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SuC trying to weasel out of OJ Payo gate by pointing fingers at NCAA

Looks like SuC is trying to weasel out of the Mayogate by pointing the fingers at the NCAA:

When allegations surfaced this year that USC basketball star O.J. Mayo had received improper benefits from a sports agency funneled through close advisors, the university pointed to its own scrutiny of Mayo and said an NCAA "investigation" had deemed him eligible.

Now, with two sources confirming that an NCAA representative met with Mayo and advisor Rodney Guillory for several hours before certifying the player's eligibility for the 2007-08 school year, there is national focus on how that NCAA pre-screening process could affect USC's possible culpability in the Mayo scandal.

USC Athletic Director Mike Garrett and men's basketball Coach Tim Floyd declined to comment, but university officials have privately expressed frustrations about the severity of any looming discipline the NCAA or Pacific 10 Conference may deliver the Trojans in light of the NCAA screening of Mayo.

Get it? SuC officials had no responsibility in signing a tainted athlete, who everyone knew had some baggage before magically showing up at South Central. According to SuC officials they couldn’t have foreseen this scandal even after having pre-existing relationship with shady Guillory.

An area of concern might be Guillory's prior connections to former USC player Jeff Trepagnier and ex-Fresno State star Tito Maddox, who were disciplined for accepting benefits from aspiring Las Vegas agents. It is not known if the NCAA asked Guillory about those ties.

The NCAA could penalize USC for a lack of institutional control in the Mayo case.

What SuC is trying to is to get away with minimum damage out of a scandal that would have brought other programs down. They are pointing their fingers at the NCAA, hoping to get away with minor slap in the wrist

Richard A. Johanningmeier, NCAA associate director of enforcement, participated in the pre-enrollment screening of Mayo and current investigation, said a USC source who was forbidden from speaking on the record about the Mayo case.

"We handle it on a case-by-case basis," Osburn said. "So, our threshold for institutions is: Did they know or should they have known? Do they have the processes in place to catch violations?"

Michael Glazier, a former member of the NCAA enforcement staff who heads a Kansas law firm's collegiate sports practice group, said the NCAA review of an athlete "doesn't alleviate an institution's responsibility to analyze the background of the recruit . . . and to examine any warning signs that may emerge in a diligent, comprehensive manner."

He said that if USC met that responsibility, he thought the NCAA would not impose severe penalties, such as a postseason tournament ban or scholarship limitations. But Glazier added that he thought lesser penalties such as stripping USC of victories and forcing it to return money from the NCAA tournament were "close to automatic."

Getting paid $30,000 to play at SuC and all they are hoping to get away with is just returning money from their “one and done” and forfeit victories from a mediocre 20 win season.

Shameless cheaters.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Shameless indeed

It’s not their fault they signed someone they knew had baggage. Yeah, right.

by gilbert on Sep 17, 2008 10:10 AM PDT   0 recs

Shady bunch

If you read the entire article you will notice the names of other schools who are showing “empathy” for SuC’s basketball program: Kansas State and Memphis.

Is there a pattern here? Nah, I am sure the cowards running the NCAA can’t see it.

by bluestreet on Sep 17, 2008 11:08 AM PDT   0 recs

the NCAA is a joke

and a really bad one at that.

It’s too bad the court of public opinion can’t weigh in on this, SUC would have been handed the death penalty years ago on Bush-Gate alone.

The NCAA (No Cheaters Accused Anytime) will continue to bury it’s head in the sand until this goes away.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Sep 17, 2008 12:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Poor U$C

always being hassled by the NCAA.

by deepdish on Sep 17, 2008 12:43 PM PDT   0 recs

NCAA Pre-Screening "Investigation" Sounds Bogus

From the way it read in the paper, it sounds like they met with Mayo and Guillory and asked if any money changed hands and then explained to them that NCAA rules prohibit the taking of money. Of course the player and his street agent will deny that any money changed hands! I wonder if the NCAA has ever declared anyone ineligible based on one of these “investigations”? This sounds like a smokescreen designed to give plausible deniability to schools like SC that take players like Mayo.

by bruin7982 on Sep 17, 2008 1:49 PM PDT   0 recs

Potential Violations Will Effect Our Revenue?

If SC has to pay back the NCAA tourney qualifying bonus it may end up costing the whole Pac-10. IIRC the bonus for making the NCAA tourney back in the 90’s was $250,000 per qualifying school. I’m sure it’s higher now.

In the Pac-10 they split postseason money equally (Bowl games, tourney bonuses, TV revenue). Pulling SC’s bonus would just penalize the Pac-10 in general.

My idea for punishment would be to swap USC for Gonzaga in the Pac-10 for basketball for 2 years. With this punishment SC can still think they are winning legitimate basketball games and we get two more excellent games on our schedule.

by alcor805 on Sep 17, 2008 1:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Floyd??

I’m wondering if he and Tark are related??? LOL

by artybruin on Sep 17, 2008 3:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Honestly

I have to question the resolve of the NCAA as a institution dedicated to whatever it is it is dedicated to. First they jump through hoops to protect USC to the detriment of their credibility and then they have to endure being blamed for the whole debacle by USC. If the NCAA were a person, they would be quite pathetic: A real get sand kicked in their face type of guy.

People from USC don’t even care about the NCAA. They believe that SC makes enough money for all of college sports and they are therefore above reproach. This isn’t true and sounds an awful lot like the famous “connections” that are supposed to make the SC grad feel better about getting fleeced by an academically inferior university.

So I feel sorry for the NCAA. They are getting abused by the school which they have lost all credibility to protect. Serves them right.

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 18, 2008 10:41 PM PDT   0 recs

Bruins102, I feel I must correct some parts of your post

First of all, I don’t think you should capitalize “ncaa.” UCLA is capitalized. I don’t want “ncaa” to be using the same alphabet, but I suppose there’s nothing that can stop that. But UCLA is capitalized, and capital letters should not be wasted on institutions which haven’t earned the right to be capitalized.

And your use of capital letters by that alleged institution across town is troubling. First of all, I believe the full name is “justsc.” As in, “Sure they cheat, and they pay their players, but then that’s justsc.” As an institution, they may become qualified to be referred to in capital letters if (a) they actually become a four-year school, and (b) if the myopia which is their alleged oversight of their athletic department is ever cured. (Actually, I believe “oversight” is probably the most accurate word for that group. “Oh, I didn’t notice what bu$h and Jarrett were doing. Well, it was just an oversight.”) Capital letters in connection with that place are reserved for emphasis, as in “trOJan” or “SCandal.”

Please correct and re-submit your post. Next week we will have a lesson on the care and use of the apostrophe. Thank you for your attention.

by Fox 71 on Sep 19, 2008 8:22 AM PDT   0 recs

That's some good stuff Fox

Thanks for the chuckle, I need it after last week.

I agree with most of what you said about capitalization. However, I have been making an attempt to be not as mean as I have been towards the school. This is different from the football team, which is the focus of much of my ire. There are certain points when you cannot help but place the school in a bad light because of its willingness to tolerate such a football program. And the SUC fans themselves, when are they going to stop making excuses.

This all leads to the question: When is the school rightly to blame for what the football team does?

You know what that latest scandal can be boiled down to? Get this: the criminal football player was partying for a buddy that was being deployed to Iraq. Things got out of hand, cops called, someone got tazered, and this asshole player gets a felony resisting charge. Of course this is excusable because he was asked to leave and did not. Excuses 1) He was going to stay the night, and 2) His driver’s license was suspended (moved up to the $C limo treatment). The standard dumbshit SC fan finds these excuses adequate. He either drove on a suspended license or got a ride. Either way, he could leave in his car the same why he got their or get the ride to pick him up. Sounds like a manufactured story to me.

Something even more glaring doesn’t add up as well. How does one pick up FELONY resisting arrest while at a party for a soldier leaving for Iraq? It must have been way out of hand because my bet is that the cops would rather not touch this but they had to. OR you could could believe, like most $C fans, that the cops are out to get the players. In other words its the police officers fault. A lovely sentiment from fans of a school that “owns” the police. Poppycock plain and simple.

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 19, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Way back in law school ...

You know that this is going to be a parable. My first year of law school was basically the same as everyone else’s, I’m sure. We had one prof trying to teach us what was really happening out there, and how you could often see what was happening in a case if you knew how to read between the lines of appellate decisions. Anyway, there was a case in Crim Law where we discussed the usual stuff, and then the prof stumped us with a question we couldn’t possibly answer as first year students. The case was about some guy who got picked up on an offense we had never heard of and was prosecuted relentlessly. The question from the prof was “Why was this guy arrested in the first place? He was not really doing anything wrong?” We all feverishly read and re-read the case (and as first year students we had read and re-read all the cases the night before anyway. But none of us could find the answer. The answer to the professor’s question (and I’ll name names – he was Professor John Roche of the USD School of Law – a great man and a great prof) is also the answer to the question of why this model student from justsc was arrested while he was working on his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, and it is the same reason why he got hit with a felony. He flunked the attitude test. I didn’t have to be there to know what his attitude had to have been to the arresting officers and I didn’t have to be there to know what was going through the ADA’s mind when he drew up the charges. The guy flunked the attitude test big time. I assume he guessed that these were typical cops who were owned by justsc. He could have flunked the attitude test big time by pointing out how in fact justsc did own the LAPD.

The game is not over, though. Cheatie Petie has great special teams (in this context, a bail bonding team, a legal team, a PR team and a payoff team.) My bet is that the felony charge will be reduced to a misdemeanor charge within a week, and then it will be dismissed in the interests of justice. Oh, yeah, and another Supervising Attorney gets a nice pair of 50 yard line season tickets, right in the middle of all the other District Attorneys who were paid off previously.

by Fox 71 on Sep 19, 2008 8:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fox

You should stop before you destroy all the regular people’s illusion of what the law is. More to the point though, what you speak is the truth.

I have a more rhetorical question: How many excuses must you be forced to render before you start to feel the cancer of hypocrisy growing throughout your body? For example, How many times can you defend, say Pres. Clinton, so many times before you, deep down inside, have to accept the fact that “hey there might be truth in all of these allegations.” I say this as an admirer of Clinton: You have accept the fact that he’s probably a bit of a horn-dog.

Ultimately we are talking about an institution for higher learning. When are the more reasonable heads going to say enough is enough? I honestly believe that there are some there that should speak up or at least have the character to speak up. Probably wishful thinking on my part.

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 19, 2008 10:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is not a light topic.

The California law business (or at least the personal injury business which I was in for several lifetimes) has always been cutting edge. The phrase “cutting edge” means different things depending on what side you’re on. I was a civil defense lawyer most of my life. That means defending against “cutting edge” stuff designed to separate insurance companies from their money. One big early case for me was on behalf of American Airlines. Mrs. Borer was hurt when a light fell out of the ceiling at an airport and hit her. She had her own injuries as would be expected. Her husband sued for loss of consortium, which was expected after Rodgiguez v. Bethlehem Steel. Then her nine kids sued saying that mom had been turned from a nice lady into a harpy because of the pain she was suffering, and this change in mom’s persona caused damages to the kids. That was cutting edge. (That was Borer v. American Airlines.) I won that one. Who would have been hurt had I lost that one? The immediate payment would have been from American’s insurer. But there is a reason why everything has a warning label on it. There is a cost built into everything that any of us buys that pays for cutting edge lawsuits.

Once in a while, people in authority do say enough. Once upon a time there was a statute called Business & Professions Code section 17200, which defined Unfair Business Practices or Unfair Competition. It was a very widely drawn statute. Three enterprising young men (who were basically rookies, the significance of which I’ll mention below) had the enterprising, cutting edge idea of using B&P 17200 go after every business who did even the slightest thing wrong, calling it an unfair business practice. Your local strip mall “Happy Nails” is supposed to throw away bottles of nail polish after they use them once. These three enterprising, cutting edge rookies would then write to each of these stores, point out how each of those violations would generate a $100 fine, point out how every day there was $1000 in fines generated, so for a year they were looking at $365,000. But today and today only, they would settle that case for $500. This was the Trevor Law Group, not a couple of guys named Vinnie and Guido. Eventually, the Bar said enough was enough and threw the guys to the lions. They were prosecuted and disbarred.

But why did the California governing body of lawyers say enough is enough, and put its legislative and judicial feet down? The guys were rookies. They were a little heavy handed. They went after mom and pop stores mainly (like the Washington DC judge who sued the mom and pop cleaners for $18 billion or whatever it was.). But most of all, they were not thoroughly into the club. Cutting edge club, that is. They weren’t “respected” as great trial lawyers, who separate insurance companies from huge amounts of money, are respected. The grown-ups could and did push fact patterns that are ten times sillier than what the Trevor Law Group pushed. They could and did ask for ten times more money than the Trevor Law Group guys did on similar facts. But they’re Pete Carroll-esque lawyers. They are solidly in the club.

One more anecdote before the punch line. Like most everyone else, I worked as an Arbitrator and Settlement Officer from time to time. I had one case where a lawyer from the Auto Club came in and described plaintiff’’s case as “soft fraud,” He described “soft fraud” as an auto accident which really happened, but with an attorney pushing damages which just didn’t exist. No discernable property damage, but a claim of aggravated whiplash, requiring 11 months of constant chiropractic service and $10,000 in medical bills, generating a demand for the full $100,000 policy limits. That kind of “soft fraud” is tolerated in the law business in terms of damages, as long as the attorney pushing it is even close to being in the club. And it’s not like the accident didn’t happen, because it did. But those in the club, both plaintiff’s attorneys and defense attorneys, are just supposed to look the other way at soft fraud. That Auto Club lawyer is probably a member of the BN, because his approach was flawless.

Fraud is fraud, whether it’s soft fraud or Trevor Law Group fraud. If something is wrong when a non-club member rookie lawyer pushes it, it’s wrong when a charter member of the club pushes it. justsc is solidly in the club, and justsc has been practicing “soft fraud” so long that no one even notices their Trevor Law Group infractions any more. Judges and juries let “soft fraud” damage allegations go, and don’t seem to be too concerned. It takes a Trevor Law Group situation before anything happens. When the Trevor Law Group punishment came out, there was no lamenting or gnashing of teeth at how the cutting edge lawyers would be chilled from zealous advocacy, etc. But no one cares about soft fraud when it’s committed by anyone, from Pasadena Community College to justsc. It’s still fraud. It still is a violation of B & P Code section 17200, because it places the cheater at an advantage. But just as the personal injury giants in Southern California can do no wrong, the football giants can do no wrong because they are in the club and their excesses become the norm.

I personally think that bu$hgate is Trevor Law Group in stature. The ncaa thinks its at most soft fraud.

How do we get people to take notice? The Trevor Law Group got nailed by public outrage. It’s time to get people outraged about the constant soft fraud at justsc and what appears to me to be institutional Trevor Law Group behavior.

End of lecture.

by Fox 71 on Sep 20, 2008 6:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now there is

a real teachable moment.

That was a very interesting read. I’m going to read the decision for the case you spoke of. Thanks for the wisdom Fox.

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 21, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This Is A Classic Defensive Posture

“We relied entirely upon (enter name of government, quasi-government or regulating agency here) to root out any negative information, even though we knew about it the entire time, and it continued and worsened right under our very noses. Therefore, it is hardly our respondibilty that they didn’t know what was going on, you know, right here. In fact, it’s all their fault that we’re in this mess and we’re thinking about suing them.”

Floyd to the NCAA, on Guillory’s consistent presence in and around his team and office, “Whaaaat? Hey, I thought he was with you guys!”

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 19, 2008 12:12 PM PDT   0 recs

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