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Spaulding Roundup: Culture Change

As Bruins get set for their next game, Rick Neuheisel and his players directly addressed the need for changing a culture that has sustained the mediocrity of this football program last five years. Given his pre-existing friendship with Karl Dorrell, CRN addressed the issue in a diplomatic way:

"I'm careful, because when you change the culture, it is as if you don't think the one before was good enough," Neuheisel said. "I'm sensitive to my friend Karl Dorrell. But we've got to get an expectation level that we're going to play to, and that doesn't happen by talk but by working toward it."

However, Brigham Harwell, who has emerged as the key leader of CRN’s first team at UCLA was lot more direct:

"Before if we lost a game like this, on the plane ride players would be joking, acting like we won," senior defensive tackle Brigham Harwell said. "After this loss, the bus ride and the plane ride, everyone was quiet."

Harwell called for a players-only meeting after Neuheisel spoke to the team Sunday night. Harwell and other seniors spoke, stressing greater commitment.

"When I was a kid watching the Bruins on TV they had great teams that played great games," Harwell said. "I think it faded away a little bit in the four years I've been here. You could sense that the players were not into it, and we were taking tough losses. This year, it's a different feeling."

If that is not a direct indictment on the prior regime, I am not sure what is. Kevin Pearson from the Press Enterprise has more on the player only meeting:

"Guys spoke up and said what was on our minds," Harwell said. "Yesterday, it was a good feeling.

"If you saw how hard we worked in the offseason, you would think we should be the best team in the country. We worked too hard. This is my senior year, and I won't let this happen again. We came too far, we have the staff, everything is supposed to be perfect.

"I am going to make sure this team won't fall off."

Harwell said that the focus now needs to be on Arizona and having a good week of practice, something that the Bruins certainly didn't do a week ago in preparation for the BYU game.

One of the ways to change the previous culture is for both coaches and players sharing responsibility when results don’t break they way. In the past we have had lot of consternation here on BN when we have seen football coaches call out our players without taking any responsibility. After the BYU game (judging from our comment threads here and elsewhere), few folks were a little uncomfortable concerning Walker’s comments on ATV’s failure to provide tight coverage on Collie. Well, it looks like folks can rest easy, because from the comments today it is clear that following the game, Walker took the Howland route of staying up to watch game films (and taking responsibility) instead of infamous KD route of "sleeping well":

When the Bruins returned from the 59-0 trouncing at BYU on Saturday night, Walker went straight to the football offices to watch film. He stayed there until 1 a.m.

Walker wasn't alone. Carter and strong safety Bret Lockett each headed straight to the film room.

"The first thing I'm going to question is the scheme, and what could I have done differently," Walker said. "As a staff, we've kind of reverted back to our first year. We've cut back on some things, because you've got a young group."

Walker added the defensive staff will get back to basics in preparation for Arizona (2-1), which is coming off a stunning 36-28 loss at New Mexico.

"You kind of get sucker-punched a little bit because no one expected (the BYU loss), but you still have to counter-punch it," Walker said. "The defensive staff is all about `What can we do to help them, even more so.' "

Needless to say that is very encouraging to hear from DW. Also wrt to the defense due to injury issues we are going to see some shuffling around in the LB core. Due to Kyle Bosworth’s injury (who has a partially torn ligament and could be out for couple of weeks), Walker could move Carter to Will LB and have red shirt freshman Steve Sloan start at Mike. The other possible combo is to have Josh Edwards at Will and keep Carter at Mike. Should be very interesting how it plays against Arizona on Saturday.

Going back to the topic of culture change, as we have said here on BN, it is unrealistic for all of us to expect this to take place within just one year. However, we can certainly expect CRN to chip away in making his players believe the program is heading towards the right direction:

Asked whether he could change that culture, Neuheisel said, "They have to buy into it. Results are the easiest way to be all in, but results aren't always guaranteed. . . . You have to believe we're on the right track and we're going to continue in that direction."

As for those who have been snickering at the "relentless positive" mantra of CRN, well he let the press core know about one of the main sources of his inspiration:

" 'Long before any championships were won at UCLA, I came to understand that losing is only temporary and not all-encompassing," Neuheisel said, reading from the letter Wooden wrote him. " 'You must simply study it, learn from it and try hard not to lose the same way again. Then you must have the self-control to forget about it.' "

So CRN is leading this program through the words of John R. Wooden. I for one cannot think of a more appropriate approach for any leader a football coach at UCLA.

GO BRUINS.

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Alright, Neuheisel and Dorrell are friends

But let’s separate friendship from the business at hand. Dorrell ran a deplorable program and left Neu with a skeleton corp or players. Yes, Neu, you CAN say the previous culture wasn’t good enough, because that is the truth. The truth will set us free.

by bluegold on Sep 16, 2008 7:56 AM PDT   0 recs

Changing the Culture

I think this is a very important post.

Not to continue “dumping” on Dorrell, but these are still his kids and many still have his mindset. And say what you will about Pete Carroll (and I think he’s a jerk myself) but his players expect to play at the highest level and win every game. Not all of our players—by their own admission—have that mindset. In other words, attitude is important.

Neuheisel simply needs time to shake things up and, as we know now, it is going to be a painful process. Too bad the Kurt Streeters of the world cannot understand this simple fact; note Streeter’s snide comment following the BYU game about UCLA not having these types of “trouncings” in mind after hiring CRN.

Spare me, Kurt. Even Dorrell was given years (not just two games) to “learn and grow.” Let’s give CRN the same courtesy.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 16, 2008 7:57 AM PDT   0 recs

Dorrell got trounced

even with teams loaded with seniors and star players. Neuheisel got trounced with less stellar players Dorrell left behind. Two entirely different scenarios.

And also, 59-0 does not mean that Dorrell’s ass should not have been canned. I would take a 59-0 trouncing every week the rest of this season and still would be glad Dorrell is gone. Because I know that UCLA football has a bright future when Neu gets his own players. There was no future under Dorrell no matter how many good players he got.

by bluegold on Sep 16, 2008 8:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I couldn't agree with you more

If this had happened last year, I would still be sick over it because with CNP at the helm, we would be sure to repeat it again. This year, I can tolerate these losses because I know these are the growing pains we must go through to get to where we need to be.

As for CRN’s comments about his predecessor, I applaud him for taking the high road and not voicing them to the public. Goodness knows his frustrations are justified, but the program is better served if he air them in private.

by bruinbabe2000 on Sep 16, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Welcome Back Barnes2JJ

I always liked your posts, but I haven’t seen them for quite some time.

by BruinsRule on Sep 16, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you

I know I’ve been AWOL (for a number of reasons—foremost among them, bringing a future Bruin into the world)—but it’s good to be back.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 16, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You know, there was was a rumor going around here

That you are actually CRN, since you disappeared around the time he got hired.

by bruinbabe2000 on Sep 16, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha!

Although I have a lot of admiration and respect for CRN, I cannot claim the title.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 16, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you very kindly

If I can figure out how to post a photo (and that’s a mighty big "if"), I can show off her sporting her UCLA “onesie.”

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 16, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Story about that

Mr. BB’s sister (a fellow alum) just had a baby girl yesterday. I told her that I would give our niece all the bears I could, but I can’t buy her anything UCLA until after Mr. BB and I have a child. I want the first UCLA baby item I buy to be for my child. After that, I will complete my niece’s brainwashing.

I plan on sending our child’s birth announcement with him or her in a UCLA onesie.

by bruinbabe2000 on Sep 16, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Birth announcement

What a great idea, BB. Wish I had thought of that. :)

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 17, 2008 5:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Welcome back Barnes2JJ

Great to see you here again man. We missed you.

by Nestor on Sep 17, 2008 4:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you, Nestor

It’s great to be back. You continue to do an outstanding job with BN.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 17, 2008 5:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Words mean nothing

Yes, it is important that we change the culture. And for the record, I believe CRN is goint to do that over time.

But to be honest, I just hate reading the quote from Brigham Harwell about how last year people joked around after losses, and now things are different. That is so cliche. I hope he believes it, and it COULD be a sign of change. But we don’t really know yet, because we hear that same crap every year, about how off season work-outs were “really tough” compared to a past year, about how things are different, about how the team has a new mindset, etc. These are just words to me now, and sadly, they mean nothing. Change should have started during the offseason, and by any account, real change would have avoided a 59-0 drubbing. Obviously, we aren’t there yet.

Real change is when we see real results—like for instance, when we stop giving up 59 points to a non-BCS conference team. I’m not saying we should have won. But, I am saying we shouldn’t have lost 59-0. It’s nice that Walker got into the film room. But this same kind of loss happened last year against Utah—and NOTHING HAS CHANGED yet on the field. Sorry Talker Walker, you can’t say “Late night film sesssion” and expect some kind of “free pass” at this point. Particularly after a game when you knew exactly what was coming, and could not prepare the team. Late night film sessions are more valuable BEFORE games.

We have to change the culture, and I hope that is happening. But I wish the team would save us the “we’ve changed” quotes. We’ve been there, done that, and seeing is believing.

by rfirpo on Sep 16, 2008 8:22 AM PDT   0 recs

This year they do

because the team simply isn’t good enough to produce the type of results we’d like to see on the field. I definitely agree that 59-0 is far worse than we should have played. However, this is not the same kind of loss that occurred against Utah. They were both embarrassing, but the difference is that we were a ranked team that should have easily made it to the Cal game undefeated. Instead, the coaching staff allowed the team to lose to Utah and be Notre Dame’s first win- at the Rose Bowl. This year we have too many inexperienced players to play at that same level, and BYU is a ranked team featuring far more talent than UCLA, as unfortunate as that is.

The point I’m trying to make here is that this year, we should be 0-2, but we’re 1-1 thanks to great coaching. Last year, we should have been 3-0, but we were 2-1 because of Dorrell’s inability to coach the team properly. So, to hear that the players are getting the message that what was expected before just isn’t good enough is very good news to me.

by truebruin on Sep 16, 2008 9:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no patience

for your impatience.

If you do not understand how different this team is from last year’s team, you simply have had your head in the sand for the last few years.

And this is NOT the same kind of loss as last year against Utah. That team was a HEAVY favorite going into a game against a team missing its best players. This team was a BIG underdog going into a game against a team many predict to go undefeated and play in a BCS bowl. If you don’t get this, you are missing the point.

by tasser10 on Sep 16, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed Tasser

and I think people need to lay off the Walker bashing. He is a great coach and works very hard and is doing the best he can with what he has to work with. How quickly people forget what he did to $c in 2006 and many other big games. Give him a chance and be PATIENT with this team and staff. They need time…

GO BRUINS!!!

by uclafan11 on Sep 16, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Practice quote

“…something that the Bruins certainly didn’t do a week ago in preparation for the BYU game.” Is it Pearson who is saying it or Harwell?

In either case, I am sick of hearing how we are not focused in practice. The slightest bit of success has our team reading our own clippings and impressed with ourselves. This dates back to when Toledo was coach. Enough already! You NEVER hear of this kind of lack of focus under Howland.

To change the football program this seriously needs to be the first thing addressed. You have to earn it EVERY single week out there and make them count, because you don’t get that many chances.

by Free the 16 on Sep 16, 2008 9:44 AM PDT   0 recs

Short memory

“You NEVER hear of this kind of lack of focus under Howland.”

I recall hearing quotes like that a lot in Howland’s first year when the team was getting embarrassed on a routine basis. That team eventually quit on Howland ending the season in a long losing streak. Don’t revise history.

by bluestreet on Sep 16, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Move Forward

I tell all my employess and co-workers. learn from the mistake, try not to repeat them and move forward. It is too easy to get caught up in the “Woe is me/us” routine. Neu needs to continue to be “relentlessy positive”, it is the only attitude he and the team should have.

As far as I am concerned we are on track for an 11-1 season, until proven otherwise. If we lose the next game then I believe we will be on track for 10-2. and so on.

I survived 5 yrs of CTS and still kept my season tickets because I always believed it would get better. Compared to that, the BYU game was a little speed bump.

Move forward.

by artybruin on Sep 16, 2008 11:13 AM PDT   0 recs

Accidentially put this is the last thread

But wanted to put it here:

VERY NICE…

At least we can put the argument about whether the team quit aside… they did and they admitted it. That’s most important, they accept and realize that it’s not okay to quit or pretend that it’s not that big a deal. In other words, NO EXCUSES! And yes, this is a clear indictment of the previous coaching staff with the revelation that losses were basically treated as non events and joked about. (This is the stuff I got RAILED on for saying the last few seasons… BaldEagle, I’m waiting for my apology!)

I also want to clarify that when I say this loss was an absolute worse case situation and the last thing CRN wanted to happen, I’m talking about in the context of this season, not the grand plan for UCLA football. Obviously CRN and the others are on a 2-3ish year situation and are concentrating on recruiting which is the primary concern with culture. But for this season, one in which we’re hoping to get as much positive growth and building, we are now placed at a crossroads. We could have some good games and wins and a positive campaign to build on, or we could be in serious trouble at the core and in many ways another season behind in the process of rebuilding. As I said before, get rid of everything: the towel waiver, the carpet in the locker room, the pens. This is why.

Personally I believe CRN will lead us across the river into the promised land, but as we’ve now seen, as nice as he is to KD, he also is realizing that he was left in an even worse situation than he imagined.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 16, 2008 11:48 AM PDT   0 recs

No Aside

I neither see nor hear any quitting, or “admission” thereof.

They were overmatched and outplayed. They lost, badly.

Maybe you are reading a direct quote I have not seen. “Quit” isn’t in evidence.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 16, 2008 1:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...

“When I was a kid watching the Bruins on TV they had great teams that played great games,” Harwell said. “I think it faded away a little bit in the four years I’ve been here. You could sense that the players were not into it, and we were taking tough losses. This year, it’s a different feeling.” (The same “not that into it” during the game, but different feelings after…)

Do you need to read the specific words “We quit” or is “not that into it” enough?

And did you see the game? Ohio State was outmatched and outplayed, lost to a better team but played as hard as they could deep into the 4th quarter. What happened in Provo was something else entirely.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 16, 2008 2:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

May be you were watching different game

I didn’t see our kids “quit.” I didn’t see Rahim Moore quitting when he came out of the first half down 0-49.

I didn’t see Craft quitting. I didn’t see Reggie Carter quitting either.

You are whining a little too much.

by bluestreet on Sep 16, 2008 2:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

That’s not what he’s saying at all. “You could sense…” “This year, it’s a different feeling.” He’s talking about comparing this year to previous years.

You are reaching to make this young man’s quote fit the opinion you have and which you were already expressing during the game, on the thread. I mean, you’re entitled to hold that opinion, of course, but you’re not so much entitled to spin someone else’s quote into a determination that it setlles the issue your way and no further discussion is merited.

And yes, I saw the game. The whole game.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 16, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WOW is all I can say too

HELLO! Like you say Bruingirl – Harwell is so CLEARLY pointing to previous years in the quote. How can someone not understand that?

by uclafan11 on Sep 16, 2008 3:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I, For One,

believe him.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 16, 2008 3:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Whatever

I don’t really care to tell you the truth, the proof was all over the field AND THE SCOREBOARD. And maybe you’re right and it wasn’t quit, it was just giving up half way through the first quarter. I really only care that they accept it, learn from it, change the culture and don’t do it again. And if the fact that they didn’t head to the locker room is proof to you that they didn’t bag it, that’s really good for you, it should make this season much easier to deal with.

Also, if you’re naive enough to think that someone is going to go to the media and say “we quit”, good for you. You will never think anyone quit. A team could lose 109 – 0 and they’re still going to say to the media “how hard they fought!” I was honestly shocked and pleased to see that candor from Harwell because it’s about as close to “we quit” as anyone is like to say 99.999 percent of the time. And that candor is key to recovery.

by drinkbruinKool-Aid on Sep 16, 2008 6:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I Am Many Things

but, alas, not naive.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 16, 2008 7:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There was NO quitting...

What happened on Saturday was a misalignment of the stars. We were a very injured and over-matched team that also suffered from bad breaks. It was turnovers that created such a HUGE deficit so quickly. And those turnovers were NOT for a lack of effort. If anything, it was inexperienced players, many playing in their first road game ever, experiencing a snowball effect of poor circumstances. If this team was guilty of anything, it was TRYING TOO HARD, definitely NOT quitting.

GO BRUINS!

by rgalloucla on Sep 16, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Drink, one question

When exactly did they quit? Was it before the opening kickoff? After the first score? I didn’t get to see the game (which I suppose is a good thing, all things considered), but I would like the benefit of your insight. Which specific players quit? How could you tell, on a player by player basis, when and how they quit? I have heard some descriptions of guys really looking like they were busting their rear ends, so did these guys quit, or are they just good at faking the “non-quit” look?

These are all legitimate questions, I think. You have made your point in detail and defended it at length here and elsewhere. I am looking for the specific facts that lead to the irrefutable conclusion that these guys “quit.”

I would probably be helpful to define “quit.” Is it getting beat by a lot? We had as many wins last weekend as, for example, Ohio State. Does the fact that they got beat mean they quit? Help us out her, Drink. You profess to have insights that many others don’t have, so give us some specific facts to support your position. Alternatively, you could keep quiet and move on, knowing that your point has certainly been asserted if not made.

by Fox 71 on Sep 17, 2008 5:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bottom line

Rhetoric is rhetoric and game plans come and go but nothing is more important than the following: out of the seven major divisions of the roster( DL, LB, DB, OL, RB, QB, Rec) The 2008 team has two good, one average, and 4 mediocre/piss poor groups. The receivers are pretty good and deep and the DL with Price and Harwell is very good but…lets face it, outside of one or maybe two LBs and 1 DB, the team is flat out bad relative to its competition

Great coaching staffs with poor rosters always pull off a few upsets but usually lose more than they win and get crushed a few times when weak players play below their medicore ability.

If the OL produces only 20yds rushing per game, WSU is probably the only team we should expect to beat. Come on, 20 yds rushing/game and a 3rd string QB in his first year in the program? Be very grateful for every win this season and hang your hat on future recruiting classes. The talent is not here yet.

by bruinforlife on Sep 16, 2008 1:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Well, I didn't see any quitting

against BYU. I did see fatigue towards the end in a defense which had been on the field far too long. As for Walker, I have seen his defenses perform triumphantly on one occasion, and give up yards in great gobs the next (think WSU, for one). Some have suggested that he is masterful against pro-set offenses and ineffective against contemporary spreads. I understand the comment, but I don’t see why it should be true. Against BYU this year, it looked to me like we were mostly a day late and a dollar short — in other words, we couldn’t play at their speed. Also, we had no pass rush. But I think all this can be improved with time, focused practice and game experience. I think that the culture change has already begun. No doubt this will be a rough year and we will all have to feel frustration on many occasions, but I think we will have some good moments, too. So I am looking forward to this Saturday and every Saturday, no matter what.

by ReineSeite on Sep 16, 2008 5:47 PM PDT   0 recs

Funny that this is a post

I’m sure like many of you, last Saturday night I decided to go drown my sorrows by cruising the typical Westwood apartment scene. My line of thinking brought me to the conclusion that a nice cold plastic cup of free Miller High Life would get my mind of UCLA’s display of 2-3 star recruited mediocre talent.

No sooner had I finished pouring my first cup and this Landfair apartment did I look up to see an incredible sight. None other than Chase Moline, John Hale, and Chane Moline stood before me, partying it up at midnight like the rest of us.

Now I’m sure many of you will reply, “well what else are they supposed to be doing?” While this is true, my first guess would be that they should probably be at home, asleep getting ready for a week of practice after embarrassing a proud athletic institution. But no, these fine examples of athletic prowess stood there, arrogantly, drinking at this apartment.

It’s not like we lost 28-21, or even 35-14. We lost 59-0. And these were guys that had significant playing time. To me this just showed a lack of though, and even respect for our school.

This post is exactly what I wanted to read, and it rings so true. The culture surrounding UCLA football, and one that has existed for several years is simply pathetic. Having grown up obsessed with names like J.J. Stokes, Skip Hicks, Danny Farmer, Cade McNown, Freddie Mitchell, and DeShaun Foster, I feel cheated from a quality football experience at UCLA (minus the aberrations of a 10-2 freshman year and 13-9).

To end on a positive note, I am glad to read that people like Bret Lockett and Brigham Harwell show actual dedication and the desire to improve. Under Rick Neuheisel, I know that this culture that has permeated UCLA Football will disappear and be replaced with one centered on hard work.

by inhowlandwetrust on Sep 16, 2008 6:56 PM PDT   0 recs

In the same class

and I also feel cheated out of a quality football experience. I’m just glad that I won’t be spending my senior year listening to Dorrell blame his players or the circumstances for absurd losses. However, I think that the basketball experience for the last three years has made up for the lack of quality football. How many people can say that their school went to the final four in their first three years at school? Besides, it looks like we’ll have some great football games to go to as alumni.

by truebruin on Sep 16, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not sure that they quit,

but i hope they did. Getting shutout by a team that struggled to beat a horrible huskies team the week prior is an embarrassment. Most LA area high school teams could have put up a better fight. Score woulda been 80+ to 0 if BYU didn’t call off the attack early in the 3rd. Frankly, i think it’s pretty much unacceptable as a BCS school, injuries or bad recruits or whatever, to get absolutely smoked by a team that doesn’t exactly have a ton of great athletes. At least put up a field goal. UW --who is just as young and inexperienced and plagued with injuries as we (if not moreso)— put up 14 against a waaaay better OU team, and actually gave BYU a fight. I do think we had a bunch of bad luck in this game that got things out of control way too quickly, so just like i can’t give the staff too much credit for the tennessee win (thank Fulmer’s ineptidute), i can’t condemn them for this loss. It’s gonna take time and it’s gonna be a long year. in the end, Neu and his staff should expect to be held to the same standard dorrell was.

I can’t read too much into Harwell’s quote… if he’s implying that last year’s guys quit… maybe they did. but they didn’t have the coaching leadership these guys have… and regardless of the score, i saw Davis at least getting pressure on the opposing QB every game.

by seattlebruin17 on Sep 16, 2008 7:16 PM PDT   0 recs

It is absurd

to compare this team to last year’s team in terms of personnel. For you to do so shows that you haven’t been paying attention. Not a good way to make your first comment on BN.

by Nestor on Sep 17, 2008 4:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

funny...

i wasn’t the one making the comparison. merely – and indirectly – responded to people who posted above “reading” into some quote probably taken out of context. maybe you should read the posts above and my comment, saying i don’t read much into harwell’s quote and my acknowledgement of different personnel and staff. i’m more informed than you think, and at the same time have learned to stop drinking the kool aid, regardless of who’s selling it. it’s called reality. time to move on anyways.

by seattlebruin17 on Sep 17, 2008 1:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The thing about BYU

is that although they are a MWC team, they get better players than other non-BCS schools. The fact that they are a religious institution gives them an advantage in recruiting over say San Diego St.

by lil eg not cs on Sep 17, 2008 2:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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