1 Bruin Finished With "Patience"
Bumped. GO BRUINS. -N
I can't believe how my perception of the FB program has turned a 180 in a matter of 4 weeks. There is no excuse for what has happened or has not happened with this team and program.
I don't know if this is CRN or CNC's doing but our Offense is as vanilla as KD was as a HC. The conservative/limit mistakes offense was appropriate in a hostile environment with a RS FR QB but it's as if we've been playing in Knoxville every week thereafter. They keep on talking about stretching the field vertically but I'm not seeing this done on a consistent basis. Perfect example was the KP pick 6. Yes, KP should not have stared down the receiver and not thrown the ball but IMO, the coaches did not help the situation. All game long, we've been running short routes without threatening the field vertically. Everyone on that play was running a hitch. That CB was just waiting to pounce on that route. Oregon was starting a 3rd string CB yet we could not take advantage of this matchup?!? Just boggles my mind.
The staff is not utilizing the talent on this team appropriately, specifically the WR position. At this point, I cannot tell if Austin and Embree are just not that good or if their lack of production is a product of the playcalling. Either way, Rosario/Pressley/Carroll need more opportunities. These guys have advantages physically and can pose matchup problems. People have mentioned if we have a Fade Route in our playbook. Wouldn't it have been nice to see us use Rosario and Pressley down in the Red Zone instead of trying 2 QB sneaks in a row? Why assist the opposition by not utilizing their size but instead turn them into 5-10 WR's?
Example: In the Ole Miss/Bama game, Bama came out in an empty back field. Single WR to the right and bunch formation to the left (4 WR in a diamond formation). They threw a quick pass to the receiver in the back for 7 yds. Later in the game, they use the same formation but its flipped. The defense adjusts to this but this time, McElroy hits Julio Jones for about 25 yds as he was matched up man to man. Now imagine Rosario/Pressley/Embree in the front of the formation with a guy like Thigpen or Austin in the back or let another WR beat his man 1 on 1. If a defensive minded coach like Saban and his staff can come up with a play like that, I don't see why an offensive HC such as CRN and offensive guru like CNC cannot come up with something imaginative such as this. Frustrating doesn't begin to describe my feelings.
Our defense has been solid but there should be no talk about our defense being dominant. Gerhart ran all over our defense last week and we failed to tackle James all game long. That James run from the 1 yd line is a perfect example and flipped the field. This defense has MAJOR tackling issue. They continue to fail to wrap up time and time again. When we do tackle, the opponent always gets YAC yards or leans forward for another yard or two. In our back seven, we lack guys that just come up and destroy the opponent. We don't make hits like Telemeque (former LB Poly kid at Miami) who attacks the ballcarrier (See his upending of the GT RB) instead of breaking down and getting blown bye (See Sheldon Price).
I'm not privy to what exactly Viney did but he needs to get back on the field over Price. Price is not ready and really needs to get in the weight room. He cannot shed blocks nor is he ready to come up to make sure tackles. Viney may be undersized but he does tackle well for his size.
Ganz needs to get his pink slip. Our Special Teams was actually better under the old regime. The staff needs to take a look at putting more physical guys on ST. During that Kickoff return, you could clearly see Love being manhandled and not able to shed his block. On a side note, Love for all his physical attributes plays a lot smaller and lacks the type of killer instinct one would think he'd have considering his size.
Someone posted that CRN was telling the crowd to come out next week to support the team against Cal. I'll be there but not because of CRN but because of my support for the kids. Last year was understandable considering the transition from the prior regime and the turmoil (injuries) we went through. I did not anticipate us going 10-2 or something ridiculous like that. I do expect us to at least be 6-6 and get to a bowl game. This goal is still attainable but major changes must be made.
Asking for bowl eligibility is not asking too much in today's environment. Fair or not, coaches need to win and win as soon as possible. If Paul Johnson and Rich Rodriguez can instill a new/unorthodox offense without the parts and win, I don't see why CRN and staff can win with the ingredients on this roster. If a Guz Malzahn can turn bring Auburn's offense into the new millenium, I don't see why CRN and staff can't. Many have said that we could arguably have the best staff in the nation, well.....I'm still waiting and I'm pretty damn sure I'm not the only one.
For this Bruin fan, the Honeymoon is over. Players ultimately determine the outcome of the game but this staff has failed miserably in my eyes in putting our kids in positions to succeed thus far.
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About... well everything
I don’t want to shoot you down, but trying to keep everything level here, all in good sport of debate… just warning you.
The INT: The play is called Spacing in many offenses. (Ya I know it’s also in NCAA 10) TIM TEBOW has trouble making that read that quickly, so it’s not Prince’s fault entirely.
WRs: If you didn’t notice, the WR’s aren’t that great. Julio Jones is not even in the same ocean, not to mention league of talent as Terrence Austin or Taylor Embree. NC is being as aggressive as he can without being stupid.
Sp.T: Punt Coverage has been sublime so far. But for kickoffs: look at Urban Meyer’s Special teams, they all run like under 4.5 40’s, we just don’t have that kind of speed, or if you really want to be picky, the depth to replace starters who can get hurt on those plays, unlike Florida.
Other Coaches:
Rich Rodriguez walked in to a job with a lot of talent, just not in the right positions, and got lucky in finding Forcier this year. They’ve beaten a whole lot of BAD teams as well, so that won’t really qualify as IMMEDIATE results.
Paul Johnson uses the Flexbone perfectly, the biggest advantage: you don’t need a QB that knows how to throw the ball.
Didn’t mean to shoot you down, so I feel your pain man.
There's no one in the world that wants to beat UCLA more than _______.
by ucla13_usc9 on Oct 10, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All good
We don’t have a Julio Jones but my point was the scheme rather than the actual WR. We don’t take advantage of the size at the WR position which I just don’t understand.
You don’t need a team chalk full of 4.5 guys to have good special teams. We’re #104 in KO Returns. A lot of teams above us don’t have the roster that a Florida has.
Don’t buy your coaching argument nor him lucking out with Forcier. He is allowing his players to make plays and putting them in positions to do so. Michigan has beaten some bad teams but this is a game we could and should have won considering they were a one dimensional team due to Masoli being out.
by BlueReign on Oct 10, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we lost that somewhere
Just drawing the Special Teams, Florida…IMO is the best at it, so just drawing that opposite end of the pole…
As for making plays to fit the players. We’re doing that… except the styles are opposite to recruiting. If that’s unclear… subbing in a new offense is like hitting someone with a bat… sometimes it gets the point across, sometimes it leaves you with a dead guy. Check SMU…
I do agree on the fact that we should have won. It’s very good news that we SHOULD have won rather than we COULD have won if you get my drift
There's no one in the world that wants to beat UCLA more than _______.
by ucla13_usc9 on Oct 10, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreover
If our starting WRs are not talented and not getting it done, then why are they in the lineup? Agree with your takes Reign. I will still give Gansz till the end of this season to see if he can turn the ST around, but I am losing patience.
And can’t agree you more wrt to play calling.
by Nestor on Oct 11, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pick six
Yes, it was a bad throw by Prince. He should take his fair share of the blame for making it, but Austin could not have run a worse hitch route, which didn’t drive the defender off one bit, then Austin drifted away from the ball instead of coming back to it. Had he come back to the ball, he could have got a hand in there for an incomplete pass. Of course Prince should not have thrown it, but Austin had the chance to bail him out and did a poor job himself.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 10, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Austin shouldn't be getting the playing time
He has gotten last couple of games. He has don’t much to show he deserves to be a starter.
by Nestor on Oct 11, 2009 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That play was another example of our offensiveness ineptitude.
Prince threw the ball to the worst possible place – another example of why he should have been pulled after the first quarter, much less not started the second half. As a WR, Austin has to recognize what a bad throw his QB just made and become a DB. But he makes no move on the ball – another reason to utilize Rosario, Pressley, or Carroll. The buck stops with CRN. Being a former offensive coordinator and having Chow on his staff, there are no excuses for there not to be some noticeable improvement in year 2.
If the recruits keep coming, there is no doubt we will be better next year and should be very good and back in the top half of the Pac 10 in 2 years. But, the pain of recovering from the past 5 years continues to run deep. In 3-4 years, I can only hope the 2008 and 2009 seasons feel like a distant memory.
by kkucla on Oct 11, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is very noticable improvement
Maybe we haven’t improved to the degree that we had hoped, but I don’t think you can say there hasn’t been any noticeable improvement this year.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 11, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed- should have written "more noticeable improvement".
by kkucla on Oct 11, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The mere fact that running the ball is an option
Is big time improvement over last year.
by Tydides on Oct 11, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pick was a horrible decision by Prince
Both wideouts ran 7 yard hitch routes. Austin on top, and his defender was playing only 4 yards off the line of scrimage. So, when Austin ran his route, the defender was already relatively close to Austin and was able to jump it.
By contrast, the other wideout on the bottom of the screen was given 10 yards of cusion by the DB, and a quick strike on his hitch route would have likely been successful.
Prince needs to do a better job of reading defenses.
by bornagainbruin on Oct 12, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Florida-LSU announcers were talking a lot about bad routes
and the routes those teams were running looked great compared to what our guys were running
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Oct 11, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least one good thing
I got to watch a lot of the game (the wrong part, unfortunately). One thing I noticed was that our kicker was putting the ball into the end zone (obviously not far enough into the end zone on the opening kick of the second half), and the punter was kicking it a LONG way.
I agree with the need to be a little less timid on offense. If we want to make sure there are no mistakes, then have the QB take a knee on every play. I think that would all but eliminate interceptions. I am willing to go on record now to forgive Coach Chow if we try more deep stuff even if they don’t work.
by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have we forgotten....
KP hadn’t played in almost 3 weeks and he hasn’t eaten solid food in that same time. He simply wasn’t ready to play. He played like he was rusty, just as he should have. We can’t expect him to come out after a 3 week break and play like he hadnt been out. Yes he made a mistake and shouldn’t have thown the ball when he had that INT, but you try playing in the heat of the RB, after not eating for 3 weeks. You can’t tell me that didn’t affect how he played. There is alot of blame to go around for how we played. The receivers weren’t running their routes like they sould have, the defense wasn’t wrapping up on tackles, basic stuff. Also have to remember, not only are these kids and not pro’s but they are learning as well.
The coaches can only teach so much, the guys have to go out an perform, plain and simple. We do need some one on offense to step up and be a leader and who says it has to be a senior??? I’m just as frustrated as everyone else but I look at the bigger picture, Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither is this program going to be back to it’s glory days in one season. We need to be patient and have faith and trust in CRN/CNC and the rest of the coaches.
I’m all for venting but a little support is warranted. When your wife spends too much at the mall, do you scream and yell and run to divorce her? I think NOT, you talk to her and trust that she won’t do it again… Same here, only band wagon jumpers are the ones that are quick to criticize and we don’t want them here, go back to SUC… I also don’t see any of you Monday night QB’s out there in their shoe’s are you? No… We weren’t not expected to beat OU any ways and like Nestor said we were not expected to finish in the top of the Pac, so relax… It’s gonna get worse before it gets better… These guys have my support always… Once a bruin always a bruin….
by Michelleucla69 on Oct 11, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we are improving
The fact is our talent level is so young. The play calling is obviously not up to par. But there are REAL reasons for this as mentioned several times. Some of the frustration on this board is called for and others not so much. The offensive line for one, is much improved and it’s very exciting for me personally to see the growth and potential of a great O line in the making. We are getting the recruits, it’s going to take time lady’s and gentlemen. These coaches and kids are here to win. We should all take a deep breath as another poster has noted, and know that we have something special building here. It’s frustrating because in our society we want instant gratification. However that’s not reality here. CRN basically had to start from scratch and it’s only 4 games into his second season. I know it really sucks waiting Nine months to get back into football, with all the high expectations and all the time we all put into our beloved Bruins in the off season. Those who follow the team regularly throughout the entire year, knew what we were up against this year. Yes, we probably should have won the game against Oregon, trust me when I say there is more to come. We will likely lose more games this year just like the previous two. But have some faith and don’t act like fans from other programs that only care about winning and will throw their players and coaches under the bus when the tide turns and the road get’s bumpy. Hang in there Bruin Fans, we will be ok.
by westwood12003 on Oct 12, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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