Dohn Trashes Dorrell, Dorrell's Recruits, Two Years Too Late
by Nestor on Sep 20, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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Dohn provided some specific answers to the talent related questions on our roster this weekend.
He responded how UCLA doesn't have talent to put together competitive practices:
Let me start by saying I hate USC and am a huge bruin fan. I've heard and read that SC practices are 100% hard hitting and very competitive (the games are easy for them)..i think that reflects well on how they perform in games. Do you think UCLA is to worried about injuries to practice like SC or is it just that our starters are secure in there jobs?
I think it is neither. I think USC has much better players, and that allows them to practice harder and faster. Job security isn't the issue. Talent is the issue.Do you think our practices are not as competitive compared to other top programs?
I don't know first-hand because I don't go to watch other program's practice, but folks (like scouts and coaches) that go to other practices say UCLA lacks the overall talent to have highly competitive practices.
On how UCLA doesn't have Pac-10 level talent in its roster:
In terms of just numbers , UCLA Football has 85 scholarship players on it's roster . Of those 85 players how many in your opinion, do not belong on a Pac-10 roster?
On a Pac-10 roster? At least 15 players. At a school that wants to be a top player in the conference, at least 30.On how previous coaching staff couldn't evaluate talent:
Has UCLA ever considered dropping the program? It just seems like the adminstration won't give the staff the tools to go out and recruit the players it needs to compete in the Mountain West, much less the Pac-10?
The staff has the tools to compete in the Mountain West, but had a coaching staff for too many of the last five years that could not evaluate talent, so wound up with a team that can't beat the best teams of the Mountain West.
On who cratered this program during last five years:
Wasn't Toledo really the one who "cratered" the program? 4-7 in 99, 6-6 in 2000, horrible collapse down the stretch in 2001 (incl 27 zip), and then got PUNKED by CU, sc and WSU in 2002. Dorrell just couldn't dig out from under the wreckage.
Toledo did not leave the program in very good shape, but the overall talent level was superior to what it is now. Dorrell didn't just fail to dig out from under the wreckage, he piled more on.
While it is good to see Dohn being honest with his readers, the question is what took him so long to reach those conclusions?
The damage has already been done and it will take years for CRN and his coaches to rebuild the program from its total destruction during this decade decade.
GO BRUINS.
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Not that it matters ...
but he wanted to retain CTS, and railed against us and DumpDorrell.
When we said the very same things he’s now espousing, we were “haters” and nattering nabobs of negativism.
Sorry, even a blind pig finds an acorn, sometime. Duh is a blind pig.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Sep 20, 2008 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dohn wanted to keep Dorrell for access
It was never about X’s and O’s. Dorrell was probably good to him with interviews and quotes.
That’s why too many reporters like bad coaches — access and the status quo. Not because they’re good.
by gilbert on Sep 20, 2008 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's stuff like this that prompted me to ask Nestor for a moratorium on Doh!
Is Doh!’s great revelation that CTS was a lousy coach supposed to be news? More to the moratorium point, did we need to have a quote from Doh! to conclude that CTS was a lousy coach?
I really, truly think we should find a way to spread news about UCLA without quoting Doh!. He absolutely positively adds nothing to the mix. I wonder what his next scoop is going to be. Probably something about how Coach Howland is pretty good.
I vote again for a moratorium on quotes from Doh! or links to Doh!. The more that he is quoted, the more he is perceived as being an actual journalist, which he doesn’t seem to be to me.
by Fox 71 on Sep 20, 2008 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i visit his blog quite often
say what you want about his opinions, but he provides a lot of good info on recruits, injuries, quotes from coaches, etc. just cause i dont agree with things he writes, doesnt mean he’s incompetent.
by brewin05 on Sep 21, 2008 1:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Accuracy?
The line between “opinion” and “good info” is very thin.
If he is not accurate in one area, there is no reason to believe his is accurate in another.
I have no problem with those who read him or quote him here — but I do question how they can rely on anything he says.
And, I’ll not forget the terrible things he said about this site, Dump Dorrell, and some of the people who led us from CTS to CRN.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Sep 21, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Non sequitur, Brewin05
Just because you don’t agree with what he writes doesn’t mean he’s competent either. Going back about a year and a half or two, Doh! has demonstrated a long history of inaccurate reporting. I suppose it’s possible to have a wrong opinion (“in my opinion, the Bruins beat Arizona”) but generally an opinion is so personal that it can’t be right or wrong (“in my opinion, Dance Team member A is prettier than Dance Team member B.”) Doh! writes things as fact. He purports to have great sources of information, but many of his factual assertions (assertions of fact, versus assertions of opinion) are unprovable because his sources are totally anonymous (and in my opinion non-existent.) Many of his assertions of fact ultimately prove to be utterly incorrect.
His inaccuracy in the provable suggests to me that his assertions of fact about things unprovable are equally bad.
In my opinion, there are enough other sources of information available that I see no need to waste my limited time on this planet reading either what he says, or the guys on the radio on Saturday morning who will give out absolute locks on betting, or three wealthy and influential alumni, or the trOJan who writes about Bruin things.
I still request a moratorium on references to Doh!
by Fox 71 on Sep 21, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our program reminds me of UCLA hoops
when Howland took over. That first year was hard to take. But watching us struggle really hammered home how far we had fallen. Then we got a recruit or two. And we improved. Then a year ahead of my schedule, UCLA v Gonzaga happened.
I’m hoping for similar from our coaches. Go Bruins. What’s a little football adversity between friends?
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Sep 21, 2008 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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It is going to take longer than hoops my friends.
by Nestor on Sep 21, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
2 or 3 players can turn around a basketball program but it takes well over a dozen to turn around football.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 21, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The current starters
should essentially be the practice squad for the team we should have, i.e. the second string, except maybe for a few guys on defense.
But don’t forget, people, Dorrell had a mandate to clean up the program, he wasn’t (or at least didn’t seem) as concerned about winning and finding talent. He just went and found good kids who wouldn’t get in trouble and knew just enough football to get by.
by tasser10 on Sep 22, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing
that in Football we essentially have 3 Ben Howland’s running around recruiting like crazy. I haven’t heard much about Norm Chow’s recruiting acumen, but I can only imagine what an offensively inclined high school junior must think when Coach Chow comes knocking at his front door.
That is, of course, if our OC takes part in recruiting…
by eubruin on Sep 22, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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