2009 FB Recruiting: Stretch Run
Bumped. Great discussion starting post by BlueReign re. stretch run. Would love to get feedback on this from others who are closely following recruiting as well. GO BRUINS. - N
Our staff is looking at roughly a month till Signing Day on February 4th. The class thus far is looking solid and could possibly round out into a very good class with a few additions. With the assistance of varying sources out in the www, I thought a snapshot with some predictions would be interesting.
Verbal Commits (18)
- QB: Brehaut -Don't take too much from the UA game. He needs development but has the skill set to be a good one.
- WR: Marvay & Toma -Marvay reminds me of TA in that he is shifty. Toma has been called "Welker". Solid additions.
- TE: Presley -Already on campus but needs to bulk up. Oozes potential.
- OL: Hasiak, Capella, Taylor & Johnson -Priority #1, gotta keep Hasiak. Good mix of HS talent and JC infusion.
- DL: Warner & Graham -Both big gets. Warner is critical IMO. Our future depth at the DT position is not looking good. Need another DT or 2 in this class IMO. Graham is on the lighter side but has the frame to get bigger. Good upside and has that speed we've been lacking off the edge.
- LB: Golper & Bowens -Solid gets. Bowens I think can be a real good one.
- DB: Mascarenes, Price and Sermons -Turned a Sermon away from the Dark Side. Much needed depth at the CB positions and they have the ability to be flexed to safety if needed.
- ATH: Allmond, Hillard & Williams -Hilliard is listed as a RB but I think he ends up in the secondary as other sources have noted. Allmond is a FB but there is talk about him moving to the DL. Williams is a OL but some talk of him playing DT. I hope he can because bodies are needed.
My Predictions:
- Kennard (DE): No shot. Unless he is 1 of the silent commits? Wishful thinking on my part. I think he goes to suc like Everson Griffin.
- Te'o (LB): Had some hope with the Punahou connections but this is a BYU and suc battle IMO. The pull from the Mormon faith will be too much at the end. I hope I'm wrong and he joins Toma/Hilliard and alumnus, Norm Chow.
- Su'a-Filo (OL): We had a better shot with Martinez IMO. We could have had a better shot if Martinez verballed to us but now....think he ends up at BYU ultimately. There was talk of wanting to play with Martinez but with suc already having a lot of OL in the class and LSU being so far away, logic says local school wins out.
- Phillip (OL): We were supposedly leading but now it's a toss up. Really hope we get this kid and I think ultimately CRN & NC will seal the deal.
- Abele (OL): We lead and I think he is a silent commit. Has a good frame and potential. Some talk of him being a DT which Utah is recruiting him for. Utah coming on strong but UCLA bound IMO.
- Carroll (WR): As previoulsy noted, we have a shot but CAL (childhood fav) bound IMO.
- Flourney (WR): I know N doesn’t agree but I think he comes to Westwood. Whether we like it or not, UCLA has been seen as soft. Local recruits have always viewed suc as the place to go for top notch football. In addition, UCLA didn’t have the "street cred" because we didn’t recruit the City Section hard. Times have changed and continue to. We had a huge contingent of City guys last year and I’m sure Knox & D. Carter are using their influence to lure Flourney.
- Wheaton (WR/DB): Has Oregon written all over him. Cousin Kenny (no not that Kenny) played for the Ducks.
- Sanders (TE/DE): Think he is one of the silent commits. Gotta help that Dye picked the U at the UA game. UCLA bound IMO.
- Tepa (DE): Hawaii verbal but he may be one of the silent commits. CRN has been recruiting him pretty damn hard and we really need some help on the DE position. Tepa realizes the potential for early PT and the job CRN is doing and is UCLA bound.
- Van Noy (LB): Has made it well known that it is BYU. Coming for a visit but highly unlikely he comes to UCLA.
- Maka (LB): Zona verbal but his parents want him to go to UCLA. Parents ALWAYS win out.
- White (S): If qualified, UCLA bound.
- Tonga (S): Sticking with Hawaii
- McKay (S): UCLA is his dream school but has concerns about depth. It’ll be White or McKay. One or the other IMO.
- Pollard (CB): Unfortunately, I see him sticking with ND. If DW was still here, then we had a decent shot in swaying him back.
- Eguae (DT): Don’t know anything about him. Undersized for a DT but I doubt that he comes to Westwood. Big 12 bound somewhere.
- Hubbard (OL): Elsewhere. I think he is standing in line behind the other O linemen.
I’m not sure if my figures are accurate but we will have 66 guys on scholarship next year. That leaves us with 19 rides. Only 25 per class unless you mix in some early enrollments (Presley, Brehaut & Taylor thus far) and Gray Shirts. Seeing that we already have 18 verbals, how the math works I have no clue as CRN is actively recruiting these kids. Dohn mentioned that there would be no attrition but we’ll see how this plays out. Juco’s Williams, Johnson and Warner may not qualify. Warner is a MUST get IMO or the DT position will be dire should Price leave early to the NFL. Need the scour the area for some DT’s but it may not materialize in this recruiting class (NOTE: George Uko of Chino is said to like UCLA a lot but he is a 2010 recruit). There are other kids waiting on offers from UCLA but it’ll likely be determined based on what happens with the remainder of the class.
I’m optimistic that the staff can keep the current verbals (especially Hasiak) together and supplement this solid class with some additional names. Hopefully my predictions on the bigger names are off and we see a few surprises come signing day.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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You're very brave Reign
Putting together coherent and logical thoughts on recruiting is no easy task, but you’ve clearly done that. I agree with a lot of what you have to say and even the things I disagree with I find very plausible. I’ll expand upon my thoughts later, but what you’ve done is great. Definitely rec’d.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 6, 2009 4:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Recommened. Thank you for putting this together!
by uclafan11 on Jan 6, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very nice work
Recruiting seems to be one of the hardest things to keep track of. Kudos to all who are able to stay on top of it, especially in football. There are fewer rides to give out in basketball and the talent easier to distinguish. I’d have a hard enough time keeping track of all these guys and what they’re doing, much less be confident enough to hand out predictions. Bravo.
by Tydides on Jan 6, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beautifully done
I’m looking forward to signing day with much anticipation. Do you have any guess as to where our ranking will end up? Top 15? Top 20?
by DH91 on Jan 6, 2009 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tough to say
Scout does rankings based on average star rankings and we’re sitting at 24 right now. ESPN goes tracks Top 15 with 5 “on the cusp” at this time. I don’t think we’ll make ESPN’s Top 25 due to their reliance on their Top 150 list. I don’t think we’ll crack Top 20. We’ll probably move up a couple of spots on Scout when all is said and done. If we get a Big Fish, then I think we crack Top 20 but doesn’t look that way right now to me.
by BlueReign on Jan 6, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we might be better than our current rankings
As for recruiting class rankings via scout or rivals, I personally think our current class is actually better than ranked, and I think it has to do with all of our JUCO signees. The JUCO’s just seemed to have minimal impact on the rankings as they were announced and included in the mix. When we would announce a JUCO signee, it seemed like our team got hardly any bump at all, yet another team would sign a undersized HS 3 star and moved up 3 places. Maybe the JUCO players really do fly under the radar on all accounts, even value….because you don’t get them for 4 to 5 years? I don’t know here, I’m just spectulating..BlueReign do you have any input on this?. But that’s okay, in our current lack of depth situation, I would rather take a bulked up 20 year old and just work on his technique, than an undersized Freshman, and wait for him to develop and work on his technique.
Tru-Bleu
by tru-bleu on Jan 7, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Rankings are just for fun/bragging rights to me. I don’t give it too much weight. Otherwise, how does a Boise/TCU/Utah kick BCS butt. Got to find the right guys that fit into your system and whom have upside that is not recognized by the so called experts yet. I personally like the class thus far. Adding this class to last year’s class should form a solid foundation for years to come. CRN is already making inroads for the 2010 Class so suc will have their hands full as long as we perform on the field.
Ranking recruits is not an exact science so trying to rank JC’s is that much tougher IMO. Tougher because they aren’t really evaluated that much or the opportunity to evaluate them is not in abundance. HS kids have the Nike combines, camps run by schools, recruiting websites, etc. HS kids get all the fanfare during their recruitment and on signing day. JC guys get lost in the shuffle. I think it partially has to do with the thought that if they didn’t qualify from HS, they likely won’t make it going through the JC system. And if you had to go through the JC ranks, then there is a stigma that you weren’t good enough in the first place. There are exceptions but I think this is the general thought process with JC’s.
The JC guys we have thus far fit our needs and I think they’ll be able to bring something to the table. I personally like the fact that we are supplementing the class with JC guys who are more physically mature to battle at the D1 level. Don’t want to turn into K-State but we’ve had some success with JC’s in the past. We discussed this in the past but as a team, we physically don’t look like the powerhouse programs. That’ll get fixed in due time but we can use the help right now.
by BlueReign on Jan 7, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the feed back Blue
I couldn’t agree more, and for what it worth (not even bragging rights), at least we are on the same page here. So if going to the JUCO’s at the line positions on both sides, supplements our depth with immediate impact…..sounds like a no-brainer to me. Which will in turn take off the pressure or likelyhood of having to throw a Baca type kid under the bus prematurely physically and burn a year off his time because we didn’t have the depth. I thought he did a great job, but you just know he would have been so much better with another year of weight training and work, before being thrown in the pool. I would think this one year dipping heavily into the JUCO’s will be sufficient when added to the rest of this class plus all the returning linemen, that we will not have to do it in the future and just take them out of HS and have them for a full 5 years under CRN tutleage.
As for 2010, for the first time that I can recall we are finally getting the jump (or at least putting us in the mix) on not only on the top local but national recruits as well! In the Carrol era, they have always had the jump on us for sure and almost every school on the top national recruits Then I keep hearing from the majority of those kids when they sign, say, well SC was the first school here, and showed me they really wanted me. If the early recruiting steals a couple of kids a year from SC, it will all be worth it and the field will start leveling even faster.
Thanks again for the original great post!
by tru-bleu on Jan 7, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kennard isn't coming here
He’s narrowed his choices to USC, Texas and Cal, so he’s not one of the silent commits.
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 6, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Correct
He was supposed to trip this weekend but that was a while ago and he ain’t on the list. No mention of us recently so we’re pretty much eliminated. But just because of CRN, I’m holding out the slightest of hope but am realistic as well.
by BlueReign on Jan 6, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
silly question(s)...
If we get all 18 verbals to sign, does that leave only one other recruit from the pool of possibles that we could sign? What happens if we have too many offers out to recruits than spaces available??
Great work here! Thanks BR
by Bald Eagle on Jan 6, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There can always be adjustments
For example Pressley will be enrolling early (along with another JC commit or two) which will impact the numbers. Plus room always opens up via attrition (transfers/retirement etc).
by Nestor on Jan 6, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Su'a-Filo
I never thought we had a shot with Martinez (he really wanted to go to Southern Cal badly). If your speculation correct, guess he is probably a uphill battle.
I feel good about Phillip though.
by Nestor on Jan 6, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
I’d be ecstatic with this OL class if Hasiak stands pat and we get Phillip. I’m crossing my fingers.
by BlueReign on Jan 6, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep me too
Holding on Hasiak and getting Phillip will be huge. And if somehow we can reel in Ebele …
by Nestor on Jan 7, 2009 4:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I find it hard to follow the recruiting corridors, so I rely on my brother for this. He’s hardcore Bruin and follows recruiting religiously. Just based on the amount of time he spends to gather this information, your write up is impressive. Great work.
by brewinz on Jan 7, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sanders
Sounds like Sanders is coming here, from rivals.com:
“It is down to Miami and UCLA,” Sanders said. “I’m leaning towards UCLA, but I will make my decision after my trip to UCLA.”
“First off I want to major in cinema and learn cinematography,” Sanders said. “My interest is in filmmaking, editing and all aspects of the business. I want to be a part of filmmaking.”
“I know getting involved with an internship during the summer will be easier in Los Angeles,” Sanders said. “I know if football doesn’t work out the networking I develop at UCLA will help me with my future.”
“The opportunity for early playing time is also there for me at UCLA,” Sanders said. “I really like Coach Rick Neuheisel a lot, he’s a player’s coach.”
“I also like the location of UCLA,” Sanders said. “It is very close to Santa Monica and the beach. I liked UCLA’s campus a lot. I felt very comfortable there.”
by BruinJD on Jan 7, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another name
Semisi Tokolahi (DT): 6-3, 290 lbs from Hawaii
-We’re coming into the picture late and pushing for a visit from him. Got visits set with Wazzu, Wash, Oregon St. & Colorado. Zona just offered so he’ll have 1 visit left. Norm is leading the charge on this guy.
by BlueReign on Jan 7, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No specifics
I’m much too far from the recruiting world to add any specifics on individual players (and huge props to BlueReign and those you who are contributing to this. But one generality I can easily see is that as we come down to the wire, we are in the mix for more big time players than we have been in many many years. This is a very encouraging sign for the direction of the program.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
by gbruin on Jan 8, 2009 7:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you guys sure know how to raise a guy's spirits!
thanks for all your work on this
Across The Face
by rb bruin on Jan 9, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You were wrong Reign
Pollard has switched back. I thought DW leaving would make him stay with ND too, but I’m happy to be wrong!
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 10, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong
to feel so good for being so wrong. YES!
by BlueReign on Jan 10, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May have been wrong about Pollard, but Reign called the other 3!
Great job!
by swc89 on Jan 10, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just fyi
silent commits were Sanders and Pollard
by bucknellbruin on Jan 11, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hubbard to UAB
I believe we cooled on him as we have other OL that are of higher priority.
Also, Dohn mentioned there may be a 3rd silent commit. Interesting….
by BlueReign on Jan 12, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would have liked Hubbard to wait
I think if we lose out of Phillip then Hubbard would have been a good guy to fall back on. If we get Phillip it’s not an issue though.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 12, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also Van Noy
was a silent to BYU and confirmed this weekend.
by BlueReign on Jan 12, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LDS faith wins out again
Van Noy seemed to mention his LDS faith in nearly every interview so this commit isn’t a surprise.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 12, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hasiak
Cal is gunning hard for him and given their recent success at OL … they have a great shot in taking him away. This will be a fight to finish.
by Nestor on Jan 13, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bad news
Hasiak just switched to Cal. CRN isn’t going to take this lying around but not good. He is a top notch talent and was handling guys at the UA game. If we don’t turn him back, Phillips becomes that much more crucial.
by BlueReign on Jan 13, 2009 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
apparently
it was academic issues that forced him to flip. Not positive about this, but it would make sense. If it’s true, what I don’t get is why Cal, which has the reputation of being the more difficult school to get into, can accept Stan and we can’t.
by bucknellbruin on Jan 13, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't fall for that academic excuse
That’s typical sour grapes excuse from Bruin message board posters. It could be a simple explanation of Ca having a better reputation at OL in recent years. It’s a set back for now. But big ups to Cal. Hope CRN keeps fighting away till the signing day. It’s not over yet.
by Nestor on Jan 13, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not using it as an excuse at all
i’m not even sure if that’s even true; i was just looking for clarification one way or another. Either way they got him from us, good for them. It’s too bad, but we had an inkling this would happen. We should be fine – i still have more than enough faith in CRN that he’ll get us back where we need to be.
by bucknellbruin on Jan 13, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
I didn’t think you would fall for it. I just wanted to make a note of it because I saw number of message board posters coming out with that automated academic response as soon as the news broke. I think that’s such a cop out (especially when its thrown out there without concrete evidence) and very unfair to these 17-18 year olds. It will be interesting to see how CRN and the staff deals with this setback and finish in the coming days.
by Nestor on Jan 13, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've heard
Hasiak has been doing well academically and the GPA’s and SAT’s I’ve been hearing don’t seem like they’d be an issue. From what I’ve heard (which could be wrong), academics don’t seem to be an issue here.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 13, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
per scout.com
he has a 2.7 GPA and 1050 SAT (old version). I think (correct me if im wrong) that would qualify him for UCLA. So clearly it’s not academics.
by bucknellbruin on Jan 13, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would make him a special admit
Though I have no idea if that’s too low.
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 13, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He retook his SATs and upped his GPA
"Hasiak’s academics are solid, with a GPA of 3.6 last quarter to go along with a 3.4 the previous quarter and an SAT score of 1520. "
Personally if I got that score I’d have gotten my ass kicked by my parents but whatever…
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Jan 14, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That still might make him a special admit
Though it’s obviously up to the point where they would have no qualms in taking him, and a lack of interest from UCLA clearly wasn’t the issue either.
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 14, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I think that the
“Cal has lower academic requirements” excuse is a bit of a cop out. They are a good football team, they have a young charismatic coach, and a much better offensive line than us… there are many similarities so it’s no wonder that we’ll lose a few to them. We can’t be so Bruin-centric to think that everything happens as a result of something we do.
CRN has already shaped what looks to be a real solid class, and what comforts me is that I know he’s working hard until the very end – that’s all we can ask for atm.
B.F.
by eubruin on Jan 13, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I Met Coach Neu Today on the golf course!
He told me that he thinks we’re still not out of it get Hasiak back.
But regardless of where the kid ends up, I was so happy that he was warm, friendly, and definitely passionate about his job, he brought up the recruiting talk without me even making mention of it haha!
Also Nestor, I did mention that i follow a great blog called Bruins Nation so who knows, maybe he’ll check it out and see what going on over here
O.A.
by Ollie on Jan 13, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hasiak’s academics are solid, with a GPA of 3.6 last quarter to go along with a 3.4 the previous quarter and an SAT score of 1520.
Tedford...if you're reading this...I'LL WORK FOR FREE! I'll fill out your Coach's Poll!
by carp on Jan 14, 2009 7:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interest only
Juco Zach Masch (DT), 6-3, 285 lb
Verballed to Hawaii. No offer from us at this time. From Nevada City Union (Havner’s HS) and has 3 to play 2.
by BlueReign on Jan 15, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Parent's Won Out
Taniela Maka is a Bruin
by HE HATE ME on Jan 15, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
maka
committed over the weekend with the other guys right?
btw, the dalton hilliard commit any relation to the former saints running back with the same name?
Across The Face
by rb bruin on Jan 15, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
BlueReign
Do you know any status update on the 5-star JC Myles Wade. I know he was signed by Oregon out of HS, and I have watched him for months, and on one else has offered him anything either, including us, yet we have always been on his interested list. Could be grades? Any inside scoop on him? I just wondered now that we seem to be looking at Masch, we must have decided against Wade.
by tru-bleu on Jan 15, 2009 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blue, I forgot to ask
Do you think the plan is to team, Sanders and Graham at bookend DE’s with height and speed?
by tru-bleu on Jan 15, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Educated Guess
For whatever reason, it is very difficult for JC’s to get into UCLA. Add to this that Wade did not qualify out of HS for Oregon and as you stated, has no offers. I don’t have any facts to back this up but you have to think it was an academic issue when you put all the things together. I would have loved to have Wade but I knew we never had a shot.
I don’t know about teaming the two together because we still have Datone, whom I’m very high on and others. Both of them will be in the mix in the future but they’re likely RS candidates. They need some beef /strength and need to learn & adjust to the college game. Something to keep in mind is that both of them come from states that aren’t really known for football. Thus, they may have dominated due to the lower level of competition so it will likely take time for them to adjust. I like their measureables but I trust the true experts (CRN & formerly DW) who evaluated them in the first place. I’m just an Armchair QB. :)
by BlueReign on Jan 15, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We ALLl are armchair QB's
No problem there..that’s the fun of it, right? Thanks for the input and backing up some thoughts. Are these the same states that we are so hopeful of getting 4 star lineman from? Ha. Just kidding blue, just couldn’t resist responding to your statement with Xavier sitting out there from Provo, that we would all be overly elated if he committed to us, wouldn’t we? But your right, I’ve always felt that way about these so called 4 and 5 star kids from places like NV, AZ, IA and the likes, and I always find myself asking, how would such and such do in Southern California, Florida across to Texas? So I’ve always downgraded a recruit about a half star if they are more than likely playing (to me anyway) lesser talent. Of course, the paid scouters are suppose to take that it to account to, but I don’t trust them…..remember, than how would the likes of TCU, Utah, Boise State be beating up on better rated guys!
Dig the give and take Blue. Go Bruins.
by tru-bleu on Jan 15, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see this one coming
Phillips to Oregon St. Wacky world of recruiting is all I can say……
by BlueReign on Jan 19, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Touche Blue!
We lose the one (Phillips) we thought we were strongest on, and we lose the one (Hasiak) that CRN and company felt really good about, so that means the one we collectively felt the least likely (Xavier), will commit to us tomorrow and Hasiak will decommit to Cal! Well, I can hope can’t I? Anyway, good thing we didn’t put all our eggs in those HS OL baskets, and decided to pick up all those JUCO lineman for next year anyway, it will still give us so much more depth and competition. Now we need those soft verbals to become firm commits. IMO, common sense goes right out the window for maybe half the recruits at least (i.e. Pryor to OSU, instead of following RR to Michigan where he runs the type of offense Pryor is suited for?), and it seems the higher they are ranked the more of a head scratcher it becomes, like Phillips. With all his choices and he chose Oregon State? It really, really shows me that at 18, how much of a pressure filled moment these are for these kids. It appears so often that a decision was made just to make one, and be done with it, such as Phillips. On the other hand Billy Sanders, our recent commit, who switched because he decided he wanted to do something with a TV/film major was one of the few common sense moves I heard this recruiting season.
But it is just because of this Phillips move, that keeps me glued to the recruiting stuff because you never know.
by tru-bleu on Jan 20, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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