Re. Randalll Carroll's Tweet Directing At Norm Chow - The Real Story Is The Trojan Times
by Nestor on Oct 24, 2009 5:17 PM PDT
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PrintDidn't see the story until it popped up in our game thread. If folks are wondering here is the tweet Randall Carroll posted on his account
@driley4 man oregon, stanford, and cal should have been easy wins ,, but shyt thys nigga norm chow dnt be trustin us ,, so it is what it is8:39 PM Oct 22nd
The tweet has been erased. The tweet came from someone from an usename titled "OCiAM" who is infact Randal as he has the nickname ("Out of Control"). driely4 is La Cañada St. Francis High running back Dietrich Riley, who UCLA is recruiting along with a number of other schools (including by Chetey's out of control program).
Obviously what Randall did is not kosher. At the very least I believe CRN should be suspending him for 2 games immediately (which again is different than the "run around the practice field" discipline Petey does with his (alleged) thugs).
The hilarious thing to me is for the LAT do such a lengthy story over an ill advised tweet in such a short notice after ignoring years of scandals coming out of Chetey Petey’s cesspool. Again does anyone remember instant headlines on LAT's website whether Chetey Petey's program was out of control when stories wrt to Bush, Jarrett broke out? Of course not. Never mind all the stories over racist facebook scandals and stories after stories filling up the police blotter Not only the Trojan LA Times was clueless and out to lunch, they had their marquee columnists Bill Plashke penning love letters to Chetey Petey about how he had "worked hard to build that rare dynasty that follows the rules."
Just classic for the a**holes in the Trojan Times.
GO BRUINS.
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I don't care what the trOJans say, either the online version or the fishwrap version.
I care about the Bruins, and how the Bruins react to this. We are supposed to have a team, not a group of individuals. If a team member wants to whine about something, then he should have the intelligence to do so where he can’t be overheard. If Carroll didn’t think his public confession of astounding idiocy wouldn’t be overheard by the entire world, then he’s not smart enough for my team. OF COURSE he knew the world would know what he said, and he wanted his opinion known.
I would not punish him for speaking his mind. I would simply tell him that he’s not on the team any more. Give him his release. Let him go somewhere else. We are a team, and everyone on the team wants to play. We can put only eleven on the field at a time, and if he’s not going to be one of the eleven, then he has to accept that. Again, this is not a new concept for a college football player. I once ran a department. If one of my subordinates had spoken this way, I would have told him not to come back.
Let Carroll go to a school where he can play. Sort of like Mustain did. I think it’s important for UCLA to do what’s right. That will be something that no trOJie will recognize.
While I agree that the only standard that matters is UCLA's.
I don’t think this merits anything resembling removal from the team.
Like I wrote earlier, there is no doubt that this reflects poorly on both Carroll as an individual and the university in general. However let’s keep in mind that this is his first quarter in college. He still has a lot of growth to do. I cannot think of a better environment to nourish that growth than at UCLA.
by insomniacslounge on Oct 24, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions
I actually disagree
He needs to talk to Chow, and whatever Chow decides is appropriate is ok with me.
He publically criticized the offensive coordinator. That doesnt deserve any suspension as far as I am concerned.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Oct 24, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is not good.
Whether the LA Slimes is heavily biased and actively pursuing South Central’s agenda does not matter. (We all know they are) What really hurts here is that one of our own, Randall Carroll is publicly blasting the coaches. When/if CRN comes down on him it will look more like retaliation than discipline. The LA Slimes will obviously pursue that angle as soon as any punishment is handed down. It also makes the sporting world at large believe there is a schism in the locker room. Bottom line, there is no spinning this.
Unlike SC we do not have magic get out of NCAA jail card. We do not have a Mr. Magoo local press ignoring every little thing that goes wrong. We have a local press that will blow every thing out of proportion and blast it into every recruit’s living room humanly possible.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
Totally agree
There is no good way to resolve this issue. Dont punish Carroll and CRN shows that he has no control over his players. Do punish him and it will be used against us in recruiting. Not a good situation.
Carroll
There is more to this than just one player, this can get ugly real fast.
Maybe I was a little over the top
I guess if Carroll was as contrite as the Oregon guy, I would be a little more forgiving. I guess I’ll wait to hear what he says.
(Very non-scientific here: I have a problem thinking there is anything positive about a guy named Carroll. Can’t figure out why.)
Hurt Recruiting
This is going to hurt us in recruiting regardless what CRN and Chow decides to do with him. It’s hard enough to compete with suc, Cal, and Norte Dame for top high school players as it is. We don’t need one of our own to recruit against us by tweeting his friends that our coach sucks and clueless. Basically, he has no faith in Chow as a coach. Recruits that read his tweeter could factor in that message when they make their decisions.
Overreaction?
I never cared for Carroll on the football field or off the field for that matter. I doubt any recruits will take this as a massive conspiracy.
@ Carroll, Don’t be stupid, Norm already let you have 2 chances at eternal glory (haha) and you DROPPED the ball both times. You had your chance as a 5th string WR
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not a big deal
The mistake Carroll made was thinking the Tweet was private. In this day and age, technology is ubiquitous and even promoted at a cutting edge institution like UCLA. What Carroll did is comparable to a teacher finding an unflattering note that was scribbled in class. From the headline in the LA Times, I expected far worse with regards to the racial epithet presuming the slur was directed toward Chow’s Asian heritage. I hate to say it, but the N-word used in Carroll’s context is a common term today’s Hip-Hop culture uses to refer to any man similar to “dude.”
I don’t think the rules have caught up to technology yet, and this incident should force the issue. Unless it has been established that players cannot mention team business on Twitter, Facebook, their own private blogs, then how are they supposed to know where the line is? I guess we could use the common sense rule, but we all know sense is hardly common.
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