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Tom Dienhart from Yahoo! Sports injects some new names into CRN’s search for a new DC:

Neuheisel in search mode

With DeWayne Walker off to be coach at New Mexico State, UCLA needs a defensive coordinator.

Many feel a top target may be Montana coach Bobby Hauck, who has done a masterful job in six seasons as coach of the Grizzlies. Hauck's ties to Rick Neuheisel run deep, having served on Neuheisel's staffs at Washington (1999-2002) and Colorado (1995-98). But Hauck may not be interested.

Two other names are Georgia State defensive coordinator John Thompson and former Nebraska defensive coordinator Kevin Cosgrove. Thompson was coach at East Carolina from 2003-04 and has been a defensive coordinator at numerous schools in the Southeast. Cosgrove helped make Wisconsin a national power as Badgers defensive coordinator from 1995-2003. Both are accomplished recruiters, too.

Another possibility is former Syracuse coach Greg Robinson, though he may land back in the NFL.

Another possibility is former Syracuse coach Greg Robinson, though he may land back in the NFL.

So the two new names are: Kevin Cosgrove and Greg Robinson. It seems like a bad news/good news kind of deal. Let’s start with Cosgrove.

I went over to Corn Nation, our SBN colleagues covering Nebraska to look up info on Cosgrove. The feedback is not pretty in reaction to news Cosgrove is showing up in stories related to coaching searches (he is also in the mix for the DC position in Minnesota):

According to Husker Extra's Steve Sipple, Kevin Cosgrove could be headed to Minnesota to replace Gophers’ ex-DC Ted Roof who’s headed to Auburn.

I know what you’re thinking. Someone would hire the guy that took a Blackshirt defense and turned it into the biggest pile of steaming poo in over 100 years of football? Someone would hire that guy?

Apparently Kevin Cosgrove had no clue about how to stop the spread offense.

Needless to say that’s a little disconcerting. However, one factor to consider is often a terrible head coach (in this case Bill Callahan) has the ability to make his assistant look awful. Remember Nebraska fans also were not all that crazy about Jay Norvell (look up BN archives for posts on Norvell when he was being rumored as the next UCLA OC) either. Jay turned out to be a dud in Westwood (I won’t go into details because there are plenty of discussion on that topic here on BN). Yet apparently Training Jay is now getting profiled in the NY Times thanks to being part of Stoops program in Oklahoma. So keep that in mind. Still the feedback on Cosgrove from Corn Nation (who I have a lot of respect for) is disconcerting).

On the other hand, Greg Robinson is an intriguing possibility. He has UCLA connections as he has coached in Westwood before (during the Donahue years). Of course he got fired from ‘Cuse this year for not being able to kick start that program (and failing terribly at it in fact). Yet, Robinson seemed to have made a pretty good impression on Texas fans from his time as a DC for Mack Brown. Longhorn fans on Burnt Orange Nation are nostalgic about Robinson’s defense because they “seemed to play hard until the whistle blew”:

Not to say that I want Greg Robinson and Dick Tomey back, but I loved the fact that Robinson's defense seemed to play hard until the whistle blew.  I think he even had some drills where he did not blow the whistle until at least 3 or 4 players got to the ball carrier.  I just don't see that kind of determination out of this year's squad.

BONers also praised Robinson for making “Texas more physical” and teaching them "to create turnovers":

Texas really hasn't had a dominating defense since the Fred Akers days, but Robinson had the next best thing. He took the bend-but-don't break approach, made Texas more physical and taught them to create turnovers. In the Rose Bowl he made the mistake of sticking to zone and Henne lit them up. He was also limited by personnel (slow white LBs).  

Hmm. While Texas fans talked about Robinson going with a “bend-but-don’t break” approach in Austin, he was liked by Denver Broncos fans (where he won 2 superbowls as Shanahan's DC) for blitzes and bringing heat. He also led one of the best NFL defensive turnarounds when he was in Denver. Again Denver fans at MIle High Report praised him as their "last really good DC" who was seemingly scapegoated by Shanahan despite having a successful season.

From the descriptions above it seems like Robinson is one of those coaches who is a perfect Donahue clone: solid but not necessarily spectacular. Still overall the feedback on Robinson is much more positive at BON and at MHR than the ones on Cosgrove at CN. Then again that might also have to do with the factor of leadership at the very top. Cosgrove coached under a clown like Callahan while Robinson worked for one of the better coaches in college football.

I think CRN is taking his time because he wants to talk to some coaches in the NFL as well. Most notably I would look through the bios of defensive coaches of Baltimore Ravens who are still in the playoffs. I wonder if CRN will reach out to candidates such as Chuck Pagano, Mike Pittine or Mark Carrier. I like Mark’s credentials:

Mark Carrier entered his 2nd year with the team as the secondary coach in 2007.  The Ravens were 1st in overall defense (a Ravens' 1st), including 6th against the pass and 1st in INTs in the NFL in 2006. Baltimore also had 5 of their 28 INTs returned for TDs (tops in the NFL), tying their 2004 team record. Carrier, a 3-time Pro Bowl safety and 1990 NFL-Defensive Rookie of the Year for the Chicago Bears, played 11 years in the NFL: 7 with the Bears, 3 with the Lions and 1 year with the Redskins.

Overview: Joined Baltimore in 2006 as secondary coach...The 11-year NFL veteran player also coached the Arizona State CBs for 2 years (2004-05)...Carrier retired from the NFL after the 2000 season (post-Redskins) and launched a career as a sports commentator with various radio and television outlets, including WGN in Chicago, ESPN's XTRA-910 and the USC Football Radio Network... Carrier, who earned 3 Pro Bowl trips while with Chicago (1990-91, ‘93), was the NFL-Defensive Rookie of the Year (1990) after leading the NFL with 10 INTs.

Bringing a rising coaching star like Carrier with Trojan background would be priceless while Kenny is busy with those fingertapes across town. Just something to think about.

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No to Robinson!!!

Whoa, let’s not say Denver fans were high on Robinson. Before his college days, Robinson was DC for for the Denver Broncos in the late 90’s (and I was a season ticket holder in the South Stands). Robinson ran a very gimmicky gap control defense that had little to no room for error and was maddeningly prone to giving up numerous big plays. It was the same story every week: if a single player missed an assignment, esp near the point of attack (i.e. filled the wrong gap, missed a tackle, blitz got picked up), there was no one else available to stop the play. The defense was repeatedly burned for big yardage plays several times a game.

The weakness of his scheme was hidden somewhat by the fact that he had guys like Steve Atwater (future HOF), Alfred Williams, Bill Romanowski (I hated the freak but he does have like 4 rings), Mike Lodish (Bruin who played in like 6 Super Bowls), Neil Smith (future HOF), and several other very good players, but was mostly covered up by the fact that John Elway (HOF), Terrell Davis (HOF if not for injury), Shannon Sharpe (soon to be HOF), Rod Smith (deserves HOF), and Gary Zimmerman (HOF) and the best OL in the NFL were putting up 35+ points a game and other teams were forced to play catch up. Robinson has 2 Super Bowl rings, but it was NOT a Super Bowl worthy defense in any way.

Greg Robinson coming to Westwood would be a disaster. We do not have (and cannot ever reasonably expect to have) the talent on either side of the ball to cover up for his “bend and break several times” defense. His “success” in Denver is an illusion. His days in Syracuse tell the truth.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jan 8, 2009 7:25 AM PST reply actions  

re: stopping the spread

the only way to stop the spread is via recruiting. The spread by its nature is all about creating one on one matchups by spreading out your offensive players and exploiting the weakeneses in the defense that way. In a traditional offense, a defense can hide individual weakenesses through various schemes that provide help to individual defenders. This is almost impossible in a spread attack. So, the way you stop is through great individual athletes at every position. Few teams can do that.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Jan 8, 2009 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

GA State Defensive Coordinator

I find Thompson’s name being bandied about extremely humorous for one reason: Georgia State technically doesn’t even have a football program yet. The team is scheduled to begin playing in 2010 in the FCS sub-division.

If I recall, Thompson was the DC at Ole Miss when the Oregeron was there. He’s more of an old-timer; can’t say I’d be too thrilled with any of the ‘new’ choices outlined above. Meh.

by CAJason80 on Jan 8, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

Don't like either one

Take it for what its worth. I asked a buddy of mine who is a diehard Nebraska fan about Cosgrove and this is what he wrote back:

YOU DON’T WANT HIM!!!!!!!!! He takes defenses where they go to die!!!! The dude gives up more big plays than any coach I’ve ever seen. If you get him you will get less turnovers and 0 picks because his D backs don’t look back at the ball. He’s F’in brutal.
 
This is an honest to god story. I worked with a guy in Omaha who has a brother in Wisconsin. He went to a Wisconsin game with his brother and wore a Nebraska shirt. The crowd cheered him walking to his seat and they all thanked him for taking Cosgrove. Nuff said!!!!!!

I then asked him to expand a bit, if his philosophy was conservative or aggressive. Does he run a bend but don’t break system and why the DB’s never looked back for the ball. His reply:

It’s pretty conservative. He doesn’t blitz a whole lot, but plays a lot of man coverage with his corners. He was good at Wisconsin because he had great athletic corners and safeties. If you have that, his D can work. The biggest problem I had with him is the lack of pressure on the QB. I think that he is easily out coached, makes poor halftime adjustments and is very predictable. I don’t know why the DB’s don’t look back but I knew a guy who went to NU and said they weren’t taught to look back at the ball. They were to keep their eyes locked on the receivers.
 
I think the best comment on his is what I said above…… he doesn’t adjust well, he’s predictable and just gets out coached. He’s good with superior talent (but let’s face it, you and I could coach with great talent) but can’t plug his weaknesses.

Callahan was a horrendous coach but the pathetic performance of the D I put on Cosgrove because Callahan loves his O and I can’t see him spending too much time to dictate what the D does. During his tenure, he pretty much killed Nebraska’s Black Shirt tradition. They weren’t physical at the point of attack nor did it seem like the players knew what the hell they were doing let alone supposed to do. I can’t get that suc game in Lincoln out of my mind. There were HUGE holes for suc RB’s to run through and no defender even touched them until 10 -15 yds down the field. Shocking to say the least.

Regarding Robinson, I think gbruin sums it up well. His success IMO was due to the level of talent that he had to work with. I don’t think he is a good tactician nor do I think he makes adjustments very well. I just don’t like his scheme because without talent (We don’t have Texas level talent right now), it’ll get ugly.

I don’t know much about Hauck besides what has been reported. UCLA has a storied tradition in the secondary. I believe we have that talent right now in the program and it is never an issue for us to find the talent locally. Our problem has always been our ability to get DL, especially DT’s. A lot of that has to do with the lack of quality DT’s that are produced in the West region as opposed to the South. The Pac 10 has always been ahead of the nation when it comes to Offense and has historically been a Quarterback conference. Unless we have the DL talent like the NYG who can get pressure on the QB with 4 down lineman, we cannot play a Cover 2 scheme in the back 7 such as TB. It won’t work, especially in college as opposed to the NFL where everyone is big & fast.

My point is due to these factors, I think a more aggressive/innovative DC is what we need. A “Bend but don’t break” philosophy won’t be able to get pressure on the QB. Pressure the QB and the Offense will struggle. The offenses and QB’s in the Pac 10 are too good. DW wasn’t perfect but I agreed with his philosophy on D. I’m pretty sure he could have had better results if he had a bit more talent on D. I hope we look for somebody that can think outside of the box and has an aggressive philosophy on D.
A bit longer than I expected but oh well……

by BlueReign on Jan 8, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

John Thompson

’nuff said.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jan 8, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

On a side note...

One person who won’t be DC: Kenny.

Seems petey “promoted” him to some sort of AC while giving the DC gig to Rocky Seto.

See how your loyalty pays off at $C?

Good for you Kenny!

by Bruins102NCAA on Jan 8, 2009 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

I saw that

Totally agree about Kenny’s “promotion.”

Kind of like when you get promoted to be the Executive Vice-Assistant in Charge of Managing Something Or Other.

by Barnes2JJ on Jan 8, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Assistant TO the Regional Manager...

for those of you who are fans of “The Office” LOL!

by uclafan11 on Jan 8, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Mark Carrier?

I don’t care about his USC ties, but he’s only been a coach for five years. What exactly makes anyone think he’d be a good DC?

Insert witty signature of your own choosing here.

by Flapjacks McGurty on Jan 8, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

Uh.....

BONers also praised Robinson for making "Texas more physical" and teaching them “to create turnovers”

by qazplm3 on Jan 8, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Hahaha

I saw that too. I couldn’t help but chuckle. BONers. Haha.

by Bellerophon on Jan 8, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody has offered Tuberville a DC or HC job!

People say it is a pipedream to get Tuberville for the defensive coordinator job, but why hasn’t he been offered one single job since he resigned from Auburn over a month ago?

I have a hunch that he will be again a defensive coordinator somewhere before he is ever again a head coach. (He is burned out as a head coach.)

by edflick on Jan 8, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

I'm willing

to let CRN and staff decide who the best candidate is. He’s been pretty astute in filling positions so far, and I don’t have reason to doubt him in this latest search.

In the past, we have seen that so-so, or even good, coordinators under bad HCs were bad coordinators. And, bad coordinators under bad HC’s were atrocious coordinators.

But, a good HC changes everything. Whoever it turns out to be, it will be because our staff sees, and are capable of bringing out, the best in a new DC.

by Bruinut on Jan 8, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone see this from B. Dohn?

It was in his “Answers, Part VI” blog post today at the Daily News. If you’re not familiar with this, it’s a weekly feature where he answers questions from readers.

Do you know anything of UCLA hiring a “mind blowing” coach? I read UCLA could possibly be hiring a great coach who no one thought of.

Yes, I know who that person is, but I’m not sure if it will happen. Again, sources ask me to keep it quiet, so for now I will.

Any ideas who this person could be?

Insert witty signature of your own choosing here.

by Flapjacks McGurty on Jan 9, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

I know, too.

Not to try to steal Doh!’s thunder, but I also know who the DC is going to be. Unfortunately for everyone out there but Doh! and me, the three wealthy and influential alumnit who gave me the information told me to keep it quiet. I wish I could reveal it, but I was told to keep it quiet. It sure makes me feel like a great big high-powered journalist with Lots Of Real Good Sources Who Give Me Lots Of Really Juicy Inside Tidbits to have this info. And Doh!, if you read this, the three wealthy and influential alumnit told me before they told you, so nyah, nyah, nyah.

Boy, aren’t you envious. I know who the new DC is and you don’t.

Or, Flapjacks, to put it another way, I don’t know who the DC is going to be, and neither does Doh!.

by Fox 71 on Jan 10, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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