Center Court: Ben Ball (CSUF) Second Half Thread
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 9:54 PM PST
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Cal State Fullerton Titans at UCLA Bruins, Nov. 16, 2009, 8:59 p.m. PST
Since we're in the wee hours here on the Best, err, I mean West Coast, I'm filling in for Nestor. Well, folks, it has not been a pretty half. Our Ben Ball Warriors have come out and played sloppy basketball and go into the half-time break down to the Cal State Fullerton Titans by a score of 27-33. Turnovers, poor shot selection, and stone cold shooting from the charity stripe are the stories of the first half.
Fortunately, Malcolm Lee and Michael Roll have kept the Bruins in the game with smart cuts and smart possession. If you're cut off from WWL, you can track the second half against the Titans at the official site. Nikola Dragovic continues to frustrate with ill-advised chucks, but Reeves Nelson has been an absolute beast.
Let's hope the Bruins can get it together. Fire away in our second half (change up the mojo) thread.
GO BRUINS!
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Changing the mojo...
Figure that it is about the right time to open up a late night beer.
If it works, this is the type of mojo change that I could get used to :P
Sorry guys...I wasn't wearing my lucky socks
All fixed now
by UCLABruins4Ever on Nov 16, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions
Gotta pull the W
We looked horrible in the 1st half. Hopefully, we make adjustments and the team calms down and starts playing smarter.
Drago better show us something this half....
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:09 PM PST reply actions
there we goa ncie trap and steal
then drago with a good take
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
well, at least we have depth at the guard position...
oh wait
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:11 PM PST reply actions
the matador defense is alive and well
it appears…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions
Given how thin we are in the backcourt
We need to go to a more deliberate, grind-it-out, inside-game oriented offense. We’re taking too many jumpers. We need our big men to work inside because our outside game isn’t happening right now.
Sadly, I think we will be seeing that for a while
Without Honeycutt available, I think Drago has to shift to the 3 at times, due to substitution needs/rest for JA/ML/MR
Kareem
needs to return to Westwood and coach our big men!!! Since Bynum thinks he’s too good to be coached
ND = worst WR ever
Dude had an easy two he let slip out of his hands after Roll dropped in a perfect over the shoulder lob for him.
Gordon has zero post moves
Needs to be more of a bully down low
unfortunatly it seems like he needs a bit more strength and touch
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
ML drives to the hoop and draws a foul on a pretty big collision
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I'm through with ND
Apparently his offense was a product of having Shipp and Collison last season.
Have to remember folks
2009-2010 is not this team’s year. A run at the Pac-10 title and into the tournament is what I’d expect. These kids are young. 2010-2011, though, is going to be fun for the Bruins.
Just like JF, AA, LRMAM, etc., needed to go through growing pains to lay the foundation for our Final Four runs, these guys need to go through their growing pains.
I get that this is a rebuilding year, but it doesn't mean it's not hard to watch
by Nakatomi Plaza on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that but losing to Cal State Fullerton would be hard to take growing pains or not.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Well one thing that's different
is that those guys you mentioned were freshmen having growing pains. ND is just looking terrible. Gordon is not asserting himself on the post and Roll has been a non-factor on offense.
by Kerckhoff405 on Nov 16, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I credit Fullerton's players for Roll's lack of production.
They’re running to him as soon as he gets the ball.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Um....I'm not used to watching a CBH team
Look this bad
He only played varsity for 3 years
But I think he played in the pros at some point.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
ND - one game does not a season make BUT
dude has got to play better than this or he can sit next to me
by Nakatomi Plaza on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions
Looks like Malcolm is wearing some tight wraps on his legs
they keep blood from pooling
by UCLABruins4Ever on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions
JA drives, draws the foul
We got to attack the basket and either dish to the big men down low, or kick it out to Roll for the outside shot (read: do not kick it to the bricklayer, aka ND)
Can't buy a bucket
Our FT percentage is abysmal.
Not sold on him like I was with DC
DC burst on to the scene. I think JA has the potential, but it will take time.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Roll
posting up??? LOL!! Keefe at top of the key!!!
seriously
why did Lee go back in so soon? hoping he is cramping, but doesn’t look very good.
Keefe shooting 3s
is not a good sign for us offensively
Didn't Wooden also say
never lose to CSUF?
by Nakatomi Plaza on Nov 16, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions
JA with a ugly air ball
Kid should not be shooting the deep ball.
If they’re going to play zone, MR should be taking the deep shot.
Its hard to believe Keefe was a Mcdonald all american, he needs to step up like roll and show some senior leadership
Drago has not so far
No
but his career at UCLA has been a bust
final fours
and coming back from injury – maybe not mcd aa style – but he’s worked hard for ucla
by Nakatomi Plaza on Nov 16, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Short jumpers
cramping, slowness on defense, over worked a little in practice?
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
No dice
We expect our guys to be warriors. No whining. No excuses. Man up and play Ben Ball, dammit!
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Noted
All I’m saying is some coaches will take a loss at the expense of creating toughness in the long run. Play tired, win, gain confidence for the rest of the season. Lose, make no excuses, but you played till the end even though you physically had very little to give. It worked for my high school team. We won league despite having NO talent (I made the team).
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
by bruin8uclap on Nov 16, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed!
Hate to say it but I don’t want him on the floor anymore.
Cal State Fullerton is starting to remember they’re Cal State Fullerton
by BlackandOldGold on Nov 16, 2009 10:28 PM PST reply actions
CSF is playing tight right now. This was theirs to lose if they played their game.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I want to reiterate
Nelson looks good out there
Reeves Nelson
Finishing strong, running the court, pumping up the Den. Love it!
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Nelson
looks very good. alot of hype from Modesto, like his style of play
ML
Had his groin rubbed down and drank plenty of fluids. Looked like a cramp. He’s up and walking around now.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I really should point out the proximity of the dance team to ML during that treatment...
Nah, too easy…
Dance Team + Groin Rub Down
Every male Bruin’s dream.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Did she say, “oh shit, we’re in a game here!”?
by BlackandOldGold on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions
Roll and Drago
need to establish shooting and lead this team.
heres the problem
It seems like CSF is playing of JA now because they know hes not even hitting rim, and playing a bit tighter on roll and drago, I think if we run some more down screens for MR though it’ll start to fall…good intensity though
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
WSU Alumni thing - someone has flown a WSU flag at gameday every week for several years
Gets FedEx’ed around to alumni in the proximity of that week’s show
Really?
Wow. That’s hardcore. I never noticed.
Kind of makes me like WSU a little bit. Even if they totally suck.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Is Morgan
healthy? wondering if he will play at all.
Hope this doesn't mess with Bobo's confidence. Hope there's a good reason.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Drago showing some agression on the defensive boards!
And it pays off
Give ND some credit on the D sequence
Challenged the 3, then got back to fight for the board and cause the TO
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Agreed
He showing some intensity finally. THe first 34 minutes he looked like he didn’t care he was playing
Wow - ND actually passed up a shot
and looks what happens.
A little hustle out of ND
out of position, going for the steal, but nice recovery
by Give me a B... on Nov 16, 2009 10:36 PM PST reply actions
Mr Toad's Wild Ride
Let’s hope we didn’t expend too much energy catching up. Need to sustain the D and make some shots
by Bald Eagle on Nov 16, 2009 10:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
need to defend every possession
No letting up.
by Bald Eagle on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
MR - I love the guy
but if 2009-2010 depends on MR? We got a long season
by Nakatomi Plaza on Nov 16, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions
CSF seems to be taking the most uncalled for shots lol
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Sorry - but ND needs to sit
I love his spirit and commitment but he misses 3 shots for every good play he makes.
hopefully
this shakes off the jitters…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions
killers
ND 1 for 10
JA 1 for 8
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions
Good D that time
but they got bailed out on the offensive rebound
by Give me a B... on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 PM PST reply actions
If ND doesn't pick it up...
…then JK should be starting. ND is providing ZERO offense and his defense is sorry. If we’re not going to get any offense from that position, we may as well get JK and his defense and rebounding in there.
I'd like RN as a starter
Dude is a beast. Seriously looking like the Modesto version of AA2.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
JK starting?
say it aint so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice shot by DG, but
who’s teaching him to fade away on his shots from the post? With his size and athleticism he should be going straight up with his shots.
JA needs to develop a shot..
….because his offense does not exist. One of the keys for our deep runs has been the ability of JF and DC to create offense off the dribble, either for themselves, or for another.
the good news
this team could have folded their tents. great effort in the 2nd half come back..
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:53 PM PST reply actions
57-54 good guys 1 minute left
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 PM PST reply actions
New for mike to be in crunch time
He will improve
by mplsbruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
AAArgh
Aaaargh
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crap
do they shoot throws at all in practice. 50%, horrible
I hate ESPN
DO they really think that Ben Ball Warriors play to foul?
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12.9
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How is that a 2 shot foul?
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Why not foul
before he starts his drive?
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
what a bullshit call
stupid announcers. You never get that call in college
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions
Apparently
this year you do.
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WWL blowhards are complete morons
Or blind. The foul happens, he takes another two steps, then throws his arms up to simulate a shooting motion.
What a garbage call.
SPTR.
These announcers are stupid
That’s not a shooting foul.
Dumb Time Out
Why didn’t he call time out AFTER the free throws?
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Overtime
Dammit
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anderson
what a blow it wide open
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 11:00 PM PST reply actions
Roll
should have driven to the basket and taken a foul if necessary
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We should have
continually fouled because we only had 1 team foul. We had 5 more to give before they get to the line.
Since WHEN
Does Ben Howland allow his players to foul like that?
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Agreed. BUT
you can’t lose to Fullerton on your home floor.
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We don't
have any go-to guys for that last shot
Lee or Roll should have taken it. I have faith in those two. Gordon if we can slip it in there.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
must have a lot of patience
lost 4 starters, many injuries. it’s going to take awhile.
They have a guy on the floor
With four fouls, why aren’t they POUNDING him?
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WTF?!
Since when did Streeter start getting the Kobe calls?
That foul on ML was total f**king bullshit. STPR.
About time
They’re giving them the outside because they know we haven’t been hitting, plus we have no one who can penetrate the lane.
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Nice D
on that possession.
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Senior Leadership?
I forget…is he a Senior?
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He jedi mind tricked Coach to keep him in regardless of how many missed shots.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
At this point, I have no idea
The fact CBH is sticking with him does make me concerned about how ready our other guys are.
I do think that once we get TH back, we should go with JA, ML, MR, JK, DG or ML, MR, TH, JK, DG.
The ND as a starter experiment needs to end.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
DOUBLE DRIBBLE!
Bruins with the last shot!
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How r we predicted to finish 3rd in
PAC 10 play? We have a lot of work to do
Turnover!
Our ball. Can get the last shot.
Which hasn’t always been a recipe for success with us.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
is it to late?
to cut Drago from the team? Why is he still out there?
do not let drago take the last shot
thats all i ask..
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions
We have two guys on the court who can't score
and who they don’t even have to defend
by Give me a B... on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 PM PST reply actions
thank goodness
They are as bad as we are. Just painful.
by Bald Eagle on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Can McCallum
enroll early and play this year? WTF???
What was that?
I guess they just don’t want to win
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im sure they want to win
its not like theyre out there saying “i hope we lose”
GO BRUINS!!!
BAD SHOT. Lee should be driving and kicking or shooting a floater or mid-range J.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
We'll have
Plenty of time to tune up before then. We’ll get better.
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Shocking
passed around the perimeter, end up jacking up a jumper as time runs out. Our standard end of game play.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Roll
came off screen and looked like he had a clean shot
yikes. good night crew
hopefully I’ll be pleased in the morning…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions
Come on Bruins
Let’s not give up so soon…these are our Ben Ball Warriors, they’ll gut it out!
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crowd at Pauley
Is hanging around surprisingly. Now who wants it more.
by Bald Eagle on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Cal
guards will blow by bruins. much to work on
Horrible OT period
3 points per team…just dismal.
BUT we can win this.
Still playing good D.
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I love CBH
but I have to wonder what a practice looks like. Do they even practice offense or free throws?
I'm sure they do
But you have to remember that ML and JA are no AA and JF. It is going to take time.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
White Men Can't Jump reference
Sometimes when you win, you lose….. etc
by Nakatomi Plaza on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 PM PST reply actions
Where are we going to get buckets from this team?
Considering how highly recruited a lot of these guys were, its unbelievable how poorly they shoot, both from the field and the line. Its going to be a long season . . .
Same god-damnned play
Every time we get the ball. Coach, come on, DO SOMETHING.
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For a second
I thought we might get a basket in the paint
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At THIS moment, it’s coaching. THe players on the floor are NOT executing anything at all – they are playing decent defense, BUT that’s not enough. Subs need to be made.
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I'm surprised so many folks are questioning CBH
The man has brought us to Final Four after Final Four.
We all knew this would be a rebuilding year. These guys are raw. The only returning starter is ND.
Everyone needs to calm the f**k down with the CBH bashing.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
But CBH is not the one missing easy shots.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
ND just told us all to shut the f**k up.
He better keep it up though.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
both I think
it’s obvious these players don’t understand the offense yet, they’re learning on the fly.
can't hit
shots. big part of it. clank clank clank……………
Smartest Thing
that Doris Burke has said all night. “Where is Reeves Nelson?”
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You can't lose 4 starters to the NBA
and not feel the repercussions. Come on, folks.
Formerly UCLA Class of 86
by Class of 86 on Nov 16, 2009 11:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i don't think shipp or aboya made the nba
by realfabfive on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Still, the point is ...
…that we lost 4 starters.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not over yet
Keep the faith… just got to figure a way to win this one and regroup
It took NIC 8 shots and 2 OTs to get that 3. CBH must have mad faith in him.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Are you surprised that UCLA took their final timeout?
Clearly these genius announcers are watching their first Ben Howland game.
You think you can get UCLA to three Final Fours?
That’s what I thought.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
How did we get to this point anyway? I don't follow CBB recruiting, but seems like we missed out
Why don’t we have any talented seasoned sophomores or juniors?
Farmer, Aflalo, Love, Holiday, Westbrook all left early
by UCLABruins4Ever on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
We had 2 in this Junior class - Love and Stanback
Only so much that can be done re. recruiting while limited to 13 scholies
hurts to have a pg that can't shoot
farmar and collison used to bail us out at the end of the possesion
keep the faith!!!!
so you’re saying we have a chance
Crushing TOs by CSF
couldn’t capitalize, tho
by Give me a B... on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions
this is the ugliest display
of basketball I’ve ever seen. Both teams and the officiating have been atrocious.
Agreed
But on that last shot by Lee, he was fouled.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
don't worry.
he would have missed the FT’s anyway.
Bottom line
Had Roll hit his free throws at the end of the second half, the game is over and our boys walk out with a win.
by Bellerophon on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
And that's the ball game folks
Fullerton beats the Bruins in Pauley.
Our boys have a lot of work to do.
Executed?!
Are you kidding me?! This was the ugliest game I have ever watched between two D1 teams. UCLA was awful.
how can this be acceptable?
despite a rebuilding year? should UCLA be losing to a Cal State Fullerton?
I guess their players are older, more athletic and more experienced overall????
Still no excuse.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
totally agree
but still don’t understand. We have better players and a better coach. Going to be a LONG year. Oh well, can’t be great every year I suppose.
well, at least we know what we have to work with? Lets go Bruins! Long season ahead.
Fullerton tried to lose tonight. They did their best.
How am I going to show my face at work tmrw?
This sucks… I guess it’s time to reset the bar lower than we had originally thought. Hopefully things improve as the season goes. It can only get better, right?
I'll build character
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
by bruin8uclap on Nov 16, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
* It will
build character.
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
by bruin8uclap on Nov 16, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
I said it at beginning and I will say it again
Time to let the younger guys play and develop this team for the future, because clearly, we won’t be playing for much this year.
That
Was a tough game to watch. it’s going to be a difficult season isn’t it?
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An interesting season, I think
This team has been bound to have many ups and downs. Hard to expect otherwise, considering what we have to work with.
Oh boy
That was rough. CSUF was awful, and we were worse. Missed FT, no inside offense. Not a fun way to start the year.
But, all that matters is how we finish the year. CBH has some work cut out for him.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
This should be a wake up call
Our guys need to get it together.
No post-game thread right now. I’m going to crash and dream of better days for our Ben Ball Warriors.
Thread it up here until the morning recap comes.
GO BRUINS!
Anderson needs to work on his game
by burculian on Nov 16, 2009 11:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Slow
I doubt he can beat anyone off the dribble. He will get schooled by Cal and UW’s quick guards. Move Lee to point and keep Anderson on the bench.
Embarrassing loss
No matter how you put it, the effort on the offensive end of the floor was pathetic tonight. Defensively they were active but they showed no effort offensively. I do not believe Howland teaches these guys to just stand around and shoot long jumpers with no one around to rebound the ball. These guys have to have it within themselves to be aggressive and attack the basket.
On the bright side
I don’t think we have to worry about anyone leaving early
by Give me a B... on Nov 16, 2009 11:32 PM PST reply actions
I said two weeks ago
That this Bruins team is going to get beat by some teams that, in terms of talent, have no business being on the same court as our guys. Just was not expecting it to happen so soon.
3rd in pac-10 would be a gift at this point-let's hope so.....
this loss will loom huge if we’re on the bubble….I would like to see JMM play a bit – but I trust CBH, still would like to see the dude play though
by Nakatomi Plaza on Nov 16, 2009 11:33 PM PST reply actions
Bad night for the players and the coach
If we play stagnant offense and our guys miss open shots, we are going to lose a lot of games like this. No real reliable scorers on the team – Drago and Roll are shooters that benefit from being a third option. Lee is too out of control, Gordon has concrete hands down low. Only highlight was Reeves Nelson – who CBH sat on the bench while the team wallowed. Not a good start at all. I though preseason we’d be 3rd of 4th in Pac10, but after Concordia and this, we are going to be lucky to grab the 6th spot.
Gordon
Gordon still needs a lot of work on fundamentals. No excuses for him to not grab that offensive rebound that led to the 5 point lead. He had the inside position but did not box out the opponent.
Agree
He also needs to develop some post moves. I don’t even think he knows how to shoot the ball.
Nelson
I need to know why he was not in almost the entire 2nd half after getting 11 points and 6 boards??
Go UCLA!
my only guess
is that it had something to do with CSF going into zone defense and Nelson isn’t a great outside shooter. That being said, could he have done any worse than ND?
ASU
That “offense” was exactly like the ASU loss at Pauley last season. NO ONE on this team looked like they wanted to shoot the ball or even make an offensive play.
Ha ha yeah
Remember that one time Lavin led us to 3 straight final 4s? Oh yeah me neither.
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
by bruin8uclap on Nov 17, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Okay it's time for some positives...and negatives.
BRIGHT SPOTS:
Malcolm Lee – Can score and get into the paint.
Commissioner Gordon – defense and rebounding
Reeves Nelson – hustle plays
Michael Roll – His shooting is still there and will get better.
THE UGLY:
Nicola Dragovic – 1-8 from 3. 2-14 overall.
Jerime Anderson – 1-12.
Questions:
Why didn’t CBH bring Reeves back in when he clearly helped us get back into the game?
Why was Nicola in the game for so long when he kept missing shots? I’m sure Morgan or Reeves could have defended and got those 14 rebounds.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Not many bright spots
Defensively they were active. However, they still suffered from mistakes. Gordon not getting that defensive rebound that CSUF eventually got the 5 point lead on was huge. For the most part they held CSUF to the defensive game plan that they wanted. Unfortunately the Bruins decided that tonight they were gonna abuse the rims with those bricks coming off of sorry offensive execution…. if you can call what they did an offense.
CBH didn't really give Gordon much of a rest though either. I think he was tired.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
38 Minutes on the floor
Tied with Lee for fewest of the starters, but far more than he is used to playing at this level to date.
You know
It’s tough for us to watch the games and get upset after every miss. It’s not like we’re down on the floor making the shots ourselves. The kids don’t shoot the ball expecting to miss, they want to make their shots just as much as we want them to make them.
That said, I didn’t see the Bruins reacting positively as the game worn on. They looked a bit gassed at the end, and where previous Bruin teams would power through it, this early in the seasons our guys just didn’t have it when they needed it.
I do wish Coach would have made some quicker adjustments, and I really think Nelson should have been on the floor at least some point in the OT periods.
It’s only one loss. It’s a tough one, it’s going to be a tough season, but we’re all still Bruins. We’ll survive.
RIP Nick Adenhart 8-24-86 - 4-9-09
"Hostility Abounds" 9-17-08
Angel Fan for LIFE 1971 - present / UCLA Class of 2006 - 2nd Generation
You thought football is rough to watch?
We have much more upside in football then basketball. Basketball will be in rebuilding mode for the next few years. We were spoiled by Farmar, Afflalo, Love, Collison, Mbah Mute, Holiday, etc. . . There is no one of that caliber on this team.
They always say
That we’re spoiled by so much success in Westwood. It’s not just the Howland era, it’s our entire history of winning. It’s in our blood.
RIP Nick Adenhart 8-24-86 - 4-9-09
"Hostility Abounds" 9-17-08
Angel Fan for LIFE 1971 - present / UCLA Class of 2006 - 2nd Generation
Not that it’s a BAD thing mind you.
RIP Nick Adenhart 8-24-86 - 4-9-09
"Hostility Abounds" 9-17-08
Angel Fan for LIFE 1971 - present / UCLA Class of 2006 - 2nd Generation
UNC and KU
can reload after their championships, not rebuild. They conyinue to get top recruits. Why can’t we expect the same level of play after the three Final Fours? This is UCLA!!!
Not necessarily
You can be built back up really quick in basketball. But you’ve got to get the right guys. Right now, each player have glaring holes in their games and it’s hard to hide them. That said, there’s no excuses for each player to play so soft on offense. I seriously doubt each time out Howland is telling them to pass it around the perimeter and take a long jumper with no rebounders underneath. No good ball movement, no good off-the-ball movement, no offensive rebounding attempts. Poor effort on offense by the team.
Lee
scored 17 pts on 24 shots. Nothing to get excited about. We don’t have that go-to guy this year. Suppose to be the seniors, MR and ND. Long season…
Dont see the future here
What bothers me is that in the past, when our young guys got minutes, they looked like future studs (Farmar, Afflalo, Westbrook, Collison, Shipp, Love). I just don’t get that vibe from any of these guys, except Nelson. Malcolm Lee and Drew Gordon may be solid players after four years, but not studs. CBH’s offense relies on having a couple guys who can create shots in the last 5 seconds of a shot clock – who on this team has the tools to do that?
Only thing we have in our favor is half the teams in the Pac 10 are in even worse shape than UCLA, so we likely still finish in top half of the league.
Absolutely
If MR and ND are your goto guys, it’s gonna be a long season.
Excellent point!!!
especially Westbrook after DC got injured. They look lost
I said this last season as well
I just don’t see an identity by any of the players. There’s not one thing where I can look at a player and expect certain things like I did with Luc Richard’s defense, Love’s rebounding and passing, etc.
Eh
We’re pathetically young and inexperienced. When you’re only returning ‘starter’ should never have been a starter in his career, and your other two seniors are support-guys, you’re going to have LOTS of problems.
We’ll get better by the end of the season. I know it doesn’t look like it now, and it won’t look like it this month, but we will get better. Heck, with a horrible Pac-10, we might even make the tourney this year if certain basic team principles develop.
But whatever. Neither team wanted to win tonight. They just wanted to lose less than we wanted to lose. Good for them?
pretty awful
I was hopeful someone had improved other than Malcolm Lee from last season. Roll is the only other player on offense that seems to have a clue. Honeycutt better be real good in a few weeks or UCLA football is now ahead of basketball. Fullerton is terrible, so we need to improve alot to be competitive in an off pac 10 year.
4 players leaving has not stopped many of the best programs in the country from being competitive at least year in and year out. Last I saw with mediocre coaching Arizona still made the tourney. We will need to get much better to have any tournament hopes.
Best I can hope for is Morgan, Lane, Honeycutt, Stover will start getting minutes. I only want Roll shooting at the moment from 3 and we need to work toward next year of offense by busting the ball inside and getting every single post we have game touches to draw fouls and get better. You don’t need 4 shooters to attack a zone you need good basketball players who can catch and shoot on the interior and exterior. Anyone who defends us and leaves Roll or Dragovic open is not smart. They will be easy to take away if we don’t figure out more. We at the moment are lacking good basketball players. Howland has had many NBA players the last 5 years. At the moment this team has 0 (I think Morgan and hopefully Honeycutt will prove that wrong). Now maybe he deserves some or all of the credit for making them NBA players… or maybe he had a nice run of grabbing largely undiscovered talent like Westbrook, Mbah a’Moute and Collison. Quite frankly none of the current players are their caliber.
I am hopeful still, but have some trepidation about our ability to turn things around dramatically this season. I think we need to change tempo completely, get tons of guys minutes, press, pound it inside, and find out who can be a player at UCLA next season.
Offensive effort
I just don’t think the players are putting the effort out there on offense and are too tentative to make a play. How many drives to the basket did they even attempt in OT? Players were standing around and not moving to open spaces to receive a pass, too slow to pass the ball, or not creating an offensive play with cuts or screens. The players were too tentative on offense. The coaches can work on the offensive plays until the cows come home, but it’s up to the players to be assertive and make plays happen. CSUF were in the penalty, UCLA only had 1 foul very late in the game and OT, and no one even thinks about driving to the basket or initiate contact for a foul call?
dissapointing
I would’ve liked to see Malcom Lee penetrate more especially since Fullerton was out of fouls. Seems like the underclassman deferred a lot of times to the upperclassman. Can’t wait to see what a healthy team looks like. Our frontcourt except for Nelson was bad. I expect better from Keefe and Dragovic. Dragovic needs to learn about shot selection… and free throws…cmon. also way too many airballs.
we lost to cs fullerton
probably the worst loss the program has had since the lavin years. some of the blame falls on coaching.. but i would say not coaching errors were more who was on the court. the defense wasn’t terrible (not the level of defense in the recent good teams we’ve had). I was a huge dragovic fan last year, but he doesn’t seem to have improved, if anything he has regressed to his sophomore year. he did grab 14 rebounds and pick it up later in the second half, but still disappointing effort. Keefe had some nice passes early on but really wasn’t great. I think we have a pg problem.. i just don’t see JA doing anything anytime soon. He looks more like he should be a backup for the type of team we want to have. I know he was injured recently, but I thought we looked better shifting lee and roll to ballhandlers and going with a big lineup. roll was solid, can’t fault him too much. lee fought hard, still is a bit raw, but i think he’ll be a good player by years end. The other bright spot, I wish saw some action later in the game. RN was a game changer (he did commit a few terrible in bounds passes, one that lead to a dunk after some made fts). i disagree with a lot of people on gordon’s effort today. he wasn’t bad.. but i don’t think he put a stamp on this game. i don’t see where he excelled or made a difference.
i wonder what kind of game morgan, lane, moser (who played for 10 seconds and had the ball taken out of his hands and was benched after), and mostly honeycutt can do. i’m hoping lane or honeycutt can add something, cause right now no one can really create shots for their teammates or themselves very well. malcolm being the closest to doing that right now. its a long season, bad start, but we have some pieces and a good teacher. i’m pretty sure we’ll be a much better team by february.
Just came back from the game
I am frustrated like all Bruin fans, but I know CBH will get this turned around. There will be some growing pains. After the game, on the post game radio show, CBH admitted that it was his fault that he didn’t used the bench more, especially Reeves Nelson. He feels that he needs to force himself to play the freshmen and give them some experience.
I believe this team will only go as far as Jerime Anderson will take it. During pregame warm ups, he was totally off on his shots, it carried over into the game. It was obvious he was lacking confidence in leading the team. He missed 5 weeks of practice, and will really need to get back to his usual self and more very soon.
by UCLA Championships Made Here on Nov 17, 2009 12:48 AM PST reply actions
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