Bruin Bear "Security Force" Offers Weak/Pathetic Response To Their Screwup
by Nestor on Nov 25, 2009 3:09 PM PST
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The incident that occurred with the Bruin Bear is extremely unfortunate. However, due to the combination of finals week, Thanksgiving weekend, and the UC regents’ tuition increase, our committee decided that the purpose of Bruin Bear Security Force would be best served this year as a celebratory event rather than defense mechanism. Given the fact that the Bruin Bear was not vandalized last year, when Bruin Bear Security Force did not happen at all, we felt that not only was it was unrealistic to ask students to camp out all night, but that this new theme would be more beneficial to them during this time of financial struggle. Furthermore, because Blue and Gold week was cut down to Blue and Gold Day, the need for a spirited event was even greater.
Ultimately, we believe that this was the best decision. Our event had the best turnout in years, with over a thousand students coming in throughout the night, and we received extremely positive feedback. Although investing late hours of the night to vandalize our Bruin Bear is important to certain USC students, we believe that our student constituency has more important priorities such as trying to find means to pay for college, doing well academically, and trying to balance the many responsibilities in their lives.
Thank you to those that came out to show their dedication and pride to UCLA.
- Elaine Daneshrad,
Bruin Bear Security ForceCo Director
Get that? Apparently, there are "more important priorities" for Elaine Daneshrad's bunch then protecting the Bruin during Beat $C* week. Guess UCLA-U$C* game is not all that big of a deal for Ms. Daneshard. Geez, where have we heard that before? Oh yeah, from none other than Mr. Taylor Mays. Perhaps those two can go out on a dinner date this week talk about Apple Cup, classical music, classes over candle light dinner. They can discuss how this game doesn't mean all that much to them.
Her response is so beyond laughable that it doesn't really merit a point by point response. Many of you have already done it in this thread. What is clear though is that some of these student "leaders" on campus are completely clueless and tondeaf when it comes to appreciating the history of UCLA athletics.
Thankfully we still have alums like JJ Stokes around doing everything they can to keep the fire burning, injecting their passion and love for the four letters that mean so much to rest of us. It's clear from the students actions they couldn't care less. Just pathetic and sad.
GO BRUINS.
UPDATE (M): Apparently, Ms. Daneshrad may not have seen the Daily Bruin article on the BBSF, which had the following quote (emphasis added):
For many, Bruin Bear Security Force was an especially meaningful event at a time when fee increases are a source of great worry for students.
“It’s really cool, especially with all the fee hikes going on, to have something like this that people can do for free and just have fun,” said third-year psychobiology student Jennifer Farzam.
First-year psychobiology student Rudas “Rody” Gebregiorges echoed Farzam’s sentiments.
“It’s a time to get away and just indulge in the ’SC rivalry, without any financial worries,” he said.
I understand that showing movies, providing food, and having prize giveaways may cost some money, fine, I get that. I also understand that a lot of students have to work night jobs to help pay their way through school. I did that, too.
BUT, would it really cost all that much to have 3-4 kids camp out there with sleeping bags and a couple of pizzas and vitamin waters keep watch with their personal cellphones and digital cameras in case some $C frat-boys try to go all Home Depot latex-exterior-finish on the Bear? Seriously?!?!?
M
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Just want to reiterate my point in the last thread
IMO this is a sign of LAZINESS not a sign of a lack of school pride
in other news Nana Meriwether former UCLA volleyball member was got second place at the 2010 Miss California USA Pageant. Congrats
http://jerseychaser.com/ucla-volleyballer-gets-2nd-at-miss-california-pageant/
Please help me out here
What is the “Bruin Bear Security Force” for if not keeping the Bruin Bear secure?
sjh
While I don't consider it a mistake...
I was going to UCSD, until I filled out the UC application and typed in Los Angeles instead of San Diego as first choice. I’m still not sure why I did that, but happy I did.
a bullet point
on a grad school resume for someone who has no interest in athletics, but thinks event planning sounds FUN!
Dustball!
My experience
having graduated just 2 years ago, is that these are the people who say things like “I like to tailgate, but I don’t really want to go into the game.” And they are the people asking “Are we good this year?” 8 weeks into the season. They’re the ones who have to ask “Did we win?”
sad
Dustball!
and the ones who say
“we suck” anytime ucla football is brought up in a conversation.
and the ones who ask “can we win?” when we ask them to come to the SC game
you know them too?
students are actually sending me hate mail on facebook now… thought that was interesting.
Dustball!
My thoughts exactly
If the Bruin Bear Security Force has “more important priorities,” it should change its name to the Bruin Bear Party Throwers.
So I was under the assumption that business was as usual with Bruin Bear security force
I took part in said activities in the past, and was ready to defend their actions. However, this is inexcusable. No one was there. What the hell guys?
RIP #34
Response to a post on the other thread
http://www.bruinsnation.com/2009/11/25/1173770/hey-ucla-students-nice-job#
If his command of the English language is anything like his command of martial arts you’ll get a 1st round KO or submission easily.
UGH! FAIL!!
Wow. I totally mixed up that metaphor. It should read:
If his command of martial arts is anything like his command of the English language you’ll get a 1st round KO or submission easily.
by Seanny Rotten on Nov 25, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
This attacking students is a joke
A lot of people are making over-sweeping generalizations of the student body. Last night, Rally Comm signed up to be part of the Security force. However, they only planned to stay from 9-12. Why? Who knows. I’m not ever sure what Rally Comm does besides put on a shitty card-show, hand out priority numbers, and organize a shitty Pauley Lock-in. However, they had the responsibility last night. I’m all for camping out but if they said they got it then let them do it. There are plenty of members in rally comm that could have taken shifts last night. What i am saying is: Yes, as students we all FUCKED up. If i knew they were going to go home at 12 i would’ve been out there myself.
As for student support……
The student support for basketball has been the best I’ve seen it since Ive been here for non-conference games. There were at least 50 people lined up on Monday at 5:15 waiting for priority numbers. For volleyball, the $C game had a line of 200 students an hour before the match. I’m not sure why people aren’t coming out to the Rose Bowl, especially on senior day and homecoming, but looking across the field the alumni don’t seem to being showing up in that great of numbers too. It’s not just the students.
Not directed at you lil eg not cs
We know you get it as well as anyone here on BN.
But the response for this screwup makes the whole debacle look even worse. It’s the total lack of any sense of responsibility that is angering so many of us. If she put up a contrite post acknowledging her mistake and then vowing to work rest of the week to make it up by working on getting turnout on Sat, she would have salvaged it a little bit. But her response was cluelessly arrogant and it gave the sense she has no idea what it means to be a Bruin.
Its frustrating
I’m embarrassed actually. USAC, SAA whatever usually have no clue whats going on. 2 years ago they gave the first 2 priority numbers for the $C to the winner of a “school spirit” contest at the bonfire. The girl and her friend that won had never been to a basketball game before. It’s shit like that that they try to pull. She didn’t feel the need? Budget cuts and tuition increases aside, its absolutely free to campout and guard the bear. You aren’t forcing anyone to do anything. It’s just frustrating to come here and see everyone bashing the student body and the “generation gap” and all that.
by lil eg not cs on Nov 25, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Well
I can gurantee you 10 years from now when you are an alum living somewhere else, reading this kind of story would bother you even more. As I said, we are fortunate to have students such as you and others who understand the important of our athletic tradition. However, right now recent actions by students and some of the so called “leaders” representing them has us wondering. I hope you guys can change it but we need to see more evidence of it.
Honestly here on BN, I don’t really see students posting all that much about their experience with UCLA athletics and sharing their stories. Except for few others we don’t hear them from much. Perhaps that need to change and we need more students to tell their stories and get it out there.
It's becoming clear who the guilty parties are here
And sadly, at least one of those guilty parties has no idea why this is offensive to many of us, and the reason given makes it all that much worse. Maybe it’s not fair to label all the students with the same brush, but I’d feel a lot better in that assessment if the blowback from Elaine’s fellow students is quick and severe. That’d go a long way towards proving that there are still students out there that care as much as the rest of us. My advice to the students is not to let this ineffectual loser speak for you as a group, which unfortunately is the case right now due to a lack of other voices speaking up on this.
Yeah Rally Comm making me look like a fool
For defending actions surrounding the bear, and they’re also making the rest of the students look apathetic. This is not true despite what others are saying about how it was so good in their day. The passion is still there on campus; however, things like this misrepresent the student body.
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Nov 25, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
I have to agree with you here. If certain individuals or groups made people think the bear was covered for this night, than they deserve the blame. If someone says “hey i have the shift tonight ,you take tomorrow”, then we cant blame the whole student body because the student body was actually misled. Its sad…reminds me of when i was at UCLA and most of the SAA kids has no idea abut ucla sports at all and were trying to run blue and gold rally etc.
UCLA '08
by BruinTrouble on Nov 26, 2009 3:21 AM PST up reply actions
Rallies and Bruin Pride events are severly lacking at our school
Just creates this aura of apathy all around. I’ve never really understood it.
RIP #34
ditto on Rose Bowl attendance
It clearly isn’t just students who aren’t showing up, and it’s up to people like us to do something about it.
I organize an alumni event every year for my grad school alumni classmates and the current students in my grad program, and get ~30-40 people to a game that they otherwise wouldn’t go to – and that’s with me flying in from the East Coast. Would love to hear all the positive stories about what people are doing to raise attendance among friends, family, classmates etc, and what people think can be done to improve the situation.
by britishbruin on Nov 25, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
What. 50 people for non conference?
Thats the best you’ve seen? I graduated in 08 and there was NEVER less than 50 people for a bball game, EVER (except for preseason games).
UCLA '08
by BruinTrouble on Nov 26, 2009 3:18 AM PST up reply actions
Of course there were more than 50 people
What i was saying was that there were 50 people waiting for a priority number. That never happens for non-conference games unless its Kansas, Texas, etc.
by lil eg not cs on Nov 26, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Bruin Bear Security Force, or Bruin Bear Party Posse?
Sadly, I think we all now know the answer.
by bruinhoo on Nov 25, 2009 3:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
From Elaine Daneshrad's Facebook account
“…we believe that our student constituency has more important priorities such as trying to find means to pay for college, doing well academically, and trying to balance the many responsibilities in their lives.”
So what you are saying is, the people who joined the Bruin Bear SECURITY Force has better things to do than being a part of the Bruin Bear FUCKING SECURITY FORCE!?!
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
by bruin8uclap on Nov 25, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
I don't blame Elaine for thinking what she thinks.
Poor Elaine. She’s a student at a big time university, earning a big time degree, undoubtedly thinking she’s a big time student, and undoubtedly filled with pride at her big time accomplishments. From the outside, however, her facebook statement shows that she’s still a typical teenager who cannot be trusted with responsibility, and who still thinks excuses are the equivalent of taking responsibility.
If her priority list does not include being in charge of security for the Bear, then don’t say you’re going to be in charge of security for the Bear. How complicated is that? I just told my wife that I would be in charge of going to the store for a couple of last minute, but highly necessary, things for Thanksgiving. If I told her that I had more important priorities, she would take care of this necessary chore herself, but she is now depending on me because I told her I would do it.
Elaine, I’m going to give you a piece of advice that will serve you well in the future. If you say you’re going to do something, then do it. You have already gained a reputation with me that you cannot be trusted to do what you say, but I will probably not be one of the people who decides to employ you. That’s a part of your resume which needs work.
I would like to continue this, but I have to go to the store. You see, I assumed that responsibilty and will fulfill it.
Its very simple
If you are part of the Spring Sing Committee, you produce Spring Sing. If I am on a Committee that is say, called the Balance the Budget committee, I might be going out on a limb here but I’m pretty sure my goal is to balance some kind of budget. If I am on a Committee thats called the Bruin Bear Security Force, I might want to provide some kind of SECURITY FOR A STATUE WHICH SLIGHTLY RESEMBLES A MAMMAL OF THE FAMILY URSIDAE WHICH RESIDES ON THE UCLA CAMPUS.
Elaine, on every resume you type for the rest of your life, you should include the bullet point about your being the Bruin Bear Security Force Co-Director, and next to this bullet point you’d be remiss if you did not include an asterisk that led to a footnote on your resume which reads:
FAILED.
FAILED!
FAILED!!!
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
Ah, the Ministry of Propaganda is alive and well
If that’s not doublespeak, then I never read George Orwell.
I particularly like the part that the trOJies agreed to be rivals, but not past midnight. Frankly, I don’t think I can ever make another joke about the stupidity of the typical trOJie after this episode.
Anyway, let’s get all the excuses listed and all the reasons listed and all the rest of it sorted out and lined up and talked about. Then let’s take a look at the Bear. I’m sure with all these excuses, it was untouched. Because with all those excuses, it should wouldn’t have been touched. I’m sure this generation of Bruins would have been very happy with Neville Chamberlain, too.
The Bear is the emblem of our alma mater, but it’s obviously something that the current student body can’t be bothered to take care of. I think it ought to be removed. Just take it out. Put up a sign commemorating all the anguish at the fee increase, which is something no generation of students has ever had to endure in the past. You can’t be expected to give a rat’s a** under these terrible circumstances.
I’m so ticked off at things that I can’t even make a coherent rant.
IMHO
Taking this out on this girl is unfair. The tradition died last year, when there was NO security force. That is on the whole student body, but there is no person in particular to blame, so we are directing all the outrage at her.
They resurrected a bit of school spirit for an event. If they hadn’t called that event “Security Force” no-one would be attacking her personally now. I realize that some individual people ‘might’ have taken it upon themselves to guard the Bruin if there wasn’t already a group with ‘Security Force’ in the name, but no-one stepped up last year so I think that argument is tenuous.
I think her defense is weak (very weak; didn’t do her cause any favours at all), but I don’t think that so much anger should be focused on her specifically. And I do think that if traditions have died at the school and we as alumni are upset about it, we should look for some positive ways to influence this, rather than directing a lot of negative feedback at one person who has apparently put some time and effort into fostering school spirit in her own way.
Pathetic.
The very least they could have done was offer it up to alumni to do the overnight services. That is downright nonchalant and careless. Disgraceful
The Den needs to take over this kind thing and all the other stuff that keeps getting F'd up.
F the whiny “security” nerds who are bitching about the stress of the Thanksgiving holiday and their tuitions. It doesn’t cost anything to get a few friends together and sit around the bear all night. If you have to bring your books to study for finals then do it! If the “Security Force” wants to have an ice cream social, they should say so and leave the important stuff to someone else. We’re BRUINS, and we’re supposed to BRING IT! We sleep outside Pauley, and we sleep around the Bear when we have to.
If all we can count on is The Den, then so be it. If necessary, the Den should be complaining to whoever planned the bonfire during the game, and The Den should be calling out the students for not filling the student section at the football game. It doesn’t seem like anyone else is willing to put any real effort into being a Bruin at that school anymore. I assume The Den could protect the bear for a week. For Christ’s sake I could round up a few of my classmates and cover a night before I go to work if I have to.
At this point it’s obvious there are a lot of students on campus who want to complain about how hard their lives are right now, but most of them seem to have time to read BN and whine to the alumni about how stressed out they are. I’ve been laid off over half the year and I still made my donation to the Wooden Fund! And when Darryl Johnson sent an email to me yesterday to give to the Young Alumni Challenge I sent you guys a Christmas Present! Because this is my family! I do whatever I can for my Bruin family, and you guys have an obligation to the alumni to act like Bruins too.
Last: If I hear anyone else say that they’re scared to go to the Mausoleum I think I’m gonna throw up. When did our student body become so wimpy? Blaming the Trojans for being criminals? If I could get away with defacing Tommy I’d blow that A-hole up with all the buildings around it.
GO BRUINS. BEAT $C
ditto re: the Den
People who care a lot about Bruins sports should organize protecting the Bruin.
People who care a lot about positive celebratory events in the midst of budget cuts tuition fee increases blah blah blah should organize events like that as well if they want.
by britishbruin on Nov 25, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
By the way, will there be a student section at the Crapaseum?
or will they all still be wringing their hands at the fee increase? Or is it too inconvenient to go to the same Crapaseum that I had to go to for every game?
It will take a monumental effort by our coaching staff to keep the team from just mailing this one in. Why should they get fired up for a football game if the student body is more like a student corpse?
I have been a Bruin for more than a half a century, but I have never ever heard of anything quite like this.
Bruins, just stay home. No one wants your delicate sensibilities to be disturbed by having to figure out how to get about 20 miles on a week end, or maybe to have to figure out how to get through a high crime neighborhood (but wait, if it’s a neighborhood, then people must actually live there but not, it’s not possible, it’s just too scary to go the the Crapaseum.) You have finals. You have that pesky term paper. Bruins in generations past never had those things. We just enrolled, drank beer for four years, and were give our diploma. And we all had an infinite supplly of cash, and no fee increases.
So just stay home. Those of us who were lucky enough to get the game on TV in Florida saw how you stayed home in droves from the ASU game. I sure want to see an even bigger number stay home from the just$c* game.
Just think, when the current students are Geezers, you’ll be able to tell your grandhildren some real spine-tingling adventures about how you exhibited your school spirit sometimes even as late as 9:00 p.,m. It’s been a long time since I was a student, but I don’t remember it being this way.
To the current Bruins, if you don’t want to be excoriated in this way, do something about it. You’ve already demonstrated aggravated apathy. Got anything else?
I see it differently
Fox, this isn’t aimed at you — it’s just a convenient place to jump in.
The Coliseum is the home of many great Bruin moments — many when we were the home team against sc. To denigrate the field is to denigrate those of us whose Blue and Gold blood has stained the field and made it OUR Home when we play there, not sc’s.
And, I find it slightly offensive to rant and rave about how unsafe it is to go there. And, a bit elitist. There are a lot of good, hard working people living around that campus. No, it’s not surrounded by the rich and famous — but I never felt that the Westwood elite added a lot to my experience. If anything, they hurt it by blocking the campus stadium proposal. They did little to support UCLA yet let their rich little ones use it as a playground.
Perhaps, because I identify so strongly with working class people, I hate to hear Bruins criticize the neighborhood around sc.
sjh
WTF does the budget crisis have to do with guarding the BEAR?????
I thought the BBSF was a VOLUNTEER group of students. Am I missing something here???
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I'm sorry, but again this is getting ridiculous
Nestor and I got into a it a little this morning but I felt like the best decision was made, to move on to what we can do in the future. This ongoing finger-pointing debate is going nowhere. Students’ fault? Alumni at fault? Both? It doesn’t matter, what happened happened. Making damning generalizations and accusations is something we should have learned not to do while we were all getting our education at UCLA. This whole “shame on you” attitude will get us nothing. It’s time to move forward and assess why there is this problem and what we can do. I’ve already exhausted this issue extensively, but something needs to be done to instill spirit in the student body population.
This bullshit bringing student fees into it? It shouldn’t even be mentioned, is unrelated to the issue at all. But those of you saying that we should raise student fees and all we as students care about as far as things goes is fees should take a step back. The issue on fees is a sensitive subject, and isn’t something that should be joked about nonchalantly on this board. “We should just raise their fees even more for this!” or “all you care about are fees,” those comments are ridiculous and unnecessary. Be a student at the university NOW, see how thousands of students are already struggling to pay for this admittedly more affordable education, and see the struggle of those students who love this university and have to leave because they just can’t afford it because of these fee hikes. Then ask yourself if it’s something that can be joked about.
Now I’m not taking a stance “Pro-Students” or “Pro-Alumni” here. I’m a student, we failed to protect the Bruin Bear, and that’s that. I’m just asking the comments to be made at a message board for an esteemed university (a university we all love) to be more, I don’t know, constructive? More analysis? More of what we all learned as part of this university?
What happened with the Bruin Bear was disgraceful. But so are some of the comments I’m seeing out of the people posting here. When an outside force attacks a population, what makes more sense? For it to split and point fingers, or for it to come together and unite against that outside force. Call me simple, but I’m thinking it’s the latter. Here’s to the Bruins beating the Trojans this week.
Fair enough
The fee increase should not be part of this conversation, and for me, it is not. This letter though, is still incredibly frustrating… instead of owning up to the epic failure of a security job the Bruin Bear Security Farce was organized to do, this student just beats around the bush with no sense of responsibility or pride. i’d swear, this attitude that stems from a misplaced sense of entitlement was something i’d expect to see from the $uc students, but not our own.
What's ridiculous
are the excuses coming out of the people responsible for this entire mess. It makes no sense to rhetorically ask whose fault it is because that’s a disingenuous question: we all know it’s Rally Committee’s/Bruin Bear Security Fail’s fault. Once again, it’s not what “we” are going to do about this. It’s what are Rally Committee and the students who need to hold them responsible going to do to make up for the F up? And while people surely aren’t right to make fun or light of fee increases, the students need to do their part and quit going to it every time they need an excuse for their behavior. Invoking the fees in completely unrelated discussions like this one do just as much to make light of the situation as any poster in this thread.
Actually, it's the $C Vandals' fault, too...
… but the point is well taken, T.
The fee protest excuse is BS. There were Gulf War, affirmative action and Prop 187 protests going on the 90s, weren’t there???
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I don't count them
Because I think that’s obvious. It goes to another undeniable truth that I didn’t think needed mentioning: trOJans are assholes. You don’t get pissed because the asshole trOJans do what asshole trOJans do, because they’re asshole trOJans. You think about what can be done on your end to make sure that the asshole trOJans don’t get their way.
With you on that.
Should have realzied the $C blame is like the "you understood’ in basic grammar. My bad.
The BBSF excuses are incredible.
Hmmmm, they say they didn’t need it last year, and yet these guys put up a FACEBOOK PAGE saying it’s only going to be a limtied-time event.
They HYPE it up, and wonder how anyone could know it would be unattended.
To quote Dennis Miller, “I haven’t seen choreogrpahy this stiff since the Lee Harvey Oswald prison transfer.”
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Serious Question, Please answer
Why do you students not think you will be able to get student loans to cover the extra 3k like everyone else? What am i missing?
UCLA '08
by BruinTrouble on Nov 26, 2009 3:25 AM PST up reply actions
Rally Comm
In the old days, Rally Comm was a hard working, spirited, bright group of kids who, among other things, planned and executed incredible card stunts.
Those were the days in which there were more than enough students to fill the section. You’d sit down, and under your seat was a stack of cards, all in the right order. At halftime, the head of rally comm would take over the mic and count out the stunts. When your number was called, you’d put up your card.
When I was a a yell leader, I’d be able to stand on the field and see the fruits of their hard labor. Most memorable to me? The animated script UCLA spell out — flowing across the section, gold letters taking shape on the blue background. I can still hear the guy counting in precisely the right cadence at precisely the right speed.
As outraged as some of us old folks are about apathy and the failure to step up and take responsibility — I think we are more upset that many of you young people are not having the same incredible experience we had.
As an alum whose kid is applying for admission next year (I truly hope she beats the odds and gets in), I really want her experience to be as good or better than mine.
Part of that experience is to understand that things like overnights to protect the Bear are fun. It’s a privilege, not a duty.
Are things so serious on campus that kids don’t look forward to these breaks from the serious business at hand?
(Please, don’t tell me how hard things are. Ask any of us who went through school in the early years of the Vietnam War, who if we flunked out would be front line soldiers — at a time before grade inflation diminished the number of students who were flunking out — whether we could find time to do things like protect our campus or screw with sc’s. We did. And, we remember those things a lot more than we remember a lecture or test we had to take that week.)
Rant over.
sjh
Thank you
That’s a response I can appreciate. It’s constructive and isn’t condescending in the slightest.
With regard to that last part, I didn’t intend that whole fee issue thing to be something to complain about how difficult things are. My point was simply to say that I feel like it isn’t appropriate to take that very lightly and joke about it, just as I would not joke about conditions during your time like you described. In no way was I trying to say that times now are harder than they have been in the past.
Nestor -- what's the chance of putting up a tuition thread?
I know it’s not sports but it is important, in the same way that the taser in the library story was important.
The young guys might be surprised that the tuition issue is not new to them.
Somewhere, I have my “Our position, no tuition” button from the protests that resulted from the first proposal that the UC System charge tuition.
I went to UCLA when it was “free”. No tuition. Just a mandatory $75 student activity fee — which gave me admission to all Bruin sports events, and more.
I am sympathetic to those concerned with the tuition increase — probably more than most — because the thing I want most in life is for my daughter to be accepted to UCLA, and if she is I’ll be paying out-of-state tuition.
sjh
Agreed. My reg fees DOUBLED when I was an undergrad...
… and I have 2 small children whom I would LOVE to have attend their mom and dad’s alma mater. Plus, Ms. M is a HS teacher, so she DEFINITELY keeps an eye on UC reg fee rates.
This is still unbelievable to me.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I think mine trebled if I remember correctly
It was $500 a quarter in 1988-89 and I think it was around $1500 in 2002-2003.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 26, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
If people want to write about something related to UCLA
That is connected to this community then it’s fine. People just have to be respectful when they are disagreeing with each other. I don’t have the time to put up threads on tuition and then moderate it.
To clarify, I agreed re: the sentiment.
But first things first, we’re a Bruin ath;etics board. Sorry if I mis-wrote.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
By the time I got there is was an "Incidental Fee"
and it was $121.80 a semester. I managed to pay my way through my first year with what I saved from working in a tire store at $1.25 an hour the previous summer. My take home pay was $56.95 a week, for a 59 hour week. I’m sure that the math or finance people will point out how the costs have increased at a greater rate than the minimum wage increased (I assume that to be the case.)
I will argue with no one as to whether my good old days were better than what will be your good old days. Mine were. They just were. We had basketball when it was just being invented by Coach. We had a kid named Alcindor decide to attend UCLA. Our “gutty little Bruins” could play with anybody. Sure, I got drafted after my sophomore year and was certain I was going to Viet Nam as an infantryman, but still, my good old days were truly that.
I really would not trade places with any of the current crop of students. I’ll take my advanced Geezerdom, and all that means about diminished this and that. I wouldn’t want to go through another 40 years of growing up. You guys and girls indeed have it tougher. How any of you expect to buy a house or season tickets to Pauley after you graduate is an absolute mystery to me. But some how you’ll make it, and in 40 years one of you will be typing (or probably just imagining words rather than typing) this same sort of rant.
I can appreciate what you're trying to do here, Aces.
It’s not an easy line to walk — not condoning what those Trojan punks did, while not trying to throw fellow stduents under a bus, and still promoting unity among the Bruin faithful. Even if I’m royally ticked off right now, I can respect your position.
At the same time, this is so EMBARRASSING, and Ms. Daneshrad’s response is ridiculous.
I went to UCLA in the 90s. In Fall 1990, my reg fees were roughly $535.00 per quarter. When I graduated in Spring 1994, it was about $1100.00 per quarter. AN OVER 200% increase.
And funny, the longer I was there, the more fees went up, yet I had more time to go to games, do residence hall activities like building floats and organizing bus trips to the Rose Bowl, etc.
That’s what makes this so frustrating from an alum’s POV.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
I was there the same years as you, Meriones
I remember being amazed at how the reg fees kept going up. However, I managed to keep up a GPA over 3.0, while working about 20 hours a week by soph year, then about 35 hours a week junior and senior years. I was part of the protests at Murphy Hall (the first Gulf War, for you young’uns out there). I spent many memorable hours with the band, going to every football game, every men’s basketball game, every women’s basketball game, every men’s volleyball game, every women’s volleyball game…
I was no super-student, yet I kept up pretty good grades while doing loads of other stuff. The fact that out of 30,000 students, zero were watching the Bruin Bear DURING $C WEEK is f’ing unbelievable. I don’t get it. I was so pissed when I first saw that picture. It still pisses me off. To claim “we were busy” is complete and utter BS.
Numbers don't lie
Alums went through just as bad, if not worse, fee increases. They still went out to games and took pride in UCLA.
The bottom line is the current student body is apathetic and lame. They are pathetic, and believe you me, I’d hesitate to hire any of the chumps who graduate from UCLA from 2010 through 2014.
Great work endearing yourself to the alums, who for many Bruins, are the ticket to career advancement. Like I said before, exactly what I’d expect from this vapid, shallow, reality-show, Harry Potter/Twilight-watching, celebrity-worshipping generation.
Pathetic.
by Bellerophon on Nov 26, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
actually, its a little over 100% increase
that’s trOJan math you are doing… (jk)
$535 + $535 (100%)= $1,070.00
You fees increased about 106% or so..
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 26, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I want to stop the Blue on Gold violence, believe me.
But I DO want some tangible signs of remorse, accountability, improvement, and initiative.
If they didn’t want to be a “defense mechanism” then why the bleep were they calling it a “Security Force”???
Ugh.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
We students understand your frustration
But this Elaine person clearly does not speak for all of us. At least she does not speak for me. The Rally Comm or whoever signed up fucked up royally. Believe me when I say that the students are even more upset about them leaving early than you alumni are. If I had known that they were leaving at 12, I would have taken their place in a heartbeat. But I did not know, nobody did. All I heard was that BBSF was back, and I expected them to do their job.
The fact that they didn’t intend to was never communicated, making what happened the fault of the entire student body, if for no other reason than making assumptions about responsibilities. Do I feel responsible? Of course, that’s my bear, my school. But my “apology” does nothing. Neither would a proper one from Elaine, because the deed has been done.
The fact that she felt it was ok to leave before midnight should tell us all we need to know about her. She and the Rally Comm will be dealt with by their peers in the coming week, but it makes no sense for alumni to keep demanding apologies and remorse, then turning to quotes like idiot Elaine’s as proof that no one cares. We care, but it’s time to focus on football again because that is where the sweetest revenge will come.
M, I personally promise that there will be improvement and initiative in the coming year. Things like it being Thansgiving or the end of 9th week or the protests are not excuses, merely distractions and reasons why we need much better organization and communication when it comes to things lik this. Sometimes it takes a wake-up call to get everyone’s act together, and I think this was ours.
by Sideout11 on Nov 25, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This is the exact kind of response that satisfies me as an alum
I’d actually be pretty damn happy to see this become a watershed moment. For the students that do care to say enough is enough and seize control of things like Bruin security from the uncaring and unwilling. To be able to fill Pauley even during the nonconference games and support the seniors during senior day. If the students feel like they are getting a bad rap because of people like Elaine, then they need to distance themselves from her in both word and deed. Business as usual isn’t cutting it, and we need passionate people like you to be in positions like the one Elaine unfortunately holds.
Thank you for your response, sideout11.
It is definitely appreciated.
If we can help you get the word out, let us know.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Thank you for giving us hope...
This is the repsonse we’ve been waiting for ever since the original thread opened. It probably wouldn’t have been this long of a thread, if someone would have just owned up to it like you just did. So kudos. I’m looking forward to your promise and am actually excited now to see what you and the other die-hard bruins have planned. Ball’s in your court, make it happen.
Finally! Someone who gets it!
Sideout, I don’t know whether this will make you happy or sad. You have a lot of the attributes of a geezer. Welcome to adulthood.
A ray of light.
Thank you Sideout11. Finally, a sliver of hope. I was ill with the thought that Elaine represents my alma mater and, therefore, me.
Finally, a student that gets it
Unfortunately, SIdeout11, you seem to be the exception to the rule. Find your fellow students who care and you guys need to take back the campus from the whiney, ineffectual pacifists who seem to run student activities.
When I was at UCLA, USAC was full of those liberal, touchy-feely types. But they still were savage f**king dogs when it came to Rivalry Week and the a**holes from across town.
That’s what’s so great about UCLA and our rivalry with U$C. It brings all kinds of Bruins together, to hate a common enemy: the lowly dips**t trOJan.
Who's going to guard the bear for the rest of week?
Sounds like the “security force” has pretty much washed their hands on the matter. It’s bad enough that this happened at all but if it occurs again this week, the UCLA community will look even more foolish.
Im really disappointed with the UCLA students. A PFC in the Marine Corps knows how to put together a watch roster and stand guard duty and yet 38,000 students at one of the premiere universities in the world cant get it done. Pathetic! Also did anyone else notice in the news release that one of the reasons given for not guarding the bear this year was that it wasnt guarded last year and nothing happened to it? For how long has no one been guarding the Bruin?!!!
Are you home for the holidays or abroad?
If the former, welcome home, soldier, and thanks for your service.
If the latter, even more thanks for your service, and hope you and your guys and gals are all safe, secure, and as well-fed as possible. Come home soon.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Dudes
It’s all of our responsibility to take care of that bear. That represents US. Someone organize something for next year. You need me for 4 hours or longer, I’ll be there. I don’t care how much money I lose.
Troy will fall...again, again, and AGAIN!
I'll try to tread lightley here because I am not a current student or alum
and I don’t want to get too involved in something that doesn’t necessarily concern me and step on any toes, but in regards to the lack of passion and depleting student attendance at games, my theory is that its a result of how academically oriented the student body has become.
UCLA has become so ultra competitive that I think its attracting more students that are concerned with work only. I think its part of the reason studying for finals is more of an issue for today’s students than it was in the past. Or maybe its a lot more important to today’s students than it was to those in the past. I wouldn’t blame them, thats the kind of work ethic it really takes to even sniff an acceptance letter from UCLA. I worked hard in highschool, but UCLA wasn’t even an option for me when I applied for college. There were just too many people applying to college with 4.0+ GPAs.
When I talk to the few people I know that actually get in to UCLA nowadays, their experience sounds quite a bit different than when my mom and godfather were there in the 80’s, and my theory is that maybe the culture has changed just a tad bit.
I hope I havent offended any current or past students with my hypothesis, its just my take on it. Although I grew up on campus dreaming I’d be a student there someday, I cant truly offer the insight the actual bruins can, so if this opinion seems off base forgive me. I’ll be there saturday, with my SMU hat and my Bruin Jersey : )
Go Bruins!
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
It's a good bet
All of the frontpagers on BN and overwhelming majority of regular contributors in this community had the same high school credentials as any of the entering freshmen today. That academic excuse is joke. I had two jobs and almost double majored when I was in school (didn’t prevent me from going to every football and basketball games). That excuse is just weak sauce. Period.
understood my insight to the situation is really so minimal
I only know a select few that have mentioned to me that there seems to be a little less athletic energy on campus. Maybe it’ll just take 1 very good season to get everyone’s hopes back up.
I’ve experienced the same stuff x100 at SMU, if you think the UCLA situation is bad, 25 years of futility and a death penalty crushed the school’s pride in its football team to the core. Its amazing though how this eminent bowl bid to Hawaii though has brought a renewed sense of energy to campus. Students rushed the field after our 6th win and people went ballistic.
UCLA obviously has higher expectations than we (SMU) do at the moment, but maybe it just takes a couple of really big events to get everyone back on board after the Dorrellian years. Maybe Saturday is the real turning point : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
haha well thanks, but dont worry about me
I’m happy at SMU, and what treat for us to seemingly get a bowl bid after a 25 year absence. We could be part of our school’s history (knock on wood). And dont worry, my love for all things Bruin hasn’t died although I’m miles away from westwood now.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Actually I think Ollie has a point
I kind of buy into what Ollie is saying a bit, and I see it amongst the students here. More and more UCLA students that are being admitted are selecting this school because of it’s academic tradition, and not so much because of it’s rich history in all things not academically related. It’s just up to US as students now to get them as excited about the experience as they should be.
Ollie I worry about that for Jen
If Ollie is right, and the school has developed a sheer grind atmosphere, I wonder if it’s a great place for Jen.
She has superb grades and test scores — and has sniffed the flowers along the way. She’s marched in the band, and is captain of the color guard. She goes out with her friends on weekends and has had a full high school experience.
I want her to love her college years the way I loved mine.
And, to be honest, Ollie, I’ve worried a bit about the possibility that you are right.
sjh
UCLA is still an amazing place
I wouldn’t trade my experiences there for the world, and I graduated two years ago. You can find your scene there, no matter who you are.
by bruinsanda's on Nov 25, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't worry too much in that regard
I cannot compare my UCLA experience (earlier in this decade) with Ollie’s family that attended in the 80’s, not to mention your time in Westwood, Steve, but I can say that there remains a wide variety of student experiences to be found. While the first quarter or two may be a bit of a struggle – the natural struggle to find oneself in such a large environment as well as adjusting to the academic rigor, life does settle down.
Thinking back to my experiences, as well as the varying paths that my friends followed during their time on campus, I trust that Jen will be just fine.
To the "Bruin" earlier suggesting that we alums should act more like SUC's
Yes, let’s spoon feed our graduates for as long as possible. That won’t have negative repercussions on how our graduates are received in the workplace when they’re placed in positions that may not be best suited for them but have them anyway because they “knew somebody” at all. We should of course model ourselves after SUC: churning out entitled, lazy, know-nothing punks who don’t know dick about anything but then get jobs where they’re subsequently labeled as incompetent by their coworkers. I’m also shocked that your friends can’t find a job since they’ve been handing them out like candy despite the 12.3% unemployment rate.
I am going to close this thread
And am going to ask every student who are reading it to make their contributions in THIS THREAD and (via their twitter account) DIRECTING YOUR FIRE AT THE TROJANS.
Let’s TURN THIS AROUND.
On second thought - keeping it open
because everyone is having passionate discussion on this topic but we should at this point direct our fire towards the Trojans.
Haha, you let me back on! Just when I thought you were a jerk. I promise, I love UCLA with all of my heart. I was there when EMac intercepted Booty’s pass, when Jordan and Boze picked Bautista’s pocket, ATV’s pick-6 on Longshore, Josh’s over the backboard shot on Senior Day. I just become perturbed when you direct so much criticism towards the students, when there’s so much more to be positive about. A negative thread will breed negative responses…
I will now direct this back to the Condoms with my own personal story. I was in the band in 2005, and was waiting on the field for our pre-game show. A few of the Condoms were stretching near us, one of them being Lendale White. A drummer yelled out, “hey Lendale, you SUCK!” He and a couple of nearby Condom coaches yelled back at us in extreme profanity, and they had to calm Lendale down and make sure he stayed focused on his pre-game routine. I thought this was all HILARIOUS at the time, until he came out and torched us with 154 yards and two TDs on only 14 carries. Point being, incidences like this will only motivate our boys to come out with that much more fire, and therefore I’m drawing a positive out of this situation.
And yes, the students do need to secure the bruin better, and I doubt this will happen next year (though it did happen three years ago as well).
And seriously, GO BRUINS
I was standing next to the guy that did that
It was actually kinda hilarious when it was said, then terrifying when lendale looked like he wanted a fight, then hilarious again, then shitty when he torched us, and now it’s funny again.
RIP #34
In 2004 I was standing behind a Condom baton twirler while the Rubber Band was performing. As their show ended she bent over to take a bow, and I told her “Your ass is FAT!”, and she pulled her hand off of her baton to flip me off. Man I LOVE rivalry week.
by bruinsanda's on Nov 25, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
rumor has it...
that retaliation is happening tonight.
Thoughts
Earlier, in the previous thread, Class of 66 said:
So the students are saying "Well, we did it to them last year so it’s ok that they did it to us this year."
No, the idea is that we do it to them every year and that they NEVER get a chance to pay us back.
This isn’t a round robin tournament — it’s fucking warfare.
And the fact that some of the students here expect the alums to come in and clean their rooms is pathetic. For 4 years, this is your base to care for nurture and protect. Do you really need to cry for your mom’s and dad’s to come take care of you?
Down here in Texas we have a saying "Cowboy up!". It fits this situation perfectly.
sjh
PS. Uh, also, you may want to take note of how passionate the alum’s here are about our school, it’s traditions, and the campus. I graduated 40 years ago. Think I’ve mellowed about being a Bruin? Think again.
I really wonder if some of you whiners have the initial passion for all things Blue and Gold that we have. And, if you don’t, you are really missing something. That passion unites the many diverse people in this nation.
True that, my man. This shit is war. Students need to sack up and protect their school’s pride. I’m waiting for this student body to grow a pair.
Is UCLA made up of tree-hugging pacifists?
Sporadically through these threads, I get a sense that some Bruins are a little apprehensive towards confrontation (i.e. being scared of going to the wackoseum, or avoiding violence with some trojie instigators?) Maybe I was in my own world, but it didn’t seem like that in the mid 90’s when I was there. Boy can I recall a few scraps with some rival schools. That was a lot of fun. On that note, is it just me, or do all the other schools have a preconception that Bruins are wusses (back then and now)? Just wondering.
Job Application for Acceptance into the Bruin Bear Security Force
Question #1) It is late at night and a Trojan approaches the bear with an oil based paint in his hands, do you
A) Tell him to stop.
B) Stall him while you call for the police
C) Grab your ankles thereby allowing easier access to the Trojan who, after vandalizing the bear, will F—- in the ass.
Question #2) When is the best time to NOT guard the bear?
A) In the summertime
B) During baseball season
C) The week right before the game which necessitated the creation of your STUPID COMMITTEE IN THE FIRST PLACE! SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
E-mail Elaine Daneshrad and tell her what a joke she is
Her email is edaneshrad@ucla.edu. She should be ridiculed not only for her epic failure and idiocy, but also her attempt to shift blame and refuse responsibility for single-handedly taking an important responsibility better held by someone else and dropping the ball.
If you write her to voice our frustrations
Don’t call her names. Just lay out the reasons why we were upset and also wish her a happy thanksgiving and end your email with "Go Bruins."
Darn it, N, you beat me to it by 10 seconds.
The “NO” was meant for DBL’s post, not you, man.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
NO. IF someone from here wants to email her, I SERIOUSLY hope you do so maturely...
… with appropriate respect and a modicum of compassion. She is still a student, she is a Bruin — albeit one who apparently does not have the understanding of nefarious Rivalry Week traditions to fill up a walnut shell.
The young lady made a mistake big enough to merit its own AREA CODE, but profanity, discrminatory slurs and threats of violence must be avoided.
If you REALLY want to make more of an effective statement, I would suggest you send your comments to the Daily Bruin editors. She is a student, and, especially for alumni, this can be an effective teaching moment.
After all, this is, fundamentally, not about this ONE student.
This is about school spirit, school traditions, school athletics, school community — our SCHOOL.
She had a responsibility to the school, and SO DO WE. Our responsiblity is to take care of our own and TEACH our own.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Should have mentioned that in my post
In my Facebook post on the subject I definitely asked that anyone who contacted her not threaten or curse at her or be overly rude. Should have done that on here but it was late and I was tired of typing. And plus I kind of assumed that the classy people on here wouldn’t go overboard. But then again, we’re also very passionate so it is still important to recognize as M and Nestor pointed out, that she is still a Bruin and part of the family, whether she acts like it or not.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Fair enough. We're cool.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and all Bruins everywhere!
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Am I the only one who thinks its strange
that the person in charge of bruin bear security doesn’t think bruin bear security is an important thing to worry about?
“we believe that our student constituency has more important priorities such as trying to find means to pay for college, doing well academically, and trying to balance the many responsibilities in their lives.”
If you believe students should be studying and watching tv rather than protecting the bear, don’t head up the committee. I mean, really. This is absurd…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 26, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions
Note to self...
dont’ comment until you read the whole thread…
That’s been pointed out a thousand times… LOL.
I blame jet lag
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
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