Thoughts on Butler and the Basketball Program as a Whole
Bumped. GO BRUINS. -N
Let me start off by saying that I don't believe in moral victories. Last night was closer than many of us expected, to be sure, but I don't consider that a moral victory. Nothing describing a loss should have the word "victory" in it. That being said, there were several positives - and still some negatives - to take away from the game. The team showed true heart for the first time all year, and there were definite glimpses of Ben Ball defense and of what the future might hold.
First, the positives:
1. This team is still 100% behind it's coach.
Now, this should be a given, seeing as it's 5 games into the season. But hey, coaches have lost teams before - especially teams that didn't have a major contributor returning from a previous, more successful year. After the lackluster Portland game - both in effort and execution - it was worth questioning how much faith our young team had in their coach. That question was answered yesterday.
Guys were diving on the floor seemingly every play - ND and JK in particular. RN was also throwing his body around without pause going after rebounds. Guys were taking charges and rotating on defense. This team still fully believes that they can win, and it showed. As long as they continue to trust one another, we'll see consistant growth from these guys.
2. Ben Ball Defense showed itself last night
Let me make something clear first: we are not a good defensive team. Yet. But one of the things that really caught my eye last night were the hedges and post double teams on defense. Yeah, sometimes the freshmen bigs rotated slowly out of the hedge, and sometimes the double teams were ill-advised, but at least the effort was there. The kids were really making an effort to learn and understand CBH's system. The execution has a way to go, but again, last night was about the effort the team was making to play Ben Ball defense. And they're getting better at it.
3. The Freshmen showed why they were top recruits
I think one of the dumbest things a fan can do is to judge a recruit after one season - or even worse, 5 games. None of these freshmen (with the possible exception of RN) are ready for Pac 10 play. But we saw glimpses last night of what they can all do (except TH and AS, obviously)
BL: Big body not afraid to mix it up, with range out to the 3 pt. line. When Lane puts on some weight and gets stronger, I think he could be a big time player. At first I compared him a bit to Keefe (and saw a similar comparison in the thread last night), but watching him it's clear how much more fluid his game is than JK's. He just looks smoother with the ball, and when he puts 20+ pounds on that 6-9 frame to add to his outside game, we could have a really solid player on our hands.
MM: Long, long, long. There was a play, I think middle of the 2nd half, where our offense broke down and the ball was rolling out of bounds. ML grabbed the ball and just flung in towards midcourt. It looked to be going way over everyone for a back-court violation, but MM just reached up and snared the ball out of midair with one hand. This kid has some serious length, and added to his athleticism and (possibly, he hit a 3 last night) a solid outisde shot, he could evolve into a superstar.
Another thing about MM - the kid gets it on defense. A few times last night he was guarding the point man on defense, and he was low to the ground, hands in the right position - basically saying, "you're not getting by me". He's got the right attitude, and clearly the physical skills, to be a lock-down defender under CBH's teaching.
RN: Nelson clearly gets the most PT out of the freshmen class, and for good reason. The man (not a kid) is a beast inside. He plays with an intensity in the paint reminiscent of PAA and LRMAM - taking charges, going through people for rebounds, etc. He picked up a couple over the back fouls last night, and forced a few wild shots down low, but showed a great motor and some solid post moves to get in those positions. If he can develop a jumper out to 15 feet he could be something special.
In terms of negatives, just about every negative I saw was matched with a positives. More after the jump.
So here is a pro/con analysis of a few guys who there was plenty of debate about:
Jerime Anderson
Wow...where to begin with him. For 39 minutes he was a timid, scared kid looking like a high schooler out there. He wasn't a threat to do anything up top except pound the ball and pass along the wing, which led to at least 3 TO's that I remember. He got lost on defense and got routinely blown past by the Butler guards. But when it came to crunch time, he blew past his defender for a quick layup then hit a huge 3 to tie the game with 8 seconds left.
What really caught my eye about those last two plays was the confidence that JA had to make the play. He knew full well what was at stake, and it must've been in his head how poorly he'd played to that point. Yet there was no pause, no hesitiation, no nothing leading up to that 3. When he released it, he did so with so much swagger that I knew it was going in. Hopefully JA can learn from that and play with that swagger all the time.
I fully believe that JA can be a starting Pac 10 point guard. He was a top 50 national recruit for a reason. He just needs to be more decisive on offense and give defenses something to worry about when he has the ball. The more they have to pay attention to him, the more space that MR, ML and co. can have to get open outside or down low.
Nikola Dragovic
If JA took some heat last night, it was nothing compared to what ND's taken this weekend - and not with out cause. Against Portland, awful doesn't even begin to describe how he played. But last night, despite his many flaws, I saw a guy who really, really wanted to do things the right way. Yeah, he took some bad shots. Yeah, he got beat on defense. Yeah, he didn't always box out. But he always, always, hustled.
I think there's a lot to be said for a senior - and the only returning starter - to be hustling his butt off for loose balls. ND was diving on the floor, crashing the glass (and picking up some "hustle" fouls in the process), and really giving his best effort on D. The problem, of course, is that he's just not athletic or quick enough to guard most guys man-to-man. Plus, he was often guarding Shelvin Mack for some reason, which is a tough guard for anyone.
ND is important to our season guys, like it or not. The reason CBH keeps playing him is because he knows he needs him. He hit a huge 3 last night, then nailed 2 FT's right after to bring us within 3. He may not be the most athletically gifted guy, but if he cuts down on the dumb plays and gets a better matchup on D, he's going to be a useful player. CBH knows this. So he's going to keep getting minutes this season - and I'm going to look for his contributions, not whine all game about his flaws.
As far as the other guys go, ML and DG both had pretty typical games. Lots of energy and hustle from both, some out of control plays leading to foul trouble, but overall solid basketball. These two are clearly our most reliable playmakers, and need to have the ball in their hands as much as possible. I thought we did a fair job getting them involved - although I'd like to see ML handle the ball as the PG more.
JK...well...he's JK. He's got heart, he tries, but he's just not a Pac 10 player. I give him all the credit in the world for fighting back from his injuries and giving 100%, but his minutes really need to start going to MM, RN, and BL. The freshmen are our future. Let's get that future started now.
Overall, this wasn't a terrible game by any means. But as I said before, I don't believe in moral victories. What I do believe in is taking the positives from a loss and turning them into wins in the future. The focus now should be bringing the same intensity and passion we saw last night to the game Sunday morning against LB State. I'm not getting into that game because I know nothing about the 49ers. But I do know that we can, should, and hopefully will win. This can still be a tournament team. Maybe not on paper (barring a major upset non-conference), but in talent and ability. If we can get the pieces rolling by the time we hit conference play, anything can happen. It's a down year in the Pac, and we have as much talent as anyone in the conference. We just need to put it together.
GO BRUINS
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great summary of the game
anderson was awful. he did make the clutch plays at the end that didn’t quite work but he had many comeback-killer turnovers. our front court will be very solid. it is interesting because the team is just several steps behind what we are used to, I don’t think, however it is athletic ability on the freshman/sophomore class. lot of rookie mistakes too.
i am not giving up on this year. this team has potential. as they get familiar with the defense results will come. we were collapsing three people on open guys where two would have done it in the past, leaving wide open shooters—this will get less and less. this will not continue. we will be strong (as in tournament-caliber not Ucla standards) by the end of the year, have faith, and are building a solid foundation…
Thank you
For not making me read the local report on our game last night Bucknell. Much appreciated. Your thoughts on Dragovic are interesting but I guess I will have to wait till few more games to see how it turns out. JA’s night sounds very discouraging.
For the most part JA was very disappointing
but I really feel that the way he ended the game will have a positive affect on his play going forward. The fact that he had the confidence to let that last shot go shows that he believes in himself, which is what really needs to happen. Like I said above, he was a top 50 recruit.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Nov 28, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely not giving up on him
Not even close but I think it is going to be a roller coaster with him for a while. I see him turning into a good pg by next season. The question is whether he will develop enough this year to give us a serviceable season?
Totally agree
I was at the game last night, and it seemed like JA was a different person the last couple possessions. I was pulling my hair out all game, and then he (and ML) had some great drives at the basket that I’ve been waiting for all season. The three JA took showed some swagger (i hope). He was wide open and nailed it.
Bruin-4-Life!!!
Being patient
I am not down about UCLA basketball. We all knew going into this season that it was a “reloading” season. Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky…they all go through this in the modern college basketball landscape… your best recruits do not stay 4 years, and with television exposure everywhere now, we simply cannot throw out the name “UCLA” and expect the absolute BEST recruits.
(There are so many other reasons as well, but moving on to this year’s team)
We haven’t seen Tyler Honeycutt yet.
We all know that unlike a nameless previous coach, Coach Howland will have this team playing its best basketball in the middle to end of the Pac 10 season.
Coach is still looking for the right “mix”. Last night is certainly seemed like Reeves Nelson deserves more playing time.
Though Anderson certainly looked lost for 39:30 last night, we should take SOME encouragement in the fact that Howland had the confidence in the kid to have him take the last two shots. Had we shut down Butler’s last possession and won in overtime, we would all be talking about how clutch the kid was in the last 30 seconds.
I have high school coaching experience. I can tell you that when I had a young team I absolutely hated the early tournaments and tried to schedule where I could get as many practices in before we played our first game. (Conversely, when I had an older team, I tried to “resume build” early) Although at UCLA we should never lean on this, we should remember that every team we have played so far has FAR more experience than we do. Mix that in to the total practice hours we have lost to injury, missing our top freshman recruit, the ND distraction…
Wrapping up…I am going to be patient through December. I was skeptical we would be a tournament team before the season…now I have conceeded that we likely will not be. But I think Coach will have us on a roll by the end of the season and with the overall weakness of the Pac 10 this year, we could still get 16-18 wins…and perhaps an NIT bid.
Thanks for the encouraging summary
I was only able to follow the game on this thread last night and it was sounding pretty much like a rerun of Portland for awhile. Then it seems something began to click. Your summary tells a good story and I for one appreciate the objectivity and realistic approach you’ve taken. I was admitedly in a bad funk all day yesterday and posted a couple pretty negative comments. This game has given me hope that we will have the season that should be expected from our top notch recruits. We will need to show improvement each game; particularly tomorrow against LBS.
Different from the start!
This game was nothing like the Portland game. We came out with energy, playing solid defense, and looking and acting HUNGRY. We were always in this game, even when we were 2-digits down. It was very refreshing to see Ben Ball, albeit it not at a high enough level yet. I have to keep reminding myself that Howland’s offense and defense are complex and our guys have barely had any court time together, especially compared to the teams we’ve played to date. Playing HS ball is nothing like Ben Ball! Our guys will get it, and if we can improve game to game like we did Portland to Butler, we’ll have a damn fine team.
I was very glad to see a lot more players playing this game
I think that will be a huge step forward both in the short term and the long term. Having 8 players play more than 10 minutes is great. Particularly glad to see R Nelson in there with 16 minutes
We do need to get better at free throws… a few more free throws made in this game and CSUF and we are 4-1 instead of 2-3.
Great improvement, particulalry in focus and energy.
Sorry to all if over-reacted after the first few games..
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 28, 2009 10:33 AM PST reply actions
lol - no worries
I think we have to be careful even when we see signs of encouragement and not get carried away. I didn’t get to watch last night’s game but despite the encouraging posts, I am not certain right now whether what folks saw from JA and others are signs of things to come or just the latest uptick before another discouraging down one in this roller coaster season.
I was just glad to see so many players get significant PT
that is something we have to do with this squad to develop players. It is better to have youthful mistakes in my opinion that older guys playing who simply aren’t talented enough…. There is room for all for PT, and I am glad BH started playing the young guys and giving folks minutes. I hope it continues…
I just read the box score and listened on the radio and internet updates from my phone. The girlfriends house doesn’t have espn u.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Nov 28, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Free throws
It would help if players would get to the line more than a couple times. 10-17 isn’t good at all, but the number of attempts was spread out with players mostly shooting just a couple of times. The players need to draw more fouls from the opponents.
Agreed on all points
I was very excited watching last game. Thats the first time i can say that for this season. Also, I really think DG is becoming something special for us down low. That 5th foul on his block was a brutal call… However, i still think JK sucks.
Also, MM does have a great basketball body, but i’m not sold at all on his offensive game yet.
UCLA '08
TH / AS . . . and JS2
I dont get a chance to contribute to BN as much as I used to so this may have been discussed, but lets not forget that we are still awaiting the debut of 5-STAR Tyler Honeycutt, a guy thats a bit like Ed OBannon (with less hops) . . . TH won’t solve our point guard problems but he’s a real “tweener” that will open things up a bit inside and will counteract the dreadful zones with his outside shooting ability. Anthony Stover will add even more depth as a raw, but athletic 7-footer. This won’t equate to a Final Four this year, but we havn’t yet seen what CBH can do with a full arsenal just yet . . . and 5-STAR big man Josh Smith (JS2) is coming in next year (think DaJuan Blair or a mini-Elton Brand)!
Two things that stick
1. Roll has now cost us 2 games with unclutch play. Besides the pathetic burn on defense by a 6-9 guy, he missed a free-throw in crunch time and a number of wide-open threes that would’ve seriously swung momentum. Clearly, he’s playing too many minutes and getting gassed, something that can only change with Honeycutt’s return. Still very disappointing.
2. James Keefe will be the first senior to get sacrificed to the youth movement. That much is now clear. For all his effort, he is pretty damn worthless. With Dragovic there is at least the possibility that he can shoot well, which he did for half a season (and last night). With Keefe there is no such possibility, with the added guarantee of several turnovers (at least 2 illegal screens) and missed layups. Defensively and rebound-wise, he is barely better than Drago.
It’ll be the same story as last year, with Drago surpassing Keefe and Keefe possibly being surpassed by Lane and Nelson. That’s how it went last night in the second half.
The Perfect Storm
Carolina won 2 championships this decade because they had most of their star players return for their junior and senior seasons. The same can be said for Kansas a couple years ago.
We had the mix of veteran leaders and a freshman sensation 2 years ago and that was our “perfect storm” to win a championship.
The bulk of our talented players are freshmen and sophomores. Our seniors are really role players. Hopefully, ML will stick around for a couple years. We need to be patient with CBH and the squad. I don’t want to be like the suc fans and have a championship or bust mentality.
I’m glad the BBall warriors came back with grit and played hard last night.
Go Bruins, beat suc and lbsu :)
by UCLA Championships Made Here on Nov 28, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions
Nice Write up
I thought the hedges were a bit crisper today, and the double teams down low were effective but only so far as the rotations were made in a timely manner – which is where many of our younger players (and ND) would get lost and we’d get burned. Still, it was pretty fortunate that when this breakdown occurred, the open man was someone around the perimeter as there were no plays I can remember when Butler had a wide open man inside.
I also agree that ND was making a conscious effort to improve his play, but he’s still got a ways to go on the defensive end. I can’t really recall a bad shot he took this past game. He took what some people perceived to be a bad shot late in the second half near the baseline about 10 feet away (which RN cleaned up and put back in), but hey if you’re a senior on this team and you’ve got a 5 inch height advantage on the guy that’s guarding you, I think taking the shot is not such a bad idea.
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
Question
Any theories as to why the dramatic improvement on defense? Shouldn’t we have seen glimpses of it already? Just curious as to why the defense has been so horrible to the point of being unrecognizable, and then all of a sudden in one game, become Ben Ball again. Does it mean that the kids have always known about Ben Ball, but have been lazy up to now? BTW, thank you for the awesome summary and analysis!
Its the first time they seemed to play with passion
They were literally sprinting around the court on switches and help side D etc. They weren’t showing that much hustle previously. So ya, I think maybe they finally realized that much effort it what is required to play at this level.
UCLA '08
by BruinTrouble on Nov 28, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions

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