Another USC Limo violation?
by Ajax on Jan 26, 2009 3:05 PM PST
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USC picked up Boyd in a limousine during his visit and put him and other recruits up in the downtown L.A. Marriott.
Sound familiar?
Having already told USC he was not interested in taking an official visit, USC assistant Ken Norton Jr. - a former UCLA player - called Price last month and tried to get him to check out the campus on an official visit. After some joking on the phone, Norton asked if Price would prefer to be picked up in a Mercedes-Benz or a Chevy Tahoe, and Price said he jokingly told Norton he preferred the Tahoe, but then declined the trip altogether.
The following day, Price said, he was pulled out of his fourth-period art class by a guidance counselor who informed him a limousine was waiting in front of Crenshaw High for him. When he got to the front, the driver asked Price to get in and they were going to USC.
With school officials declining to release Price without parental permission, Frank Price came to the school. They called Norton, who instructed the two to hop in and come to the campus, despite Brian and Frank repeatedly telling USC coaches they were not interested in taking the trip.
"He didn't get it through his head, and I had to keep on telling him no," said Brian Price, who grew up a USC fan. "I wasn't falling for it. "That wouldn't look right for UCLA. I'm the face of UCLA football right now. I already know I would not be the face of the USC team. Me taking that trip would be giving UCLA a bad name."
After they sent the limo away, both said they have not been contacted by USC
since. USC coaches are not allowed to comment on Price, since he is still a recruitable athlete until he signs.While it's being reported that the use of a limo in recruiting is a violation of NCAA rules, Carroll told the LA Times that the school uses Town Cars, not limos. Price's father is quoted as saying the car was much longer than a limo.
The NCAA is very clear about the use of limousines in recruiting student athletes:
13.5.2 Excessive Entertainment. A member institution may not arrange or permit excessive entertainment of a prospect on the campus or elsewhere (e.g., hiring a band for a dance specifically for the entertainment of the prospect, a chauffeured limousine, a helicopter).
13.5.2.1 General Restrictions. A member institution may pay the prospective student-athlete's actual round-trip transportation costs for his or her official visit to its campus from any location, provided the prospective student-athlete returns to the original point of departure, or if return transportation is provided to the prospective student-athlete's home, educational institution or site of competition, the cost does not exceed round-trip expenses from the prospective student-athlete's original point of departure. Use of a limousine or helicopter for such transportation is prohibited. (Revised: 1/9/06, 5/26/06)
Now, I'm sure this is all a big understanding and that the limo was really a "Towncar. "
Cheat on Peter and Kenny.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Big find, great catch
This is blatant.
If the LA Times doesn’t update this themselves and other traditional media doesn’t pick up on this, we need to inform them ourselves (I’ll help).
If this were a first-time violation, I’d be willing to let it go. But there’s a pattern of this — what’s it called, lack of institutional control?
by gilbert on Jan 26, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LAT Blog updated, Ajax, you called it.
They’re saying it was a Town Car, not a limo now.
How convenient, and not suspicious at all.
by gilbert on Jan 26, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only pattern I see
is the NCAA’s determination to “see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing”
Or is that Sgt. Schultze?
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Jan 26, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone Commented:
“It’s only a violation if USc paid for it. If a bunch member of the football team all give a little for the limo ride and it is no violation. the author assumes USC paid for it.”
Ummm yeah ok. So the football team got their money together that $c paid them and chipped in? Yeah buddy, right.
by uclafan11 on Jan 26, 2009 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That quote
Makes me love Price even more! We could not be more happy to have you as the face of program.
by turs12 on Jan 26, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Again the question has to be asked ...
how would the local media treat this story if it happened under CRN’s watch?
by Nestor on Jan 26, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There must be photographic evidence somewhere.
With as many inexpensive forms of digital photography available, especially cell phones with cameras, I’d expect some photos to exist. There must be a student at the high school or a recruit that took some photos of the limo. How often does a limo pull up at Crenshaw High? I’d think it would be noticed if during school hours. Perhaps there is a student or recruit that is not a USC fan that might be willing to provide such evidence. Anyone have or know kids that were at Crenshaw with Price? Getting a recruit to come forward might be trickier.
by TrueBlueBlood on Jan 26, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ken Norton did this?
At one point in time I was ready for him to come back home. But after all the media reports, I’ve decided he can stay in south central.
And really? We all know $c wouldn’t send a town car to pick up a recruit, they would never stoop to that low of a level. I bet it was one of those stretch navigators.
Victory or until next year!
by ncrpz2 on Jan 26, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Rick is slick, Petey is downright oily
In my best Lionel Hutz voice: Webster’s Dictionary defines “limousine” as :
1 : a large luxurious often chauffeur-driven sedan that usually has a glass partition separating the driver’s seat from the passenger compartment
2 : a large vehicle for transporting passengers to and from an airport
So, if we assume the car in question is large and chauffeured, it could be classified as a limo. The fact that it is not a “stretch” limo or lacking a glass partition should not matter but we are talking semantics here. I would argue that a chauffeured “town car” could accomplish the same thing that a limo would in terms of impressing a recruit. However, I’m biased and I do not really have any precedent from the NCAA to judge this by.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is something that they can weasel out of quite easily. If the NCAA refuses to punish them for allowing their players to get hundreds of thousands of dollars, transactions that at the very least, took place right under their noses, what makes you think that they are going to do anything about this?
My point is that any SUC fan that says anything about Rick being slick is a hypocrite. If you apply their same reasoning in judging CRN, Petey, the humanitarian, the great Caesar of a man, the legend, no, the GOD, is just as oily if not more so.
by Bruins102NCAA on Jan 27, 2009 3:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Please...
…the guidance counselor knows the difference between a “car” and a limo. How insulting to the Prices that USC seems to think that a big fancy car is so impressive to these people that they will instantly change their minds on something about which they have obviously given serious thought and consideration. Besides, the true stomach-turning gall of this story is the very idea that they think they can just send a car—any car— to a kid’s school and have him jump in without the parents’ permission, or even knowledge. Predators stalking.
Price and his Dad sound like pure class to me.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 27, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
can a mod delete my fanshot below,
I posted something earlier, but yours is much more detailed and better!
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jan 27, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You have most favored nation status, silver.
I posted stuff, thought about how stupid it sounded, asked the mods to delete it, and watched it stay prominently displayed for years, thus costing me appointment after appontment to the Supreme Court. You are way, way ahead of me.
by Fox 71 on Jan 27, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Town Car vs Limo...
Last time I checked most Lincolns that are limos, whether they are a stretch or not, are Town Cars. So Cheaty saying that they use Town Cars is really not a denial of the use of a limo at all…
All hail the Mighty Bruins!
by seernst on Jan 28, 2009 10:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just like
“we can’t be beat this year” he says in ’09 …
by Seanny Rotten on Jan 28, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
Here’s a picture of a Lincoln Town Car from google
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 28, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that says stretch limo at the bottom there bud
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me make this easy
You’re a trOJan so I know you’re a moron but you should be able to follow these instructions:
1. Type “www.google.com” into the address bar of your “web browser”
2. Hit “Enter”
3. When the Google web page loads, type “Lincoln Town Car” into the “search field”
4. Step 2
5. Click on the “hyperlink” labeled “images” in the upper left hand corner
6. Look at the picture 2nd column from the right, 2nd row down
7. Note the caption that says “stretch lincoln town car”
8. Realize that Pom Pom committed a recruiting violation and is trying to cover up with semantics
9. Insert foot in mouth
PS. Thanks for ruining the joke, as if people couldn’t make the connection between a “town car” and a limo without your brilliant commentary. While it was hilarious that you unintentionally weakened your argument, it wasn’t nice ruining SBM’s joke.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ty, do you think everyone at justsc is this stupid?
We have had lots of trOJies come over here to hang out with their betters, but every time one of them tries to come up with a shot at UCLA or someone who posts something, they all sound like teenagers who are just plain stupid. There’s no nice way to phrase that. It doesn’t seem like the electric bill got paid from their necks up.
And they’re so stupid, they don’t realize how absurd they sound and they don’t realize that they lose every time they post anything. It would be nice once if a grown up trOJie or someone from their dean’s list would come over here and make it at least interesting.
by Fox 71 on Jan 29, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just found this one particularly hilarious
because he ended up proving SBM’s point when he thought he was disproving it. I can just imagine the self-satisfied grin on his face as he fired off that misguided missive. I believe the phrase is “hoisted by your own petard”.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Anything Ever
give you pause? Anything?
I mean, your guys send a big, chauffered vehicle (for the sake of the question, it’s not determined to be either a limousine or a “non-limousine,” okay?) to Crenshaw High during school hours after being clearly waved off by a minor student’s parent, and you come over here just to say, “Ugh, that’s photo says limo.”
Seriously, this act doesn’t give you one nanosecond of concern regarding your school’s recruiting practices?
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s about more than being picked up by a fancy car
Athletes are not stupid, they will not commit 3-5 years of their life to playing at university just because they got a ride town car or a stretch limousine (depending on what you believe). A lot of these highly regarded athletes look at coaches, facilities and overall atmosphere when they decide what to do, obviously development as a player and the possibility of playing pro ball affects their choice more heavily than other factors.
if boyd did indeed get picked up by what the ncaa deems a limo then SC should be punished, but i think the original blogger on the LA times site thought limo and town car could be used interchangably, but it looks like it’s been updated and fixed now.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How Is That Responsive?
Clearly, Brian Price and his father are not the stupid ones in this story. You can see from my earlier post that I think it was incredibly insulting to send the car for Brian after they had said “no” to your school.
So, since I’m forced to guess, your answer to my actual question is, “Ugh…no…?”
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I initially came here to comment about superbruinmans picture of the town car that was obviously a stretch limo that was a response to seernst’s comment about town cars are limos stretch or not (if it was a joke, sarcasm doesn’t come off well on the internet)
Yes, after Price’s dad came to deny the visit, the town car left, USC is not bothering Price anymore.
But is this any different than UCLA telling recruits that Norton will be D-coordinator for the bruins when he isn’t?
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Sorry bud, that little jab won’t work here. You see, no one at UCLA told recruits that Norton would be joining the Bruins (thank goodness for that!). Not a single recruit came forward to support Kenny’s claim. Good grief, no wonder Petey is so worshiped over there…he’s got you all eating out of his palm. Pathetic.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Jan 29, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s more of a “he said he said” kind of thing one man’s word against another’s. we’ll never know for sure.
Yeah Pete Carroll is a cool guy, I’ve met and talked to him after one of the spring practices, really down to earth.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Down to earth?
Sharpie…I think it’s hopeless for you. It’s ok though, enjoy your football team.
I wouldn’t refer to a selfish, self-aggrandizing coach who berates his QB in front of the press and refuses to share the spotlight with his assistants, among so many other fine qualities, as down to earth. But hey, that’s just me.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Jan 29, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good coaches that coach against your team have the tendancy to seem like an asshole haha.
Criticism and jeers always rears its head when you’re on top but
Where are all the JJ Reddick haters now that he’s a third-string-nobody for the magic?
Where are the NE patriot haters now that they failed to get into the playoffs?
and who has ever heard of Pete when he was a 33-31 coach in the NFL
And yes I will enjoy my football team.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're morally bankrupt anyway
So go ahead and enjoy it. I wonder if Mark Sanchez will enjoy watching the team coached by the asshole that dragged his name through the mud at his press conference?
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You for such a decisive evlatuion of my moral character
i really appreciate it. friend.
/s
And yes Mark will enjoy watching the program that developed him from a prep superstar to a college superstar to a top 5 NFL prospect. Pete was disappointed when Mark left for the NFL not pissed, anyone would be if the leader of your offense decides to go do bigger things.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simply not true
The reporters who have been closest to Petey for years all said that his reaction was totally out of character, that he acted angrily, etc. PC pretty much trashed Sanchez and said he was not ready for the NFL, etc. He could have said it all, privately, to NFL GMs and chose not to do so. The “handshake” between them said it all.
I’m not going to rehash all this. It was well discussed here on BN.
by Barnes2JJ on Jan 29, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess Pete can't get angry?
Might as well have a robot coach
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So now you admit that he was angry
Before he was only “disappointed”. Anything else we can get you to backtrack on today?
Also doesn’t explain why one’s anger needs to manifest itself into a public humiliation of a kid who sat on your bench, waited his turn, and graduated from clown college.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well lets put it this way
If i stick with what i said I would be “stubborn (insert caustic noun here)” and If i change what i say I would be a “backtracking flip-flopping (insert caustic noun here)”
Unless he posts and article or something about Pete’s anger at the news conference I will take Barnes2JJ’s word as true because he seems like a smart and trustworthy guy.
Get over the fact Mark didn’t have to come here he could have gone to UCLA and played football for you guys almost immediately but he didn’t want to, he wanted to play for Pete. Mark has matured and came of age when he made the adult decision of forgoing a 5th year to declare for the draft. Unless you think getting drafted in the first round and making tens of millions of dollars when you’re 22 is humiliation then agree to disagree.
Next year we will have Three 5-star quarterbacks playing for us: Mustain, Corp and Barkley who is already on campus attending classes. Pete and SC indeed has a bright future nothing to get disappointed or angry about.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Very Simple, Really
We all put whatever personal opinions we may (or in my case, may not) have about Mark Sanchez aside and believe that Coach Carroll should have been gracious and supportive—in other words, a “good sport”—about this kid’s very important and impactful decision to the press and public.
Of course it’s humiliating when your coach of four years,doesn’t back you up 100% in public when you’ve made the most important decision of your football career thus far. That’s your coach standing there, turning his back on you…in front of everyone.
It’s called loyalty. And when you give it, you’re entitled to get it back.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Loyalty goes both ways
Palmer, Leinart, Booty, Cassel all played out their scholarships, Pete expected Mark to do the same.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you avoiding the point on purpose?
Or do you just not know how to read?
See, I didn’t bash on Sanchez at all in my post, so your third paragraph is completely irrelevant.
Pete and SC indeed has a bright future nothing to get disappointed or angry about.
Then why DID he get angry? You’ve already admitted he did, there’s no point in reversing the cause and effect here when everyone, now including you, says he got angry at the press conference.
Seriously, learn to read or GTFO. Did you have a point in your babbling, bumbling, stumbling response or are you just talking now just to have a response?
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete was "angry"
because he expected Mark to stay like the other quarterbacks, with Mark in his system the offense would have flowed better and would have had consistent leadership to next year. Now there will be a QB competition between the 3 qbs none of which have starting experience at USC.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still doesn't explain his classless behavior
I say it’s because he’s an ungracious jackass. The video seems to back me up, especially when you compare it to Mark Richt’s behavior under similar circumstances. Why throw Sanchez under the bus? I don’t give a damn what Petey expected out of Mark. You just said he was gonna make tens of millions of dollars. Petey couldn’t sympathize with that decision? I believe he’s making millions himself. Why does he want to deny that opportunity to Sanchez?
It’s because he’s a selfish classless jerk. That’s why.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Richt knew and everybody else knew that Stafford was leaving. Everybody thought Mark was leaning towards staying, it certainly was a shock to me when i found out.
If he really was selfish and classless he would have prevented him from leaving nothing of the sort happened. Pete knows how to develop pro talent, 4 1st round picks last year 7 in the first day.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Look at you. “Prevent him from leaving”. What an egomaniac. Unless you’re implying that he signed a contract to play all 4 years (and thereby admitting that SUC pays its players) then that’s just a load of BS. Mark Richt knew Stafford was leaving? Irrelevant. Richt acted like an adult. Everyone thought Sanchez was staying? Irrelevant. This is about Petey’s tantrum.
Say it with me: Pete is classless and selfish.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“he did nothing of the sort” is what i said
and you always seem to brush aside everything i say as irrelevant making it rather difficult to continue trading comments
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He did nothing, because he CAN'T
You’re implying that he has a choice whether to hold him back and he does not. If you don’t want to be dismissed as irrelevant then make better arguments.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for being so honest
/s
I guess that’s why Petey’s actions were criticized by every national and local columnist/journalist that saw the exchange right? It’s all part of a big Bruin conspiracy, right? It’s called class, and Petey has none.
But hey, they’re just commentators. I’m sure a partisan hack like you is more trustworthy on the matter.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it was a Bruin conspiracy
please don’t put words into my mouth.
Also the media is out to sell papers and get hits on their website, controversy sells, and the media took both sides.
But Tydides am I any more of a partisan hack than you? at least i don’t go around questioning the moral character of strangers do you think that’s normal?
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Show me
Show me a big name who is defending Petey’s disgusting childish behavior. Plaschke wasn’t:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-sanchez16-2009jan16,0,677327.column?page=1
Scott Wolf wasn’t:
http://insidesocal.com/usc/archives/2009/01/pathetic-press.html#comments
Arash Markazi wasn’t:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/arash_markazi/01/16/carroll/index.html
And all four guys at Around the Horn weren’t.
I bring the bacon. I show you the links. You respond with unsupported accusations and excuses. Yes, that qualifies me to question your character, because it’s becoming pretty clear that you’re just another willfully ignorant chump brainlessly spewing the heritage hall talking points.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please stop with the name calling
Doyel saying pete isn’t the “short sighted jerk”
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11274803
This isn’t national sports media but Sanchez’s family didn’t agree with Mark’s decision: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/usc-coach-pete.html
Independent Writers:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/112928-will-mark-sanchezs-departure-lead-to-a-temporary-fall-from-grace-for-usc
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then stop lying
I’ll give you Doyel, he’s at least as big of a name as Markazi.
Link #2, doesn’t count. Was not a defense of Petey’s disgusting behavior.
Link #3, Bleacher report? Please. For all I know that’s you writing that “article” (and I use that term loosely).
So here’s the score. Plaschke, Wolf, Markazi (3 guys who should know the program pretty well), and Woody, Mariotti and his merry band vs. Doyel.
Verdict: Carroll is classless.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok Judge Tydides
I guess Mark’s own family doesn’t know what’s best for them right? jeez
The world has moved on:
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?StoryID=73462
Pete has apologized and has said “Mark’s got all my support”
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if he apologized
Then he knew he did something wrong. He knew he rained on Mark’s parade and let his anger get the best of him. Sadly, that anger revealed Pete’s true colors for the world to see and they were quite unsightly.
So if Petey can admit that he was wrong for how he acted (like a jerk), why can’t you? You shot yourself in the foot again. Just like how this whole thing started. Game over, son.
PS. You introduced Mark’s family into the discussion, not me. Mark’s family has nothing to do with Pete being a jerk. Stick to the topic at hand please.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"sharpie"
is clearly here just to engage in a flame war.
by Nestor on Jan 29, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you don't want me here just ask me to leave
but just remember that i was not the one calling people “morally bankrupt”,“moron” and “willfully ignorant chump brainlessly spewing the heritage hall talking points”
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete apologized for being a Jerk
if everyone knows that Pete is a jerk now then why don’t all those recruits just decommit and go play for UCLA?
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Non sequitur
You seem to have a problem with cause and effect. Explain what recruits going to UCLA has to do with Pete being a jerk. That makes no sense.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if recruits see Pete being a jerk
they will see that USC is not for them and go else where possibly UCLA
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leave
Troll somewhere else. We have had enough of your BS.
by Nestor on Jan 29, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK Nestor you're the boss
This was a spirited debate, good luck to UCLA in the future in academics and athletics. But please no snide comments about me after I leave.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ "debate"
More like you getting your ass handed to you.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another false attribution
That only works if Pete is the only reason to go to SUC and it is a fact for all kids that his jackass behavior outweighs all other factors that go into choosing a college.
Which you can’t prove. Try again.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
If you were to look into it, you would find that good coaches are highly respected around here, regardless.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bruinman is implying that town cars and stretch limos are one in the same, they are not
if you want to complain about recruits being driven from their hotel to the campus in a town car then that’s fine with me
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Expression Is
“…one and the same…” “One in the same” makes no sense.
This wasn’t a hotel, it was the kid’s high school, and, oh, they didn’t have the parents’ permission to take him.
What the ______? Are you kidding me? You are actually this clueless?
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought you were referring to boyd who stayed in a hotel not price who goes to school in nearby crenshaw high
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Of Course
Because most hotels have fourth-period art classes and guidance counselors.
(Not sure you’ve noticed this, then, either:
Brian Price doesn’t go to school in “nearby crenshaw high” any longer.)
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look man
There’s no argument here. Your school uses shady recruiting tactics to lure players in the guise of offering them a great athletic and “academic” experience. It’s fine, you know, who gives a rat’s ass at the end of the day. You can live in your football glory all you want. Just be a little honest with yourself and admit that for the most part, U$C is nothing but a minor league team for football and basketball. It’s not the only one, but please, just stop pretending it is anything but. The list of violations is so long that it’s not even funny anymore. It’s gone far beyond determining a “town car” vs. a “limo”.
And before you think I’m just a hater, two of my uncles were scholarship athletes at U$C, and even they know enough to admit the ridiculous cheating going on over there.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Jan 29, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand i'm not here to change your world view on USC
and i also know that everyone here hates USC with a passion since you post stuff about USC just about everyday. The NCAA will punish violators just look at powerhouse alabama and SMU in the 80s when they were talk of the town (they still haven’t recovered from the death penalty). If the ncaa wants to punish the athletic program so be it.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Riiiiight...
because U$C is just going to sit back and let the NCAA do its job. They are oh so cooperative with investigations. Hey, they even conduct their own!
The difference between Alabama, SMU and U$C today is $$$$. Moolah. Dineros. TV revenues. All that good stuff that just warms the heart and brings out the best in honest people.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Jan 29, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading a while back
that the FBI was investigating the Mayo case a while back? they don’t take crap from anyone.
Oklahoma was faced with stiff penalties after the whole Rhett Bomar no-work-for-money debacle in 2006 came full circle, the year after they went to (but eventually lost) the BCS title game in 2005 to none other than SC. I remember they were stripped of all eight of the wins in 2006 going 0-4 (but the wins were eventually reinstated last year making the squad 8-4). Oklahoma has money too, ESPN considers them the no.1 football school, they made a mistake that was proven and they paid dearly for it.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oklahoma self reported the violations
The only thing SuC self reports is mythical national championships.
by Ajax on Jan 29, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What You "Know" About "Everyone Here"
wouldn’t fill a keyhole.
Did you happen to notice the position Coach Ben Howland and Alfred Aboya both took regarding Alfred’s first-ever technical foul, received in the Washington game? We respect that—even those who didn’t and don’t agree with that call respect that stand-up, unequivocal accountability.
What we “hate” is the incessant, “We didn’t do it, and if we did, you can’t prove it, and if you can, we didn’t know we were doing it.” line that spews out of your school’s athletic department every time someone notices that they have, once again, violated an NCAA provision.
It’s not about the model of the car. It’s about repeatedly doing something you know is wrong and acting righteous about it.
If you want to come here and debate something intelligently, fine. I can absolutely guarantee you that you won’t be bashed for anything you say if you’re armed with actual facts. (Ask Laughing Stock.) But you roll in here going on and on about the model of car, and it turns out you hadn’t even read the whole post and thought the whole thing was about Boyd, instead of comparing the recent Boyd situation with that of Brian Price last year. Frankly, you just look and sound utterly ridiculous and completely stupid when you do this. You then finish up with “Well, you all hate us over here,” when you finally realize that you haven’t been paying attention to what is actually being discussed. Be accountable, and you’ll be engaging in a lively debate. Be stupid, and you’ll most likely get fried “over here.”
Finally, every, single one of the few times I’ve gone over and read through the Conquest Chronicles, each and every post has at least one comment trashing “the Ruins” or “Nestor’s bunch,” so don’t get all sanctimonious about that, either.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I got the Boyd and Price story’s mixed up and thought that they were recent occurrence as i just learned that the story about price was written in ‘07. But please, there’s no need to call people stupid.
the writer of the LA times blog didn’t mean to say stretch limo he meant a Lincoln Town Car, which i guess you could say is a limo depending on who you ask and how they define a limo. based on Barnes2JJ’s definition a taxi cab is large, somewhat luxurious sedan some of which have separators so could that be a limo? who knows. So is USC really violating rules by transporting recruits in a town car?
if you take a look at my post history on Conquest Chronicles i rarely slander UCLA, unless something said about USC gets out of line.
Also I DO NOT know everyone here, but I think it’s safe to say that you guys don’t think too highly of USC and sometimes things are blown out of proportion.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if SUC did something worthy of praise
People would think better of it. Once again, the problem is YOUR “school”, YOUR football program, YOUR coach. Not our perception of it. If SUC would stop cheating, then there wouldn’t be anything to complain about would there?
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
60 Minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/11/60minutes/main4663108.shtml
Maybe you’ve seen it maybe not. But maybe your preconceived notions will prevent you from watching this 60 minutes segment or you might just turn it into something it’s not.
I don’t know of anyone outside of Bruinsnation that lambasts USC over things like town cars and limos. Bush and Mayo? I’m sure all that money would have been noticed by the NCAA by now,I mean it’s been like 4 or 5 years. Or maybe a convenient excuse is that “USC owns the NCAA”.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you've seen this, probably not
http://www.bruinsnation.com/2008/5/15/508939/pete-carroll-tim-floyd-usc
Care to answer for any of these things?
I don’t know of anyone outside of Bruinsnation that lambasts USC over things like town cars and limos.
http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=806813
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bush_usc&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Fish in a barrel. You’re out of your league here.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QED, man.
Seriously, how many more of your smoking guns are they gonna ignore?!
by Seanny Rotten on Feb 7, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So,
You have an opportunity to say, “I could have read the post more carefully.” “I don’t think it’s a violation to send a Lincoln Town Car Livery model (and that’s what it is, by the way) to Boyd’s hotel to provide transportation under these rules.” And, “I didn’t know about the limo being sent to Brian Price’s high school last year—that could have been a violation.”
But you go with,
…which i guess you could say is a limo depending on who you ask and how they define a limo. based on Barnes2JJ’s definition a taxi cab is large, somewhat luxurious sedan some of which have separators so could that be a limo? who knows. So is USC really violating rules by transporting recruits in a town car?
I stand by what I’ve already written, and I must by now assume that sending a limo to Brian Price’s high school last year after being told “no” by him and his family did not give you one nanosecond’s pause or concern. I’m certain it gave his parents a great deal of concern, however, and it certainly reinforced his decision to attend UCLA. Perhaps that should be considered, as well.
If you were to review my posts here, you would learn that I don’t spend a great deal of time trashing all things Trojan, but I certainly do despise what I see as repeated disregard for rules and general sportsmanship. I think your basketball coach sets a horrible example for all his players when he writes off Washington’s low blow on Blake Griffin as ok because he’s a freshman—and that is disrespected all over the nation, by the way, not just here on BN. I personally see coaching as more of a teaching responsibility, and your football coach teaches disrespect, poor sportsmanship, and unending arrogance. Ray Maualuga’s actions toward Erin Andrews are a classic example of this attitude.
Your football team wins a lot. They have great athletic talent and depth. College sports, in general, mean more than just that to many of us. I am very proud of the actions and conduct of my school’s coach and player in the example I gave above. They could have both tried to make hay out of the entire “African Accent” angle, and neither did.
That is the difference, you see.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok so one more time:
I got the boyd and price story mixed up, I could have read the post more carefully, I don’t think it’s a violation to send a lincoln town car livery model to boyd’s hotel and I didn’t know about the towncar being sent to prices hs 2 yrs ago but now I do and I know that they were two separate incidents that are 2 years removed from each other.
But when you quoted me you missed the curcial part about the blogger misstating that the car was a limo not a town car and how it has been fixed and updated now.
I wouldn’t see norton’s recruiting of price as a concern only an annoyance if I was a parent. Since that day USC has not contacted price.I don’t know about you but if I were a parent and two schools really wanted my child I would be pretty happy. Kind of off topic but how is price doing for the Bruins anyways?
Yes I don’t think you trash USC that much and for people who do that’s fine, it’s out of my control. The Leonard washington thing was inexcusable he’s on thin ice, should he have been suspended probably, was it the worse than Budinger’s face stomp probably not. Rey maualuga doing a 2 second jig is not as bad as a certain basketball player beating his girlfriend though.
And yes UCLA is a great school with a great athletic tradition making for a great rivalry imo the best thecountry.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sharpie
You do realize that case was dropped against Dragovic?
You are not going to make your points in BN by spewing lies.
by Nestor on Jan 29, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But cases were also dropped against USC
but you guys don’t seem to want to acknowledge that
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You LIED ... PERIOD
You came here and asserted a UCLA basketball player of crime he didn’t commit. You lied. Period.
And if you keep lying you will be gone. Consider this a last waring.
by Nestor on Jan 29, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm yes ...
In our front page posts we refer to the incident as allegations.
You LIED above. And if you keep up this trolling just to keep lying you will be gone. This is your last warning.
by Nestor on Jan 29, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then...
…if you have a daughter someday, and Mark Sanchez shows up at her high school to pick her up and take her somewhere in a Lincoln Town Car Livery model…
…that’s cool with you, then?
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I am a parent, and I expect my wishes to be respected when I’ve made them clear; I expect my child to remain in school unless I’ve specifically given permission for her to be transported by someone else to another location.
If you care so much about Dragovi’s girlfriend, why don’t you note that Coach Howland immediately suspended him, made no excuses and pulled no strings for him. Coach Howland punished him. You should look into it, if you think that situation is even remotely comparable to anything that is complained about here. Dragovic was not protected from the law or the legal process.
Since you’ve asked, Brian Price is a force, a leader, and a completely class act.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing is that sharpie thinks he's right
He was probably an OK person before he got into justsc. Now he’s a hopeless apologist. He will probably go on to great things, probably politics, with the support of the trOJan family, until the indictment. Not being an athlete, he’ll be on his own.
by Fox 71 on Jan 29, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK,
I’m sorry, but that’s funny.
Fox. (Tee Hee)
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You really don't get it
I’m the most forgiving guy in the BN. I was actually trying to find something nice to say about you. But you have lots and lots of strikes against you, not the least of which are your apparent inability to reason and to include logic and reality in your arguments. There was in fact no debate here. It was batting practiceYou would offer up a silly point, and then my brothers and sisters would expose the absurdity. Then you would try something else, and get the same result. Sharpie, you showed up as a batting practice pitcher, lobbing up easy balls to hit. And you still don’t realize it.
I confess that I sort of enjoyed watching this, in the same sense that I can’t force myself to look away during the early episodes of American Idol. (Which incidentally Mrs. Fox 71 makes me watch.)
by Fox 71 on Jan 29, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
I really should have been spending my time doing something else, but this was too much of a hoot to drop.
Plus, honestly—and I’m sure you could tell—this one just got under my skin a little with all that droning on about the model of the bloody car, which he was apparently completely incapable of researching himself. I think it was him being so totally obtuse, and yet so committed to his non-existant “point.”
Thinking about it…damn, that was pretty fun.
Maybe I should get back into litigation…
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 30, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have met some guys like Sharpie in the litigation business
Unfortunately, some of them are called “Your Honor.”
Most “Sharpies” end up as sole practitioners, then move on from there to become shoe salesmen. But they’re still out there, making things difficult for real lawyers.
by Fox 71 on Jan 30, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definition of Limousine
Maybe this is a problem of the use of a poor choice of words by the NCAA (because “limousine” is not defined, at least in the above section). Perhaps the word is defined elsewhere, but that would be giving the NCAA too much credit.
According to Merriam-Webster, a limousine is defined as follows:
1 : a large luxurious often chauffeur-driven sedan that usually has a glass partition separating the driver’s seat from the passenger compartment
2 : a large vehicle for transporting passengers to and from an airport
by Barnes2JJ on Jan 29, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm enjoying this thread
in the same way I enjoy 53-18 at halftime.
Bruingirl, you’re awesome. Ty, Barnes, Fox, tasser, you guys are in playoff form.
by Bruinut on Jan 29, 2009 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well Thanks, Bruinut
…but I’ve got some important baking to do now. ;-)
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 29, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really -- get your priorities straight
We need Cake Karma tonight!
sjh
by Class of 66 on Jan 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess
You made bear claws?
Whatever you made did the trick. Yummy thanks.
Good luck inventing a recipe that involves redwood trees or red colors or whatever they are.
by Bruinut on Jan 30, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK Nestor you're the boss
This was a spirited debate, good luck to UCLA in the future in academics and athletics. But please no snide comments about me after I leave.
by sharpie20 on Jan 29, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
No one could make you look dumber than you already made yourself look.
by Tydides on Jan 29, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
spend one afternoon/evening away from BN, and look at what you miss!
by bruinhoo on Jan 29, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And, Truthfully...
…I’d still like to hear from sharpie whether he’s so “happy” as his high school-aged daughter climbs into the Lincoln with Mark Sanchez one day….
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 30, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Riddles for Trojans
1. When is a limo not a limo?
When you get caught.
2. If it’s a violation for the school to pay for a limo, and not a violation for the players to pay for a limo, what if the school pays the players who pay for the limo?
3. Is it or is it not high class to ride a limo to thug territory?
4. Why did the Town Car (sic) driver cross the road?
To avoid the student-athlete’s father and the high school authorities.
5. Why would UCLA need to spread negative information about USC recruiters when they do such a good job of it themselves?
by ucla7477 on Jan 30, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
These are not riddles
These are questions from the oral exam in sc’s masters programs.
by Bruinut on Jan 30, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't "Liverly" imply limo
Don’t they require special plates here in CA? If it was truely a limo, it would have liverly plates, btw; a limo doesn’t need to be “stretch” to be a limo.
by 10amla on Jan 31, 2009 1:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Livery"
is the Town Car series. It is sized and appointed betwwen the standard Town Car and the Town Car limousines.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 31, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
many different vehicles can be “stretched.” That process is available by post-production specialized shops; hence, the “stretch” Hummers, Navigators, etc. True limousines can be stock—Cadillacs, Lincolns, Mercedes—and are not technically “stretched” vehicles.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 31, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Liverly
is the adverb form, as in “Their Lincoln Town Car idling just meters away, Peat and Kenny sidled up to the elite eighteen-year old recruit in a most liverly fashion, Kenny distracting the parents and Peatey steering the prospect toward the limo, er Town Car.”
by Bruinut on Jan 31, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah....
(a natural progression from the quaint—but no less apt— adjective, “lily-livered,” perhaps?)
:-)
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 31, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly,
The special plate required would be present on both the limousine, and “non-limousine” carrier:
“Special License Plates: Charter-Party Carrier: Limousine: Livery
5011.9. (a) The department shall design the license plate specified in Section 5011.5 with the word "LIVERY” inscribed under the license plate number.
I’m guessing the subject vehicle is a charter-party carrier, when it’s a “limousine” or not.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Jan 31, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see the problem...
They misread this as “Cheater-Party Carrier” and figured they were entitled to special treatment, especially since they own the police!
by ucla7477 on Feb 1, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's unbelievable
how blatantly dirty USC football is, and it’s infuriating that the NCAA won’t investigate them properly. Absolutely ridiculous. Other programs are sanctioned for lesser offenses.
And yes, my Alma Mater was busted; I want to address that before some USC fan accuses me of being bitter and whatnot. I know the details all too well, and I’m not going to waste my breath repeating them. The fact is USC is a sacred cow. The NCAA should grow some gonads and punish them.
by Bamagrad on Jan 31, 2009 8:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly,
Given everything that happened to your team and school, and in light of all that USC has thus far committed but remains unpunished…
…you have every right to be bitter, my friend.
Inequity in the administration of justice is unpalatable to all moral people.
Maybe, someday, the worm will turn and the NCAA-holes will do their job, but I’m not holding my breath.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Feb 1, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that
The NC-double A-holes! LOL
by Telemachus on Feb 1, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm amazed...
…at how incredibly stupid some trOJans can be. But that is to be expected when one is educated at that JC across town. I mean, they had to have a “school” to justify the professional football team they have, right?
by Bellerophon on Jan 31, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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