Ben Ball Roundup: Early Notre Dame Notes
Our friends over at Rakes Of Mallow are still too euphoric about their hiring of new football coach. So, can't blame them for not thinking too much about the 9-2 Fighting Irish's upcoming (gulp) nationally televised non conference game against our 3-6 Bruins. May be they will get fired up about it before Saturday but they are not yet.
We can expect the Irish hoops team to be fired up on Saturday because they are going to want revenge for what we did them to Pauley last year drubbing them by a score of 89-63. They have a record of 9-2 but they are coming into this game following a 2 point loss against LMU (may be they were already looking ahead to UCLA?). Their other loss this season came against in a 15 point defeat against North Western. The best team the Irish has beaten this year is St. Louis in the third-place game of the Chicago Invitational Challenge.
Obviously the center of attention on Saturday will be Luke Harangody. It will be interesting to see how the Bruins can defend him at Joyce Center. Perhaps they can use the same formula that allowed Nelson to contain Aldrich at Pauley. Then again, may be it's too much to ask our freshmen to show the kind of poise and maturity needed to get a win in a fired up, hostile, roald enviroment. Besdes Harangody, 5-11 guard Tory Jackson is the other dependable option returining from last season. Currently their rotation looks like this:
Usual Starters -- F Luke Harangody, F Tyrone Nash, G Jonathan Peoples, G Ben Hansbrough, G Tory Jackson. Key Subs -- F Tim Abromaitis, F Carleton Scott.
Ben Hansbrough, was hobbled a bit early in the season by a sprained right ankle, but he is rounding into form. He has been in double figures from the scoring line last 5 games and almost shooting 50 percent from the 3 point line.
Meanwhile, junior forward Tim Abromaitis, who played rarely as a freshman and missed the entire 2007-08 season, has emerged as the second leading scorer in the team as he begin this year with seven straight game in double figures. So, in other words, with injury to Keefe, Coach Howland is going to have his hands full dealing with the Irish front court. More on that after the jump.
Well here is the latest on Keefe. He is out at least 2-3 weeks with a dislocated shouler. It was the same shoulder that kept him out with a huge chunk of the season two years ago with a torn labrium. Thankfully though per Jon Gold the xrays this time were negative. I have to say again Keefe was an absolute warrior on Saturday. He got off to such a great start on the defensive end. When he got hurt it was pretty amazing to see how composed he was in dealing with the pain (when it was clear on camera (and to those who were at Pauley) what was happening to him). If there is a kid who deserves a happy ending at UCLA, who has done everything Coach Howland has asked him to do over the years without complaining one bit, it's James Keefe. I hope he can get fully healthy and can make a return to make some meaningful contributions before he is done.Now without Keefe Bruins are going to be short handed against Harangody and Abromaitis in the front court. It will be all about playing team defense:
The 6-foot-8, 246-pound Harangody is averaging 24.6 points and 10.1 rebounds.
"He's a beast," UCLA guard Michael Roll said. "It's going to be a team defense."
That means double-teams, help-side defense and players scrambling to box out.
UCLA Coach Ben Howland plans to throw a bench-full of players at Harangody, including Nikola Dragovic, Reeves Nelson, J'mison Morgan and perhaps Brendan Lane.
"Obviously losing James is really, really a tough deal for us," Howland said.
Well perhaps one guy who might be ready to step a little more will be freshman point-forward Honeycutt. Tyler is feeling pretty good after his effortless performance on Saturday. As poncho fanshotted this is what TH had to say about starting off 3-6:
"It's been real hard. I didn't expect this at all when I came here. I knew we had a tough schedule, but I thought it'd be competitive, close games. It's kind of helped us actually, kind of set us in our place. Let us know we're not all that and still have room to improve."
I was even more encouraged by this:
"I'm still getting back into it. Obviously I've only had about three practices. Eventually it will come along. I can improve on a lot. Defense, on-ball defense. I'm not used to turning the ball over that much.
Having him talk about the need to cut down on TOs and improving his "on-ball defense" is music to my ears. Honeycutt is not the only underclassmen excited about building on Tuesday's confidence gaining blowout win:
"A win against anybody right now makes a difference," point guard Jerime Anderson said. "It helps our confidence a little bit. It helps us feel better about ourselves.
"We've been working hard. That's one thing you can't take away from us. It just hasn't been transferring into games. The main thing for us was to really work hard, and it finally transferred to a game. I think we should try and build from that win."
All of the comments from this week has been encouraging. However, right now for me the key is for these guys to maintain their composure when they are on the road this Saturday. I still can't take too much from the blowout win against a cupcake team on Tuesday night. I think that effort will win something if they can replicate it again on national TV by slugging it out with what I expect to be a hungry and angry Irish team on both ends of the court.
It means the Bruins will have to come into that game with a defensive mindset. They will have to think about getting their points by generating suffocating defensive pressure, going after lose balls and then playing smart ball on the offensive end. It will mean not jacking up hurried three pointers (and you know who I am especially thinking about here) and looking for that extra pass down low to find the team-mate with easiest shot. If the Bruins can come out and give another all out effort with intensity and passion, it might just might set them up to finish rest of the non-conference season in a positive note.
GO BRUINS.
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Consistency is important
We have played up to tougher competitors and down (to truly ugly) to supposedly weaker competitors. NMSU was a change from that model….so let’s hope we can sustain intensity for 2 games in a row!
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Dec 17, 2009 9:09 AM PST reply actions
i think we can win this game
Even though ND just lost to LMU, i wouldn’t be surprised to see them overlook this game. They haven’t played a team with a pulse, but they are 9-2 and we’re 3-6. If we can play the tenacious D we showed at times against NMST and get out to a quick start, we can win.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
Is anyone heading to South Bend?
I’m headed down from Milwaukee for the game and have two extra tickets and would rather have them end up with a Bruin than a ND fan via Craigslist.
As far as containing Harangody goes, I’ve watched him play Marquette the last three years, and Marq has had success beating Notre Dame when it takes the approach of let Harangody have his points, but don’t let anyone else score. In the last two losses, Harangody averaged 29 ppg, and ND as a team averaged 65. In the one ND win in the last two years, they had a much more balanced attack, Harangody scoring 18 points, but the team totaling 86. Don’t know if CBH will adopt the tactic, but just something to think about.
It also seems that he gets frustrated when the man guarding him plays physical. Getting bumped around on offense, especially when no foul is called, really seems to bother his rythym on O as well as his decision making on D. Maybe he’s just been used to bowling over and through defenders with his size throughout his career. If RN brings his usual tenacity to South Bend, I think it will go a long way towards helping the Bruins head home with a W.
"Let's go Padres, let's have some baseball fun..."
Harangody
Notre Dame had much better cast surrounding Harangody the past two years. I agree with Milwaukee Padre in the approach of allowing Harangody to get his points, albeit, earn them – without giving up the three ball. In watching ND a couple times this year it seems that teams are playing off Jackson and taking away his penetration. They Irish aren’t exceptionally quick or atheltic and they don’t work real hard on defense. It will be a tough game for UCLA because it is their first true road game and the roster is so young. Enjoy the game Padre, I was at the Joyce a few years back when Aflalo and Farmar were freshmen and the Bruins needed that game to get off the bubble. It was awesome being one of about 100 Bruins fans in the place.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
I was there as well...
…and still remember two things vividly, being behind Ron Powlus in line for a pretzel and watching the Irish fans fawn over Charlie Weis, oh how the times have changed.
"Let's go Padres, let's have some baseball fun..."
by MilwaukeePadre on Dec 17, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Forgot about Charlie
I was dating an ND alum at the time and we were about four rows behind Coach Weis and his wife. My former girlfriend was friends with Coach Weis’ agent. Times have inded changed, I remember the Brian Morrison and Jordan raining threes on them and the ND fans yelling at me to sit down…good times
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Well, they have a number of weapons
in addition to Harangody. so it probably would not be wise to concentrate on him too much. He is more mobile and has a greater variety of shots than Aldrich did, but I think we can keep him to a normal output of 20+ points. It is interesting to note that LMU outrebounded them, based more on quickness than size. Also, ND apparently had trouble containing LMU’s guards. What I am getting at is that the Irish, though hard-working, well-coached, and capable of scoring, are not invulnerable, because of a lack of quickness. Now, we have not shown great quickness, but it is all relative; maybe we will have the edge against them. I hope so. My main concern is their greater maturity, and the fact that they have played and practiced together a lot more than we have. But there is no reason to expect that we can’t match-up well enough to have a chance. Some day this bunch of Bruins is going to become a real team. We are at the point now where individuals can’t get a lot better until the team begins to gel. Every game is an opportunity for that to happen. We will miss Keefe.
I would actually love to do this, but I doubt CBH would:
C — JMM
PF — RN
SF — TH
SG — MR
PG — ML
JMM — Sometimes, you have to throw something in the fire to temper it. Let’s see what he has.
RN — If Clark Kent can manhandle Aldrich, I think he can at least frustrate the heck out of Harangody. Let him off the leash.
TH — Kid’s earned it. I don’t even know if he started last game, and I don’t really care. Start him NOW. He’s the longest, most athletic SF we’ve had since Ariza or COB.
MR — Should be no-brainer.
ML — I’d rather have ML’s length to start and take pressure off of JA, even with his good game the other night against NMSU.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Agree...
That will be the best lineup by February. It all hinges on Anderson becoming consistent and Dragovic regaining his confidence beyond the arc. The Bruins need the perimeter shooting because this team will face nothing but zone in conference play.
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Bobo has shown nothing
He got significant playing time against New Mexico State, with most of the minutes coming after NMSU’s big guy had already fowled out or was off the floor with 4 fowls. He looked awful. He’s too slow to keep up with the pace of play, not aggressive on the boards, and has no shot. There is no way he should be starting and, in a close game, should be one of the last options to hand playing time to
It's early...
Bobo’s minutes are up since Gordon left the program. He’s averaging 15 minutes a game and contributing 4ppg, 3.5 rb, 1 bl in those three games. Not great numbers by any stretch. I’m not going to make any excuses for him, but he has battled leg injuries all year and doesn’t have the same type of explosion he had even last season when he was alot heavier. I’m taking a wait and see attitude with him and the other players that have gotten off to slow starts – MM, BL, heck most of the team outside of MR, RN and ML.
He is a defensive liability when asked to defend in space but he’ll do well against teams that have a big that isn’t that mobile, allowing him to use his body and length more than his quickness. I’ve been disappointed that he hasn’t shown more, but, again, I just look at what he does bring versus the things he’s struggled with. Minutes are earned in practice, but without Keefe and his knowledge of Howland’s scheme, putting Morgan in there to clog up the paint, block a few shots and rebound isn’t the worse idea.
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think we will see the promised zone?
If the issue is NDs post presence, and our inexeperienced bigs, seems like this would be a good time to mix it in…
I don’t think we will see it though.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 17, 2009 10:11 AM PST reply actions
I thought we pulled out zone toward the end of the last game
for a few possessions with the underclassmen.
I only remember seeing it for one series in the first half
but I have a notoriously bad memory.
With the roster and style of NMSU it didn’t make a lot of sense, but I think with NDs dominant big, it may make more sense to use it here.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 17, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
You are right.
In fact, Howland acknowledged there was one possession where we played zone. Then he deadpanned, “There were ‘almost’ two.” That got some laughs out of the press corps.
We played zone a little in the first half
Of our last game.
i think it was a single possession if I remember correctly
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 17, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
The same one where Bobo looked absolutely bewildered?
I really want to like the guy, but i focused on him when he came into the game on tuesday, and viewing from the student section, I could see clearly that he was looking around for a clue. Literally. It was sad. I wish we had a solid, seasoned center like PAA to just guide him along.
by longbordr52 on Dec 17, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
The guy looks like he's 50...
And it looks like he spends a lot more time in bars than in libraries.
I agree, but . . .
I looked him up — he’ll be 22 in January.
by Arturo del Mundo on Dec 17, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of hypocritical
that you guys make fun of a guy who stays in school for 4 years while at the same time begging the UCLA players to stay in school. Make up your mind.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

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