Playbook Open Thread
by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 17, 2009 5:59 PM PST
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As some of you know, I was given an opportunity to be an offensive coordinator at a high school, well the meeting is tomorrow for the playbook presentation.
I’m almost done with it, but I was wondering if any of you guys had a favorite (non-trick) play that I should throw in there or try to implement in my offensive sets.
I’ve drawn up plays from every Florida and Oregon I can find, you can use them for inspiration:
Thanks for the help in advance and fire away!
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Non trick plays
Haha, but good ideas none the less. There is actually a really in-depth analysis about those plays. Apparently there are a lot of kinetics involved in the gimmicks!
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I guess the fumble rooskie is a trick?
How about having the other teams band take the field and then running through them? Trick, too?
Or, a single wing play? That’s actually not a trick, it’s a relic — and may fool some people.
sjh
A surprising number of relics survive at the high school level
My high school ran the wishbone recently (not sure if they still do). They were decently successful, mainly competing in the City Invitational playoffs. I guess the talent level is a bit of a factor in what you can hope to run, though. The school only had the occasional Div-1 player (though 2 on Boise St. at the moment).
by SuperBruinMan on Dec 17, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
My high school just won the City D-II title
by defeating a team that ran the Wing T in the quarterfinals, then another Wing T team in the title game. It was deadly effective for both teams all year long.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 17, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of like the half-back option
And as a real option. If the safety bites even a little on the apparent run, then there should be enough separation that any reasonable pass should be completed. But if that’s not apparent immediately, then the guy should run.
And I concur with sjh’s idea about the fumblerooskie.
There’s also the swinging gate, which UCLA used a few years ago (with Cade, I think) and it worked so well that the cameras (all the cameras) missed it.
the option
at the high school level, the option is extremely hard to perfect, but the one I’m running is a simple zone read… besides all I sets are outdated right?
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+1
Toledo had some of the best plays, at least one a game. They should dig up some video on his teams. As a head coach we all know how it worked out, still think he would be an incredible OC again.
Trick plays are gimmics
See A-11. They rely on mistakes and stupidity… Not execution
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 19, 2009 1:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not a huge fan of the spread as a base offense
so most of what I like to do won’t apply to you.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 17, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions
here
This is what I’ve been trying to do… the last one is messed up, just carry the blocker over one guy
HERE
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Yeah, still not a fan
I don’t like having your QB in the shotgun so often. it makes it tougher to run the ball north-south and nearly all misdirection is horizontal. It limits what you can do and if you play a team better than you physically, you’re near screwed.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 17, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
my goal
is to put the zone read as vertical as possible, similar to that of Florida’s offense, that way we can muscle out a yard or two or three because the backfield is way more talented than the offensive line. Last year, the coaches ran an Ace Empty look and we got clobbered. The only solution was really in a wildcat, we have everything and all the athletes for it, just need coaching along the offensive line
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 17, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'd still be going from under center
You’re not asking QB’s to make too many reads and defenses in high school don’t do too many things to make it necessary to be in the shotgun. You don’t need to be back so you can get to your reads quicker so if you’re not getting a major benefit like that, why be in the shotgun, which will hurt your running game?
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
You need to watch some OC football
You get speed, and occasionally size. Ocean View is smack dab in the middle of Edison, Marina and Huntington Beach, we’re lucky to pick up scraps. We’re lucky we have the team built for a spread running game.
Now, you are right if the team has a decent QB, but the way I see it, why not make 11 players accountable for the defense instead of just having a middleman hand the ball off. Under center, you can’t be a running threat at QB UNLESS you run the flexbone, which I tried to install earlier, but didn’t work because the linemen have no clue what pulling is. Trapping is about as far as they can go…
Also, I don’t expect our QB’s to be Jeremiah Masoli reading interior and exterior exchanges, chipping, solo and duo read kinda guys, I just want them to figure out if they are blitzing and if they can see a number and some green. Nothing more than that.
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
One hopes
your players don’t read this board, as even without your name it should now be easy for them to figure out who you are, and you just completely called out your LBs. I realize they may not be the most talented players around, but as a former teacher I know there’s an art to phrasing negative comments to parents/in public.
Regardless, I know you’re a Bruin, and I wish you luck!
I guarentee you that they don't read it. But,
I value the advice. If I get the opportunity to really coach them, I’ll be fixing all of those holes.
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 18, 2009 7:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree
With Ryan, but I think it’s workable. Oregon is an excellent running team. If your backfield is talented enough, which you say it is, you can turn running into a read play with two options, QB and RB. You can turn blocking into an easy zone blocking scheme and just let your QB/RB run with the ball, reading the defense.
That said, a personal favorite play of mine is the play action fake with action to the strong side and WR/back flow to the strong side, then TE delays and goes back weak side on a post/drag/option route or whatever else you’d like. I’ve seen at the high school level TEs can pretty much get open at will.
by Captain Leebeard on Dec 17, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Some of my favorites
1) Having the RB (not someone as “fast” as Chane Moline) go out on wheel route (think Foster and Hicks) down the sideline
2) Loved what Bowden used to do with Dexter Cater in the FSU offense in early 90s. Have him line up wide or in the slot and find a way to get him in open spaces with the ball (Cleveland Browns did that with Eric Metcalf as well)
3) Lots of QB rollouts (with plays designed for TEs and FBs (think Tom Rathman with the Niners)).
4) Bootleg (if you have someone like Cade running your offense!), Also, love bootleg/option type of plays around the goall line designed for TEs.
Yep
The roll outs are the best way to spoonfeed QB’s which is exactly the business I’m in… Just wear your mouthpiece right?
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 18, 2009 7:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Any play will work as long as it is sound..the most important thing is that you are able to a) block it and b) teach it to the kids. it makes no sense to have a big playbook and not be able to implement it. No sense in adding extra fluff until you are able to get your base identity established.
just read the other comments..if you are a gun-zone team then i think the best thing you can add is something that also uses the same zone scheme = less teaching to the kids. also if your OL is not your strength you are going to want to keep things real simple. if you run zone read, install jet sweep and teach your QB/WRs to handle the exchange, you can run the same blocking scheme with different backfield action = most bang for your buck.
if you are an IZ team you can also install OZ relatively painlessly.
by jtthirtyfour on Dec 18, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks JT
I’m using Leach’s theory of: Why run 30 plays average when you can run 5 perfect.
I plan on using chip blocking for most plays because the OL can’t handle a high school 3-3-5 drift by themselves.
The Jet sweep is the set up play for Percy Harvin’s counter, and as you can see, there is a set up play and a counter.. Very high school’esque
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 18, 2009 7:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Best High School Offense with the Least Talent Ever?
The offenses created by Hal Mummee and his protoge, Mike Leach.
Just finished reading a great article on Leach. His offense was developed at the high school level at a place where Mummee’s teams did not have the deepest talent pool.
Simple and effective.
I know you know exactly what you are doing. But, if I were in your shoes, which I could not fill, I’d look to Leach.
sjh
I know we could find it
but if you have a link to or at least can point us to the source of the article, I’d like to read it, and I’m guessing ucla13_usc9 and many others would as well.
Article about Leach and Mummee
was in a Texas Monthly from around 3 or 4 months ago.
Mine was thrown out before I could read it but I caught up with it in my doctor’s office.
Here’s URL: http://www.texasmonthly.com/preview/2009-09-01/feature
It says you have to register to read — haven’t done that. But, if it doesn’t cost money, Leach fans will enjoy the read.
sjh
The Airraid is in the same vein as the veer…if you are in the LA area head out to the home depot center to watch de la salle venture south and their their system. Some of the best football i’ve ever seen, when they are clicking (havent seen them this year aside from clips of that espn game vs. lakeland (fla) but from what i hear they are on their game this season.
They are crisp and precise and you can really tell they put in a lot of work during the offseason and in weights – out of any team I’ve see they do the most with the least talent.
by jtthirtyfour on Dec 18, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
I really wish that I could run a Pass Happy offense
But we don’t have the QB or receiving core for it, just no talent. I do revolve the entire passing set around flood, smash, and most importantly Y-Stick though
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Don't underestimate your kids.
If a kid gets a chance and has a coach stick with him, pass-happy offenses can work.
I just watched Plant High win its third state championship in four years. Their coach came in 6 years ago, and up until then Plant was horrible. His seniors this year went 59-4. He ran a spread offense, featuring a quarterback who would spread it around and kids who could catch. I believe those characteristics can be taught. Pick a QB this year for next year, give him the ball, and tell him that he’s the next Peyton Manning. Give him routes that will give him some success. Get a fast kid who can sprint out.
Anyway, I think history has shown that Mike Leach got QB’s just like yours – just no talent, or at least no talent enough for Texas or OK or Texas A&M or TCU. But every year his not good enough QB’s do well.
Amd to put all that in perspective, I never played or coached and I don’t have the sound on when I watch football. I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express, however.
The story of Ocean View
From what I gathered before and during my attendance there, I realized these truths:
1. The old administration had a system: they were recruiting cream of the crop talent, mixing in H-Back sets consistently to exploit their "Tebow’esque" QB, and got to state playoffs often and could develop unshaped talent into good players.
2. Last year’s coaches were 50/50 in the sense that 2 of the 4 coaches had NO CLUE how to playcall, stay committed to the program, or just coach players into decent ball-players.
3. The current administration is 100% devoted into bring Ocean View back to CIF Championships. They know their priorities, and back each other up, myself included.
4. This is the final class that was brought in under the old administration:
A) the QB, who started as a sophomore is 5’8" and knows football just as well as anyone in the world, and has a 4.0 GPA; he is a captain, but needs to learn how to run north and south to truly fit into the offense.
B) The RB, who played QB Freshman year, is one of the most physical runners in the conference and has the raw talent to eventually play D-1 Ball. He is about 200 pounds and runs like the wind in the open field. He would be the starting running back in every situation.
C) The WR’s are poorly developed as of now, they never learned how to properly run routes and were criticized (not constructively) by the old coaches, never actually learning how to cut and catch.
D) The OL is held together with spit, and duct tape. I say this because none of the kids have been taught the correct technique or schemes involved in the offense, in 1 game last year, there were 8 false start penalties (they weren’t playing in Autzen BTW) and were constantly stepped on by either the coaches or fellow team mates. They have the raw talent to be vastly effective, but many are either not interested, or are crippled by poor development. I will continue to call them out until I can work with them one on one, because they are worthy of criticism.
As for the passing offense, it will take some drastic overhauls to patch together an offense, but so far, I’ve used simple concepts of Smash, Flood, Verts and Stick to piece together the offense. Stick, from what I’ve collected, is the easiest of all passing plays to run if you have a talented TE. I’ll be staying after practice with some scout teamer’s to get him ready for the stick play
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 18, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
goodluck first of all.
why dont you try running some unbalanced running plays. throw an extra tackle to the run side, god knows at ovhs you’ll need him. on that same note try running a qb power play, with the guard pulling and the running back as lead blockers. as far as pass plays, i’d stick to what los al does (or did, havent watched them lately) short three step passes and screens. but also agree with what you have, getting the qb to roll out.
why doesnt mr fairman coach at ocean view?
Fairman
haha how do you know about Fairman?! I’ve asked him before and he said he’s too busy with activities to devote a real commitment to the program. He would be perfect for the line coach though. Being in ASB, I discovered that he was just an absolute monster
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he is a monster.
i got to know him while he was coaching at huntington for a few years. he was a great oline coach, but it sounds like he has a lot on his table.
I'll see what I can do
i know that he wouldn’t want to run a spread offense. Back at EMU and Edison he didn’t know this newfangled stuff
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by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 19, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
JT what do you think?
I’m gonna try to make the misdirection veer from the spread to cut out fumbles, I’ll get back to you with the playbook.
For anyone still out there, I’ve copied every play from this video down so far
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Like I said, anything will work fine as long as you and the staff have confidence in it and are able to teach it/sell it to the kids. No point in “grab-bagging” plays and expanding your system just for the sake of it – just stick to what you know well enough to teach and stick to what meshes with your identity. I think that is the most important thing.
If anyone got a chance to see De La Salle play last night against Crenshaw, it was a thing of beauty (always is, watching De La Salle’s veer). They only have their handful but their OL knows what they have to do on every play and they get tremendous movement off the ball – even when they are outweighed by an average of about 50 lbs per body. Coach Lad has been running his system since the late 70s; their success comes because he and their staff understands it so well, not because they have brilliant plays. Times have changed and they’ve added a new wrinkle here and there but their base scheme has remained unchanged.
by jtthirtyfour on Dec 20, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I think you're missing the obvious, 13-9
(By the way, you should insist that you be called by your full moniker, or else you could be mistaken for Maxwell Smart.)
We all know an offensive system that will work every time. It’s a guaranteed success. Many Super Bowls were won with it. I rever of course to the West Coast Offense. And why not? You’re on the West Coast. You’re in charge of the offense. And we know it will work every time because CTS said so.
Just make sure you have a ready list of player’s names who you can quote to the paper as having screwed up the perfect offense. And make sure your punting team gets a lot of practice time.
Oops - I meant refer instead of rever.
Although we did revere that system.
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