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Dealing With Tabloid Trash From Traditional Media's Concern Trolls

So lot of Bruins are furious (justifiably so) over the latest column from TJ Simers in today's LA Times. Simers today wrote a piece going straight after CRN with his usual snark (without providing any kind of reality based context). I won’t link it (because doing so will serve his purpose of driving up page views of a stale newspaper) but will excerpts few paras from it:

Neuheisel is supposed to be Mr. Personality, oozing charisma all over the place, but when given the Page 2 Test, he became rattled. Gary Matthews comes to mind, and he might have an excuse -- no one knowing yet if an inability to appear interesting is one of those HGH side effects.

Neuheisel had the advantage on Matthews and Dullard, too, in taking the Page 2 Test, because we go back to when he was playing quarterback for the Chargers during the 1987 strike.

Maybe he was uptight because he thought I was going to nickname him "Scab."

No question the Scab wasn't the same guy I remembered, and I hadn't even mentioned Karl Dorrell's efforts in leading Miami past the Patriots and obviously outsmarting Bill Belichick.

I wanted to ask if he had called Dorrell seeking advice -- Dorrell starting his coaching career at UCLA 1-2 after not being left much by Bob Toledo, everyone making fun of him but then coaxing his team into winning five in a row.

Anyone like the Scab's chances of coaxing the Bruins into winning the next five games in a row?

Well, when a "columnist" starts a piece with a personal attack on his subject matter he kind of loses his credibility right off the bat (I know Simers doesn’t have a lot of it). More importantly, it’s not that difficult to take apart the weak arguments he offers up to attack CRN.

To argue that Dorrell was the master mind behind Miami’s win over a Tom Brady less Patriots is just as laughable to make the argument that Lavin was a competent coach because he took a crew of McDonald Americans to Sweet-16s. We all know how super awesome the contributions of an NFL wide receiver coach to its team. I will just go back to this post from January of 2007, when our SBN colleague - TheSportsGuru - over at Mile High Report (who obviously covers the Broncos on a day-to-day basis and does a wonderful job at it) shared the following observation re. the former WR coach, who lucked into the head coaching position in Westwood (emphasis added):

At the time I thought Dorrell was a nice position coach, but no one I would have thought of as a Head Coach candidate at a major D-1 school.  Even looking at his background, there just wasn't a lot of sustained success nor experience at big time college programs.  In that way it is similar to Brewster, who had never been more than a position coach.  The key difference, however, between the two is Brewster's experience as recruiting coordinator at Texas and North Carolina, where he recruited players like Chris Simms and Vince Young.

Dorrell really didn't have a strength, that I saw, as someone in a leadership position.  It wasn't like the Broncos were rolling out Pro Bowlers under Dorrell, and as a matter of fact, every receiver the team acquired or drafted during his time there is no longer with the team.  Sure, Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey are solid, but both were good players before and after Dorrell.   It's a well known fact in Bronco Nation that Shanny has a tendancy to hire "yes" men as assistants, made obvious by the fact that there isn't a "coaching tree" to speak of.  Karl Dorrell is among that group, and not someone I saw then, or now, as a coach with a bright head coaching future.  Some guys are just better suited to be part of a team, not in charge of it, and Dorrell wasn't even a great assistant.

If the Bruins ever want to be taken seriously in college football, on and off campus, they need to get an established, proven successful head coach.  I know Dorrell is an alum, but with no real football strength to speak of the Bruins will continue to win despite Dorrell, which is ok if 8-4 and 9-3 is acceptable every season.

I hope that makes sense.... 

Anyone wants to argue that the situation is any different in Miami?

And then Simers brings up Dorrell’s alleged "hot start" in his first season at UCLA. Simmers either willfully or ignorantly fails to bring up the facts concerning Dorrell 03 v. Neuheisel 08. If you are a regular reader of BN, it shouldn’t be very difficult to look up the facts in support of the arguments that Dorrell inherited lot more talent from an 8-5 Toledo coached team compared to what he left CRN and that schedule for Dorrell’s first season was ridiculously weak compared to what CRN is facing this season. You can find them here and here as well as looking up posts under the tag – "dose of reality" – which is clearly missing in Simers’s tabloid trash in the LA Times.

So what should folks do? IMHO there is no use for linking up his article or lighting up the email inboxes for TJ Simers or Randy Harvey (who I am assuming is still in the EIC for LAT’s sports section). Giving Simers attention through clicking on his article (the link from post mentioning his article has been redacted from BN) only boosts his value to the LAT.

We have no problem with folks linking to legit articles/reports from the LAT or other outlets in the traditional media. I don't agree with those who advocate we ignore the traditional media all together. I think that is extreme, too reactionary and totally misses the point. I find nothing wrong with keeping track of actual news that comes out via traditional news media. I think if you want to be a well informed UCLA fan, you should keep track of news coming out via beat reporters and if you are discussing them you should link to their work. I don't subscribe to the theory that blogs like BN is a replacement to the work done by beat reporters. If anything I think when properly done (see Ted Miller's well run and informative blog on WWL), blogs and traditional media can complement each other in a very productive manner.

However, we all have to become collectively more savvy and sophisticated in terms of how we filter content coming from the traditional media. I think we have to exercise discretion and be selective when deciding to link content from a specific source or where and how to react to it (and I don't think we can just ignore certain attacks on our program and coaches and hope it all just goes away).

So when someone like Simers attacks UCLA and its coaches and fans, we should pick our venues and methods on how to react and respond (without serving their purpose).  Same goes for below average columnists like Marcia Smith in the OC Register. Marcia was at it again this week (again no use linking tabloid trash):

Though he does not throw, run, kick or tackle in the game, Neuheisel is the one who's fumbling right now.

When he accepted the job at his alma mater, Neuheisel brashly, if not blindly, raised the Bruin football program's expectations for winning, dominating in the Pac-10, contending for national championships and getting in the facemask of crosstown rival USC.

At the time, Neuheisel's words were a refreshing blast of enthusiastic, albeit hot, air from a program that had long gone stale. The Bruins' overtime upset victory in the Sept. 1 season opener against a then-No. 18 Tennessee gave Neuheisel's early optimism some substance.

Down 17-10 at halftime to the Wildcats on Saturday, the game was still undecided. Though a few hundred fans, including legendary Bruin basketball coach John Wooden, departed shortly before the third quarter, a sizeable, supportive city of Bruin faithful remained to root for a team that hasn't scored an offensive touchdown since Game 1.

The Bruins lost again, convincingly again, but not as badly as in their second game, a 59-0 shutout at No. 18 BYU. And suddenly the Neuheisel's golden-haired surprise victory of Game 1 seemed more distant, and the two defeats, more pulsing with the kind of disappointment that messes with minds and toy with hearts.

"Golden-haired surprise victory"? Really there is nothing we can write that can respond to that. I will just refer to Jason over at What’s Bruin, Dawg, who pegged Marcia’s work pretty accurately based on what we have seen from her:

[T]here is nothing that could have prepared me for the singular awfulness of Marcia Smith, the OC Register's 'beat' writer for the UCLA Bruins. I use the term 'beat writer' loosely; I prefer to think of her as the crazy aunt that someone at the Register decided to let out of the asylum. Her work is both abysmal, pandering and ridiculous, all at the same time.

I mean it shouldn’t take a lot of brain power for anyone to get the notion that what CRN laid out in his first press conference as the new UCLA head coach, he was laying out a vision for the long term future. Obviously that either went right over Marcia’s head or she was being a craven, cynical tabloid columnist, who was just writing a hit piece to attract just like TJ Simmers.

Again, as many have already astutely observed in this thread, Simmer’s (as well as Marcia’s) shtick is to write something (often absurd and baseless) just so they can rile up people. It’s not difficult to discern they are concern trolling by launching baseless attacks against CRN to get a rise out of Bruin fan base, and drive up the hits on LAT. So why give him the link? So next time he writes something that is off base and just absurd, just take a little time and tear it apart methodically here on BN or whatever UCLA online community you spend your time in (without giving him a link or urging people to email him). They get their satisfaction out of getting angry emails or filling up their usually deserted comment threads. So why give them the attention?

It’s not that difficult to shred their arguments as we have noted above. Take them apart here and eventually they will also turn into a national joke just like Bill Plaschke, but no need to serve their purposes by giving them attention on their websites and email inboxes. Take them to task here (or wherever you interact with other Bruin fans online) and then expose them to other Bruin fans as irrelevant concern trolls offering ignorant comments on matters related to Bruin Nation.

GO BRUINS.

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DO NOT LINK

Nestor, you are on the money. Do not under any circumstances ever link to these pieces. This is exactly what they want. Do not buy the rag for the day either. If anything, most people can just pick one up that is lying around at the cofee table. They usually have commnity papers in the office, just read that. Do not add to their purchase totals or hit totals. Do not help in this way.

by bruin 95 on Sep 23, 2008 5:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering

If KD suited up and changed his name to Ronnie Brown, because that’s the only guy I know that destroyed the Patriots on Sunday.

by Tydides on Sep 23, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

I learned my lesson. I’m not taking that bait anymore!

by LoyalAlum94 on Sep 23, 2008 5:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel a little like Jefferson Smith

I’ve been filibustering about the fishwrap, and just as I’m about to collapse, I can see that the message has gotten through.

Nestor has a point – he wants to take what they say and tear it to smithereens without linking to it, which is fine with me. As long as there are no sales or links or anything like that, I’m content. I will leave the active fighthing you young whippersnappers. (What exactly is a whippersnapper, anyway? But I digress.) I will continue to ignore the fishwrap as I have for more years than many in the BN have been alive. It’s a lot less stressful. I’m sure the ‘wrap could care less what I do in response to their alleged reporting, but then I don’t really care what that rag sheet prints anyway.

by Fox 71 on Sep 23, 2008 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

do not email them either

why in the world would anyone actually email them if you’re upset?

too many morons are posting their emails to simers on various message boards. you don’t think simers wants your emails? you don’t think he smiles when he sees your obvious anger seething through the screen? have some sense here. do not email them. ignore them. it comes down to the dollar, and when you ignore them, they lose that dollar. that is where you will hurt them…

by bruin 95 on Sep 23, 2008 8:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

Slimers feeds off of emails. It’s like throwing jet fuel on the fire.

As much as I myself want to email him and tell him what a joke he is, for years he has printed emails sent to him and pretty much made the senders look like fools.

Ignoring him completely is the best medicine. He only exists to antagonize.

And if you email him, the terrorists win. Or something like that.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 24, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People who antagonize

others to be sustained by the negative emotions they create reminds of a Star Trek episode. I is Ok to hate me. But do not ignore me. I agree. Not giving the hits/comments at the source is the biggest message you can send. It used to be called “yellow press” and now it is “tabloid news.” But is has the same odor.

by northbaybruin on Sep 23, 2008 9:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Simers is a dead man.

Not literally mind you. Figuratively.

What this calls to mind is the corresponding growth of the blogosphere with the decline of the traditional print press. The only thing newspapers provide these days is liner for birdcages, fishwrap and a decent alternative for washing car windows. The smart (and endearing) journalists have taken their opinions to cable television. It’s safe to assume nobody wants to put his act on television, so you can expect more inane attempts to get under our collective skin as their (and his) numbers continue to drop.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Sep 24, 2008 12:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A side story about the decline of newspapers

I apologize in advance to Fox since this involves the fishwrap.

A couple of months ago, my old man told me that the fishwrap ran an article that was of interest to me. “Your mom wants to know if we should mail it to you.” No need, I told him. I read it on the website. “But there was a picture in it,” he replied. “There were about nine on the website,” I told him. My old man then said, “Well no wonder newspaper subscriptions are dropping.”

Personally, I only get the paper to get the Sunday coupons. I orignially was only going to get Sunday delievery here in Birmingham, but the daily paper gives me a head’s up for articles for my morning report for work.

by bruinbabe2000 on Sep 24, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simers

There’s never a good reason to read any of his or Plaschke’s “articles” because they’re all garbage. I notice that Pucin hasn’t had any articles as of late either, so maybe they got rid of her and her terrible reporting. Streeter just writes puff pieces, so he’ll become a typical LA Times shill somewhere down the line. The only truly exceptional columnist on their staff is Helene Elliott, and they barely cover hockey in that rag.

by UCLA4Life on Sep 24, 2008 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pucin

covers basketball, I believe.

Anyway, the traditional media has just gotten pathetic, and you can blame Rupert Murdoch for that. Entertainment trumps information and the truth is just left to rot on the wayside as collateral damage. Sad world.

by tasser10 on Sep 24, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the words of the immortal Rodney Dangerfield...

“He really tells it like it ain’t”…the L.A.Times hasn’t been readable since the passing of Jim Murray!!!

by GogetemBruins on Sep 24, 2008 9:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that....

With the notable exception of Steve Springer.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by HoozierDaddy on Sep 24, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Surprised by the Hoopla

Aren’t we taking this a little to serious? First of all, I am a big fan of Simers. I don’t always agree with him but enjoy his columns. But I am not going to stop reading the Times (or any other media outlet) just because I don’t like a story. I don’t always agree with what is said on BN but I read the site just about every day.
I worked as a sportswriter (not for the LAT) so I am bias toward the traditional media. While I’ve always felt that the Times favored the Trojans over the Bruins, I do not think they slight UCLA out of spite. Nor do I feel that Simers was out to get CRN. He’s a columnist; he was giving his opinion.

richramus

by richramus on Sep 24, 2008 5:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I fundamentally disagree, Rich

I don’t contribute to justsc. I don’t subscribe to the daily trOJan. The reasons for that are self-evident, but they bear repeating. I look at it as my mission in life to do nothing that will contribute in even the smallest way to the economic prosperity of that place. If justsc were to drop off the face of the earth and be replaced with an open cesspool, (a) I would applaud, and (b) not be able to notice any difference.

I equate the fishwrap to the daily trOJan. Please understand that there are non-sports and non-UCLA reasons why I detest the fishwrap, but their elitism and their condescending reporting strikes me as simply an extension of the elitism and arrogance that is created at justsc.

In a nutshell, I equate the fishwrap and justsc. I have long since dissolved diplomatic relations with both. If I had the launch codes, they would have been holes in the ground long ago.

As an aside, there is plenty of room in the print media for you. Please don’t be seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. I can see the fishwrap staff practicing now: “These aren’t the ‘droids you’re looking for.” Don’t succumb to the notion that you can enjoy the writings of a douchebag. Those reporters are, to be kind, douchebags. Their opinions are douchebaggy opinions. For your own good, Rich, leave them alone.

by Fox 71 on Sep 24, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sound a little out of touch and not well informed

I think someone in another asked you whether you had seen the exchanges between Simers and CRN. You didn’t answer.

Any reasonable person who watched the exchange between Simers and CRN during Tuesday’s press conference would conclude Simers was operating with a clear agenda of being an unreasonable jerk to CRN. Obviously you are missing the point.

And BTW having experience as a “sportswriter” will not win you any points because right now we consider that to be the dumbest profession in America.

by Nestor on Sep 25, 2008 4:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you really call me dumb?

Or am I taking this out of context? Or maybe you were misquoted? Or, maybe, you are just joking, just like Simers was with CRN.
Any way, I will try to respond to your questions/comments:
I did not see the press conference footage but I did read Simers’ column this morning where he again stated what he wrote was a joke. I can understand why you don’t like TJ. He can be highly irritating at times. But I have enjoyed his stuff since he was covering the NFL a decade ago.
Professionally, Simers is a jerk and likes it that people think he’s a jerk. I have witness him at work in person and seen the enjoyment he gets out of pushing someone’s buttons. My point is that he did not come into the press conference wanting to make CRN look bad. He wanted to test him to see how he would react. I just think that if CRN had handled it better, TJ would have given him his props instead of mocking him.
Sure I was a sportswriter, any my experience in the profession shapes how I look at sports. Most of all, I am a fan with strong opinions about the teams I passionately follow. No different than anyone else. Whether you agree or disagree with me is not the point.

richramus

by richramus on Sep 25, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nestor didn't call you out - he called your profession out

You just confirmed why we think sports reporters are such tools.

You admit here that you didn’t watch the press conference but you are stupid enough to write this:

He wanted to test him to see how he would react. I just think that if CRN had handled it better, TJ would have given him his props instead of mocking him.

If you didn’t watch the press conference, how the hell you can opine that he could have handled it better?

You kind of come across like a total moron in your comment.

by bluestreet on Sep 25, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A sports fan does not have to be a sports writer fan

I’m a fan with strong opinions, just like you are. But I am a fan of certain teams and of players. I’m also not a fan of certain players. I’m not a fan of, for example, some of the me-first guys who play (or don’t play) for themselves rather than for the team. I am a fan of guys who give all the effort that is possible for them to give, and for teams which never quit. (An example of the latter is my hometown Rays.)

I don’t need a writer or a broadcaster to tell me who I should root for or who I shouldn’t root for. I don’t need a writer to stimulate discussion or to push anyone’s buttons. I’ll interpret things myself. I don’t need someone to do that for me. There are so many highlight shows and recaps and Sports Centers that I just don’t need print media to tell me what’s happening. And if I do need to see it in black and white, I can look up box scores on the internet. Simers and his cronies have long since realized this and are no longer reporting. They’re trying to entertain.

Simers is just another anachronism. His time is in the past. He is the village blacksmith who wonders why no one brings horses by to have shoes installed. He realizes his time is in the past, so he has decided to act like Vince McMahon and the wrestling guys rather than like Walter Cronkite and the news guys. I personally don’t care for wrestling, so I don’t watch it. I also don’t care for pro wrestling in the guise of sports reporting. I just don’t need it.

Isn’t there some form of entertainment that you can choose other than Simers? Why not pro wrestling? It’s at about the same intelligence level as the fishwrap. If you do as I do and just fritter away time on mindless things, just search YouTube for some of your favorite oldie but goodie stuff. You’re a Bruin. Why would you want to waste your time with a guy who isn’t qualified to carry your intellectual suitcase?

Bottom line for me – I’ll watch the game. You go ahead and listen to what Simers says happened in the game. it sounds like we’ll both be happy.

by Fox 71 on Sep 25, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My final comment

Sarcasm is difficult to portray in print. I read Simers and see sarcasm; other see vicious attacks. I like Simers’ work; others hate it. No one is right; no one is wrong.
The great thing about this blog and others like it is that anyone can give their opinion. That’s why I read and contribute here. But I don’t understand why all the insults are so necessary. May be I’m just old fashioned and not use to the loose nature of blogging.
I am not a Bruin. I did not go to UCLA. If you did, I envy you. But I am a HUGE Bruins fan and have been for as long as I can remember. I will be listening Saturday (I can’t watch because the game is on ESPNU) and reading everything I can the next day. I hope we are both happy Saturday and if we’re not I’ll be disappointed. Either way, I’ll be there in spirit for the passionately rooting for the Bruins.
Go Bruins!

richramus

by richramus on Sep 25, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concisely put Nestor...and good point Fox 71

The L.A. Times lets its AGENDA get in the way of reporting!

by GogetemBruins on Sep 25, 2008 7:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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