatrick and Birnbaum) and Santa Barbara is churning through players as if they were a commodity (Rueckner – Minton?) with their international recruiting efforts (Boxall and Hedevag).

I believe UCLA will need to address the trend towards identifying international talent but more importantly identify and win the local recruiting wars by signing the best talent in So Cal. If the recruiting success in So Cal begins to wane, UCLA may very well be in trouble as UCSB/Cal Poly/Santa Clara/Cal are all very aggressive and some of these campus locations and large fan bases are very attractive to a potential recruit.

Surely though…the clock is ticking.

by OldSage on Sep 19, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In the interest of completeness

Before I give my thoughts, I have to add two items in the interest of completeness.

First, we’re unranked right now but we actually beat Santa Clara this weekend, 2-0.

Second, Tom Fitzgerald is kind of dead. Motorcycle accident in December, 2004.

Now, my thoughts: I have to think that Salcedo’s the problem. Maybe he just doesn’t understand the college game, but it’s obvious that he’s not getting enough out of the talent. I think that recruits can kind of smell that he’s underachieving and that his job is in danger. Unfortunately, in college this situation can kind of create a death spiral for a formerly high-achieving program, as recruits will avoid the school until the coach is let go. (See: Dorrell, K; Lavin, S.)

But the real difficulty lies in finding his successor. To me, this person will absolutely have to have some experience in college soccer, for a number of reasons. First, college soccer is different from almost any other iteration of the game; the clock counts up, and there are free substitutions. Whomever takes over will have to understand this.

He will also face a changing recruiting situation. As noted by a previous commenter, recruiting basically consisted of selecting from the national residency programs and ODP. So Cal is a soccer hotbed, and we have few local competitors for players. However, soccer players nowadays have more options than just going into college soccer; some turn pro at 18 or younger and play for youth development teams in MLS or abroad. It’s getting to be like college baseball, in that it’s expected that some of your recruits will never show up on campus. The new coach will have to accept that.

Insert witty signature of your own choosing here.

by Flapjacks McGurty on Sep 22, 2008 9:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

deja vu (all over again?)

I was thumbing thru this year’s soccer media guide and last year’s as well.

I detected a familar theme. Injury.

Per the media guide, in 2006, the season was compromised by key injuries.
Per the media guide, in 2007, the season was compromised by key injuries
Is the performance of the 2008 squad to be explained away by the same?

If so, perhaps an assessment as to the approach or preparation of the players leading up to competition be examined.

Is the intensity or frequency of training so much so that legs are fatigued or stressed to the extent they are suseptible to injury? Are out of season preventative training and strength regimes in place to ensure the both the frequency and severity of injury mitigated?

It just seems weird to me that each year, the team’s performance has been hampered by the injury bug. While no one can deny that the injuries don’t exist, one might argue that the yearly rhythym as to training loads might be examined to see if there doesn’t exist a systemic cause for the occurance of all that seem to be occuring, year in and year out. Or better yet, a concentration and emphasis on the preventative training methodologies available in and out of season.

Thoughts?

by OldSage on Oct 6, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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