Pete Carroll & Southern Cal: They Are Who We Thought They Were
by Blue Me on Nov 30, 2009 4:17 AM PST
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So what are we going to do about it?
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Many Bruin fans, myself included, went to bed last night with our blood pressure a little higher, our heart rates a little faster, and our jaws and fists clenched a little tighter. A few vulgar outbursts under our breaths. Anger, fury, and frustration firmly entrenched in our minds.
When is a loss not just a loss? When we lose to Southern Cal. When we lose the way we did last night.
Did we learn anything about Pete Carroll and Southern Cal that we didn't know already? No. They are classless. They are arrogant. They are hypocrites. They are low-lifes. Tell me something I didn't know, say, 20 years ago.
So now what?
My hatred for Southern Cal cannot get any stronger. I loathe them more than a loathe anything on this planet. Yet I am certain there are many Bruins out there that don't have as strong a hatred as I do. If I am on that campus right now, no Trojan gets within 100 yards of the Bruin bear during game week without getting knocked out. Plain and simple. Maybe after last night, there are a few more Bruins on campus that now feel the way I do.
A few more enraged, polarized Bruin faithful...that's a start.
If I am one of the Bruin players, or coaching staff, I am looking in the mirror this morning and telling myself: What can I do to get better in the next 365 days. What will I be doing to get stronger. What will I be doing to get faster.
A few more players with an extra spark.
It starts with the next game. Hopefully a bowl game. We need to come out with a fire and passion that will carry a wave of momentum into the offseason.
It carries on into the living rooms of recruits in the offseason. Games are won and lost right here. This fire and passion has to be felt, and hearts and minds have to be won.
It then carries on through the winter and spring quarters in the wee hours in the weight room. It carries on to spring scrimmages and seven on seven drills in the early summer.
It then carries into the start of the 2010 schedule.
We are now better. We are now stronger. We are now faster.
I have been watching Bruin-Trojan games since the late '70s. It was the same way then as it is now: the calls will NEVER, EVER, EVER go our way. Period. Which means we have to be THAT MUCH better than they are. We have to go out and ANNIHILATE them. EVISCERATE them. KNOCK THEM OUT. LEAVE NO DOUBT.
One year from now we will have another opportunity. We have to harness that anger, that frustration, and that fury and focus on becoming a better football team.
They are who we thought they were. They always will be. Now we have to get better. Now we have to rise up as a Bruin community and support this program like never before.
LETS GO!
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Agree
I also feel the same way. I thought that I hated $c more than anyone could, but now I hate them even more – if that is possible. I agree that we need to keep this in our hearts and minds for the next 370 days. We do need to improve by doing all the things you mentioned. Great post. When I saw the taunting and jeering by the thugs and that idiot girl on the sidelines, I wanted our team to go over there and bash their heads in, including Pom Pom’s. I also will never, and I hope our team will never, forget Matt Barkley’s grin on the sidelines after throwing the bomb – acting just like his classless coach. The acorn doesn’t fall to far from the classless tree. Anyway, we have a lot of work to do and let’s get started today!!
by Forever a Bruin on Nov 29, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions
Hatred for the enablers
I can hardly hate PC or SC any more. Yes, last night the hatred reached an almost violent level at a few points in Westwood, where more SC logos were on display than Bruin ones (actually, I didn’t see a single Bruin one besides my own during my post-game anger prowl). But this is barely any different than PC going for it repeatedly on 4th and 12 during the 66-19 route, or having his players dance on our field at halftime last year, or any of another 20 things.
This entire week should’ve taught everyone where to direct their hatred at this point in our cursed Bruin lives:
The wimps of our soccer-mom fan base.
The wimps of our soccer-mom "bruin activities" directors and student spirit participants (they don’t deserve to be called "fans") who know more about gymnastics and a capella singing groups and break dancing and the hamster dance than being able to name a single formation in the game of football.
The wimps who produced a supposed football rally like it was a middle-school hipster talent show. (Whoever thought our Beat SC rally wasn’t absolutely pathetic before CRN came out must’ve been intoxicated or disoriented or a rally virgin.)
The wimps of our punt-to-win entrenched football establishment who hired Karl Dorrel to keep us weak on purpose, and whose influence I’ll have to see CRN actively defy on the sideline before I believe he is above it.
This is what enabled UCLA football to become Pete Carroll’s bitch. With his mercy our only hope, and bitching about being his bitch our only pleasure. I hate it now more than ever.
by bluebland on Nov 29, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
2 items to add
- Motivation should never, ever be an issue for UCLA vs socal again. How could any competitor see that and not get focussed?
- CRN made two comments to keep in mind. “it’s our job to stop those plays” & “I have a long memory”
There are many deep issues for Bruins everywhere to address. We all know, or should know, what they are. You are either going to have & support a major Div I program, or you watch low class duds like socal continue to act with impunity as they did 11-28-09.
Let’s lock jaws and get back to 8 in a ROW.
Good Post, Blue Me
Exactly on the lines I’ve been thinking over the last 24 hours or so. I didn’t even bother to get on BN yesterday (Sunday) as I was so pissed from the night before. I needed a day to collect my thoughts.
You’re right though, about calls that never seem to go our way. The ones that stand out in my mind are the bogus pass interference calls in the 1973 and 1977 games (I particularly remember the one again Johnny Lynn in ’77 as the Trojans were driving for the eventual game winning FG that knocked us out of the Rose Bowl that season).
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 AM PST reply actions
Ahhh....Early A.M. mistype
Meant to say “against” Johnny Lynn (yawn).
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 30, 2009 4:41 AM PST up reply actions
City Rivalry
I don’t know why Bruinsnation is so upset with this late TD. Sure, that was pouring it on but RN asked for it when he called the TO to extend the game. SC should have just run down the clock instead of throwing the bomb but that’s just their style. Bruins are missing the whole point. Rather than dwell on their “character” or lack of sportsmanship, we should be focusing on why we lost the game . . . again. It’s been 10 out of 11 years and UCLA just needs to recruit better players. When that happens, we won’t have to worry about their style and who they are.
Semi-agree..
To repeat a comment I made on another thread, when RN called the timeout, he effectively threw down a gauntlet and we/his troops should have been ready for anything that they would throw at (or over) us. SUC could have just sat on the ball but they chose to air it out, put it up for grabs.
I know Petey briefly blurted this in his final flippant post-game remarks, but there could have been a fumble or an interception or something that went against the Condoms — and the game woulda ended up 21-14.
Who knows?
Now I am not IN ANY WAY standing up for USC or Carroll. In fact, the best thing he could have done, having won the game, was to diffuse any anger with a conventional show of sportsmanship, sat on the ball, let the cock run out, and come to the center of the field with an effusive smile and some gracious words about how well the Bruins did.
A soft answer turneth away wrath.
As it was, the meeting at midfield was terse and the stares each coach gave one another were laden with truculence.
Finally, it speaks volumes that Carroll saw fit to behave that way. We might be pissed now, but something is clearly bothering this guy; some insecurity is showing. When the scales tip in this town — and the momentum is slowly but inexorably shifting — that insecurity will manifest itself in more abundance. Give this guy a couple of sub-par seasons, restive alums, and that litany of transgressions you guys have been compiling here will all come to manifest themselves in his “moving on”.
So replay these clips ad nausea, someone make the popcorn and get the suds, it’s gonna be a fun year.
God, it's great to be a Bruin!
Its just not the call, its the reaction.
The touchdown in itself isn’t as bad as Carroll celebrating with his team rubbing in, then COMING on the field to taunt us. So lucky this isn’t known as the UCLA-USC Ron Artest style riot year. The coaches and security guards were about to get trampled. If this was the SEC, I’m a riot sure would have broken out.
What's important
I’m certainly not condoning his reaction to the TD but is this MORE important than losing the game itself? Most of the comments on this site have only centered around Pete Carroll and the end of the game that had already been decided. Why is everyone ignoring the fact that we lost again and can’t even beat SC in a down year for them? Isn’t that a concern to anybody here besides myself?
CRN didn't ask for it...
That is standard protocol for most sports. you gotta burn every possible scenario or else you will be criticized as being a quitter. if CRN didn’t take those timeouts, i would have screamed as would have millions of other bruin fans. the knee jerk infantile reaction to the TO by pete is “hey let’s get back at them and throw the bomb.” all seasoned, respectable, and sportsmanlike coaches may have that thought, but in an effort to teach their team positive messages, will tell his team to take a knee. coach pete is a great face for sc. its a school where teaching kids the valuable lessons in life take an extreme back seat. in the words of GW we misunderestimated petey. this is the character of SC that only crystallizes the reason most of us hate SC. not because they won, but because they are bad people.
as for our team, our freshman quarterback was a little in over his head. and norm chow thought he saw something in his cheetah formation that would work. as our offense continues to develop we will be back. the biggest issue now is what prince will take away from this. will he grow from this or fade away? i think the former as will the rest of the team. our focus should be to keep this coaching staff intact and hope price stays one more year though i doubt it.
Not being a quitter works both ways
If RN called the TO so as not to be a quitter than how can you criticize Pete for not quitting? He was willing to end the game by taking a knee. I fully disagree with his sideline antics after the TD, but whether they won 28-7 or 21-7, does it really matter? A loss is a loss and we’re a 6-6 team once again. I hate and despise SC as much as you do (I’ve been to every game between the two schools since 1965), but why dwell on Pete Carroll? The sad fact still remains we are an inferior program to SC in football . . . and probably always will be.
Up until your last phrase
I tend to agree with everything you wrote…before the ellipsis.
I will never accept your last 5 words.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
short memory
we had a streak of 8 games about 11 years ago. and that streak was when i went to ucla. and one year we were right there in the hunt for the national title until the miami game… which had issues all its own. so like gbruin says, “i will never accept your last 5 words.” that would make me a quitter. my whole perspective is that in the end, this is ucla and usc. two universities of higher education that happen to have sports too. rick and pete, well, they are teachers. like john wooden was. i appreciate rick’s lesson and think that pete’s lesson was pretty shabby. that’s all. rick and norm are recruiting hard. we have made incredible strides in two year. remember, the cupboards were pretty empty when they arrived… keep the faith bruins! we are not fair weather fans! we bleed blue and gold forever! and when we get to heaven, we will see that God is a bruin too!
Let's not lose sight of a couple of things
There is a lot of apologia going on here, and a lot of rationalization of Cheatie Petie’s action. Only one guy ever pulled stunts like that other than Cheatie, and that was Steve Spurrier who poured it on for 60 minutes to get huge margins of victory and advancement in the polls. (And the official editorial position of the ‘wrap was to excoriate Spurrier, but that’a another story for another day.)
Cheatie did two things that would get him a fastball in the chops if he did it in baseball. With time running out, he did not run the ball up the middle. He threw the bomb. If that’s incomplete it stops the clock, and Cheatie’s prior play call made it clear that he did not want the clock stopped. Cheatie was trying to rub our collective noses in a defeat. That’s what he did with the bomb, and that’s why he’s a despicable person.
Item two is the taunting by Cheatie himself after the play. He could have just attended to business, patted his guys on the rear when they came off the field, but that’s not what he did. He did what we all say, and that’s totally classless. The greatest Coach in any sport in any age would never in a million years have done that. No other coach would have done that. It is the antithesis of class, and of course the epitome of all that is just$c.*
No more explanations of Cheatie’s motives or conduct, please. What he did was indefensible. Period.
Petie was getting hammered in Tank McNamara last week
Maybe the ribbing in a comic strip was just a bit too much for him.
Bob O. (Signholder #3)
I partially agree
with Bruin69. In that last minute, neither CRN nor the other team’s coach broke any rule or did anything that, in retrospect, was truly surprising. That other school, given the opportunity, took a cheap shot, landed the blow, and enjoyed it to the depths of their twisted souls. Of course they did. They always will. But I, who thought Harbaugh’s decision was great, cannot complain. In fact, my general take on this is that losers have only themselves to blame; they must offer congratulations and get to work on correcting the situation. Carrying on about the low tactics of the enemy only increases their joy and satisfaction at our unhappiness. I don’t know how long it will be before we can gain retribution. Now matter how great our determination, there is a lot that has to be done, and that other school will not slack off their efforts to regain dominance in the league and a place in the BCS top four. Hatred is one thing, effective action is another. I hope we do get a bowl bid, so that we can benefit from the additional practices, but that pitiful Rose Bowl attendance against ASU certainly does not help our cause. So many Bruins just don’t seem to get it. But, having no other choice, we have to look ahead. And congratulations to this Bruin team which, if nothing else, played hard, gave us hope, and six undeniable wins. I consider it a start.
I wonder how much they're truly enjoying it
Now that they’re getting blowback from places where they have received unquestioned support in the past. A lot of them seem angry that we’re “tainting” their victory by calling attention to their behavior, which is a classic case of blaming the victim. I am personally enjoying taking the joy out of their win and smearing it with the mud of their ugly celebration dance.
So do I
Agree with ReineSeite. Let’s stop wasting so much time on PC and get to the heart of the problem . . . our program and specifically our offense. After all, we can’t control what PC or SC does except to beat them on the field. That will shut them up.
By the way, did anybody notice that one of the 4-star football recruits de-committed and another opened up his recruiting? Shouldn’t this be of a concern to Bruins Nation?
Old story re. Jefferson
His commitment has been viewed as suspect, at best, for quite a while. He simply shed any remaining pretense of being a Bruin yesterday.
Uh
Did you actually take note of a thread on that 4 start commit and also a post opening up discussion on our offense.
I didn’t see you offering anything on any of those threads. So, instead of whining about what we should be writing about why don’t you actually initiate discussions with well written posts? Again, no one here is writing based on your wishes. If you want to discuss something then write it up, instead of bitching about it.
Actually I think he's talking about Paul Richardson
As far as the other one, but I don’t remember him ever being officially committed and it seems like business as usual. We still have to close on him anyway. But yeah, it does seem like Bruin69 is just here to whine about coverage rather than actually contributing to what he’d like to see.
Richardson opening up his recruitment
was “news” back in summer. So this guy in that case is few months behind.
Tydides
Just making a comment on these comments. If that’s whining, so be it.
Yeah, it's whining
Try contributing for once. Maybe you’ll get some respect then. And regarding BRO, the “news” there is that he’s taking his visits. Seeing as how he’s not our commit, that’s called business as usual.
Like I said, you do a lot of whining about what people are talking about but aren’t actually discussing what you supposedly want to see yourself. Put up or shut up.
Stab your own . . .
Nice comments Nestor and your faithful followers against a Bruin that has probably gone to more games than all of them combined. I wasn’t knocking Bruins Nation per se, my point is why is there so much emphasis on Pete Carroll and what happened at the end of the game. No one really seems to be that concerned that we lost the game. You guys are the ones that are whining. Just let it go. As for the comment about the recruits, this was news today on BRO which I subscribe to. I guess they are 3 months behind, too. Thanks, I’ll tell them.
You are wrong on both counts
Paul Richardson opened up his recruitment around May 29, 2009. So the news about him opening up his recruitment is indeed 6 month old news, notwithstanding the update on BRO Today.
As for emphasis on Petey, the late game moments are on our mind, so we are writing about it. If you want to talk about our offense, you are more than welcome to write up a detailed post, and then have a discussion around it. There has already been one up in fanpost, in which you could have contributed, but you didn’t. So yeah, right now it clearly looks like whining without any rhyme or reason.
Can't make this any clearer, Tydides
I’m trying to talk about the game itself and the reasons why we lost. You and others just want to keep talking about PC. I just think there’s too much emphasis on what transpired at the end of the game rather than the game itself. Maybe it’s your way of trying to cope with yet another loss the SC. That’s my contribution like it or not.
Oh really?
Where are you trying to do that? I don’t see any fanposts with you generating discussion. I don’t see any analysis by you in any of the threads and fanposts that already exist dedicated to this topic. I see you whining about what’s being written.
I can’t make this any clearer: PUT UP OR SHUT UP
Whining?
I suppose these comments posted on BN aren’t “whining” about PC? But my comments about those comments are? Oh well . . .
Sorry, I didn’t see the Fanpost about the offense (I don’t read everything on this site). As for the recrutis, Brandon Huffman reported on 11/29/09 that Tony Jefferson decomitted from UCLA after taking an official visit to SC. And today, he reported Paul Richardson, who once was committed to UCLA, is taking his time with final decision and going on all 5 of his visits. Sorry if this was “old” news to everybody. Guess I’ll just keep my mouth shut and stay with BRO.
Yeah, they are
Because we’ve had plenty of people like you coming in here in the past and trying to dictate what should and shouldn’t be written. You know how many have succeeded? None. If this is the extent of what you’re capable of contributing, then by all means please stay on BRO.
69, it sounds like whining to me, too.
There are lots of detailed, analytical posts about offense and defense. They are great teaching tools. I’ve been watrching football for probably as long as anyone on the BN, but those posts contain way more information than I knew. That, I think, is what the criticism of your posts are referring to. It’s OK to say, “Gee, we need a better offense,” but there isn’t much to be said after that. What do we need to do? Specifically? I kind of liked the concept of getting a proven success as a head coach, who then hired a proven success as an offensive coordinator. I’m willing to give them more time to get the athletes moving in and moving in the right direction.
I also think there is never too much criticism of Cheatie Petie. He is a horrible person, who I would not want my son to play football for. The more we get that news out, the more unlikely that Cheatie will get the athlete with even marginal integrity.
BE PATIENT.PROBATION COMING FOR UNIV OF SCUMBAGS & CONDOMS
Because of Bush $ and Basketball, NCAA will sanction them with 1. No bowls or TV games.
2. Little Peter will bolt to the NFL because of the dick he is. That will kill recruiting, and we will be the chief beneficiary. PC is mad BECAUSE OF all the great ones RN is getting away from SUC after they committed. (Rememeber the LATimes story?) He was NEVER mad at KD. Tried to save his job, of course. “VICTORY IS FLEETING.”..George S. Patton.
...and then SedonaMan woke up.
Sounds great to me. I’d love to see it. I’d be the first to host a party. It isn’t going to happen, though.
formerly AZBruin
You are right
Nothing seems to come from any of southern cal’s infractions. Seems like everyone from the NCAA & Pac-10 hope the story just dies. sc on it’s own doesn’t give a damn about it because there really doesn’t seem to every be any consequences for their actions save for scapegoating Floyd. I think the real marker would be if Petey suddenly jumped ship to the nfl, then some advance warning would be on the horizon ala Calapari.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
TO's called by other coaches
Others have called a TO when other team taking a knee but when CRN does it it insults Petey! His very existence as a coach who condones behavior off the field is an insult. NCAA always shields trojans but maybe with Miled Brand gone someone with balls will take over but we shouldn’t hold our breath. Hopefully, all Bruin teams will be reminded of this latest fiasco and use it to motivate us to large margin beatings.
Suggested New Moniker for "Chetey Petey" Carroll
Consider “CHEAP SHOT” Cheatey Petey Carroll
For me it puts the “S” and the “C” in SuC in proper perspective
Your comments please.
'CaptainJack65'
Jack Metcalf
S and C combo
Remember you can not spell SCum without sc
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