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ESPN: UCLA = One Of The Most "Prestigious" Programs In College Football

Bruins check in at number 16 according to the research staffers at WWL:

16. UCLA Bruins
Total points: 738
Positives: UCLA has been a top-20 program in the Prestige Rankings since the '50s, including being tied with Florida State for seventh place in the '80s. The Bruins won a national title in 1954. QB Gary Beban won the Heisman Trophy in 1967. Among Pac-10 schools, only USC gets credit for more conference titles than UCLA, which has 15. The Bruins also have never been on probation.
Negatives: UCLA has just one major bowl berth in the BCS era (since 1998) and hasn't won a major bowl game since the 1988 season (Cotton Bowl versus Arkansas). The Bruins also have suffered three losing seasons since 2003. The BCS era has been downright average for the Bruins, as they sit in 34th in that span. They haven't been lower than 20th in any other decade.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 18th | 1968: 17th | 1978: 16th | 1988: 13th | 1998: 13th
Did you know? The Bruins have four wins over top-ranked teams in the AP poll, which is more than programs like Michigan, Alabama and Nebraska can boast. Only six programs have enjoyed more.

Considering our 4-8 record this past season which was a product of almost a decade of listless and/or listless leadership from mediocre head coaches (resulting into one underachieving season after another since 1998-99), this ranking is pretty amazing.

If anything this kind of assessment only helps to validate the big picture vision CRN has been promoting since his arrival in Westwood. Right now we are going through growing pains after years of neglect and mismanagement of this program. Sure we have suffered some setbacks in the recruiting trails in recent days (while also racking up our share of wins) CRN has us in position to put together another top-25 class that will help him set up the long term foundation for this program. He still has work cut out for him as he knows as well as anyone that he needs to bring in more decent talent who can contribute in the trenches.  Yet the process will take time.

For those who are still bellaching over some recruiting set backs here and there should look up the recruiting saga of Brockman (UW), Hairston (UO), Leunen, (UO), Thompson (UNC), Stepheson (UNC) to name a few. They all crushed many hearts and led to doubting of Coach Howland. I don't offer up those names to make the point that CRN will turn out to be like CBH (even though just like Howland, CRN has put together a staff featuring coaches such as Chow, Palcic (who recently rebuffed an overture from Tedford to join Cal's staff) with great track record and proven credentials). I only offer those names up as datapoints that it is not shocking for good (to great) coaches to suffer setbacks when they are trying their best to pull the program out of total dumps (and arguably UCLA basketball was in a little better situation than UCLA football given the sheer number of athletes involved in recruiting).

Anyway, despite all the obstacles, it's clear that CRN and his staff have the ammo to make the right pitch to reel in good recruits for one of the most prestigious programs in college football. What they will need is for us to afford them the same patience and benefit of the doubt we gave to Howland and his staff.

GO BRUINS.

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Bit surprised myself

Just shows how much history we have in football. This should shut the people up that say we have no tradition in football. Yes, at times it is overshadowed by the tremendous success of the basketball program but the tradition of the FB program can hang with the best in the nation. Stewart Mandel at si.com had something similar where he labeled programs as kings, queens, prince, etc. in the past.

by BlueReign on Jan 21, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There is one error ...

we have been on probation.

In 1981 (or 80, but I think 81) us and SC were both on probation and weren’t allowed to go to a bowl game, so they made up shirts calling the SC-UCLA game the Probation Bowl.

Go Bruins

by Achilles on Jan 21, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

1998 Cotton Bowl

"Negatives: UCLA has just one major bowl berth in the BCS era (since 1998) and hasn’t won a major bowl game since the 1988 season (Cotton Bowl versus Arkansas). "

Now why does the 1988 Cotton Bowl (Aikman vs. Arkansas) count as winning a “major bowl” but the 1998 Cotton Bowl (McNown vs. Texas A & M) not count as one?

by palafox on Jan 21, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

because the Cotton Bowl

was one of the 4 major bowls in 88, but in 98 the BCS had begun and it was no longer as prestigious. Basically the Cotton used to be on the same level as the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta Bowls pre-BCS

by bucknellbruin on Jan 22, 2009 6:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

The 1998 Cotton Bowl was after the 1997 season in which there was no BCS yet. So it was still a major bowl.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Jan 22, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's how ESPN did it

Their scoring system is somewhat arbitrary. But they do explain major bowls thusly:

Berth in one of the major bowls: 10 (points)
Major bowls were defined as every Rose, Orange and Sugar bowl since ’36; every Cotton Bowl from 1940 to ’94 (i.e., from when it started taking the SWC champ until the Cotton was booted from the Bowl Alliance); and every Fiesta Bowl since the ’86 season when the historic No. 1 Miami-vs.-No. 2 Penn State game changed the landscape of college football.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3836130

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by Flapjacks McGurty on Jan 22, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no bcs in '98,

but it was the BOWL ALLIANCE! REMEMBER THAT!? OH GOD LET’S GO BACK TO THAT GOODNESS!!!!

by Seanny Rotten on Jan 28, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The takeaway

We’re entrenched at #16. There’s a pretty big gap between the programs just above and below us:

#13: LSU (926 points)
#14: Georgia (888 points)
#15: Florida (834 points)

#16: UCLA (738 points)

#17: Washington (634 points)
#18: Georgia Tech (610 points)

It’s kind of surprising how consistent we’ve been throughout the decades. It’s also surprising to see how fast Florida has risen:


Through the decades: Through 1958: T-80th | 1968: 51st | 1978: 44th | 1988: 43rd | 1998: 20th

So I figure a couple of national-championship seasons would net us almost enough points to catch up to Florida. Hey, 10 years ago they were 20th and we were 13th . . . it could happen!

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by Flapjacks McGurty on Jan 22, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

One more note about this

Our football history is just not that well known. Maybe it’s overshadowed by our basketball history, or USC, or that we’ve had a bad decade.

Exhibit #1: ESPN made the researchers who compiled this list available for chats each day. I quote from the transcripts of two of these chat sessions:

Will J (Portland, OR): After doing your research, were there any programs rankings that really surprised you?

SportsNation Nick Loucks : I think I thought Penn State would be higher, but all those undefeated seasons without a national title hurt their chances to finish in the Top 10…

UCLA at 16th was also a surprise because I wasn’t as familiar with the Bruins’ strong history before digging up the numbers.

(from http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24625)

SEC homer (Auburn, Ala.): Auburn at No. 21? Surely, your math skills need some work. Why didn’t the Tigers make the top 15?

SportsNation Chris Fallica : They only have the one national title, which weighs heavy. Losing all those points to probation ended up coasting them 39 points. But they got better through the decades. And over the last 20 years they only have the one major bowl, the Sugar Bowl, granted in the season they should have been playing for the national title. But in the BCS era you are ranked seven spots higher than Alabama, which I’m sure you’ll be happy to hear. But they are one of the surprises for me personally, I did not expect them to be ranked lower than Georgia Tech or UCLA.

(from http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24627)

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by Flapjacks McGurty on Jan 22, 2009 10:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Now the third guy chimes in
goose (urbana): were you surprised with any of the outcomes? did any rankings make you rethink the formula?

SportsNation Harold Shelton : I was surprised by a couple of things. I was a little suprised that Alabama didn’t crack the Top 5 and I was surprised that UCLA was as high as they were.

(from http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24626)

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by Flapjacks McGurty on Jan 22, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don't get

why people are so surprised to see UCLA in the Top 20. Aside from the Dorrell years other than 2005 and the current recovery period, the Bruins have been around the top of their conference since the Red Sanders years.

If Donahue or Toledo had managed to win a NC or two, we’d be in the Top Ten easily.

by FreewayBruin03 on Jan 22, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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