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Part Of The Deal (& Keeping Faith)

This is one of those games that is going to have my stomach tied up in knots all weekend.

Bruins led by the come back of Kahlil Bell gave everything they have ...

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... but they fall just short, losing a heart breaker to a determined Fresno State team 31-36. Here is the box score and quick AP recap.

I know I am going to think about that holding call in first kick off return all weekend.

I know I am going to think of about that Marlon Moore punt return for TD when not a single Bruin touched him all weekend.

I know I am going to think about two aggressive coaching decisions and about Coleman (who had an amazing afternoon) all weekend and wonder what if.

I know I am also going to think about how the Fresno State offense carved up our D under neath and sliced diced our young defense, and racked up one clock eating (and demoralizing) drive after another.

But you know what ... it is all good. There is nothing fun about close losses. I don't believe in moral victories. But this afternoon's heartbreak hopefully will be an inspiration for this team to work even harder, stick together, and turn up their intensity and focus another notch to come back and get it done next weekend.

I will have lot more on this game tomorrow when I can gather my thoughts. But before I go, I am going to not only urge patience, but I am also going to ask everyone to stop pointing the fingers at our defense. Those kids and coaches have done their fair share of heavy lifting last three years when they had to carry the team. Yes, they had a rough day, but I truly believe it's part of the same growing process for a young team, which the offense has gone through on the other side.

I can see the signs ... of a young team putting it together bit by bit. But it is going to take a lot of time. But that' part of the deal of a rebuilding process resulting from a decade long mediocre (or some would say nonexistent) leadership at the top of the program. We will get there ... but it will take time.

Thread it up my friends and keep the faith.

GO BRUINS.

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I am out of patience with DeWayne Walker.

I was hoping against hope that Neuheisel saw something in DW that I did not in January. It appears we would have been better off to let DW leave with whatever recruits were going to leave with him and get an honest to goodness DC who could coach up our defense.

Look at what Bob Palcic is doing with nothing! Sure it took him 4 weeks, but there was steady improvement from the BYU game to the Arizona game to today. What do we see with DW? A whole lot of the same, no pass rush and no “fire in the belly” and a very sickening “surrender” mentality at the end of halves. I want to call this the la défense de Bruin it’s been so bad this year!!

Don’t forget how close the Bruins were to winning the Tennessee game IN REGULATION and how close they were to blowing it by almost surrendering a TD to Tennessee. Had Fulmer & Clawson grown a brain in the 4th quarter and run right at the Bruins we’d be looking at 0-4 right now. I sincerely hope Neuheisel is putting aside some time every week to review some solid DC candidates for ’09.

by Seanny Rotten on Sep 27, 2008 5:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Totally agree!

Palcic does not get mentioned enough! We always talk about the “Three-Headed-Monster” but so far the D has just been monstrously bad and looks to be getting worse. We had no business getitng torched like that against Fresno

The Offense, on the other hand has shown steady improvement in all areas. Chow’s schemes are being implemented well but Walker has all the talent on his side of the ball but just can’t deliver

by BruinsWin on Sep 27, 2008 5:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think it's that simple Seanny

This is coming from someone who have had serious reservations about DW (as a candidate for a HC).

The problem we have right now on defense is we don’t have a lot of speed and size in our front-7 except for the Killer Bs and Reggie Carter. I’d like to see Ayers get more and more time over Hale, who is having a rough time.

And our CBs are young and inexperienced. The talent Walker recruited last two years, they will take another year or two to mature. So I am not ready to give up on DW as a decent DC yet. I think he has had some great games. He has had some clunkers too. But I think there is a chance he could grow into a very good to elite DC, if we give him a little room. And I am more than willing to be patient for at least couple of more seasons with DW.

GO BRUINS.

by Nestor on Sep 27, 2008 5:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Our defense lost the game today. But I’m not that mad about it or calling for Walker’s head yet. After so many games in the last few years where the offense’s ineptness let down the defense, we were due for the reversal to happen eventually.

I’m disappointed that UCLA didn’t win, but I’m not nearly as ticked off as I was after the last two games. I have some hope for the rest of the season now — I didn’t have that before today.

by gilbert on Sep 27, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But Nestor

Where on Earth is this D going? We’ve seen a D that is solid against pro-style offenses and struggles against spreads to one that just sucks in general and can’t be counted on to hold on 3rd down.

As for the CB situation, I think that’s one of our bright spots. ATV is a very experienced Senior and while Michael Norris isn’t very experienced he’s still a Redshirt Senior. He’s had more than enough time to absorb DW’s coaching philosophy and become familiar with the defensive schemes. And Austin Collie publicly embarassed ATV two weeks ago in Provo and neither have showed me much this whole year.

I really, really wish I was as optimistic as you, but I just don’t see the progress. The only defenders I see showing any sort of talent or improvement are the linemen. The LB corps is a joke and the DB’s are completely mercurial, up one week completely down the next.

by Seanny Rotten on Sep 27, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The D is going to improve

thanks to DW. I was on hand to watch nearly all of the games in 2005, and I was less than impressed with our defense. Enter DW, and suddenly the defense is as good as any in the country. Perhaps the players simply benefited from experience, but I personally believe that DW had a lot to do with it. I was completely opposed to DW as a HC, but I have no doubts about his abilities to coach the defense.

I know that people have gone over and over this, but many of the defensive struggles can be explained by two factors. First, except for today, the poor offense has caused the defense to be on the field for unreasonable amounts of time. I firmly believe that any defense would be breaking under the circumstances that our D has been forced to play. Second, with the exception of ATV, we have far younger players in our secondary, meaning that DW is unable to use the high-risk, high-reward plays that he used successfully for the past two years. In fact, after the Tennessee game, it was made clear to all of us that CRN told DW not to call high risk plays because he felt that the offense couldn’t make up for any risks that didn’t pay off on defense.

With that in mind, remember that DW has recruited a very talented secondary. We just can’t expect them to go from high school level to players that can stop Fresno State or BYU in just a few months. It’ll take a couple years, as will the offense. But when the offense finally comes around, I’d be shocked if the defense isn’t there to back it up.

by truebruin on Sep 27, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just One Little Thing...

and, sincerely, no insult to you intended, but…clearly, our OL isn’t “nothing.” Are they all headed for the NFL? No, probably not. But, they are not “nothing.” They are Bruins, they are busting their asses for this team and our school, they are getting better and better—they’re not out getting arrested for raping women and fighting with cops in their spare time, they don’t have mysterious diamond earrings, cell phone accounts, SUV’s and plasma TV’s… I’m super proud of them, those guys are my Bruins, and I think that’s about as far from nothing as you can get.

Three years from now, they may well turn out to be the most experienced OL in college football.

(I’m reasonably certain Palcic doesn’t think they’re “nothing”, either.)

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 28, 2008 7:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kevin Love

was at today’s game

by ryebreadraz on Sep 27, 2008 5:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Nice

That is great to hear.

by Nestor on Sep 27, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Improvent of course

but how do you explain the glaring difference in improvement between the offense and defense other than coaching? Total defensive breakdown has been the hallmark of DW. I’m curious who is he going to throw under the bus this time around, like he did to Verner the first game.

by brewinz on Sep 27, 2008 10:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

getting late

meant to reply to above thread

by brewinz on Sep 27, 2008 10:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jrue Holiday too

Can’t WAIT to see him in a Bruin uniform!

by uclafan11 on Sep 27, 2008 11:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I KNOW

I am counting it down too! I can’t WAIT! I have heard that he an Collison look like they’ve been playing together for years. I love football, but I am ready for the beautiful part of the year where we get both!

GO BRUINS!!!

by uclafan11 on Sep 27, 2008 11:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT!!

I, too, cannot WAIT!! Can we get a countdown ticker on the home page?

Also, I’m thinking about our women’s team and our exciting new coach. Rye, any thoughts about this year’s team?

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 28, 2008 6:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ooops, Just Found It.

Sorry. (That’s pretty small print for an old gal like me.)

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 28, 2008 6:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Declining the Holding Penalty

There was a lot of criticism of the decision to refuse the holding penalty, with the thought that the decision turned a 4th and 12 FG into a 3rd and 22 TD. It was the defense that turned the 3rd and 22 longer FG into a TD.

At the time, we were trading FG’s. Fresno State had only one 3rd and longer than 5 without SPTR help up to that point, and that conversion was on Fresno State’s 1st drive of the game.

In hindsight, the decision looks terrible, but at the time and based on the defense’s ability up to that point to stop 3rd and longs, it should have turned out better.

by islandbruin on Sep 27, 2008 5:39 PM PDT   0 recs

typo

2nd paragraph should read Fresno State had only converted one 3rd and longer than 5…

by islandbruin on Sep 27, 2008 5:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree that

you should judge coaching decisions by the facts available to you at the time of the decision, not how things ended up. I think Neuheisel thought on 3rd and 22, the MOST his D would give up is 15 yards, he was probably looking at them giving up between 0-5 yards. To think Fresno would go from 3rd and 22 to TD is insane and I thought the guys calling the game on ABC were overly harsh. It’s easy to say, “Wow. Dumb call, that resulted in a TD, you dummy!”

by Seanny Rotten on Sep 27, 2008 5:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

I want my head coach to be aggressive and decline the penalty there and go for it on most 4th and 1s. Most of the time, declining it works in your favor. Just because it didn’t today doesn’t mean it was a bad decision. It was the right one to make, and CRN was willing to do it even though he knew if it backfired, the blame would go to him. How many coaches never do the risky thing because they want to avoid blame? CRN has shown he’s not one of them.

by gilbert on Sep 27, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still disagree with the call

We moved FS from 32 yards to 42 yards. Let’s assume their field goal kicker is bad (although I do not actually know): he would hit 80% from 32 yards and 50% from 42 yards. But for this what do you gain?

1. They will almost certainly recover SOME of the 10 yards, because it is unlikely that UCLA will press their receivers and bring our safeties up in a blitz.
2. They might get first down.
3. They might get a touchdown.
4. You might have a stupid penalty that gives them a first down or some yards and another shot.
5. You might have a legitimate penalty that gives them a first down or some yards and another shot.

by dokein on Sep 27, 2008 6:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's called playing the odds

What are the odds they get a TD on that play? VERY low
What are the odds they get a 1st down on that play? Also very low
What are the odds they drop a pass or get sacked and have to kick it long? 25?
What are the odds they recover some yards that play? 50 – 60? If that happens you have the same situation you have now and they kick it.

The odds were stacked in favor of UCLA on that play and so Rick took the penalty and played the odds. I totally support call. The D just choked.

by BruinsWin on Sep 27, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your analysis is one-sided

In any cost-benefit analysis you have to consider BOTH the cost AND the benefit. If they were going to attempt a 42 yard FG and accepting the penalty could make it a 52 yard FG, I would completely support the decision because you are right-it is NOT likely that they get a first down. However, EVEN WITH the accepted penalty it is a measly 42 yard FG. Essentially you are risking things for almost no gain!

Furthermore, I don’t think the chances are that small. As you know, there is also the chance that the PAC-10 refs make a dumb call that results in an automatic first down. You have to also consider that the strength of FS has never been their defense but rather their offense—a relatively talented quarterback with a handful of relatively talented receivers.

UCLA stood to gain almost nothing from taking a risk. If I were to ask whether you wanted to bet your life against a dollar—and you have a 99.9% chance of winning the dollar—you would not take that bet, even though the odds are “stacked in your favor”.

by dokein on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

I have a feeling if you did a statistical analysis, given FS’s performance against UCLA up to that point, and estimating the chances of making that field goal at different ranges (again you could find and use that kicker’s past performance) you would find it not a good decision to decline that penalty.

by gradstudentbruin on Sep 27, 2008 9:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Looking up the stats,

Goessling, FS’s kicker this season is 5/6 in 30-39 range and 0/1 in 40-49 range. The one piece of data we have in the 40-49 range comes from a missed 47-yarder against Wisconsin.

Not a lot of data here but I would consider it a conservative estimate to put his chances at 42 yards at only 50%. Combined with the high probability that FS is going to gain at least some yards on 3rd down, it just doesn’t seem worth it at all.

by gradstudentbruin on Sep 27, 2008 9:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for looking up the statistics

In the absence of solid statistics demonstrating that he is a poor FG kicker (he had two FGs missed at 50+ yards but that is normal), we cannot ASSUME that he will have a hard time with a 42 yarder (best to assume he is a Div 1A average unless we have reason to believe otherwise).

Therefore we would need to hit them behind the line in order to really decrease their chances of missing a FG. Since we had not been getting pressure on their quarterback AT ALL, it is not worth lining that risk up against the added risks of either a big play or a penalty call.

by dokein on Sep 27, 2008 9:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Been watching him kick since High School

He is a really, really good kicker. He missed three field goals against Wisconsin that really cost them a lot but a 42 yarder for this kid is nothing. The way I have known him to kick made the difference between 42 yards and 32 yards seem negligible.

by turs12 on Sep 28, 2008 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Low odds?

And the way the Fresno running game has been walking all over our defense, I thought the odds were very high that they could convert or get close enough for a field goal. The touchdown was just maddening because I was expecting a conversion or field goal, not a fullblow touchdown.

The way the defense was playing, I would not have trusted them with much, especially not by taking a risky call.

by bruinharry on Sep 27, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't matter much

It seemed to be an odd decision to accept the penalty and give Fresno another down to potentially score a TD. Although they did, in the final analysis it didn’t matter. As I recall, after scoring 6 points, Fresno gave 2 points back to the Bruins on a botched extra point. This is a four point score compared to the presumed 3 point field goal. The difference in the game was 5 pts. Kurt Streeter of LATIMES seems to think this decision costs us the game. I disagree.

by 808 Bruin on Sep 28, 2008 12:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think it cost us the game,

but it was a mistake. Like all mistakes, it should addressed.

by dokein on Sep 28, 2008 12:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

As the game turned out, Fresno was able to march down the field and eat up over 8 min of clock on the final drive. It looked like they could have easily scored again at the end of the game, ultimately taking a knee. So the final score being only 5 point differential was deceptive. The fumble just before that was the killer.

by Give me a B... on Sep 28, 2008 12:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The 2 point runback

The 2-point runback came after Fresno State’s next touchdown, so the accepted penalty was a 4 point difference at that point in time.

I agree with other posters above that the risk outweighed the reward at that point in the game. But what disappointed me more was how bad our defensive call was. Given the fact that it was 3rd and 22 and Fresno State certainly didn’t want to give up more field position for the FG or challenge down field at a time when the Bruins knew they had to go deep for a first down, why didn’t Walker think a screen was a good possibility? I was in the stands yesterday, and there were a few people sitting around me saying, “Watch the screen” as the Bulldogs came to the line of scrimmage. Walker should have had a better call for that play.

Regardless, I agree with Nestor’s first line – this game will have my stomach tied up in knots. I know it is going to be a tough season, but it still hurts, especially when the game was there for the taking.

by McNown to Farmer on Sep 28, 2008 7:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gotta have faith

I walked out of the Rose Bowl today, disappointed that we lost, but at the same time happy with the progress our team has shown. We looked like a college football team out there today.

by bruinscv on Sep 27, 2008 5:48 PM PDT   0 recs

yes, i have the same feelings. Disappointment with the loss but hope for the future. Being on the field as a ball boy, I have been able to see the coaching staff’s decisions and players’ attitudes up close. There is great chemistry right now. The players remain hopeful and focused. Just give it time. Our mistakes will decrease. We got unlucky with the outcome of some gutsy decisions. In the end, I think they show confidence in this team. We have to bleed a little before we are victorious.

by podas okus Achilleus on Sep 27, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am very encouraged

I detest losses, but I thought we played our guts out. If we had punched in that last TD (instead of the fumble), I think we would have won.

I saw a ton of progress and I think this team is going to just get better and better.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 27, 2008 5:54 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't think

that I have ever been so upbeat upon walking out of the Rose Bowl after a hugely disappointing loss. Played our guts out, indeed. TA played out of his mind. Moline was tough and steady. Coleman played like a junior. On that last drive, Craft conveyed a Joe Montana or Tom Brady-like command. He ran; he handed off; he threw. His body language seemed to say “Come on, men. We’re gonna score.”

Disappointments with penalties and fumbles aside, I found much to be buoyant about. Fresno St. is a physical, athletic, and very well-coached team. And, we’re a young, inexperienced, and undersized team. We not only stood toe to toe with them, we came within a turn of events of beating them.

by Bruinut on Sep 28, 2008 9:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well said

I wasn’t there, but I don’t think this was quite the victory FSU should brag about too loudly.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 29, 2008 5:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

progress

looked like a group of guys developing into a football team today. coleman looks good (despite the fumble). entertaining game.

this ain’t our year. not sure why we’re quite this bad. but so it goes, and today i saw some hope for next season.

by jjreicher on Sep 27, 2008 6:22 PM PDT   0 recs

I still believe!!

the thing I hang my hat on is:

The performance against Arizona was better than BYU
and the performance against Fresno State was better than Arizona.

Things are trending in the right direction. Its gonna be a tough season, but unlike any of the past 5 years, we will actually be a better team in December then we were in September. That is the progress I am looking for.

In regards to the penalty, I totally agree with CRN on declining. A 42 yard field goal is much more difficult than a 32, and you have to trust your defense not to give up 22 yards on a down.

Keep faith in DW. He has young players, and they will get better, and as they do, his schemes will get more aggressive. I think this whole team is a work in progress. If they are not demonstratively better by the end of the year, than I think we can talk about replacing him.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Sep 27, 2008 6:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Just back home from the Bowl

and cannot believe the Fresno State quotes such as “we beat the mighty Bruins”. They are truly delusional. With the inexperience and injuries on our team, to come within a fumble of beating a top 25 team is amazing. The Bulldog QB was excellent, and killed us on 3rd/4th downs with precision passing. I don’t see the Bulldog defense stopping BYU. As CRN said to the crowd, we are improving! Can’t we get a kick off kicker, our guy only got one to the end zone.

by Vanman7475 on Sep 27, 2008 6:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Progress

If we play like this against the PAC 10, we should be bowl eligible, barely. The defense had to deal with an experienced QB and offense. One that scores a lot. I like what I saw.

by likasahente on Sep 27, 2008 6:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Probably right

It seems really odd to think that Fresno St. is probably better than most of the Pac-10, but this year a close loss to Fresno might actually be a sign of success to come in the rest of the year. We still have exactly the same conference record as sc…

by jaffa on Sep 27, 2008 6:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bowl Eligible vs Beat $C

Given the state of the program at the moment, bowl eligible (6-6) might seem like a worthy goal. Going 5-3 over the last 8 games would show a positive turn for the future. If by bowl-eligible, the thought was 7-5, that would be an even better 6-2 drive to the end of the season.

However, going once again to the Las Vegas Bowl or the Emerald Bowl doesn’t really do much for our recruiting. The future of the program depends in large part on once again getting our share of the Southern California recruits. The most direct path is to beat $C.

We would get back faster on the recruiting front by going 5-7 and beating $SC, than by going 6-6 and losing to them. Obviously, going 500 or better and beating $C is the way to go, but if we have to choose, I would take the win over $C instead of the 500 season.

Luckily, once CRN has eliminated this ugly hangover from the Dorrell era (bare cupboard, etc), we won’t have to think about choices like this. But for this year…

by islandbruin on Sep 28, 2008 7:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps It Is Because I Don't Know This Game As Well

as some of you, but what worries me about our defense isn’t really the lack of size, talent, experience—we all know what they have and don’t have, and so do they. I sincerely don’t see them quitting or surrendering, I certainly don’t feel they aren’t trying. I’m not worried about the decision Coach Neu made on the penalty because that is his job—to make the difficult strategic decisions, and to do so quickly and efficiently. Thank God we have a coach who knows how to do that.

What worries me is the apparent lack of a plan for defending against the pass, and the absence of adjustments in our defense during this game. In short, it seems to me that the preparation and coaching isn’t progressing for these kids over time the way it has been in our offense. If something doesn’t work for three quarters, try something else—have something else to try. If it doesn’t work out—a la the penalty decision—so what?

My impression is that these kids really want to win, and they will try anything asked of them in order to do so. We’re watching what can happen when Coaches Neu and Chow continue to trust Craft even though he admittedly makes mistakes—we are watching the ground-floor creation of a confident, play-making quarterback. He has shown us moments of absolute fearless brilliance. I doubt he would have any of those moments if our coaches weren’t trusting him in spite of the mistakes and the losses.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Sep 27, 2008 7:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Fresno State fans-

“We beat the mighty Bruins”. Maybe I’m taking this loss especially hard because I lived if Fresno during the David Carr years and their win over us in 2003(I expected that loss given our coach). Their fans were saying they should be in the PAC-10 and could compete with PAC-10 schools. They beat us when we had no leadership(Dorrell) in 2003 and today in a rebuidling year. But if we are to play Fresno State in the future, I am reassured that CRN and his staff won’t lose to Fresno State or any other non-BCS school in the near future. Congratulations to the Bulldogs but remind their fans they have to go back to the armpit of California. Keep the faith Bruins.

by bruin1998 on Sep 27, 2008 7:45 PM PDT   0 recs

why in the world would we ever play fresno state again?

I don’t see anything in it for us…

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Sep 27, 2008 8:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No more fresno state

but let’s stay away from Utah as well…

by truebruin on Sep 27, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ultimately

this program should be at a place where we fear no one.

by Give me a B... on Sep 28, 2008 1:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm more upbeat than down

It was encouraging to see the offense move the ball and score. I was frustrated our defense couldn’t stop them on 3rd and 22, but it also came up some pretty big stops. We just didn’t come up with enough of them to win the game.

Hats off to Fresno State. They played an inspired game, and as much as I hate losing to FSU, they are a ranked team. And, ranked for a reason. We need to keep objective about this loss. Sure it hurts, but we played well. We are going to get better.

And I take it as a compliment that the FSU fans felt the need to chant “We beat the Mighty Bruins” we are not ranked but their desire to knock of the “big guys” tells you something about how much they wanted to beat us. I would like to create a second rivalry by playing Fresno State every year. it would do our program some good to have a “big brother” relationship which we are honor bound to defend against a younger, hungrier program. I applaud their “anytime, anywhere, anyone” attitude. That is the kind of desire it takes to elevate a program as Pat Hill has done in a short time. It will also do our strength of schedule some good in years that we beat them, and they in turn knock off some other BCS giant which they will do regularly.

A look at the history of teams with more than one rival will show year in which they get upset and lose a shot at the National Championship. But, it will also reveal some great games in the history of the game in which they win both rivalry games and get vaulted into the NC game because of it. Bring on Fresno State.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Sep 27, 2008 8:28 PM PDT   0 recs

the same

i’m like MexiBruin, in that I’m not all that upset over this loss. it’s not to say i expect mediocrity or that i want to lose or anything, but I’m accepting the fact that this is a rebuilding year that we should use to give everyone who needs experience, experience.

that being said, just seeing us score touchdowns, move the ball, make runs—it all made me happy. we kept it close, and though we didn’t win, we had a respectable loss. if we’re gonna lose, i want to lose like this.

and to what you folks were saying earlier in this thread, you’re absolutely correct. i found myself feeling exactly opposite than what i thought i’d be feeling all season this past summer—i was waiting for the offense to get on the field to take care of business because the defense was nonexistent for most of the game. for a guy who got a raise, was supposedly getting looks from other schools to be a head coach but honored us with being our DC, he needs to really pull it together (it’s hard for me to really take DW to task because of the soft spot in my heart for my hometown of Arcadia, Ca, as he lives there and his son goes to my alma mater of Arcadia High).

At any right, I think we’ll be alright. For some reason, i just see CRN as the guy who’s going to be patrolling the sidelines in a year or two of a team that is feared and taking care of business on a weekly basis. it’s there, it really is.

by deepdish on Sep 27, 2008 9:04 PM PDT   0 recs

an added note

i love pat hill and what he’s done at fresno state. that aforementioned attitude of “any place, anywhere, any time,” endlessly playing on the road and putting up a fight every time, never complaining about anything about being in the WAC, it’s really admirable. i especially loved Wisconsin coming to play at Fresno this year as well. it’s a nice gesture of respect to a much smaller school for busting their ass year in and out taking a fight anywhere they can.

by deepdish on Sep 27, 2008 9:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Pat Hill is a whining bitter angry man

who has nothing good to say about his opponents, is always looking for ways to feel disrespected, and criticized our players for not being willing to visit fresno.

His perpetual martyr routine is old, as is his constant crying about how little respect his program gets.

I think he is a grade A jerk.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Sep 28, 2008 12:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

also love Pat Hill's attitude.

I’m glad he’s not a head coach in the PAC-10. With his NFL experience (offensive line coach under Bill Belichick)and his Southern California roots, he could probably recruit many good SoCal players. And he would have no problem recruiting in the central valley. That would be scary.

by bruin1998 on Sep 27, 2008 9:34 PM PDT   0 recs

Keep it up BRUINS!!!

Team is getting better and I very much respect the effort.Just keep it up and all will be well!

Up next WSU!

by GogetemBruins on Sep 27, 2008 9:48 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't see a lot to criticize

in today’s effort. Of course I am not blind. I saw how we failed time and again to keep Fresno State from converting on third and fourth down, but I just thought that their efficiency on offense was remarkable. I also thought that they were picking on one particular Bruin defender a lot, and that something has to be done about that. But I will leave just what needs to be done to the coaches. The Bruin offense, though, was just simply transformed from what we saw last week against Arizona. Congratulations to the coaches and players. And the defense had some fine moments as well. So, all in all, I think we should be pretty happy. Now, if we can maintain the improvements and continue the process, this season may turn out reasonably well after all.

by ReineSeite on Sep 27, 2008 10:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Remeber, this is a marathon now.

We gotta look at this program as a work in progress for the next 2 or 3 years, and not just at the W-L record from week to week.

There are many issues right now – 3rd down defense, pass rush, QB play, punt coverage, kick off distance and field position, to name just a few – that need addressing. And it will take some time to get these fixed.

The best thing now is that the OL is improving. This is the single most important factor for our (or any) team. The improving OL will begin to establish a running game. This will allow us to control the pace of the game, and wear down the other team’s defense. It will set up the passing game so we can throw when we want to (esp important given that we are starting a 3rd string, JUCO transfer QB) and not because we have to. It will give our QB time and lanes to throw, and a good QB becomes a deadly QB when he has time to throw. It will lessen the time our defense is on the field, and if we can get a lead and force the other team to play catch-up, will make our defense more effective by making the opposing offense one-dimensional.

I give huge credit to Coach Palcic for his efforts so far, and to a young but gutty O-Line that is getting better each week. I see this as a sign that things are going the right way.

If we only watch the scoreboard, this will be a long year. But if we are patient and keep an eye on the long term picture, and watch the improvements that we are beginning to see already, it will be much more encouraging. And in a couple years…

greg in denver

by gbruin on Sep 27, 2008 11:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Well, our Girls XC team beat Fresno...

At the Stanford Invite Saturday, the UCLA girls cross-country team placed 5th and the Fresno girls placed about 30th. I know those red-clad farmers must be devastated. Even a win by the FB team at the Rose Bowl over the mighty Bruins won’t be able to console them now.

Easy money and faithless women, red-eye whiskey for the pain...

by rich87 on Sep 28, 2008 5:19 AM PDT   0 recs

Interesting

I was wondering where the XC thread was. Who beat us? Maybe I dont want to know. 30th for the Red Wave? That must be pretty close to last. After all, how many teams could there be.

Anybody else elated that DG didn’t make DW, HCDW? I am. Oh, and does anybody know where Bell was in the fourth quarter? Not blaming Coleman but a Freshman over a Senior in crunch time? Injury to Bell?

Two years from now we will run the table. I do believe the football monopoly in LA is ……almost….over. I have complete faith in HCRN.

by popopapa on Sep 28, 2008 7:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

4th and short in 1st Half

What I didn’t understand about that play was we had 25 seconds on the play clock and 2 timeouts with only about 4 minutes left to go in the half. I thought for sure Chow would call for a hard count and if they don’t bite call a time out and either kick a field goal or setup another play. Then I was shocked when A) they snapped the ball and B) they handed the ball off about 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage!
Am I wrong here?
Fresno then went back and scored another touchdown.
But hey, I trust Chow’s judgment. He’s been the best at what he does for a number of years now, and he probably saw some things that the casual observer (myself) might have missed.

by bruin8uclap on Sep 28, 2008 1:02 PM PDT   0 recs

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