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At U$C, Resisting Arrest is All Good

A little over a week ago, there was some discussion here (also see here and here) on BN regarding the Shareece Wright situation at U$C, in particular, the minor matter of Wright resisting arrest.

While most resisting arrest charges are filed as a misdemeanor violation of Penal Code Section 148(a)(1), it appears Wright was charged with felony resisting arrest, in violation of Penal Code Section 69.

Well, WWL is reporting that Wright suffered a vertebrae hairline fracture and will be out a "number of weeks."  What's particular interesting is that the quotes from the ol' Humanitarian give some insight as to why, despite being charged with a felony, Wright wasn't suspended for a single play.

It appears Koach Karl I was right on the money afterall; according to WWL:

Trojan coaches have been raving about Wright's ability for weeks, suggesting he might emerge as the best corner USC has had in the Carroll era.

Hmm, important player getting in trouble while the Humanitarian does nothing.  Why does this feel like deja vu?

The Humanitarian claims Wright wasn't suspended because it was a perfect "teaching moment" for Wright.  You sure there isn't another reason there Pete?

The injury hinders the Trojans' depth. USC's four-man rotation at corner likely becomes a three-man platoon with Kevin Thomas becoming the first guy off the bench. Blue-chip freshman T.J. Bryant will be available, but the coaches would prefer not to burn his redshirt season if they don't have to.

Hmm, makes one wonder. "Teachable moment" or necessary measure to mask depth problems at corner and not burn a freshman's redshirt season?

Well, don't worry fellow law-abiding Bruins.  The Humanitarian has, despite his usual practice, taken action:

Carroll has said Wright was being disciplined internally for that situation.

And by "disciplined internally" he means sleeping with one of U$C's rather, umm, physically-lacking Song Girls.  Because, seriously, that's about as much punishment as anyone can expect from the Humanitarian.

Despite this, the short-sighted supporters of U$C can't seem to wrap their brains around this:

More puzzling is the fact that he was detained, interviewed and the released only to have the D.A. come back and charge him with resisting. I mean come on you had him detained, you interviewed him and then you released him. If truly resisted why was he not arrested at the time of detention? These guys can't be serious. What new information did they obtain after the fact that made them decide to charge him?

Well, I'm sure the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office will make sure they run all of their charging decisions by you first whenever it involves a U$C player.  I suppose the entire concept of arrest and cite is lost on the folks across town.  I mean, one would think they'd understand given the fact so many of their fellow trOJans find themselves on the police blotter and criminal court docket.

But, rather than trust prosecutors who are sworn to uphold the law, they're going to rely on the word of an accused criminal (Wright) and his defense attorney:

Carlos J. Juarez, Wright's attorney, said would start interviewing eye witnesses and expected the charges to be dropped before the Oct. 29 hearing.

Well, if a defense attorney said it, it must be true!  Because a defense attorney would never mislead the media to gain a perceived tacital advantage.

Although they have nothing to go by but the self-serving statements by Wright's attorneys, trOJans have already begun to serve up the spin

Now, Wright isn't necessarily squeaky clean here as he has two failure to appear on his record for two traffic violations and while one has nothing to do with the other the perception is one of a player who doesn't respect the legal process.

The "perception" of a player who doesn't respect the legal process?  Umm, where I come from, two FTAs don't create the "perception" of someone who doesn't respect the legal process, it is pretty convincing evidence of someone who thinks they can break the law and then blow off court.

To me, just like his fellow trOJans, that pattern of behavior by Wright indicates a complete disregard for the law and our system of justice.

The best part of all of this, though, is that trOJans are placing their blind faith in the Humanitarian to do whatever is "appropriate":

I trust Pete Carroll and Mike Garrett will handle it as they see fit.

Does "as they see fit" mean do absolutely nothing and look the other way as they do with the long, well-known, laundry list of criminal conduct by U$C players?

Or maybe if they tell themselves that OJ didn't do it, that the Humanitarian isn't running a dirty program, that OJ2 didn't take any improper benefits, that Bu$h didn't get any pay-off, and that Wright is innocent, they'll actually believe it's all true.

Delusion is something of a particular favorite over there at the University of Second Choice.

Finally, changing gears from trOJan delusion to amusing quotes, I found this to be of particular amusement:

In addition to Wright having great quickness, Carroll has gushed about Wright's toughness and his knack for making plays.

Apparently, Wright thinks he's tough enough to take on police officers with guns, batons, and tasers.  But, as we now know, he wasn't fast enough to elude the police and apparently U$C playmaking ability doesn't translate into skating on criminal charges.

Wasn't he paying attention when the Humanitarian brought favorite U$C alum OJ1 to practice?  Or has even "slashing the competition" become a Senora Ross course?

U$C: win at all costs. Even if that involves fighting with police officers, sexually assaulting young women, or committing double murder.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Don't forget the ecstasy

Or punching people out.

But it really doesn’t matter anyways since Maualuga owns the police. I am sure this was just a big misunderstanding.

by Rhapsode on Sep 23, 2008 1:34 AM PDT   0 recs

Not sure - there could be a problem.

This didn’t happen in LA County. It could be that the trOJan family doesn’t stretch to San Berdoo or wherever this event never took place. ADA’s out that far might not be interested in 50 yard line tickets.

by Fox 71 on Sep 23, 2008 7:21 AM PDT   0 recs

I bet Peetie punishes Wright

He will sit out the first quarter against Washington State.

by UniversityofSecondChoice on Sep 23, 2008 2:13 PM PDT   0 recs

Things are out of whack when . . .

Dan Guerrero is punished more severely for stepping on the field at the Rose Bowl than Shareece Wright is for being charged with a felony:

Late during Saturday’s loss to Arizona, a Rose Bowl security guard in charge of keeping people on the sidelines behind a yellow dotted line walked up to a man whose right shoe tip was slightly over the line and sternly motioned for him to move back.

The culprit was UCLA Athletic Director Dan Guerrero.

by Koach Karl I on Sep 23, 2008 5:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Come on now

U$C: win at all costs. Even if that involves fighting with police officers, sexually assaulting young women, or committing double murder.

For someone who claims to trumpet respect for the law, indicting USC’s football team based on sexual assaults and murders that were not proven in court seems a bit silly. Granted, OJ was found civilly liable, and many Angelinos seem to think that trial was a farce (I’m not from the area so I’m not as exposed to the details of the case), but on the rape charges, do you have some information the prosecutors don’t? They decided not to bring charges because there wasn’t enough evidence. If you have some, why don’t you come forward with it?

The hyperbole is getting a little out of control, bordering on libel.

by TrojanBadger on Sep 23, 2008 5:40 PM PDT   0 recs

For the uninformed...

…when the People dismiss for insufficient evidence, it is not the same thing as the defendant being factually innocent.

The former is an acknowledgment that, on the facts available to the authorities, the elements of the offense can’t be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The latter is the defendant’s request to the court, without opposition from the People, to declare that the defendant, in fact, was factually innocent of the charged offenses.

Dismissals for insufficient evidence happen all the time. Witnesses, in sexual assault and domestic violence cases, often recant and refuse to cooperate. Evidence is sometimes, through mere inadvertance, misplaced or destroyed. For the police to go through the process of investigating, writing reports, and recommending the report be forwarded to the District Attorney’s Office to be charged indicates to me that the defendant did not have clean hands.

Did Mr. Sanchez go through the process of requesting he be declared factually innocent? I haven’t heard so yet, so, while you’re given the right to remain silent in the courts, in my mind, and in the court of public opinion, when someone calls you a rapist and you don’t defend your name to the very end, the silence is awfully damn deafening.

Dismissing for insufficient evidence is not the same as being innocent. But, trOJans, you can spin a dismissal anyway you want. Doesn’t change the fact that, time and time again, your players keep finding themselves on the wrong side of the law.

Don’t even get me started on Mr. Simpson. If you are even going to attempt to say, with a straight face, that he was innocent of double murder, you’ve shown how absolutely gullible you are.

And please, don’t cry about “libel.” I mean, if you’re going to, at least learn what the word actually means.

So typical of a University of Second Choice “education.”

by norcald503 on Sep 23, 2008 6:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For the illiterate...

I am aware that not bringing charges is not necessarily the same as being innocent. That’s why I never said they were, necessarily. I only said it doesn’t make sense to indict a program based on allegations that not only were never proven, but were not even brought for lack of proof.

I’m sure Mr. Sanchez appreciates your advice on how to handle allegations of rape. Could it be, perhaps, that he wanted the whole thing behind him, as sensible people have done seeing no charges brought? The process of launching an investigation is not an indictment either—especially with a serious allegation like sexual assault, only a fool would not bother to investigate.

Why is it that you didn’t include a definition of libel if you’re so certain I’m unaware? Is it that the definition—defaming an individual with a false statement in print—is perilously close to your writings, if only you had named the individual specifically? I understand he’s a public figure, so you must prove actual malice as well, but that would hardly seem difficult from your frothing-at-the-mouth post.

I will never understand how UCLA fans think USC fans are the arrogant ones. Here you have smugly claimed the basics of criminal justice as some sort of clever retort to an argument I did not make, assured us that you are more qualified to decide the guilt of any individual in Southern California than a judge and a jury, and given advice on handling false accusations of rape, holding that if one does not follow your advice, then they are of course a rapist.

And if you really want to talk about education:

USC SAT Scores:
SAT Critical Reading: 620 – 720
SAT Math: 650 – 740
SAT Writing: 640 – 720

UCLA SAT Scores:
SAT Critical Reading: 570 – 690
SAT Math: 610 – 740
SAT Writing: 580 – 700

by TrojanBadger on Sep 23, 2008 6:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For the... whatever...

TrojanBadger, since this discussion is mainly revolving around the issue of the law and U$C’s constant involvement in it, I haven’t seen you defend this point that is becoming painfully obvious: That U$C is becoming a school of not only being arrested, but for whatever reason not being punished by the school for it. You seem to be avoiding this point, and I’d like to see you address it clearly and directly.

Oh, and try making a list for UCLA (or any other school for that matter) that can match the length of the list in the last seven years in this post. Good luck, btw.

"I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody."
-Lily Tomlin

by uclaisthebest123 on Sep 23, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I only have a UCLA education

but even I know truth is an absolute defense to a claim of defamation. The truth is:

-OJ did kill 2 people
-Sanchez was investigated for rape
-Shareece Wright was charged with felony resisting arrest
-Winston Justice was arrested for solicitation (i think twice?)
-Eric Wright did have a bag with hundreds of ecstasy pills
-Mike Williams did pay below market rent for an apartment

Do I really need to go on? Can you really deny that there is a pattern of questionable behavior at SC that is becoming more and more prevalent? There always seems to be a technicality or a Trojan alum in a position of authority waiting to quash it. But one of these times, possibly very soon, a USC football player who is used to a culture where they believe they can get away with anything, will not escape without being convicted. When that happens, suddenly everyone in the MSM will wake up, look back, and realize that not everything was right with the SC football program.

As for the test scores, congratulations on your marginally better scores (curious-what are the raw scores when you add back in all of the dimwits who are “special admits”). You win.

Oh, and congratulations to all those brilliant students who show up to school at SC on the first day, look around at the shit hole the campus sits in, and can’t wait for the first chance to get off the island and head over to the west side.

by Koach Karl I on Sep 23, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For the spinsters and those slow on the uptake...

I am rather amused at the insinuation that I am illiterate. That aside, let’s see how another trOJan spins my rather straight-forward reply:

I am aware that not bringing charges is not necessarily the same as being innocent. That’s why I never said they were, necessarily. I only said it doesn’t make sense to indict a program based on allegations that not only were never proven, but were not even brought for lack of proof.

No, you didn’t say it, you simply implied it. What’s so particularly amusing is that you qualify your own qualification:

That’s why I never said they were, necessarily.

Sounds the same as “I supported it before I opposed it?”

As for Mr. Sanchez, my reply to your short-sighted comment wasn’t meant as personal advice to him. If given the chance, I wouldn’t waste my breath offering him advice, so let’s make that clear.

I’m sure Mr. Sanchez appreciates your advice on how to handle allegations of rape. Could it be, perhaps, that he wanted the whole thing behind him, as sensible people have done seeing no charges brought?

The funny thing about this, is that your mere speculation doesn’t really rebut my simple premise: those who have been called a rapist and don’t fight like hell to fight that, in the court of public opinion, look pretty guilty.

Let’s compare Mr. Sanchez to another popular Los Angeles athlete: Kobe Bryant. He was accused of rape. And rather than simply let it go away, he conceded the sex, but fought the word rape. He took the fight to every MSM source that would listen. He did the whole news conference with the wife routine. He didn’t just “put it behind him” although, like Sanchez, charges were ultimately dropped.

You can create excuses for your guys or you can be honest with yourself: if someone accused you of a horrible crime, would you sit on it and hope it blows over, or would you fight for your name?

Well, strike that. You’re a trOJan, so you don’t have much of a name to begin with.

Moving on:

Why is it that you didn’t include a definition of libel if you’re so certain I’m unaware? Is it that the definition—defaming an individual with a false statement in print—is perilously close to your writings, if only you had named the individual specifically?

I’m sorry I didn’t take the time to provide you a legal education. My bad. What’s so amusing is that you try to accuse me of libel before saying I didn’t actually commit libel.

Is it that the definition—defaming an individual with a false statement in print—is perilously close to your writings, if only you had named the individual specifically?

Let’s break that down. “The definition . . . is perilously close to [my] writings.” See, right there, it looks like you’re saying I’m coming close.

Now for the definition you provide: “[D]efaming an individual with a false statement in print.”

Then, the most amusing part of this: “[I]f only you had named the individual specifically.” So basically, if I had named the individual, it’d be a libel. If I didn’t (and I didn’t), then it’s not a libel. Isn’t it fun to insinuate people do things, only to qualify it and admit they, in fact, didn’t do the thing you claim?

Simple advice: close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Let’s assume for a minute, I did do what you claimed: I named an individual. Now, last time I checked, truth is an absolute defense to defamatory actions. Can you find a single statement of fact I’ve made that is not true?

No, you can’t. And why can’t you? Because your fellow trOJans seem to love getting in trouble. And it’s not just speculation. It’s pretty well-documented, but hey, we know you guys love to ignore the facts.

Frothing at the mouth? Oh, puh-lease. You think this is frothing at the mouth? You clearly don’t work in the criminal justice system. And apparently, you haven’t been around this whole interwebs thing much. My comment? The one without any swearing? The one that didn’t result in simple flaming? The one that didn’t resort to TYPING IN ALL CAPS to make it “more” right?

Yeah, I am soooo frothing at the mouth. Quick, lock up the kids! NorCalD503 is frothing at the mouth!

Anyway, I guess the only thing they’re teaching you guys across town is the ol’ straw man argument. It’s nice and all, but seriously, that’s the best you can do?

Here you have smugly claimed the basics of criminal justice as some sort of clever retort to an argument I did not make, assured us that you are more qualified to decide the guilt of any individual in Southern California than a judge and a jury, and given advice on handling false accusations of rape, holding that if one does not follow your advice, then they are of course a rapist.

Claimed the basics of criminal justice? Yeah, I did spell it out for you. An argument you did not make? Wow, is spin part of the freshman curriculum there? You see, saying something like this:

[I[ndicting USC’s football team based on sexual assaults and murders that were not proven in court seems a bit silly. Granted, OJ was found civilly liable, and many Angelinos seem to think that trial was a farce (I’m not from the area so I’m not as exposed to the details of the case), but on the rape charges, do you have some information the prosecutors don’t?

To me, that sounds a lot like an argument along the lines of “UCLA fans are so weak for saying U$C is dirty when it’s never been proven in court; it’s so not fair to call U$C players dirty criminals when nothing has been proven.”

My “clever retort” as you put it, pretty much took you behind the woodshed. I know you don’t want to admit it, but yeah, I pointed out that your guys are dirty. They’re criminals. And it’s not like I’m just making this up. Sure, not every incident turned into a conviction, but as I pointed out, being innocent and simply skating for insufficent evidence are two very different things.

Now, I’m pretty sure I didn’t claim to be all-knowing and wiser than all of the judges and juries of Southern California. But, who knows, I mean I was "frothing at the mouth" and all. In fact, I can’t find anything I said that is even remotely close to what you claim I said. But, hey, like I said before, delusion is a particular favorite of you trOJans. I mean, I’m sorry I offered my opinion on this subject. This isn’t your police state buddy: that whole First Amendment thing sort of allows me to, well, state my opinion. Just saying.

Follow my advice or you’re a rapist? Well, that’s a rather interesting interpretation of this:

Did Mr. Sanchez go through the process of requesting he be declared factually innocent? I haven’t heard so yet, so, while you’re given the right to remain silent in the courts, in my mind, and in the court of public opinion, when someone calls you a rapist and you don’t defend your name to the very end, the silence is awfully damn deafening.

Again, I’m sorry my opinion offends you, but, again, let’s be honest: the innocent defend their good name; the guilty simply try to slink away.

Finally, throwing out doctored SAT scores as conclusive proof of the “quality” of your “education.” Wow. I wish my school could take the best part of each SAT I took (beginning in the seventh grade, again in the ninth, and finally in the eleventh) and combine the best score of each section of those three to get an artificially inflated score!

Maybe that’s because UCLA is content with being ranked, based on a complete picture, much higher than U$C in every publication.

by norcald503 on Sep 23, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You are giving them a far better standard than they are due

norcald503 is a nice guy. I’m not. I will come right out and tell you that you are a fool and a perfect specimen of your supposed superior education. New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964), established that actual malice is required for libel when the plaintiff is a public figure.

The actual malice standard requires that the plaintiff in a defamation or libel case prove that the publisher of the statement in question knew that the statement was false or acted in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity

The people who would have been allegedly libeled are public figures. So, this places AN EXTREMELY HIGH BURDEN on the plaintiff to overcome. There are many other issues that you are also forced to overcome because of the Communications Decency Act (47 U.S.C. § 230) but I do not have all day to lay them all out here.

FYI, lots of lawyers here. LOTS of lawyers.

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 23, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting side-note

UCLA has about 25,432 undergraduates. U$C, in comparison, has 16,384 undergrads. In other words, U$C has 64.43% of the undergrads UCLA does.

In my law school (which was a good, top tier law school) graduating class, 44 of us were UCLA alum. In comparison, there were only 10 U$C alum. In other words, that’s just 22.73% of the number of law students UCLA produced in my class. One would think, that if U$C was truly on par with UCLA, there’d be 28 or 29 U$C alum in my law school graduating class (which would be around the 65% mark).

And yet, it’s not true. U$C lags way behind UCLA. Sure, it’s an anecdotal piece of evidence, but to me, it speaks volumes.

TrOJans like to talk big, but the numbers don’t lie.

by norcald503 on Sep 23, 2008 9:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Continuing on the education theme

USC: 53% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher

UCLA: 91% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher

USC median = UCLA bottom 10%

by SuperBruinMan on Sep 23, 2008 8:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You know, trOJanBadger, you're right

It’s absolute, unadulterated libel. It’s defamatory per se. if you promise to have your athletic department sue me for defaming it, I will gladly give you my name and address, and you can have your atheltic department serve their suit papers. The first thing we would do, of course, is to start with depositions. Let’s start with Mike Garrett. Do you think Mike would like to be deposed for a few days about what he knew about [fill in scandal] and when he knew it? Then I would like to have Cheatie Petie under oath for a while. Then we would get your buddy OJ to come in — oh, wait. He’ll be in jail in Nevada. But never mind – a jury has already determined that he did in fact kill two people. That’s called res judicata – thing decided. Reggie bu$h under oath? As soon as he finishes the bu$hgate depo, I would want to take him on.

trOJanBadger, why do you suppose it is that no one from justsc has ever sued for defamation about comments such as these? Why do you suppose that the institution itself hasn’t sued for defamation? I assume you’re not a lawyer, but you don’t really need to be one to figure this out. In a defamation case, truth is an absolute defense. So when we talk about a double murderer, we’re talking about the two middle initials in your name – OJ. A jury already decided that. So that’s a complete defense – meaning you lose. But in order to prove the truth of the other things, we’ll take lots of depositions. A deposition is testimony given under oath. There is no opportunity for a speech or for spin. The deponent answers questions, and he sits there, under oath, answering questions until the depo ends. Any reasonable lawyer can phrase a question that neither Garrett nor Cheatie Petie nor bu$h nor Jarrett nor any of the hundreds of others who have been in one SCandal or another cannot wiggle around. So the depos will eventually get to the point where the witness either tells a flat-out lie (which is the best thing that can possibly happen from the perspective of the examining attorney) or he can refuse to answer or he can tell the truth.

There’s one other defense to a defamation case. The gravamen of defamation is harm to one’s reputation. Hence, another defense to that sort of libel case is to show that justsc has such an abysmal reputation that nothing can make it any lower. I would think that there are one or two members of the BN who would back me up in saying that justsc has no reputation to harm.

Why don’t you do everyone at the BN a big favor — go ask Cheatie Petie if he would like to be a plaintiff in a defamation lawsuit. See how quickly he jumps at that opportunity. Cheatie is a cheater, but he’s not stupid. He will NEVER sue anyone for defaming him.

Anything else you want to try as a threat? Hold your breath until you turn blue? Brother, you only wish you could turn blue.

by Fox 71 on Sep 23, 2008 7:39 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Interesting...

He got 4 years in prison instead of 4 years at U$C. I see some kind of irony there.

Oh, and you have to love this probation officer’s sense of ethics and moral values:

A probation officer had recommended that Simmons receive probation, citing his potential as a college football player.

Little did he know, that only works AFTER you get into U$C. Otherwise, it’s a hard knock life for dem $C recruits…

by tasser10 on Sep 24, 2008 3:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't it nice to get a little batting practice once in a while

We all have to work hard and to exercise our brains or our backs or both to earn a living. Then someone like pathetic little trOJan guy comes in and says something that is so staggeringly stupid that we can all take huge cuts and hit the ball into the stands. It’s sort of unfair, obviously, for a guy to come unarmed to a battle of wits. Nonetheless, I sort of enjoyed that. I kind of hope he comes back and tries again. It will be fun watching others hit pitch after pitch into the bleachers.

by Fox 71 on Sep 23, 2008 7:50 PM PDT   0 recs

I feel the same way, Fox

Nice to get a chance to let it all out, isn’t it? Especially when you know you have the other guy absolutely pinned down.

"I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody."
-Lily Tomlin

by uclaisthebest123 on Sep 23, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't have the time or lack of a life to keep this up...

Especially as the self-congratulatory remarks rain in.

Last post before I peace out and enjoy our #1 ranking and your “Neu era” of getting blown out….

Of course truth is an absolute defense to libel. But it’s also absolutely true that OJ was not found criminally responsible for murder. That’s not the scandalous claim anyway. Calling USC players rapists based on accusations that did not even bring charges is scandalous and irresponsible.

Secondly, the libel talk is to emphasize the detachment from reality you seem to suffer from, wherein anyone accuses a USC player of anything, therefore it’s true. It’s not a threat—as you keyboard-lawyers would surely know, I don’t, as a random fan, have the standing to bring any sort of lawsuit on behalf of anyone else, so it wouldn’t be much of a threat regardless of the merits.

And Norcald, simply stating that your response “took me out behind the woodshed” doesn’t make it so. There’s a big difference between some of the accusations against USC players (the hazing thing, drinking, fighting) and murder and rape. Your posts are remarkable for their varied use of ignoring metaphors (frothing at the mouth) and employing them (hand grenades), steadfastly defending your First Amendment rights (as you should, if they were, you know, actually threatened) and ignoring the Constitutional rights of the accused, and other eccentricities.

One might think a certain handicapped parking situation from a few years back would take UCLA fans off their high horse a little bit—but of course, given the state of your football program over the last decade, I’d try to forget a lot too.

by TrojanBadger on Sep 23, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You continue to spew meaningless words out yet you continue to ignore

the obvious fact that the amount of accusations, arrests, convictions, and overall issues with obeying the law U$C and their football program has had are, quite simply, remarkable (and not in the good way). Sure, many of these incidents did not actually get through the whole court process and many were dropped, but the sheer magnitude of these whatever-you-want-to-call-its in such a short period of time are unmatched in any other Division 1 College Football team, and let’s just say this: It’s not a coincidence these events all occurred at U$C.

"I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody."
-Lily Tomlin

by uclaisthebest123 on Sep 23, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Walks like a duck...

It’s a duck. I hate the phrase but it is quite apt here. If they are running a clean program, why are there so many SCandals? If being accused of doing things that you are not guilty of was a problem, why doesn’t it happen to every program? Or is it just the fact that you are the GREAT AND POWERFUL $C FOOTBALL TEAM! Let me tell you, you are definitely behind Notre Dame for being the greatest football team. They don’t seem to get into as much trouble as you. WE ARE THE GREATEST, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL. So, one would think that our basketball program would constantly be in trouble. The problem with this is that it is YOUR basketball team that is in trouble.

How do your players constantly get into trouble? Why are they in the situations that get them into trouble? These are legitimate questions that anyone with an ounce of character would address in some fashion other than to say “you’re just jealous of our football team.”

You people are the worst. You have a very short term memory when it comes to the last SCandal that you dismissed out of hand but A DECADE LONG memory when it comes to the handicapped scandal. You don’t see us trying to deny it do you? That’s the difference between you and we. But you have exposed yourself my friend, your memory does go back… You are a hypocrite and so is anyone that continues to defend your SCandal laden program. Being that USC is an institution of higher learning, it pains me to see its reputation so affixed to something so SCandalous. I do think that it serves the community and that, as such, what hurts it also hurts the community. So that is why I say, do something about it.

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 23, 2008 9:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At least you're wise enough to know when to flee...

Let’s ignore the fact that saying “[l]ast post before I peace out” is basically the interwebs equivalent of “I’m taking my ball and going home.”

Once again, you are a one-man U$C spin machine. Did I call Sanchez a rapist? No. I said he was accused of rape. And I said he never did so much as deny the accusations. Then I proceeded to state that, in such cases, in the court of public opinion (which, in case you didn’t catch it, is not a court of law where he enjoys all those constitutional protections), the failure to defend his name was pretty damning.

But, spin away my friend!

Then saying something foolish like this:

And Norcald, simply stating that your response "took me out behind the woodshed" doesn’t make it so.

Without responding in anyway to my post is basically you saying “Nuh-uh!” Wow. Very persuasive.

But, thank you for pointing out the whole handicapped parking situation. I’m glad you brought it up. Because it is a perfect illustration of how UCLA and U$C are different.

Although, to be honest, comparing parking in a handicapped stall to allegations of murder, rape, drug possession, and felony resisting arrest is kind of like comparing apples to oranges, but I digress.

At UCLA, there was a scandal. Players were doing some not-so-cool stuff (getting handicapped parking placards, parking in handicapped stalls) during Toledo’s reign. And, at UCLA, those players were punished. If I recall, DeShaun Foster sat. A lot.

At U$C, in comparison, player after player is caught in criminal situation after criminal situation. And yet, no one gets punished! Felony resisting arrest? No punishment! Possession of narcotics? No punishment! Solicitation? No punishment! Double murder? Invite that guy to practice!

You see, we know we’re not perfect. No one is. But when our players do something wrong, they’re punished. You guys, on the other hand, just look the other way and have Mr. Magoo do the investigating.

The best part, though, trOJanBadger, is that you have been called out time and time again. We shoot down your ridiculous comments.

You cry and whine and try to tell me how it is. Yet, you can’t, or more likely, won’t answer the simple questions:

I haven’t seen you defend this point that is becoming painfully obvious: That U$C is becoming a school of not only being arrested, but for whatever reason not being punished by the school for it. You seem to be avoiding this point, and I’d like to see you address it clearly and directly.
trOJanBadger, why do you suppose it is that no one from justsc has ever sued for defamation about comments such as these? Why do you suppose that the institution itself hasn’t sued for defamation?
Can you really deny that there is a pattern of questionable behavior at SC that is becoming more and more prevalent?

Post after post, including mine, which, yes did take you behind the woodshed and gave you a proper whoopin’, you ignore. Instead you, as noted above, “spew meaningless words” and continue to ignore the crux of the discussion.

Typical trOJan: lie, spin, and obfuscate (let me know if you need me to define that for you too, since, well, you’re a trOJan).

by norcald503 on Sep 23, 2008 8:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Detachment from reality?

TrOJans claim stupid things like:

detachment from reality [UCLA fans] seem to suffer from

Umm, last time I checked, we’re not the ones spinning, ignoring, and outright pretending this whole list of classy acts never happened.

Oh, trOJans. You’re so very amusing.

Almost as amusing as this:

There’s a big difference between some of the accusations against USC players (the hazing thing, drinking, fighting) and murder and rape.

Yes, they are very different things. But there’s one common thread of all of those things: trOJans have done every one.

But, don’t worry trOJanBadger, if you close your eyes and keep saying “nuh-uh!” and ignoring the hard questions, maybe, just maybe, to you, it’ll all be true.

by norcald503 on Sep 23, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

CONGRATULATIONS

I know it’s early, but trOJanbadger has earned today’s BN Golden Ostrich

For your bravery in the face of the evils of “facts” and “logic”.

But seriously guys, he brought a knife to a gunfight, and then you guys brought out RPGs. This wasn’t even close to a fair fight. Another trOJan gets tooled by BN.

by Tydides on Sep 24, 2008 7:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So please tell us

how it is to enjoy your #1 ranking?

by Seanny Rotten on Sep 27, 2008 11:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahaha. He said "scandalous and irresponsible"

hahahahahahaha.

Hey TrojanBuggerer, did you get your name from that case in crim law where the guy gets buggered?

by Koach Karl I on Sep 23, 2008 8:43 PM PDT   0 recs

Doctored SAT results? Useless data.

While certain trOJans think throwing around doctored SAT results somehow conclusively proves U$C now provides a superior education to UCLA, here’s some more fun data points for them to play with

According to Wikipedia (which, I must say, in this kind of situation,is quite handy in gathering a bunch of sources in one single place), UCLA ranks as follows:

ARWU (Academic Ranking of World Universities) World: 13th
ARWU National: 11th
ARWU Natural Science & Math: 10th
ARWU Engineering & CS: 32nd
ARWU Life Sciences: 22nd
ARWU Clinical Medicine: 6th
ARWU Social Sciences: 14th
CMUP (Center for Measuring University Performance): 13th
THES (Times Higher Education Supplement) World: 41st
THES National: 18th
USNWR (U.S. News & World Reports) National University: 25th
USNWR Business School: 11th
USNWR Law School: 16th
USNWR Medical School (research): 9th
USNWR Medical School (primary care): 12th
USNWR Engineering School: 13th
USNWR Education School: 3rd
Washington Monthly: 2nd

Now, according to Wikipedia, U$C ranks as follows (with UCLA’s number following in the paranthetical):

ARWU World: 50th (UCLA 13th)
ARWU National: 39th (UCLA 11th)
ARWU Natural Science & Math: 52nd (UCLA 10th)
ARWU Engineering & CS: 11th (UCLA 32nd)
ARWU Life Sciences: 51st (UCLA 22nd)
ARWU Clinical Medicine: 50th (UCLA 6th)
ARWU Social Sciences: 35th (UCLA 14th)
CMUP: 24th (UCLA 13th)
THES World: 119th (UCLA 41st)
USNWR National University: 27th (UCLA 25th)
USNWR Business School: 21st (UCLA 11th)
USNWR Law School: 18th (UCLA 16th)
USNWR Medical School (research): 36th (UCLA 9th)
USNWR Medical School (primary care): unranked (UCLA 12th)
USNWR Engineering School: 8th (UCLA 13th)
USNWR Education School: 38th (UCLA 3rd)
Washington Monthly: 24th (UCLA 2nd)

Let’s see. Out of 17 rankings, U$C finished ahead of UCLA in only 2 (ARWU Engineering & CS and USNWR Engineering School). And in the 2 that U$C is ahead in, they aren’t ahead by much.

In comparison, in many of the categories the Bruins lead in, the Bruins are flat out head and shoulders above the trOJans. No UCLA ranking is below 41. U$C? They seem to love the 40s, 50s, the 100s, and, oh yeah, being unranked.

So, umm, seriously, is anyone still wondering why U$C is the University of Second Choice?

by norcald503 on Sep 23, 2008 9:30 PM PDT   0 recs

They can work the figures any way they want

But the fact of the matter remains: More people apply to UCLA than any other university in U.S. (if not the world). Academically, it is a shame that the rivalry isn’t more like Berkeley and Stanford.

There are three academically elite institutions in California (this list will be expanding with the other UCs). We know who those are. On the other hand, if SC didn’t have the tradition here in So. Cal, they already would have been overtaken by a number of UC schools in the pack several lengths behind the front runners. Give that time.

But have you seen that football team?

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 23, 2008 10:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Minor correction

I’d say there are four academically elite institutions in California, the fourth being Cal Tech. Now, of course, Cal Tech athletics is well, how should we say, not their strong suit (but hey, for a basketball team with guys who never played before, they sure do try their best and give it their all…you have to commend them for that).

Otherwise, I completely agree.

by norcald503 on Sep 23, 2008 10:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You're Right

4. I forgot about those guys for some reason.

by Bruins102NCAA on Sep 24, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love watching batting practice

The batting practice pitcher lobs one in, and then the big guys hit it into the bleachers.

I believe that it was a guy from justsc debating a Bruin which lead to the mercy rule.

But at least we know where Bill and Ted went.

And now for trOJanBadger, I’ll use one syllable words (and if you think this is not hard, just try.) Young man, you need to bring facts, not spin, when you post here. You can not act as if all the bad stuff did not take place. It did. In the real world, it is a fact that where there is smoke there is fire. Look at all the stuff that Pete would not look at. If you ran the team, would you do the same? No one should. He does. All the fans do the same. Can you see why we think you have no class? (Quick – find a Bruin to translate and explain – I couldn’t think of a one syllable word for “integrity.” But it doesn’t matter – a trOJan does not understand the word “integrity” no matter how many syllables.)

by Fox 71 on Sep 24, 2008 6:57 AM PDT   0 recs

Wow.

I am really sorry I missed this one. Here is a slightly different perspective for all of my incredible fellow BN’ers:

I read through the post, and all the comments, and…

all he could come up with is a list of dubious “SAT scores” that cite no source or parameters, (e.g. what class, what year, where did these “scores” come from?) and

the handicap parking scandal…?

Just tragic…and hilarious at the same time.

’Badger, I just have one, simple question for you: Would you let your little sister or brother, or any similar loved one of tender age, spend an unchaperoned day with Mr. Wright or Mr. Sanchez?

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 24, 2008 7:27 AM PDT   0 recs

Not to mention...

people take the SAT in high school. Trotting out SAT scores as proof of a superior education is meaningless. The scores get you in, but they don’t have anything to do with the education you actually get.

Entertaining thread.

by Westwood is the best wood on Sep 24, 2008 8:02 AM PDT   0 recs

Handicap scandal?

That was 2 football coaches ago! We’re all talking about the CURRENT football administrations and that person brings up something completely irrelevant to the current state of affairs. And if I recall, the players were punished. Just like DeShaun Foster was punished for such a minor issue because of some trojan rat.

by UCLA4Life on Sep 24, 2008 8:50 AM PDT   0 recs

He forgot to bring up accepting a bag of groceries.

by bru79 on Sep 24, 2008 10:38 AM PDT   0 recs

Thanks, people

for all the entertainment. And, my thanks extends to TrOJanBadger for playing the part of the Washington Generals.

by Bruinut on Sep 24, 2008 2:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Not nice, Nut

I spit coffee on my keyboard.

by Fox 71 on Sep 24, 2008 5:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shareece Wright

I believe the Shareece Wright situation could have been handled better, but as more information comes out the situation around the whole incident seems strange to say the least. As a fan though, I think Carroll has earned some benefit of the doubt from his track record of producing upstanding student athletes. I will be the first to admit that USC has had some questionable actions committed by our athletes, but I honestly do believe that these are the exceptions rather than the rule. Regardless, as a very visible institution SC must work hard at preventing these sort of incidents from ever happening in the first place whatever the final outcome (guilty, innocent, insufficient evidence, etc…) of the case may be

by Laughing Stock on Sep 24, 2008 8:01 PM PDT   0 recs

This will be short, to give the other guys room

Here’s your basic premise: “Carroll has earned some benefit of the doubt from his track record of producing upstanding student athletes.”

Here’s what’s wrong with your basic premise: http://www.bruinsnation.com/2008/5/15/508939/pete-carroll-tim-floyd-usc

Please explain how the well-documented events show a “track record of producing upstanding student athletes.” Unless you mean they’re standing up while they’re getting their mug shots taken.

by Fox 71 on Sep 24, 2008 8:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Again I am not saying that USC has never had issues with trangsgressions from its athletes...

But considering the sheer number of high profile athletes that attend USC I think it is reasonable to say that the great majority of them are not criminals, cheaters, or “thugs”. In addition, many players taken in drafts from USC appear to be commended for leadership and high character due to hard work on and off the field. It is definitely fair to point out the shortcomings of trojan athletes, and USC should be held culpable to the degree that these shortcomings are a result of a lack of oversight or control. Anyways, I can understand how your viewpoint can arise considering the media bias towards sensationalism and the fact that you are our rivals after all, but focusing only on the negative and not the whole picture is a clear example of Confirmation Bias no matter how one looks at it.

by Laughing Stock on Sep 24, 2008 10:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I do appreciate...

…that you are being reasonable Laughing Stock, something that is completely lost, it seems, on many of your fellow trOJans. The reason I wrote this post originally is to highlight that, once again, a trOJan football player got into some trouble with the law and nothing is done by U$C to punish the player. Most troubling, though, is the fact that so many of your trOJans peers continue to place blind faith in Carroll and Garrett, despite the well-documented laundry list of transgressions, criminal conduct, and shady relations with agents and runners.

I agree, not all trOJans are criminals and thugs. I’m sure you guys have some good people over there. What is do disconcerting though is the blind faith in a program that does nothing to discipline players. I know college athletics, and football in particular, is big money for every university. But the fact that schools generate a lot of revenue from these guys does not mean schools should be turning a blind eye to one of the fundamental goals of any institution of higher education: molding young men and women into productive, successful members of society.

I hate to blow our own horn, but no one understood that better than John Wooden. He didn’t train players. He made men.

Carroll and Garrett, on the other hand, seem more than willing to turn a blind eye to make sure the main product, U$C football, remains on the top of the heap. That’s the problem.

Anyway, again, I appreciate your candor and reasonableness. It’s refreshing, esp. after dealing with delusional goobers like trOJanBadger.

by norcald503 on Sep 25, 2008 6:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Any "Sheer Numbers" Analysis

must—simply must—come back to this. LS, you are a thinking, reasonable person, and we truly do appreciate that, but…there are just too, too many “events” to chalk up to sensationalism or “confirmation bias”—regardless of the validity and undeniable existence of both of those factors.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 25, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops,

and this.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 25, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You call it confirmation bias

and I call it UCLA vs. USC.

At the end of the day, you are right-not every athlete at SC is a thug or criminal. However, the original point here (at least as far as I am concerned) is that SC has had more than a reasonable number of arrests for some pretty serious crimes over the last few years. Part of that behavior is certainly attributable to certain (not all) individuals who make up the team.

I also believe, however, that the rest of it is attributable to the culture and attitude being developed by Pete Carroll and his staff. I really do believe it is a matter of time before someone does something really crazy and the Bill Plaschkes of the world start writing stories about the SC football program being a breeding ground for illicit behavior when viewed in retrospect.

No doubt there is a lot of hot air being blown around here on both sides though (me included).

Oh yeah. I almost forgot: F USC.

by Koach Karl I on Sep 24, 2008 11:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Wow

That is a great article. Yahoo sports has really stepped up lately.

by Koach Karl I on Sep 25, 2008 12:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There is simply a misconception...

Apparently some posters don’t realize what is really going on across town. Those student-athletes who are so frequently in the police blotters are actually Criminal Justice majors who are working on their field study assignments. It just so happens to be a popular major at the University of Seasoned Criminals.

by ucla7477 on Sep 26, 2008 6:26 PM PDT   0 recs

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