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Another frustrating loss has got me thinking about what really makes good teams.  And the truth is, it isn't necessarily the product of talent, good play-calling, and/or a star quarterback. No, generally a good team creates a family atmosphere where everyone takes their role seriously and professionally, even if the role is a small one.  Players respect each other, fight for each other, and no matter how much playing time each gets, they treat each other as equals.  A good team has everyone on the same page.

I don't know if UCLA has any top-flight talent on offense.  I really don't.  It is shocking how bare the cupboard seems. Nevertheless, the lack of talent doesn't mean that the offense can't play pretty good, game in and game out.  Even without great talent, smart offenses can still put teams in position to win games.  UCLA's offense needs to play smart, stay within themselves, and do what they can do well.  They need to start thinking of themselves like a huge under-dog everyday, and realize they'll have to play smarter than better defenses to score points.  Even without good talent, I refuse to believe they can't play well.  They just need to play together. 

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The absence of a "team" feeling seems especially apparent on defense.  On defense I think we do have some very good players.  We have some stars actually.  But for all the talent I think we have, I wouldn't put $10 on our ability to stop a decent-to-good team on a consistent basis.  It's as if the players can't get past the hype that surrounds them.  And unfortunately, this has been going on for years.  Walker's defenses were always "the strongest unit" on the team, yet we couldn't expect them to win games for us.  And great defenses can win games for teams, even with bad offenses.  Sometimes it seems our guys think the UCLA logo on the helmet means they are the real deal.  Turns out, its just a logo, and means squat on the field.

I'm not sure what to make of the Bruins this year.  It's only year two under the new coaches, and certainly they'll need more time to mold this squad.  But I think the team needs to band together, throw expectations out the window, assume an underdog role, put their faith in the coaches, and just play together.  I read a lot about silver-linings and signs of life, but what I'd really like to see is the team just play like they are in a fox-hole with their lives dependent on each other. 

Success does not require top talent; sometimes it is the result of some kind of "it" factor.  I'm worried that we haven't seen the "it" factor in the UCLA football program for a long time.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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When you talked about the "team" feeling

I thought you were going to refer to the schism between our O and our D that was so apparent under the prior regime, and I got nervous that maybe that had come back. Honestly, I don’t have the football acumen to be able to tell when we’re not communicating as a team on the same side of the ball though, so you may have a good point about that.

by Tydides on Oct 17, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've never seen anything like this unity really

Actually, the team is “together” paying each due and what not. There hasn’t been a schism or something even close to that, the two sides haven’t “bagged” on each other, but asking the other to do its job, and that’s it. Very good unity on all notes though

There's no one in the world that wants to beat UCLA more than _______.

by ucla13_usc9 on Oct 17, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna go with ...

Freshman QB with unknown talent and upside…and a VERY young and mixed talent O-line.

I respect and admire everyone of these players for their effort.

Now, if anyone could help me figure out our “D” God bless ya! Talk about Jeykell and Hyde!!!

by GogetemBruins on Oct 18, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Consistency and Don't Quit

This post is right on about consistency and the defense. Yesterday, there were some big defensive plays on our part but on the next series our defense imitated the old Bob Toledo “15 yards and cloud of a whole bunch of dust” defense. (Remember those days—we would give up 47 points yet convincingly win by a field goal!). But we cannot be consistent this season given Coach Dorrall’s inability to lead or even manage a competent Division One recruitment program. Greater consistency will come with another year of solid recruitment. Let’s stay positive and fired up—even if we lose the all or most of the rest of our games which is the product of Coach Dorrall’s unsuccessful recruiting program Don’t quit!

by peggysue69 on Oct 18, 2009 10:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Born to Lead or Born to Lose?

I am having very serious doubts about ‘coach.’ Yes, he was a Rose Bowl hero and a solid Bruin cheerleader, but can he coach? Can he lead, inspire, and teach? I am having serious doubts he can do any of those things. He and his staff are doing well at recruiting now. But how many of 5 star players are going to want to come to UCLA after watching us blow ourselves up? And even if they do come here, can he mesh them into an outstanding team? So far – not so much. Coach has something to prove to the fans, but especially his players and the time for that is now. He had the support of 60,000 fans who paid a lot of money and sat thru miserable heat on Saturday and 70,000 the week before. Now he has to prove he can coach or it is time to start looking for his replacement.

by Keptycho on Oct 18, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now

in his second year, taking over with no talent whatsoever, is when he has to prove himself? I understand being upset, but it’s his second year. Any talk of looking for his replacement is ridiculous at this time.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 18, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Easily in the top ten...

…list of dumbest comments following our loss to Cal.

Keptycho, were you one of the weak-willed wieners who stuck by that loser KD for years? BN called for his head and everyone called BN a “bunch of haters.”

If there was ever a group of guys who would call for the ouster of a head coach, it’s the guys running BN, believe you me. To sit here and call for CRN’s head when the program he inherited was in total disarray and he’s only half-way through his second season is just flat-out stupid.

I’m not even going to sugarcoat it. What you said is absolutely f**king stupid. Period.

by Bellerophon on Oct 18, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bellerophon

I agree that fans calling for CN’s head is way out there. But alot of us are very dissappointed that this team has shown no improvement from last year. D still can’t stop the run & big plays. I know that happens to every team across the country, but the offense never, never responds. With CN and Chow so called QB experiences, our redshirt freshman just doesn’t make any plays. There are several true & reshirt freshman out there getting the job done and our QB is average at best. I’d think that this coaching staff would have better play at the QB position. I’ve just expect some improvement and when I get asked what kind of football team UCLA has this year in my part of the country, my answer is “I don’t have a clue”. You’d think we’d know that after 6 games. I’m sure CN will be here for awhile. I’d just hope to see success begin sooner. Say like at Arizona. We’ll all flying out for the ASU game. Hoping things turn around before then.

by LouisianaBruins on Oct 19, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No improvement?

Are you kidding me? You must not have watched the games last year. We had four wins last year, and we really should have had two (we were fortunate to beat Stanford and Tennessee last year). We had no running game last year and we do now. We couldn’t throw the ball without it getting picked last year and we can now. You said it yourself: you’re complaining that our redshirt freshman isn’t making plays. Our redshirt freshman isn’t making plays. How many of those other freshman are playing behind a line made up of other underclassmen or transfers, guys who also did not play a single down for us last year? How many of those other freshman you mention are throwing to upperclassman receivers who are inexplicably dropping passes or other underclassmen like himself? Despite all of that, the offense is better, even if it does stall in the red zone, because we are at least moving the ball at times where that was not the case last year.

You do have a point about the defense not improving, and I’m disappointed about that as well, but to say that the team as a whole has shown no improvement from last year is demonstrably false.

by Tydides on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Improvement

In spite of being very critical of this team myself, I agree, there have been clear improvements.
The yield of these improvements is coming painfully slow though. Ty, you are a very patient person, an eloquent defender of reason, and no doubt a good Bruin. For some of us though, because of our defective genetic makeup, are not in possession of your patience and graceful respect. I write that with all sincerity. I have no gridiron pedigree whatsoever, other than being a Bruin spectator for a very long time. So it is from that weak perspective that I say: My sense is that there are deeper issues at play with this team (over and above the to-be-expected heartache over 3 successive losses). There are indeed some exceptionally great individual players on this team, and that is encouraging. However, on the flip side of the coin, I can point to many troubling issues (which you are fully aware of, so I won’t bore you)
One question though, and I ask with all due respect.
This offense has not exactly set the world on fire, but many at Bruin Nation have vigorously advocated patience since game one. The defense, on the other hand, has performed fairly well the whole season, with the exception of the Cal collapse. Yet, many at BN didn’t hesitate to pounce on the D swiftly and severely (not necessarily referring to you) I am not questioning anybody’s integrity, I am just sincerely curious as to what your thoughtful perspective is on this issue.

by ambitious on Oct 19, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know it's slow

And believe me that inside I’m as frustrated as anyone else watching the football equivalent of pulling teeth. I wrote this in another post but you asked me about treating the O and D differently specifically, so I’ll respond with it here. The only reason I give the O a “pass” compared to the D is because I look around all of college football and I can’t find another team that’s doing well offensively that has inexperience in so many key positions. It’s not a stretch to say that the TE position is the only position with experienced playmakers. I’d love to include the WRs in there but they’ve been inconsistent at best, and have dropped some really crucial passes including this past Saturday. Meanwhile our line is full of first year starters, some of which are underclassmen, and the rest are transfers and well, I think we’ve said enough about our QBs. The defense on the other hand has experience and talent, as recognized from both inside and outside our fanbase. This is a unit that should be clicking, especially with a DC that isn’t radically altering the defensive strategy from last year. But they’re not. If not now, when? I can easily see the offense jelling together, growing up together, and getting their timing down and turning into a thing of beauty, because they will soon enough have time and reps to do that, but the defense should have been through that already.

I’m not saying the defense is bad, but it seems like they can’t be relied on in critical situations. Not just that, but in terms of improvement, can anyone really say that the offense isn’t better than last year and can anyone say that the defense is? That’s just how I see it, but if you have a different take on it, I’d love to hear it.

by Tydides on Oct 19, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Thanks for the response. Your take on the situation is perfectly reasonable and I appreciate your time. Here’s to hoping they “jell” enough to put a beat down on an unsuspecting team or two with the remaining time they have. Because if they don’t, the next worry will be that some highly touted recruits may get cold feet. And believe me, I don’t want to see CRN forced into proving how good he is at getting (or not losing) some good HS players.

by ambitious on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No need to thank me for anything

It’s users and commenters that make this place what it is. In any case, it’s somewhat confusing to me but if I recall (and I may be wrong about this) we’ve picked up a few big time commitments in the midst of this losing streak. My uneducated guess on what CRN is selling to the recruits is that we acknowledge that we’re not there yet, but the momentum is on our side and with highly rated talent in the freshman and sophomore classes, this upcoming class will be in place to reap the benefits of our upswing and that we will be a solid program by the time they are ready to fully contribute as full time starters. I am sure a few more victories this season wouldn’t hurt his case though, so I’m going to be concerned about that first.

by Tydides on Oct 19, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tydides

When speaking of improvement, I’m looking at wins & losses also. We brought in a new and better coaching staff that is graded by W’s., not moral victories. I do see the improvement in the offensive line, without a doubt. The offense’s running game is vastly improved and the running backs should be used to get first downs in short yardage situations and on the goal line. So far, this football has beaten who it was supposed to, SDSU & Kansas St. From what alot of us have seen so far, surpassing the 4 wins from a year ago will be a heck of a challenge. Washington St maybe the only game the Bruins will be favored in. I pray that our Bruins will play inspired football on the road at Arizona & OSU like I personally saw in Rocky Top. That was a different team than what we have now, in my opinion. The teams we defeated are beginning to show signs of improvement, but the Bruins are stuck in neutral. The Cal game did show a glimpse of promise. The D played a much better second half, giving the offense a chance to get back in the game. Yet again, another costly mistake on that important drive drove the final nail in the coffin. I’m just looking for this team to finish against a Pac 10 team. I can’t wait to see the kids laughing and enjoying the game on the sidelines late in the 4th quarter. So far, in this conference race, those smiles are all across the field.
I want these guys to win as bad a you do. It has an effect on my weekends, just ask my wife. And having to watch the Bruins on ESPN360.com each of the past two weekends hopefully showns my passion for the Bruins.

by LouisianaBruins on Oct 19, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait for that either

I don’t believe I’ve talked about any moral victories though. Progress is not a moral victory, it’s just a step in getting closer to where we need to be. My post was in response to the statement that we have not improved since last year. I believe that I have shown sufficient proof that we have. Everything else you said is tangential to your original claim because it is about this year only, and I’m not sure why you’re posting it in response to me since it has little to do with your original post. Even what you just said about finishing teams and getting back in the game goes to prove my counterargument – we were not in a position to come back in many of our games last year. This year we are in that position, even if I don’t have a whole lot of faith that it will actually get done.

by Tydides on Oct 19, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Jet Ski qualifies as top flight talent

good post Nestor, but I only would quibble with you that I think Jet Ski Franklin is definitely top flight talent. He has speed where it counts: into and out of the hole. A lot of fast guys do way to much dancing at the point of attack, and then waste their speed trying to cut outside or reversing the field. Jet Ski gets it when it comes to running, and he’s only a red shirt freshman. I think he can play on Sundays as a 3rd down back if he continues to improve…

by CPOBruin on Oct 19, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did Anyone See Knox Last Week?

He juked a couple of guys and clearly has MJD-caliber moves (in training).

I know that he and Viney were in the doghouse b/c of the suspension, but when are we going to put speed (Thigpen and Knox) and move them around to create plays??

If CRN has a real issue with MK (or Viney), then he should just suspend them again instead of sitting them. Clearly they both deserve more playing time.

by bruin4life1993 on Oct 19, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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