[UPDATED] Question For Women Members/Readers/Lurkers On BN

by Nestor on Jan 5, 2009 6:44 PM PST Comment 31 comments

UPDATE (N): The video is still up:

In case anyone missed the Ray Maualuga and Erin Andrews video has now been pulled off YouTube. I wonder why.

What is interesting to me is the reaction of Trojans in response to the video. Here is how Adam Rose (a USC alum who comically blogs on "What's Bruin" and "All Things Trojan") initially posted this reaction to Maualuga's approaching of Andrews and doing that dance:

Rey Maualuga, the closest thing college football has to Chuck Norris, decided to celebrate the new year by dancing with ESPN sideline reporter Erin Andrews.

And when you're Rey Maualuga, you don't need to ask for a dance -- you just boogie.

This video may be the underground highlight of the 2009 Rose Bowl game.

Adam thought it was kind of funny. When he got called out on it this is how he backpedaled this way:

This wasn't rape, and I'm not even sure it was a simulated sex act. In 2009, that's more of a silly dance move (especially with his hands making circles in the air). 50 years ago, it would be totally inappropriate under any circumstance. Of course, they said the same thing about Elvis. Today, the connotation isn't quite the same. To some, he may as well have done bunny ears in a still photo. Perhaps it's a generational thing, but I think most people under 30 were amused.

And dismissed it as Maulauga being "silly":

I'm not inclined to give anybody a pass because they're a good player. I might be inclined to give Maualuga the benefit of the doubt on some of his jokes because he's self-deprecating. Ever see the pics of him wearing a pink thong over his workout clothes? It's one thing if you take yourself too seriously, but he always seemed like a silly kid. That's why I'm not jumping to conclusions.

Nothing wrong with a football player - who is the face of a football program - walking around in a pink thong I guess. Adam didn't jump to conclusions except for the fact that he thought it was kind of kewl and funny.

Adam also threw up this:

I'm NOT saying what Maualuga did was appropriate. Because it's on a national stage with cameras all around, he should have been on better behavior.

In other words this would have been totally appropriate if there were no cameras around? Seriously?

So my question is specifically for all the women who are members of BN, read this blog or lurk around here who saw the video before it got pulled down.

Do you agree with Adam or others who thought it was just Ray being "silly"? Really interested in hearing your takes. Thanks.

GO BRUINS.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Silly?

Come on Rose!

When I pulled up the video I had not heard anything about it and I was shocked to say the least. Though maybe I should have expected it from a trOJan who claims to own the police. He apparently thought it would be funny to walk up behind a woman doing her job on the sidelines and “dance” up on her in a sexual manner. If this happened to me in a bar or anywhere else for that matter, he’d have my handprint on his cheek!

I am all for a little humor, but this was in no way funny and was way over the line. The only people laughing are those lowly trOJan all stars.

by uclafan11 on Jan 5, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Not funny, low class, but

to be expected of a trojan. I agree uclafan11. If it would have happened to my daughter, I hope that she would have slapped him. I think, however, that she probably would have had to pick herself up off the ground, because malthug-a would have probably decked her. Those trojans seem to think they can do whatever they want. I, for one, am happy to see him gone.

by gobruinblue on Jan 5, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

certainly wasn't a smart decision

but I think if the SC program wasn’t as well known for their criminal records as for their football records i don’t think this would be as big of a deal. I honestly think ray-ray thought he was being funny, and since he’s a 20 year old, i can except that (seeing as i’m about the same age). Rose does have a point in saying that his (and therefore, my) generation generally won’t be bothered by something like this.

It was done in poor taste, but I don’t think it’s something to get worked up about – although I’m certainly glad it wasn’t a Bruin doing that after a game.

by bucknellbruin on Jan 5, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It would be interesting to hear the perspective

of the women from your generation and find out whether they agree with you or not. about it “being funny.”

by Nestor on Jan 5, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a little over that age...

but consider myself to be very immature. LOL

by uclafan11 on Jan 5, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

definitely immature

and uncalled for. I’m just saying that he probably didn’t think it would be a big deal. Clearly he was mistaken lol

by bucknellbruin on Jan 5, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Personally

I thought it was disgusting.

Whether it was USC, Ohio State, Texas or any other major university, NO ONE should EVER on a NATIONAL STAGE ever do what he did. EVER.

Are they in a club, where everyone was dancing like that? No.

Did Erin Andrews invite Malaluga over to dance? No.

What was done was just vulgar. It should not be done. I did not consider it funny, and I thought it was a bit demeaning to Erin Andrews as a reporter. She was denigrated to just another chick on a sideline in that minute.

I know I personally don’t like some of the sideline reporters who are obviously there based on their appearance and not for their abilities. But Erin Andrews isn’t as horrible as some of the others. And standing there was not an invitation for a “dance.”

If he wanted to dance, he should have taken her hand, spun her around, and then dipped her. He knew FULL WELL what he was doing was a sexual gesture and would be interpreted as such.

Hilarious part, I’m not one of those hard core feminists… or any kind of feminist. But if I’m trying to do my job, I don’t need someone denigrating me like that at my place of employment. I’d be SO embarrassed.

by freesia39 on Jan 5, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

AMEN!

I’m not a feminist either and I’m with you! Disgusting and embarassing, but the trOJans don’t know the meaning of those words.

by uclafan11 on Jan 5, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agreee

I am a feminist (meaning I believe men and women should be treated equally, not meaning I hate men) and if I was Erin Andrews, I would be raising a stink right now, saying how humilated I felt.

by bruinbabe2000 on Jan 6, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

when you put it that way I am a feminist too! lol. I just wanted to be clear that I am not one of those stereotypical manhaters! :)

by uclafan11 on Jan 6, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I base my perspective off of a bumper sticker I saw a while back

“Feminism is the radical idea that men and women should be treated equally.” I remember taking a class on women’s literature and I was so pissed that all it did was blame men for everything.

We have to work together and male bashing doesn’t work.

by bruinbabe2000 on Jan 6, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think you want to make such sweeping statements, BB

You are now married. Mr. BB, and every married guy in the world going back to Adam (aka Mr. Eve) expects to be male-bashed. It’s kind of one of the things that goes with being a guy, like spitting and scratching one’s crotch. If you’re married, you expect to be bashed. You know, “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around, is the husband still wrong?”

It would feel weird not to be male-bashed.

(Speaking of women’s literature, my niece’s PhD dissertation was on Margaret Atwood.)

by Fox 71 on Jan 6, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

To be perfectly honest

When I male bash because of Mr. BB. Sure, I would like him to clean up a little more, but I pick my battles accordingly.

I guess it’s because I had good relationships with the men in my life. A while back, I was talking to my brother and I mentioned that he never made any sexist comments when we were growing up. “Why would I do that?” he said. Probably because he was raised to be respectful of women.

I do admit I don’t understand a good deal of male behavior, but I choose to leave it as a mystery.

by bruinbabe2000 on Jan 6, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not one of the women but...

What if Mark Sanchez and Matt Leinert taught him that this sort of behavior is normal for a Trojan student-athlete?

by ucla7477 on Jan 5, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I forgot...

The caption that led me to Youtube said that he was dancing with a sideline reporter. Isn’t dancing something that two people do together? How is he “dancing” with her when she doesn’t even know he is there and when she isn’t participating in the slightest? (In fact, she is doing her job.) So he is making fun of her or otherwise trying to make this all about himself — apparently vulgarly so.
Remember, SC stands for Such Class.

by ucla7477 on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

call me traditional

but I’m 20, and to me thats just childish and thuggish behavior. There’s no discipline on that sideline, but I guess its like asking a couple 13 year olds to keep order amongst a pack of wild dogs, just not gonna happen…oh, and Rose is SC slime

O.A.

by Ollie on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

One thing I noticed about Adam the trOJie's comments

I never expected him to be outraged or anything like that. But I thought it was interesting that the trOJie apologist wasn’t even slightly surprised at the conduct.

by Fox 71 on Jan 5, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Totally Classy vs. Totally Tasteless

UCLA student athletes eventually become great leaders and role models in society.

USC student athletes eventually become _______________. (you fill in the FACTS, err, or famous past USC student athletes that made headlines)

Mistakes can be made, but can character & integrity be redeemed??? Let the FACTS speak for themselves.

by LoyalAlum94 on Jan 5, 2009 10:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Thugluga

Inappropriate, common SCum behavior. Unfortunately he is a roll model for upcoming SCum and they will continue their tradition until Cheaty is replaced by someone with integrity, which probably will never happen….someone with integrity chosing to lead at SCum. Agree with Ollie and others that it was much more than “silly” behavior.

by Desert Brewin' Fan on Jan 5, 2009 10:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Basically

This video is just a reflection of the entire attitude that Malaluga has. He clearly feels that he is above the law (because he OWNS the police), can do whatever he wants, and there will be no real consequence for his actions, ever.

by turs12 on Jan 5, 2009 11:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Also

Love the quote by Rose, “This wasn’t rape, and I’m not even sure it was a simulated sex act.” Because we all know if a U$C football player was accused of RAPE that he would be punished to the fullest extent possible. Oh wait…

by turs12 on Jan 5, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That the first thought that came to Rose was rape,

before even a simulated act/grinding… says volumes about that program.

by bruinhoo on Jan 6, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Uhh

Didn’t Sanchez (allegedly) rape that Hooters waitress?

by lil eg not cs on Jan 6, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I Am An Old Feminist

That established, of course this wasn’t funny. Obviously, it wasn’t rape. (Thank you so much, Mr. Rose, you paragon of respect for the law, and women, you.) Typical, classless, insulting, degrading, ignorant, sexist, exploitive…all of those.
She’s trying to do her job, her hands appear to be full, and she can’t see him. Apparently, her camera operator either didn’t see it coming, or wanted to get it recorded. (Honestly, the spin and dip move described by freesia would have been extremely cool and classy, and probably would have become one of those “moments” treasured and re-played by the network in commercials.) He didn’t just degrade Erin Andrews, he demeaned himself. He became just another big, stupid, muscle-headed football player with no manners and no dignity. (Now that his behavior is memorialized, we need not fear Ray ever becoming a Congressman, I suppose.)

It would have been somewhat rewarding to me if Erin had dropped her mic and papers, grabbed his facemask with both hands, and spun his empty head around, until he hit the ground, but…that’s dangerous and I’m admittedly kind of agressive about stuff like this.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Jan 6, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I was just thinking what I would have done if I had been Erin's dad and had been standing there.

I think I would have taken a shot at him, knowing that he would probably have killed me (and enjoyed doing it because there are never any adverse consequences for his actions.

And he is still being defended. It’s mind boggling.

By the way, I don’t think you have to be a feminist to be outraged by this. I think you just need to be either a gentleman or have taken a deposition of a plaintiff in a sexual harassment case that has merit. (There are plenty that don’t, but the one I had to defend had lots of merit. I despised my client, and despised even more the fact that his employer paid the settlement (although my client had long since been fired.))

by Fox 71 on Jan 6, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's a very good question to ask of those downplaying the incident

Would you be saying the same thing if it was your daughter/sister/niece?

by bruinbabe2000 on Jan 6, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And another thing...

Rose says: “that’s more of a silly dance move (especially with his hands making circles in the air).” It’s not his circular hand movements that are the problem, its his midsection. Just look at the video again and watch his legs. It is clear what he is doing. And he just walks away like he is so cool. What a DOPE.

by uclafan11 on Jan 6, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Two perspectives...

At first blush, I thought it was horrible. My wife, on the other hand, didn’t seem to think it was such a big deal. She didn’t want to ever see one of our sons do that, but she didn’t think it was scandalous. She’s not a Bruin, though, so maybe that inhibits her from seeing the true thuggery of all things associated with SUC. Either that, or she’s just taking sides with SUC to piss me off.

by moosen44 on Jan 6, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Let them keep doing this stuff

I am all for those U$C morons acting like complete jerks. Eventually, one of them will do something really egregious, something that cannot be spun, and all of this stuff will get lumped in with it and finally the whole picture will become clear to the rest of the world. Their day of reckoning is coming, I really do believe this. It starts with little articles like TJ Simers’, and it will snowball. How fast, no one knows, but it is coming. I can feel it. Can you?

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Jan 6, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely

The blowback on Norton and the “no one can beat us” quote has been strong. (Blow Back is a CIA term referring to a mission that turns to turd or bites the agency in the butt.)

cp is not the darling he was a few years ago and, even though people like Rose try to deflect criticism, I think the msm is cutting sc less slack and giving less deference.

I also think whining is out of style — even Mack Brown the whiner of the year a couple of years ago, was very careful this year not to follow cp down that road BEFORE his game. Now, he’s saying he will vote for Texas for #1 but is not so presumptuous as to say no one can beat his team.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 6, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thugalaga

Wasn’t a bit surprised seeing this. Not when you got OJ, Leinart holding up a beer bong for a female (nothing wrong with it but this is the guy that adored being adored so what did he expect), Anthony Davis charging little kids $$$ for his autograph, Sean Salsbury (a nudist in hiding…or at least in the ESPN studios), Bushdashian – Oh Ray J?, etc.

Oh those trOJan traditions. All I gotta say is what goes around comes around.

by BlueReign on Jan 6, 2009 4:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs