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Ben Ball Roundup: Matchup Problem v. Zona?

Remember all the “self-motivational” rhetoric coming out of Tucson from about a month ago when Arizona’s Nic Wise went public with their locker room pep talk about how they “can beat UCLA in Pauley Pavilion” and “at home”?

Well all of that might have been just innocent pep talk on the part of Wise and rest of his Wildcats, but after they went public with it following their upset win over (then #4 ranked) Gonzaga, the message was received by the Ben Ball warriors. UCLA coaches made sure that all of our guys saw that note and post it in the Bruin locker room. In return, our guys are not saying much and saying the right things in public. MR is treating like “any other game”:

"All season long they've been talking about how they want to come into Pauley Pavilion and beat us, and that's just one of our goals, to protect home court," Bruins wing Michael Roll said. "(Coaches) put it on our lockers this week. It's kind of like a chip on our shoulder. People think they can come in and do that so easy ... but we're just going to prepare like it's any other game, and treat it like that."

And JH is getting used to dealing with having a target on the UCLA jersey every game:

For freshman guard Jrue Holiday, the bulletin board material drove home something that he has been hearing since the start of the season.

"Coach tells us every game that every team is going to give us their best game," he said. "And every game we have to come back with something strong."

Speaking of saying strong, Coach Howland is “anticipating” that ND will start again this Thursday night. In his comments reported in the LA Howland gave his take on how ND has “closed” the defensive gap between him and JK:

Keefe is considered the better defender, though Howland said "I think that Nik has closed the gap."

On offense, the coach says he believes Dragovic represents a big man who can dribble, move without the ball and shoot from outside.

"He gives us another threat where he can be another double-figure scorer," Howland said. "You've got to worry about him."

Yet Howland made it clear he will not hesitate to go with JK if ND doesn’t keep up the intensity on defensive:

Howland said Dragovic won't continue to play if he doesn't defend well.

"His roots and upbringing were to stand in a zone over there in Serbia waiting to get the ball on offense so he could go shoot … no offense to the Serbian basketball," Howland said.

Gotta love the candor.

ND and rest of his team-mates will need to stay alert against an Arizona team that is capable of offensive explosion with two players in Pac-10’s top5 in scoring average per game (Jordan Hill and Chase Budinger). Hill is going to be a huge headache just like Gibson was heading into this past game. It will be imperative for AA2 (and DG) to play smart and in control while not giving up ground on defense.

It will be interesting to see what Howland throws to contain Budinger. My impression is that Howland will ask JH to take on Budinger because he might be too athletic for JS to defend. But rye brings up a good point that Budinger’s height advantage could be a detriment for JH. Rye is right in that we can’t afford to let Chase get in any kind of rhythm because if he gets in rhythm he will become an even tougher matchup. I think the key will be for our guys to play aggressive and physical early on. Our guards will have to do everything they can to make Wise as uncomfortable as possible forcing him to hurry in their offensive sets.

Per the reports linked above ML is practicing this week and he would have been available if Howland called his number last Sunday night. Hopefully it was a matter of Howland using extra caution allowing him to get fully healthy. We can really use ML’s quickness and athleticism on both ends of the court on Thursday night.

GO BRUINS.

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JM?

Have I missed something? He’s not been in the discussion for a week or so.

I thought he was sick last weekend. Is that right? Is he injured?

I think this weeks games are two that having him in for a while would really help.

Status, please.

Thanks.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 14, 2009 5:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

From the LAT aricle linked in the roundup above

Here you go:

Freshman center J’mison Morgan is making his way back slowly from a groin injury and was expected to participate in about 30 minutes of practice Tuesday.

Again the roundups I write up so fast are not meant to be exhaustive. If I didn’t cover something, please click on the links. It’s probably there. If not then there is always the Google news search. :-) Cheers.

by Nestor on Jan 14, 2009 5:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops!

Looked at my message and the “status please” seemed a little bossy. Sorry.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 14, 2009 5:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The height issue shouldn't be a problem

JH did an outstanding job of shutting down DeMar DeRozan during the second half of our victory over the chumps at Second Choice. According to the trOJans’ roster, DeRozan checks in at 6’7" and 220 lbs. The Mildcats’ roster lists Chase "Me First" Budinger at 6’7" and 218 lbs.

Sure, JH knew DeRozan’s game from their years of playing with and against one another, but I believe that DeRozan is the more athletic player. Given the similarity in size, if JH could handle DeRozan, I think he’d be the better match up against Budinger, given that JS has struggled against long, athletic small forwards (including DeRozan during the first half of the U$C game).

by Bellerophon on Jan 14, 2009 7:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Defense by committee

Just like anything in Ben Ball, it will be defense by committee (i.e. strong team defense) on Budinger. The problem with the DeRozan comparison is that he is not really 6’7". Every time I have seen him play or listed before the last game (coincidentally) he has been listed at 6’5" and just looking at him you can tell that he is a lot closer in height to JS than JK. That said, I expect to see JH start on Budinger with JS taking over when JH is out. A wild card might be to put ML on him for a little bit just to give Budinger a different look and maybe fouling him a few times (ML does have a tendency to be a little foul-prone) just to mess up his rhythm.

by bruinponcho on Jan 14, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Keefe?

The last couple of times we played the mildcats Keefe had the job of covering Budinger, and he did a pretty solid job. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Keefe in at some points for defensive stops.

When we spanked them at Pauley last year on National TV, Collison was the player of the game. His quick hands ground Arizona’s ball penetration to a halt. There were times last year when they couldn’t even get past mid court. That will be the match up to see, Collison v wise.

Victory or until next year!

by ncrpz2 on Jan 14, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DeRozan is more athletic

getting to the basket and moving side to side, but Budinger can out jump him and elevates higher on his jump shot. Don’t forget that Budinger was one of the nation’s best volleyball players in high school. Another thing is Budinger is craftier and getting a little space to elevate on the jump shot.

While DeRozan was very, very impressive on Sunday, it took him a few dribbles to create enough space to elevate on his jump shot. Budinger can do it on one dribble or a jab step. It’s just a matter of experience and Budinger has been working on those types of things at a higher level longer than DeRozan.

I think Budinger will do a better job shooting over JH than DeRozan did and JH won’t be able to get the job done alone. We’re going to need a complete team effort with well timed doubles and traps to create havoc and get Budinger out of a rhythm. We know from past experience that Budinger can be frustrated and if you can shut him down early he’ll go into the tank for the rest of the game so the first 10 minutes wil be huge.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Luck

Good luck to the Bruins this Thursday, though it should appear that my Wildcats will need it significantly more than the Bruins. I’m not here to talk pre-game trash or anything like that. Something entirely different actually.

I started up an Arizona Wildcats & PAC-10 Basketball blog a few weeks ago and I’m currently looking to connect with at least one blog from the other 9 conference schools. Hopefully it will be something that both sides can benefit from by providing inside analysis and more team specific information. Check out the blog and let me know what you think and if you’re interested.

-NaterB
http://sportscapsule.wordpress.com
PS – I have a game preview up of the Arizona/UCLA game check it out and feel free to make comments. But please, be respectful I’m not big on trash talking. Just enjoy the game and like to break it down.

by NaterB on Jan 14, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

At first glance

It’s a beautiful website. I haven’t read everything but the commentary appears to be intelligent and respectful.

by Barnes2JJ on Jan 14, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My only issue

Calling AA2 a “thug.” That doesn’t work for me and it ruins the body of work. At least for me.

by Nestor on Jan 15, 2009 4:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I missed that

A “thug?” That’s a ridiculous thing to call him. I don’t get it.

by Barnes2JJ on Jan 15, 2009 5:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I, too, would like to know where that comes from

In 3 1/2 years I have not once seen an example of anything approaching “thug” behavior. Being foul prone is not thug behavior. Playing with more energy than a 6’8" player should have is not thug behavior. Taking charges is not thug behavior. As far as I know, he’s one of the most impressive members of the team with some of the highest aspirations. The only thing I can think of is that one time he threw a ball into someone’s face. Oh wait, that was someone else doing it to him. Nevermind.

Seems like respect from BN comes after an explanation of this absurd characterization.

by Tydides on Jan 15, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

In fact, the guy is a total class act, on and off the court. He’s well-spoken and intelligent and plays with a ton of effort, every time.

NaterB, any explanation?

by Barnes2JJ on Jan 15, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thug by play style

When I was referring to Aboya as a thug, I am referring to him as an extremely physical player. He’s a hard worker, and uses his strength to play a physical brand of basketball. On no level do I mean that in a negative way.

The reason why he gets labeled “thug” in my book is because he relies on his physical strength on the defensive end and isn’t as talented or athletic as many of the other post-players in the nation. The propensity towards foul trouble is a clear indication of that fact.

by NaterB on Jan 15, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous

“The propensity towards foul trouble is a clear indication of that fact.” No, the propensity towards fould trouble is a clear indication of hustle, especially for someone who “isn’t as talented or athletic”, as you yourself believe.

If you want a number to use to represent “thuggery”, take a look at FLAGRANT fouls. You’ll likely find that Aboya hasn’t had any (or at most, one or two) in his four years of playing at UCLA.

Then again, perhaps English is your second or third language and you don’t really know the definition of “thug.”

by bornagainbruin on Jan 15, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's more of generation difference

Older folks use the dictionary definition of thug which comes from Thuggee, an Indian cult of assassins.

The younger generations may be more familar with Tupac Shakur’s use of thug which was someone who struggles through life to make things better for himself.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Jan 15, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Around Here

Thug is used in a very derogatory way around here. We’ve made clear that the poster boy of thug is rey rey.

There is no logical way to stretch that term to include AA2 and then claim that it is not being used in a derogatory way.

And, my sense is that it’s not just the Geezers like me who are complaining. It’s cross generational.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 15, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fouls?

Not this year. With one exception, and that was a VERY poorly called game by the SPTR’s, AA2 has played aggressively without foul trouble.

Thug to me connotes rey rey. Never AA2. Never. He is one of the classiest players on the court.

Frankly, you look bad trying to defend the label. Better to say “oops” and move on.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 15, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as we are concerned about match up problems..

I’d still rather be us then them. The standard, from my point of view, has way more match up problems with us then we do with them. Can they stop DC, JH, ND, JS and MR? I think CBH can throw a number of players at Budinger as others previously have pointed out. Would be nice to have JM available to help in the middle if needed, but we do have 10 fouls between AA2 and DG. Play our game plan, play up to our potential, show intensity on both ends of the court, box out, hit free throws and we should be fine. In otherwords…the fundamental basics.

by popopapa on Jan 14, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Paint

Whichever team controls it will come away with the W. Both Hill & AA2 have a history of being foul prone. KL defended and attacked Hill effectively because of his skill set and girth. AA2 obvioulsy is not at KL’s level. However, he has heart. In order to neutralize the advantage that Hill has in the measureables, AA2 will have to play smart and get help from ND when the big on big double comes. It will be essential for the rest of the team to rotate accordingly to be in position to contest perimeter shots should Hill effectively pass out of the double. Also, ND is going to have to come up big this game. Horne is their glue guy. ND needs to keep him off the boards and make him pay on the other end as well.

I’d love nothing more than to continue our streak against the alleged “Standard”.

by BlueReign on Jan 14, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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