Ben Ball Gameday Roundup: Howland Staying The Course (Sticking With Failed Starting Lineup)
Ben Howland and his basketball team (I think we can stop calling these guys "Ben Ball warriors") take on New Mexico State Aggies today to follow up on the debacle against Mississippi State. Honestly, I don't feel the normal excitement and sense of anticipation around UCLA basketball I have felt in recent years. I don't feel it because once again heading into the game I am left with the same questions we all have been asking in pretty much every game: 1) will Howland hold his staters accountable for not playing defense, 2) will we get better at FT line, 3) will we should better effort on the defensive front with better double teams, on ball pressure from our guards, and 4) will we play with any kind of passion and intensity.
It will be increasingly hard to get excited about these games if Ben Howland continues to waste huge chunks of mins on Nikola Dragovic and Jerime Anderson, dispirting the Bruin faithful, and probably discouraging the freshme who can see their coach not holding players accountable who don't live up to the standards of defense and sound fundamental basketball on both ends of the court. Howland for his part didn't indicate of any dramatic changes in the near future:
"He (Dragovic) really knows he played an all-around poor game," said Howland, whose Bruins face New Mexico State tonight at Pauley Pavilion.
"His defense, his rebounding against Mississippi State were definitely sub-par. If he continues to play at this pace, obviously he's going to play less minutes."
We will see Howland actually decreases Dragovic's mins if he continues to play like ... well how he has played his entire career at UCLA (except for a brief spurt in couple of Pac-10 games last season). It is mindboggling how Howland continues to play this guy just for his cheap 3 pointers, while he has consistently hurt the team with his mental lapses on both end of the court. Laugably though, per Jon Gold in the Daily News, Dragovic thinks that his only problem is with his shooting technique:
At issue for Howland is not Dragovic's form or his follow-through or his shot selection, but his eyes. Dragovic was in the gym an hour before his teammates working on his shot, trying to focus on the target - that metal circle with the net - rather than the ball.
Howland has tried to get Dragovic to address the issue for four years, though his fantastic shooting late last season curbed the talk.
"I'm having shooting problems, but I'm doing everything I can," Dragovic said. "I feel more comfortable. I talked to coach and he wants me to keep my eyes on the rim as I'm shooting, and I'm thinking it will work out."
Uh, yeah ok. It's just that he is having "shooting" problems. Our frustration has nothing to do with his inability to defend or just looking clueless on both ends of the court. It has nothing to do with playing without any heart and playing with an unreal sense of entitlement and no sense of accountability. Whatever. If Howland continues to waste away his mins on this guy, he will not only lose his team (which he did against Mississippi State), but he will also lose the base of support he has built at UCLA in last few years - quickly. More of "more of the same" from Howland after the jump.
It also looks like Anderson will get the start again. The LAT's printed the "point of view" of Howland's "point"guard:From where point guard Jerime Anderson stands, the Bruins' offensive production is suffering for a couple of reasons.
First, it seems, the shots that fall in practice keep bouncing away when game time comes around.
"People are a little bit more comfortable in practice and have more of a feel for what's going on," he said.
Also, Anderson wants to do more to create opportunities, which means penetrating to break down defenses, then either scoring or feeding teammates.
"I need to try to get to the hole a little more," he said, "and be a little more aggressive."
I wonder if the 50 percent FT shooter is also more "comfortable" at the FT line during practices. I was hoping Howland would use tonight's game against New Mexico State to start Malcolm Lee getting him ready for the regular season at pg, but looks like it is not happening as the stubborn head coach will continue to stay on the path which has led to one disaster after another early this season.
OH BTW we are playing New Mexico State tonight. Here are Howland's thoughts on the Aggies:
Watching film of tonight's opponent, New Mexico State, Howland came away impressed by the backcourt of Jahmar Young and Jonathan Gibson.
"Those two guys are very dangerous," he said. "They can really score."
The Aggies also have center Hamidu Rahman, who is averaging 13.3 points and 9.1 rebounds.
Howland expects them to play a 2-3 zone for much of the game, switching to man-to-man occasionally.
Again, I don't feel the motivation to look up the information on these guys. Why should I when it looks like I will be staying up to watch Anderson running the "point" and Chokola Dragovic chucking up more ill advised shots.
Still after all that we will have a game thread up around 7:00 pm PST. We will be around either getting excited for a new beginning or just going through the motions. Honestly I am not optimistic about the the former. Hard to get motivated to watch ugly basketball tarnishing the legacy of actual Ben Ball warriors in Westwood.
GO BRUINS.
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UCLA's Nikola Dragovic acknowledges being distracted
argh, feel your pain N. chokola is right! this is the latimes headline. CBH, doesn’t this tell you that drago is mentally compromised? please SUSPEND HIM until his court date. develop your other players. use mustafa and spencer or anyone. trust us, jerime will learn a lot by watching from the bench….
Howland's stubborness
Coach Wooden always adapted his game to the players he has on hand. Adaptation seems to be a dirty word for Howland. At 2-6 obviously his current scheme is not working. Does he have a Plan B?
Bluegold, you are absolutely wrong about Coach
He was intensely stubborn. He was far more stubborn than Coach Howland. Coach NEVER varied what he did with his teams, ever. He was stubborn about a high post offense with two exceptions, when he had Alcindor and Walton. He was stubborn about playing man to man versus zone. He was stubborn that one guy could cover Austin Carr in the streak-breaking game. He was stubborn about being proud of being stubborn.
He thought being stubborn was a virtue, when it came to sticking with a plan which has been proven to be correct time and time again. You can criticize Coach Howland all you want, but if you’re going to choose to compare him to Coach, then at least get your facts straight.
I have no problem with CBH's public comments
I just hope behind closed doors he is being somewhat more forthright with ND et al.
I don’t want my coach coming out and telling people in the media “If player X doesn’t pick it up, I’m going to sit his ass down at the end of the bench and he may never play again”
I do want him to be finding ways to motivate his players behind the scenes.
Sooo...
How many of us will be at the game tonight?
I’ll be there. Rooting on our worst ucla team of the past 6 years (if not longer)
I'm trying to make it the first game I get to this season.
Hoping I get off work in time. Lots of cheap tix on ebay, stubhub and ticketexchange. I am surprised I’m actually excited to see this team. If all else fails I guess it’s still fun to be in Pauley after some time away. And there’s always the cheerleaders. Maybe I’ll get to see some zone?
I have done a little research
on the Aggies. They recently defeated UTEP at El Paso, a good win for them. Also, a third shooting guard, “Gordo” Castillo, has been helping their offense lately. Their center is 6’ 11" according to roster info and they have a 7-footer on the bench, who plays little.They are excellent FT shooters, as a team. they lost earlier in the year to Cal State Fullerton, winning the first half, but losing the second by a substantial margin, when Fullerton hit a bunch of 3’s. (Don’t see how that helps us any). I have concluded that CBH is not just a stubborn fool, but that none of the young players have stepped up and taken Drago’s job from him in practice. Also, for a variety of reasons, I cannot join in the widespread condemnation of JA. Not that he is a great point guard in the Bruin tradition, but here is something I have seen happen countless times: We run a set, the floor is balanced, rebounders are in place, a shooter comes open, Anderson delivers the ball, it reaches the shooter on time and in good position, and the shooter REFUSES THE SHOT, fakes a pass, and the merry-go-round starts over, frequently ending up with a poor shot taken as the clock winds down. I don’t oppose ML running the offense. It might help, But I don’t blame JA for everything that is wrong with the Bruins. As for his defense, he has a decent number of steals, and isn’t the Howland concept team defense? So where is it? It’s not on one guy. Can’t be. But I do have a sense of dread about the game.After all, if you can’t defend and you can’t score, what is there to look forward to? But, just as I can see all the problems and defects, I can see those Butler and Kansas efforts, too. Guys just have to step up and battle.
seriously?
the part that bugs me the most is that drago looks at the ball when he shoots a 3. who the hell doesnt look at the rim?
Go Bruins!
good, bad, ugly?
Good: JA
“I need to try to get to the hole a little more,” he said, “and be a little more aggressive.”I’ve been impressed when he’s done this. He’s gotten some points, and it can break down defenses to help others. This I want to see!
Bad: CBH
“If he (ND) continues to play at this pace, obviously he’s going to play less minutes.”ND has ‘played at this pace’ for the better part of 3+ seasons. I want to believe CBH that he’ll drop ND’s minutes, but I can’t.
Ugly? Hopefully not staying up until near midnight watching another clusterf*ck. (Nestor and others in the Eastern time zone, I feel for you!)
This reeks of...dare I say it...
Dorrellianism…
Let’s stick with the west coast offense, shall we?
Sorry, but Einstein said it best: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”…
More of the same tonight will mean I’ll have to wait 9 months until football starts…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I had that thought earlier.
How sad is it to be a Bruin in December and think “we still have football?” Don’t misunderstand me, I’m thrilled to see the team’s growth under CRN, and I’m excited to watch the bowl game…but still. It’s just wrong.
Insanity
… is going away from what you think will give you the best possible chance to win, and hoping against hope that you are in fact bad at what you are paid to do – namely, working out how to give yourself the best possible chance to win basketball games.
by britishbruin on Dec 15, 2009 1:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I just don't understand this
ND at his best has been a one half type player. In past years he’d catch fire for about 10 minutes and then disappear. This year he doesn’t even have his good moments. I understand the line of thinking that you need him to produce something if this team is going to start winning games, but really, anything over 10 minutes to see if he’s “on” that night is just a waste of everyone’s time.
I think Brendan Lane should play as much as he can
But we none of us know how much that is. Is he in shape to play as much as we want him to? Does he have any clue about defensive assignments? We’re in love with his potential, but we don’t know just how much he CAN play at this point. Look at Bobo, who even in his second year is gassed after two trips down the court.
Lane is all I care about at the 4. Keefe is no better than Drago as far as I’m concerned, with Drago at least having some chance of catching fire, which Keefe has never done.
I am unpersuaded by the comparisons to Coach Dorrall
I am as frustrated as anybody about the current basketball debacle and I am not optimistic about what I will see tonight at Pauley. And Coach Howland is responsible for what is happening—don’t get me wrong.
But comparing Coach Howland to Coach Dorrall doesn’t ring correct with me. Coach Dorrall failed to recruit and win (except for 13-9 and the big year with Jones-Drew). Other than resolving some serious ethics issues, he was sadly unprepared to be a Division I head coach.
Coach Howland’s record of solid recruiting and teaching basketball is reflected by his players who are in the NBA and the character they have repeatedly displayed on the court.
Classic argumentation scholars assert that analogy is the weakest form of reason. (But somebody, was it Octavio Paz, said analogy is the highest form of poetry.) I realize the comparisons of Coach Howland to Coach Dorrall may be viewed as metaphorical rather than strictly in the form of an analogy, but I remain unconvinced. Coach Howland is an accomplished coach who knows more about the game and this team than probably all of us put together.
It is one thing to publicly ask legitimate questions about why certain players are playing (if I may use the term “playing” in a very loose almost jocular fashion) as Nestor correctly does in his current and prior posts. It seems to me to be a different issue to compare Coach Howland to a football coach who did not get the job done and became a millionaire not doing it.
Quite.
If dorrell had been Howlandian, he would have lost a couple of Rose Bowls and a National Title game, have three QBs currently getting NFL minutes as back-ups and one starting for a young team, along with a number of other players contributing to teams in other positions.
The comparison is silly. And using the names of Dorrell as an all-purpose insult is lazy. CRN punts on fourth down? Dorrellian. CBH tries to fit players to a proven system rather than changing to fit his players? Dorrellian.
At least I know that if CBH stops being so Dorrellian – maybe he could go away from teaching the style he knows best and let the players loose – then when that doesn’t work out so well, we can call him Lavinesque.
by britishbruin on Dec 15, 2009 1:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not comparing the coaches
or their records.
I am comparing their stubbornness in the face of adversity.
One did not have success and kept trying the same thing.
One did have success and is trying the same thing even if it doesn’t look like it’s working right now. His is a proven system and he may be right in the end after all, but in the meantime, it is frustrating to see an unwillingness to be flexible when it is clear to nearly everyone here that two of the current starters are hurting the team.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Apples and oranges
So you are comparing dorrell’s unwillingness to install some offense other than the west coast offense between seasons with cbh’s refusal to turn to some unproven players midseason at the expense of guys who have been in the system four years? Not particularly comparable, except that in both cases you want a change which seems obvious to you, but the coach refuses to make it.
Plenty of people on bn were adamant that crn should play Brehaut ahead of KC, because it was ‘so obvious KC is hurting the team’ and ‘we have to look to the future’. Doesn’t mean that crn was ‘Dorrellian’ for not doing that, and people were less vocal once Brehaut was thrust into the team and everyone else got to see what crn, nc et al had seen in practice each week.
by britishbruin on Dec 15, 2009 2:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're reading far too much into this
And it is not the first instance of CBH being stubborn. If it works for him, all the better. If it had worked for KD, then it would have been a compliment. I’m just saying that it’s the same trait and the only difference is the success each is having.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Yes
One year, many variables, Howland deserves more than this. Good perspective.
TONIGHTS GAME
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GOO BRUINS!

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