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Bruins Put Up A Fight But Notre Dame Holds Serve In South Bend

Well the at least on the scoreboard the conventional wisdom turned out to be true. Notre Dame (now with a record of 10-2) held serve on their home court to beat the Bruins by a score of 84-73. Bruins now fall to a record of 3-7 with no chance of getting back to .500 before the start of the Pac-10 conference season.

For the Bruins there were some bright spots this afternoon. They came out on fire, shooting lights out on offense while playing classic Ben Ball defense on the other ends of the court. Our defense was suffocating early on as we were putting on vintage display of Howland defense with quick rotations, intense double teams while securing our rebounds. We were also getting our offense started with our intense defense. Things were working as we were in the lead late in the first half.

Then some of the old habits (by usual suspects) kicked on. Jerime Anderson turned the ball over in a careless possession that resulted in 4 point turn around. We also let Luke Harangody get confidence (after he missed his first shots) with a perfect execution via an inbound play. Late in the first half our defensive intensity just sagged off (and it was probably not a coincidence that it happened after Reeves Nelson had to sit down with 2 fouls) allowing Notre Dame to finish the half with a 40-36 lead.

In the second half, Notre Dame went on a run thanks to lazy defensive efforts from the entire team and the usual bricks from Nikola Dragovic on the offensive side. Dragovic had yet another pathetic game making only 4 out of his 12 shots and essentially shooting us out of the game early in the second half.  Thanks to a spectacular effort from Malcolm Lee, who had a career day with 29 points, 4 assists and 3 steals, Bruins made it close but it just wasn’t enough. Here is the box score and more thoughts after the jump.

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As mentioned above Malcolm Lee was easily the player of the game on our side. He did get some help from few other Bruins. Michael Roll did his part scoring 19 points with 4 assists and 2 steals. Although, I wish we had gotten a better effort from Roll on the defensive end. Reeves Nelson once again stood out as the defensive stalwart while chipping in with 11 points and 8 rebounds. Honeycutt as usual flashed his abilities for the time he got on the court, which included 3 rebounds on the offensive end.

I think on the whole the effort of our team was encouraging as they clearly built on the confidence building blowout against New Mexico State. They did show poise, composure and desire early on to start the game. However, they didn’t get it done at the end because of not being able to maintain their defensive intensity. 

Jerime Anderson’s effort was not encouraging but he is a sophomore.  Perhaps someday he will realize he needs to play within his athletic ability and not hurt his team with going for the spectacular play. As for Dragovic, there isn’t much to add to this point. Sure he got some rebounds and made some shots here and there, but the only thing consistent about him is how he continues to hurt our team with awful defensive effort, careless and unfocused plays on offense, and just horrific shooting in general. We are not going anywhere this season if Dragovic continues to waste minutes that could be allocated to other younger players with more talent and upside in the team. Not to mention Dragovic with his pathetic defensive effort continue to serve as a poor example of what a Ben Ball warrior should be performing on the court.

Anyway, as I said up top despite the loss, there were some positive signs in today’s loss. I can see a core emerging in this team around the leadership of Michael Roll and the natural talent and ability of Lee, Nelson and Honeycutt. I hope in the coming games Howland allows those guys – especially Honeycutt – give them bigger roles, while limiting the minutes of Dragovic and Anderson. With those guys leading the way at least the Bruins showed some fight in their first true road game of the season.

With that I will leave the analysis up to you. Fire up your thoughts in this post-game thread.  If you have extensive reflections to share please put them up in a separate fanpost. Enjoy your Saturday as best as you can despite the (not so unexpected) loss in South Bend.

GO BRUINS.

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It's a bummer

but like you said, Nestor, there are bright spots. I think this will be a very interesting season and will be more fun than I thought. I love seeing players develop and emerge and playmakers. Seeing Lee today gives me a lot of hope. GO BRUINS!!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Dec 19, 2009 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

The defensive laziness in the second half

makes so little sense to me. You saw what it can do when you play hard, you know you have to play hard to have any chance given your limitations, and you just fall asleep.

This kind of thing was very painful last year, but this year when we have absolutely nothing that can bail us out it’s just too much.

by bluebland on Dec 19, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Why should freshmen work hard

When they see seniors like Dragovic getting rewarded with huge mins despite awful defensive effort game after game.

by Nestor on Dec 19, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly!

shouldn’t have started JA and ND in the second half. TH should have been in for sure…

by BruinArts on Dec 19, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

As much as I hate Dragovic

You’re assuming the freshmen behind him (which is only Lane) are working harder in practice. How do we know this? It’s a fact that Dragovic sucks, but some of that is due to physical limits.

Lane has been totally lost on defense in games. That’s understandable, of course. But it’s not clear to me that Dragovic is replacing harder workers.

by bluebland on Dec 19, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't agree

If you practice hard but loaf during a game its cool?

Look, If Drago is practicing harder, than he deserves the shot to start. But if starts loafing, he needs to be benched for someone who isn’t going to loaf, even if they aren’t that great.

I will tell you this, you might like Lane’s defense, but he’s not gonna take 12 shots, because at least he KNOWS he’s not a great shooter.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 19, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant you might NOT like Lane's defense

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 19, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Dragovic's overall identity is coloring the way people perceive him

It’s not clear to me that he’s a loafer. It is clear that he doesn’t play nearly as well on defense as anyone else who has started under Howland prior to this year, and that combined with his psychological weakness (whereby he gets easily thrown off his game), slowness, and “gunslinger” appearance it’s easy to goat him all the way.

Nor do I think he’s taking too many shots. He’s MISSING too many shots, and a 25% shooter should ideally take zero shots, but if he’s supposed to be a good shooter most of the shots he takes are decent looks. It’s not like we have many offensive opportunities being sacrificed for his sake.

The problem will only be helped when:

1) Lee shoots consistently well enough to be a confident go-to guy
2) Honeycutt starts taking the mid-range jumper
3) Lane (who can potentially be a very good shooter) learns the defense and grows
4) Anderson pretends he’s alive

by bluebland on Dec 19, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

dragovic had some nice shooting games last year

But his career numbers don’t suggest he is anything but an average shooter .

His career 3 point field goal percentage is 33.1%

His career field goal percentage is a 39.8%

I don’t see the evidence of his being a good shooter, other than some games last year where he performed well. His overall percentages do not warrant his playing team if he is not a good defender, which he is not.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 19, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to say how good he is

He didn’t shoot well in spot time as a freshman and sophomore. He then was 8/39 on 3’s to start last season, before shooting 45.9% (on 3’s) up until Pac-10 play. This season he’s again started 8/39. I think it’s more accurate to say he’s streaky than just average. He’s certainly capable of hitting a bunch in a row from outside. If he does heat up during conference play, he would be very valuable.

by SuperBruinMan on Dec 19, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

He is inconsistant

Streaky just means you are inconsistent. The average of your streakiness should still tell you how good you are. And he is an average 3 point shooter and below average elsewhere. If he his play wins you five games and loses you five games, you don’t just count the five he won you when evaluating him.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 19, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

The question is, are his streaks our only hope?

If there were somebody who could defend well and be a serviceable threat on offense, Dragovic would warm the bench like he did his first two years. But we have nobody who can do that in his position, last year or now. Keefe, who was Howland’s big hope for last year, proved clumsy and lousy on both ends, which is the only reason Drag ever started in the first place.

The scapegoats for today’s game should be Anderson, who once again contributed nothing aside from some extremely costly turnovers and momentum-killers, and Bobo, who destroyed our team defense the moment he stepped in. Dragovic ranks third on our list of problems in my view.

by bluebland on Dec 19, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't see the game so I am not assigning blame

to anyone for this game. What I am saying is that playing hard in practice shouldn’t guarantee you the type of minutes Drago is getting if he isn’t playing well, and secondly Drago’s historical numbers do not support the belief that he is a good shooter.

I don’t know who "lost’ us this game, but I do know that Drago’s offense isn’t good enough for him to be taking the number of shots he takes, and his defense certainly shouldn’t be earning him any minutes.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 20, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

That depends on how good the team is
If he his play wins you five games and loses you five games, you don’t just count the five he won you when evaluating him.

If such a player is on a team that will win 90% of its games, then obviously he would be a huge liability and shouldn’t play. If the team was going to win 25% or so of those games, then he’s clearly a very valuable player to that team. If the team were good enough to challenge for the Pac-10 title, Dragovic probably would get a lot less playing time. As it is, Howland’s left hoping that Dragovic will heat up a bit. I certainly hope, though, that Lane will earn more playing time as the season progresses.

by SuperBruinMan on Dec 20, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with silverlake

Any Drago replacement may not play very good D or even show much knowledge of the defensive system…but that would not be any change from when Drago is in the game. Better to go with a young player who doesn’t play D well but might learn than a senior who doesn’t play D and hasn’t shown any signs of learning how to. You can’t teach an old Drago new tricks, I guess. :)

by KSBruin on Dec 20, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I tell you what

the replacement player isn’t going to shoot 12 times a game, and when you shoot below the team average in all but one of the games you have played this season (like drago has) insisting on having the first or second most shot attempts is insane.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 20, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

So then we have only 3 players on the court who can score?

I get that ND hasn’t been lighting it up on the court, and I know that you didn’t see the last game, but ND right now is the only viable scorer on this team other than ML, MR and RN. JA is scared to shoot as our the rest of the freshman. Even if ND doesn’t make his shots, it is necessary to have a fourth person out there that is at least a threat to shoot so that ML, MR, and RN can have enough space to get there shots off. Its already bad enough that we play 4 on 5 with JA, if you take ND away, we are now playing 3 on 5 with double teams on RN and ML. That is not a formula for success.

by bruinponcho on Dec 20, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

ND is in a shooting slump, plain and simple. Every player goes through it. He is an experienced player, he does give the team some length, he rebounds, is a decent passer, and is a threat. He isn’t playing confidently right now, but he is someone the opposition has to account for. He’ll turn it around. Outside of Honeycutt, there isn’t another option right now.

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by 11 Banners on Dec 20, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

He has been in a shooting "slump" for this entire career

except during a stretch of Pac-10 conference play last season.

by Nestor on Dec 20, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

ND might turn it around within the next 3 years. One of his potential replacements might turn it around within the next 3 years. One of those scenarios is much more likely to help us than the other.

by KSBruin on Dec 20, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

This was a winnable game,

but NOT leaving DRAGO to stink it up the majority of the time, and NOT with CBH trying to play slowdown, power basketball with a bigger, stronger team in the second half.

Lee and Roll were on fire the whole game, but CBH did not adjust to their strengths in the second half. We needed to play quicker on offense, setting up the threes for Lee or Roll, then quickly going down to Nelson if they were not open. Message to CBH: we are NOT a good half-court team, period.

Lee and Roll scored despite CBH’s offensive sets. We need to play up tempo, transition basketball and score more. We do not have the defensive stoppers to win low scoring games.

Great effort by the team. Tremendous hustle. More Honeycutt please.

Anderson is a spot player only, unfortunately. Use Hamid more with Lee as point guard mostly. He is proving to be a warrior.

by uclahy on Dec 19, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

When was CBH trying to play slow down, power basketball?

You sound like Gordon’s parents. You can’t play uptempo basketball when you’re not getting stops on defense. Our offense slowed down when our defense went away.

Formerly ryebreadraz

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 19, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a canard we will not hear the end of

any year we miss the final four, and particularly a losing year like this one. makes the whole thing even more painful.

by bluebland on Dec 19, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't mean that people get to trot out the same tired complaints

After being repeatedly debunked without people calling them on it. Even if we lose every game the rest of the year, the misinformed and myopic complaints about offense in games where we give up 80+ points aren’t going to be any less boring and tiresome (or any more correct).

by Tydides on Dec 19, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh and in the 2nd half

when we went to that slow down, power offense, we scored more points than we did in the first half.

Formerly ryebreadraz

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 19, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

If we are getting killed on the defensive boards,

which we were, you have to play more up tempo than the team that is killing you on the boards or you will never catch up, which we didn’t.

When the other team is beating you by 9-11 points and they’re maintaining the lead by slowing it down and playing power basketball or draining the three with the time clock going off, you don’t catch up by running your own sets until your clock is almost gone.

That’s what CBH did the second half, and that’s a FACT.

He needed to go to his hot hands, Lee and Roll, AND HE DID NOT. They scored on their own. They were not set up at all.

Even the commentators noted how few times Roll shot the ball even though he was shooting lights out. If CBH picks up the tempo and has Roll and Lee shoot threes early and often OR kick it quickly under to Nelson, it gives us a better chance to score. That’s all I’m saying.

by uclahy on Dec 19, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

So if your contention is about DEFENSIVE rebounding

Then how is offense supposed to fix that? Hey, maybe we should try not giving up the defensive rebound, which would obviate the need to score more points. The question you have to consider is whether it makes more sense to ask our team to hold the other team to the mid 70’s in points or to ask the same team which has demonstrated no ability to hit free throws or open shots, to score in the upper 80’s and “outgun” ND. The only logical gameplan is the first one, and that means it is DEFENSE that must improve.

Interesting that you say Lee and Roll were hot hands and weren’t involved. Here are some FACTS that you may enjoy.

1. Lee played all but three minutes in the game. If your contention is that CBH didn’t go to him because he was sitting, you are wrong.

2. Roll played all but three minutes in the game. If your contention is that CBH didn’t go to him because he was sitting, you are wrong.

3. Lee does not have a lightning quick first step. He often does require teammate assistance, whether it is a good pass or a pick from a teammate or player rotation away from his shooting sweet spot to give him a positional advantage. If your contention is that he scored on his own, you are wrong.

4. Roll has the same problem but even worse because his preferred spots on the floor are even more limited than Lee’s. If your contention is that he scored on his own, you are wrong.

5. Roll took 10 shots. Equivalent to 18% of our total attempts and third on the team in attempts behind notorious chucker Dragovic. If your contention is that he wasn’t given opportunities to shoot, it would appear that you are wrong.

6. Lee took 17 shots. Equivalent to 30% of our total attempts and first on the team. Looks like the two players that were hot hands got around 50% of the total attempts. When you factor out Dragobrick’s attempts, It’s Lee/Roll with 48% of the shots to the rest of the non Drago team with 32%. If your contention is that we did not feature our hot hands in this game with the exception of Dragovic, you are wrong.

7. We shot 49% from the field, and they shot 52% from the field. And you think offense is the problem? Please.

by Tydides on Dec 19, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Ty for being patient enough

to post this great response.

I’m too tired of hearing that rant to answer it, anymore.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 19, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

All these years, supposedly,

of you watching basketball, and you still make a comment like this? What the hell does up-tempo mean? Run to the other end as fast as you can and chuck up a quick shot in hopes of making more than the other team?

This is what you said:

When the other team is beating you by 9-11 points and they’re maintaining the lead by slowing it down and playing power basketball or draining the three with the time clock going off, you don’t catch up by running your own sets until your clock is almost gone.

If the other team is draining the three and has time to get back on defense, how the hell do you play up tempo? Wouldn’t it make more sense to, oh, I don’t know, play DEFENSE and then score on high probability shots at the other end?

Come on man, this up tempo business has got to stop, it is plain ridiculous now.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

yes offense isn't the problem

it’s definitely our defense. we need to dominate on D. we need to hold lesser teams to 30 points. and play D for 40 minutes from tip off to final buzzer with no let down!

by BruinArts on Dec 19, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

I was really loving the start of the game

Activity and movement…on the DEFENSIVE end. And then it sputtered and only showed up in brief spurts the rest of the way. I’m actually a little more frustrated knowing they have the ability but not the discipline at this point to sustain that effort.

by Tydides on Dec 19, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

It looked like we had the potential to shut down Harangody the way the team was playing D the first 12 mins or so of the game and the O was clicking. A disappointing loss for sure, but I’m getting kinda psyched about the possibilities down the road w/ Nelson, Honeycutt, and Lee.

by la-ukla on Dec 19, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I've always deferred to Howland's judgment....

and for the most part, I still do. I REALLY don’t understand why Drago gets so many minutes. His awful effort on defense, shoddy shooting, not to mention his off court issues all grate on my mind when I see him brick a long 3, then swipe at the ball flat footed on the other end. He’s not helping the team at all…

by MrGray on Dec 19, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions  

how can we dominate D?

JA, ND and MR can’t guard anyone straight up. I am all for playing ND and JA spot minutes at best. At the same time I am not sure anyone off the bench other than TH will be able to guard man-2-man adequately by the end of the year. MR has to play because he is necessary on offense. The reality is for me is that we can’t play man-2-man all game against any team with decent penetrating guards and wing players. Maybe even below decent. I can understand CBH’s reluctance to play zone and force his players to get it if only for next season. But I can’t buy into this argument when ND is out there 30+ minutes. Typically zone gives up more open 3’s, but given our ability to stay in front of guards it’s hard for me to imagine giving up more open shots than we have playing our man.

It would also have been nice in some of our blowouts to get some work in with a press of some kind. Today in a game we could have made a run in we clearly have no idea how to press. I bring up the ND allowing Harongody to catch a long pass over the top then failing completely to foul him. We can’t get into games when we are behind if we can’t lock down anyone on defense in a straight up man.

by Penny2i on Dec 19, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

Not that this is new

but u$c’s basketball attendance is just unbelievable. They are playing TN so I thought maybe there would be more. Embarassing.

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Dec 19, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

Actually

it filled up more now. UCLA’s attendance is better than theirs on the whole by far.

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Dec 19, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Encouraging start to the game

gives us some hope IMO. However, at about the 13 minute mark of the first half, you could see that our starters were already getting tired. It’s pretty obvious at this point of the season, we only two D1 caliber offensive players – ML & MR. Honeycutt and Nelson are showing they will also join that group but need more playing time to develop. On the defensive side of the ball, ML is doing his part but I don’t see anyone else who has the attitude/desire/skills to make sure his guy does not score or get an offensive rebound. Nelson has the body type and I believe will become a force at both ends of the court. And, Drago gets some rebounds but doesn’t stop anyone. The offensive rebound and put back by Harongody could have been avoided had either of our guards blocked him out. As far as Drago getting minutes, the only possible explanation I have is that Howland expects him to break out of his shooting slump. Morgan or Lane would add nothing offensively either at this point. And, they are both as much a defensive liability as Drago. However, as others have noted, I too would rather lose with Morgan, Lane, and even Moser getting minutes of experience than with Drago is giving in terms of his effort and results.

by kkucla on Dec 19, 2009 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

It starts and ends with the PG

It’s equivalent to the QB position on offense and the Free Safety on defense. JA is not getting it done on either side of the ball and, IMO, has been given ample opportunity to prove himself. If there was any sign of improvement, or even if he was giving his max effort out on the floor, I might be inclined to bite my lip and try to be more patient, but quite frankly, I’m just not seeing it with JA. Granted, we could be getting more production out of ND’s spot, but blaming him for all of our woes ignores the fact that we are a rudderless ship without a competent floor leader at the point.

by snorkeldorf on Dec 19, 2009 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

I agree

Anderson is a huge problem at the point. He is not agressive, never pushes the ball or even looks for a shot. It’s 4 on 5 basketball when the Bruins are on offense. The guy does not have to be guarded. All he does for this team is walk the up the court….slowly. ML should have the ball in his hands as much as possible. He should be running this team.

by LouisianaBruins on Dec 19, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And he clearly has no confidence in his outside shot.

He passed up numerous opportunities when he was open. Of course one might say that he was being a smart player, as he would have likely missed. Better to let ML or MR try instead.

by 84 on Dec 19, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

There was one point where JA was standing at the top of the key 3 point line and the defender was about six feet off of him. What does JA do, a half hearted pump fake then dribbles around for a few seconds and passes it around the perimeter. It is nearly impossible to play 28 minutes and only take 2 shots. As much as we question ND’s shot selection, at least he is willing to shoot. With JA, not only is he afraid to shoot, when he is in a position that he has to shoot, its not even close.

Even his breakaway layup that got blocked (and fouled) was super tentative and weak. He knew he was going to get blocked so he slowed down to get fouled. A confident player would go to the basket hard and go for the basket and the foul.

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point about bad PG

You’re right, snorkledorf, about the effect of having a substandard PG. The Bruins really started battling back when JA sat down and Lee and Roll were the guards—Lee was already having a great game, but when he became the primary ballhandler the Bruins went into attack mode, though they could never get it below six points.

JA is a backup, and it’s even unclear to me now if Hamid shouldn’t be pressuring him for that job.

Playing JA so many minutes when he’s going to be so ineffective is really hurting the team. More below, with poncho.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 19, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

JA just might be

the worst starting PG ever at UCLA since the days of John Wooden…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 21, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

with you

on not seeing the effort from JA. As much as we all bashed on Kevin Craft’s play last season (the 4-8 one), he clearly gave every ounce he had. I’m not seeing that from JA either.

by KSBruin on Dec 20, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

I mentioned this earlier in the year on the BN blog, that UCLA will only go as far as Jerime Anderson will take us. He is a virtual non-threat on offense, and the opponents recognize this. He drives the lane without any purpose, in comparison, the Irish’s PG created shots for others and hit his outside shots.

I don’t know if it is JA’s lack of raw athletic ability, basketball IQ, or mental makeup that is holding him back. Jordan Farmar, DC, and Russell Westbrook all took huge leaps from their freshman to sophomore years. I haven’t seen any improvement from JA. I know he was injured for the preseason, but that shouldn’t be an excuse for his mental approach to the game.

I think Mustafa can run the team better, what he lacks in athletic ability is compensated in experience and basketball IQ.

by UCLA Championships Made Here on Dec 19, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

I like MAH better too

People count him out because he wasn’t a highly regarded recruit, but I love the effort I’ve seen from the guy in Pauley this year. He reminds me of a less athletic RW. Meanwhile, JA has been given every opportunity this year and has very little to show for it.

Compare (from kenpom.com):

effective FG%
JA: 38.0
MAH: 53.8

assist/TO ratio:
JA: 1.43
MAH: 1.50

offensive rebound %
JA: 0.5
MAH: 1.9

defensive rebound %
JA: 6.8
MAH: 4.4

MAH has no recorded blocks or steals, so JA leads him in those two categories. However, I don’t believe anyone here would argue that JA has been an asset on the defensive end. JA also leads in FG% at a blazin’ 50%, since MAH has had only shot one and missed.

by gradstudentbruin on Dec 19, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

wow.

That makes a pretty clear case for what I was already inclined to believe.

by KSBruin on Dec 20, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

you do have to factor in at what point MAH is getting minutes

and the level of competition. If he is playing only when the game is out of reach, or only against backups, it will skew the numbers.

I don’t know if this is the case, but it is something to consider.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 20, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

You are right

He has been getting more minutes against lesser teams, so that is something to consider. He was very good in the two games where he got substantial minutes (Pepperdine and NM St.). JA, on the other hand, has had substantial minutes in every game, yet even against the lesser teams he didn’t look good.

by gradstudentbruin on Dec 20, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

ND can be a contributor

But only if he realizes that this team doesn’t need him to launch the 3 ball. He should stick to playing down low and taking his shot selection from only inside the arc. He can actually be effective offensively when he is going toward the hoop.

Defensively I really think there is no hope for him.

by 84 on Dec 19, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

He didn't make a single 3 today

All of his points came from inside 15 feet. The coaches will probably point this out to him, but he won’t understand.

by Sideout11 on Dec 19, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

If ND is going to play...

…he should be told that he is not to shoot outside of 10 feet. As much as I hated his overall performance, he did hit a couple of nifty shots down low. Maybe not allowing him to shoot outside will force him inside where he could be more of a force (and maybe he could also be a strong interior passer.

If Howland isn’t going to bench him, maybe he will at least change his role.

by Biglar on Dec 21, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

JA being in the lineup instead of TH is the problem, not ND

N, I know you have a special place in your heart for ND, but you cant blame everything that goes wrong on him. He did as good of job as could be expected against a 2 time all american and rebounded very well. I would like to see him much more on the post where he can use his size and touch much more effectively than he is shooting 3s right now. Besides, you really cant give his minutes to BL or JMM at this point who have yet to show that they can do anything with it.

That said, The main thing holding this team back is 1) solid offensive play, and 2) rebounding.

The wonderful thing is that the solution for both is the same: start TH in place of JA. ML goes for 29, MR goes for 19, and what does JA have, 1 point on 0-2 (including an airball by five feet) and 1-2 free throws. Hmm, which one doesn’t belong. Conversely, TH is a prototypical small forward who is a great rebounder. Remember, he played center in high school which shows with his craftiness around the rim. TH is also the perfect compliment to RN in that as much of a workhorse RN is, he is undersized. But with TH playing in the frontcourt alongside RN and ND, we suddenly become much longer and athletic. Plus, this will help out MR so he won’t be guarding someone much larger than him.

The other major issue is that our weakside rotations are awful. Sure MR is going to get beat off the dribble, but everyone does. The problem is that the rotations after someone penetrates are either too slow or non-existent leading to easy layups. This was the one thing that JK did bring to the table and without him there it is very noticeable. RN is getting better at this and got screwed on a couple of charge/block calls today. I really don’t know what to say about JMM. He is pathetically weak at rebounding and has a one track mind on offense. However, he does provide some of that weakside defense, so he has value. But until he learns to boxout, he is much more harm than he is good right now.

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff poncho

Here is the thing. If JA keeps playing the same he has been in his senior year, he will also carve out a special place in my heart ala Dragobrick.

by Nestor on Dec 19, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Now that is a scary thought, having JA play like this as the UCLA starting point guard until February 2012 (we won’t be playing in March with current JA).

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

A Little Generous towards ND

I agree with everything, starting with strong support of the idea that the problem is more JA than ND.

It has been obvious for a long time now that JA wasn’t close to getting the job done. But what’s new to the mix is TH’s addition to the roster. The abundant minutes that JA is taking away from TH are a critical problem.

It’s obvious now that ML and MR are very solid players. TH is ready to join that group, and just needs the minutes. RN is already there as well. He’s going to make mistakes and he is still missing the occasional gimme, but he gets the ball in the basket most of the time.

So that’s four solid players. And JA would be okay as a backup. It’s a bit odd that he’s got such a lock on the job, especially after so many weak games already. Again, Roll and Lee are obvious, and Honeycutt is a top recruit, who would have been well ahead of Nelson if he hadn’t been hurt.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 19, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

As I said above

he may be the worst starting PG at UCLA since the days of John Wooden. Yes, it bears repeating.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 21, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

I have to think TH will start by Pac-10 games. He has to. I don’t see any reasonable arguments against it.

by Nestor on Dec 19, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm hoping

that the reason TH is not starting is because he is still getting his conditioning and timing back.

But doesn’t it seem like CBH is strangely committed to playing JA. Maybe because of the success of JF and DC (I’m leaving RW out of this because of his aggressiveness), Howland thinks that we need a pass first point guard to run the offense effectively? I think this goes back to his stubbornness, because the system he uses doesn’t call for an aggressive, high-scoring pg like Lee is.

by Sideout11 on Dec 19, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

JF and DC were scorers though

I get what you are saying in that CBH likes pgs who can slow things down and run the offense, but DC and especially JF were dynamic scorers. On the first final four team, JF was the go to scorer much like ML looks to be becoming on this team. DC was a little more structured than JF, but he could still score whenever he wanted to. With JA, its not that he is a pass first point guard, the problem is he is a pass first, dribble second, pick up dribble third, pump fake fourth, throw bad pass fifth. He literally did not look for a shot the entire game and I have to believe he didn’t look at the basket on that airball either because there is no way to overshoot a ten foot runner by five feet if you are looking at the rim.

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Not worthy of comparison

JA has done absolutely nothing to show that he can be compared to the rather amazing corps of Bruin PGs in recent memory, who are all doing very well in the NBA, btw. Maybe we need to accept just how extraordinary the run of PGs has been, including of course 4 years from DC.

The thing is, the Bruins have a player who appears to be comparable to JF, DC, RW (and even the unfortunate Jrue) in Malcolm Lee.

Perhaps the best-case version of JA could be compared to Cameron Dollar, who was heady, tough, physical, and a backup to Tyus Edney. But JA didn’t contribute as a freshman, and is now underperforming as a sophomore.

I just don’t understand how he has gotten such a lock on the job.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 19, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Theories behind JA's lock on the job

Although I don’t agree with any of these reasons, here are the possible justifications for JA starting and getting such extensive minutes.

1. CBH doesn’t want to destroy JA’s confidence as he is only a sophomore and will be needed to be a contributor for the next 2+ years.

2. JA has a better control of the ball and offense than ML.

3. ML is more of a scorer than a passer, which could inhibit the rest of the team. ( I don’t buy this one at all)

4. TH doesn’t understand CBH’s system well enough yet. (TH is definitely in good enough condition, so the only reason to limit his minutes is mental)

5. CBH is ready to move TH into the starting lineup and JA to the bench, but with DG leaving and JK hurt, we are so thin up front that CBH thinks that playing small gives him the best chance to win.

Of these, I think option 5 is the most likely. Hopefully TH will start soon and we wont have to wait for JK to come back in 3 weeks to see the lineup changed.

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't buy #2 either

If Howland thinks that then he just might be crazy.

And comparing JA to JF and DC, I didn’t mean to imply that the latter 2 weren’t scorers. They could get their shot whenever they wanted, but as you said both were more methodical with the offense and didn’t make their move until the shot clock was winding down.

Although he could, I don’t see ML being the type of player to work the ball around for 20 seconds because that just isn’t his game. In fact, it would hurt him to do so because he is at his best when he is aggressive and attacking his man. If I had to pick a reason why CHB is sticking with JA it would be this, to let ML be the aggressive, scoring 2 guard. Unfortunately, it just doesn’t seem to be working out.

by Sideout11 on Dec 19, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

#2?

Per kenpom.com, JA’s turnover rate: 31.9. ML’s: 12.4. I realize that many of ML’s minutes have not come at the point, but on the entire team, only JK and MM have a higher TO rate. (MAH’s is 27.0.)

by KSBruin on Dec 20, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

yes

The only scenario with TH not starting imo is due to injury. That being said I still like giving Nelson a break having to guard centers my bringing in JMM. Again we need to hide him more in zone, but so be it. Nelson should not be battling centers every minute he is in there.

by Penny2i on Dec 19, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Nelson and JMM

This is another thing—we’re never seeing these two play together. Not that I think JMM is close to being effective, but wouldn’t we rather see him sub in early for ND, leaving Nelson out on the floor?

RN is going to get in foul trouble guarding much bigger guys too. Let the other guys pick up the fouls.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 19, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

During the game I was just wishing, if only

Reeves Nelson had Bobo’s height, can you imagine how much he would dominate. Or if Bobo had Nelson’s heart. Quick question, if MLee keeps this up, will he leave early too?

by UCLA Championships Made Here on Dec 19, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

I was thinking the same thing about ML.. the last 2 games he has come into his own for sure.. oh no!

by Penny2i on Dec 19, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Drago - Difference Between This Year and Last...

1) Legal stuff
2) Ball movement, specifically piss-poor PG play

Jerime Anderson is the main reason we’re failing. The sooner this is realized, the sooner we can fix the problem.

UCLA Football, please make the switch to black cleats

by Fauxshow on Dec 19, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

Legal stuff

Drago’s had it nearly every single year here, whether it’s with the law or the NCAA…

by nickramz on Dec 19, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a pretty ignorant comment

The NCAA “legal stuff” as a freshman was regarding a bogus rule that ND had no control over. His sophomore year, no issues. His junior year, a dropped charge. This year, we still don’t know what did happen or what will happen. Please don’t make ignorant comments like this in the future.

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He may be factually incorrect

but he is thematically correct. The guys got charged twice while a bruin, once for violence against his girlfriend. The charge wasn’t exactly dropped, as it can be reopened if he gets in trouble with the law again, which he managed to do this year.

Forgetting my criticisms of his game, I don’t like players who bring shame to the University like Drago has by not being able to stay away from getting charged with battery.

I was not in favor of reinstating him after his second misstep this year.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 20, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Except that your facts are also incorrect

The charge was indeed dropped. It can be reopened if new information about the charge emerges, not just general information about ND being a bad person. Good for you though in making clear where you stand with regards to ND.

by bruinponcho on Dec 20, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually I think you're both factually wrong

Charges were never dropped against ND because charges were never filed. He was arrested, but no criminal case was ever filed in court against him for the domestic violence. The DA’s office could still file charges at any point in time up the statute of limitations on the crime (which for a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations has already run as the DA’s office only has 1 year to file).

by BruinJD on Dec 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter

“Nice guys” don’t get arrested for domestic battery. They also don’t beat people up at concerts. They avoid trouble. Whether the legal system convicted him is irrelevant. Innocent until proven guilty is just a legal concept. Howland would have been well within his rights to toss him out of the program after his first brush with the law (and he should have). He has brought shame upon the program. The last thing I want is for this program to become known for the bad behavior of its players.

by Biglar on Dec 21, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Meanwhile, the $UCsters are handing the Vols their hats so far

behind 5th year senior, double-transfer, Mike Gerrity at PG. He wasn’t supposed to be eligible until the start of the 2nd semester, but he was just granted a waiver by the NCAA due to “progress towards a degree.” 40-24 Trojies, 15:58 remaining in the 2nd half.

by snorkeldorf on Dec 19, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Gerrity

He’s only 23, but could easily pass for 35.

by snorkeldorf on Dec 19, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Tenn under Pearl are the least reliable team in America

They can lose to anybody, anytime, and it’s always been that way under Pearl’s no-defense, up-and-down-and-round-and-round style of play.

by bluebland on Dec 19, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

Howland's Dilemma and some other thoughts.

If you pull ND where do you get his rebounds? He tied RN with 8, today. He is banging inside. Agree on his shooting and some about his D. But, he’s not the only guy who consistently gets beat on the dribble.

I see no dilemma with JA. I’d start ML, MR, TH and RN. If we had JK, I’d start him and that would be 5. But, we don’t. So, the 5th seems to be ND.

Lane really hasn’t done much — he really needs to gain some weight before he will be effective. As much as I love Bobo, he needs work, too. Today, it was noticeable how slow he is going from one end of the floor to the other. I remember that he grew up with severe leg problems. I wonder if this is a remnant of that time. He clearly wants to play well and did some good things on D. But, surprisingly, he didn’t grab a rebound.

I think it’s hard to blame our inside guys, including ND when he is inside, for playing bad D. We have guys getting beat badly on the drive and guys like Bobo have to move over to pick them up, leaving their men open — or us vulnerable for passes back out for open 3’s.

We are really slow. It hurts.

I didn’t get into the discussion of speeding up the offense upthread — Ty and others handled it well, and I’m so sick of it. Our O is keyed to our D and rebounding. So is the O of most teams. Want to get out and run, you need the ball to do that. Hard to run in a half court game created when the only time we get the ball is when it is handed to us after they score. All of you who want up tempo running, explain how you will do it in a half court game.

Those of you who want to focus all the failure on ND — tell me who you will play in his stead that will consistently lead our team in rebounds. We are so weak there, already that taking him out in favor of lane or Bobo will really not help.

And, we need to make FT’s. 52% won’t do it.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 19, 2009 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

Agree with everything 66

Its easy to criticize and call ND names since he is an easy target with his on and off court troubles. But the fallacy of saying “no ND” is that someone has to take his place. Without JK, there is no viable alternative to replacing ND. I hope that ND embraces his role as power forward and keeps with the low post and midrange game rather than the perimeter game that has failed him. Either way, he is going to continue to get significant minutes because he deserves them and brings more to the court than the alternatives (BL, JMM, JK). The sooner people become at peace with this fact, the sooner we can start analyzing the team more rationally (ND is not responsible for every easy basket inside guys, RN gets beat quite often too) as opposed to making ND the convenient scapegoat for this season.

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Turn the big man rotation upside down

I think that Lane can fill the slot. I like the way he looks on the court. He seems to have good length and some touch. But we haven’t seen very much. It’s been a strange year, with the Gordon debacle, ND’s shooting woes and off-court issue, and now Keefe’s injury. Especially given the losing record, it seems like you would try playing the top recruits first. It’s too bad that Lane and JMM didn’t get more minutes in the early season, which is when that’s supposed to happen. And that’s when ND’s poor effort, and especially his poor shooting, should have sent him to the bottom of the rotation, forced to work his way back up.

I agree that it seems like ND is the only choice, but his missed shots in the beginning of the second half show just how bad the problem can be. The Bruins have four solid players right now, two of them freshmen. With Keefe out, Lane should get a chance to be the 5th guy. And RN should have a chance to play alongside JMM too.

The ML-MR-TH-RN-BL lineup was on the floor together for about 15 seconds in the second half, at least.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 19, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

generally agreed....

Seems like TH is clearly going to claim a starting spot through the season. But from what little we have seen from BL – and from what larger amount we have seen from JMM – neither of them are making a convincing case for more playing time. So we can’t really remove both JA and ND.

CBH used to play super-small in his first head coaching gig; but had a roster of 3-point shooters. We don’t have the outside shooting to go that small, and I suspect TH would NOT be well suited to banging with power forwards (while he has the game to be a great small forward). By default we seem to end up with a lineup that features ND inside, until JK provides a viable option, or JMM improves his fitness/defense dramatically.

by britishbruin on Dec 19, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

starting five

ML- PG, MR – SG, TH – SF, RN – PF, JMM -C

Granted, JMM looks lost but if we play slow…. JA has not shown the ability to stay in FRONT of a guard on defense. NDs offense is gone. ND and JA should get minutes of relief play. and BL too. Once JK comes back, he should be the starter in place of JMM.

What do you think?

by likasahente on Dec 19, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Who is your backup center until Keefe returns

That is a very risky line-up giving our lack of depth. If it’s RN with ND coming in at the 4 then that puts Nelson in serious foul trouble almost every game.

Also, RN still doesn’t have much of a face-up game, so that means he and Bobo are operating in the same space on offense.

by Sideout11 on Dec 19, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at our roster and SUC’s. We have Keefe, Bobo, Reeves, we had Gordon etc…
They have Nikola Vucevic and that’s it. He was essentially guaranteed to start and I agree that he definitely could have started for us but he would have had to earn it. We are a lot deeper in the front court then they are and my guess is that’s why he chose SUC

by blueandgold100 on Dec 19, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

He saw greater opportunity to play there

and CBH didn’t make much of a push for him. He liked the freshman he was bringing in and thought highly of Bobo and Gordon so he wasn’t even sure he wanted Stephenson. He thought it best to not use another scholarship on a big guy.

Formerly ryebreadraz

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 19, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

and UMASS just takes the lead on Memphis

a wild play to go ahead 73-72 with .3 left

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Dec 19, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

Hi there, I got home yesterday actually.

I just watched the ponies win a tune-up down at occidental after watching the UCLA game. Finals ended Thursday, so we’re home.

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Dec 19, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I recorded the game, which was beneficial.

It was beneficial because I was able to fast forward to the end after watching Drago personally blow 5, yes 5, offensive possessions in a row during the early minutes of the second half. Did he blow more? I don’t know. The fact that he wasn’t out of the game after his third poor shot, in 3 offensive possessions in a row is amazing to me. How does he help this team? How? I would love for someone to explain why he is getting ANY minutes, let alone the 18-20 that people think he somehow deserves. Why is this kid taking shots, when he cant hit a 10 foot jumper. Let alone, 5 in a row. Basically, what does Howland see in this young man?

  However, his worst play of the game came when he slapped Notre Dame’s Neanderthal Center on the arm expecting a foul to be called. The Neanderthal was cherry picking and Drago pursued, arm slapped then threw his hand up in the air as the Neanderthal dunked. Drago just gave up on the play and watched the dunk, whining about a no call on his foul. He literally deserves no minutes for that effort. Yes we were down by 8,but that was before the malcom lee 5 point fiasco with about 45 seconds remainiing. That would have put us within 3.

Sorry, I have just had enough of this guy. He clearly does not deserve to be on the floor!

by bruinbrah on Dec 19, 2009 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

the good news about dragovic

Is that by going 4 for 12, he actually raised his field goal percentage from the season.

He came in shooting 25.4% from the field

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 19, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

the serbian wonder

I understand that he gets rebounds… its just my opinion that if you put someone else in there…theyd get the rebounds too.. i mean he literally takes them from nelson half of the time… I just cant handle his bad defense and his horrible passes. He didnt bother me as much last year.. but he doesnt have his shot. I cringe when someone makes a three bc in the back of my mind i just see him chucking up one “because someone else did” well drago thats probably bc they look at the rim and not the ball… I just cant handle him chewing up minutes bc even when hes not screwing up hes not doing anything good

On JA, I dont hate him but hes not a PG. He has no vision of what is actually happening on the court…. IE when he passed to TH (if you can call it that) and left him hanging. I think he knows its going bad and he has even less confidence. I just cant handle this after so many years with the wonder DC is 90+% freethrow shooting and his last second tear drop shots. We need a leader and we dont have one in JA

by millikinbruin on Dec 19, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions  

We have 3 leaders evolving

MR — steady with integrity. Roll is a role player and a role model. How about that sentence?

ML — passion leader.

RN — work ethic and competition leader.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 19, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone Else Uncomfortable with the Nasty Name Calling and Tone of Discussion on ND?

Or am I just a Geezer with an outdated sense of propriety?

I find “the serbian wonder” to be offensive, and I’m not easily offended.

Place of origin has no place in this discussion just as race or religion would not.

Fire away and be critical about his game. He has some strong defenders here and the dialogue has been constructive.

But, I think we are getting very close to crossing the line in the way we label him. We are bigger than that.

sjh

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 19, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You aren't alone

I don’t participate in the in-game threads (usually because I’m at the home games), but I glanced through those today after the game and really was embarrassed by some of the comments on there. I know we all get frustrated at times, but the outright vilification of ND by some (many) on here has really left a bad taste in my mouth. I love this blog and enjoy the lively and intelligent discussions on here, its a shame to see when things start to get tough that we resort to immature name calling.

If you do not think that ND or JA or JK or CBH or anyone else is getting the job done, fine. But please 1) Actually have something to support your opinion rather than a one line grammatically incorrect post; and 2) Do so in a respectful manner. I know this is not my blog, but I think this is consistent with BN’s goals and purposes.

by bruinponcho on Dec 19, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

And you’re right. I can honestly say though that I did not mean it to be any type of racial slur in the slightest and I feel terrible that it came off that way. My main problem with dragovic
has nothing to do with that or with any type of charcter flaws people may bw
trying to find it him. My frustrations come from seeing him improve last year and not expecting the type of play I’ve seen from him this year.

by millikinbruin on Dec 20, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

More UCLA Political Correctness

If Drago was playing well, and someone called him “The Serbian Wonder”, would that be offensive? Is he not Serbian? Would he object to being called Serbian? I think not. In this case “Serbian” is just a descriptive term, not derogatory. “Wonder” is the derogatory term (or at least facetious). Let’s quit trying to find reasons to be offended. And get over yourself.

by Biglar on Dec 21, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I see some positives...

I thought the Bruins fought hard, exhibited some composure, executed their offense and played a solid game in defeat. I understand there are no moral victories accepted in Westwood, but there was nothing wrong with their effort. UCLA just missed some point blank looks, had some issues keeping ND off the offensive glass and, most glaringly, showed some huge lapses on the defensive end.

As much as the posters want to talk about the inefficiencies of JA, ND, etc the issue that has reared its ugly head this year and for the majority of last year is the defense. Perhaps we in BN got spoiled by the tenacity and hyper-athleticism of LRMAM and RW and fooled into thinking their success was due in large part to CBH scheme, when it now appears it was the other way around.

The team has some good players. The overall talent level might be down from the past couple seasons, but it’s extremely hard to expect an unproven crop of players to gel and all reach their potential at the same time. Everyone expect growing pains this year. The losses to Portland and to the Cal States were unexpected, but, seriously, not too many rational folks thought this team was a national contender or even a viable threat to win the conference. UCLA is what it is this year. I think the team is playing to it’s ability right now. The Bruins have a high ceiling, but the inconsitencies they show on a regular basis will keep them from reeling off a long winning streak. Hope the team cang hang tough, win these next four at home, get to 7-7, 2-0 in conference, exhale and then allow the rest of the year to play out.

Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.

by 11 Banners on Dec 20, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

Please Bruin Fans... I beg of thee...

We, UCLA, are the HIGH THRONE of NCAA Division 1 Men’s Basketball. (Ok, Lexington says the same thing).

But who else may lay claim to REGAL SPLENDOR? Kansas? The House That Dean Built? Have we knighted Coach K’s Blue Devils? My point…

In light of WHO WE ARE… please don’t fall into the subtle trap of praising losses. Please refrain from cheering the test score of 67, just because we use to score in the low 30’s before. Guess what? 67 and BELOW are all the same: LESS THAN A C-, NO UNITS EARNED!

Brothers and Sisters, when it comes to Men’s Basketball, like it or not, UCLA is on a P/NP basis. Let me remind you that a P is a win. A NP is a loss.

Notre Dame is our ARCH ENEMY because of they ruined our Divine WINNING STREAK. (Plus Diggers INDIGNANT Attitude! Even our resident Professor 66 couldn’t restrain his motion yesterday at just the mention of Coach Phelps. THAT alone should tell you something about OUR place and what South Bend means to us.)

This my friends, is the FUN of UCLA Basketball. Winning. Winning is fun. Not winning? Sackcloth and ashes. Fasting. Mourning. Deep mourning should losses persist. That blow out win earlier this week was Fun. But obviously meaningless. If we couldn’t take that win, and ride that emotional wave into SOUTH BEND (home of our GREATEST FOE east of the University of South Central), and get back on that airplane with a P, then for shame.

Ben Howland IS NOT going to trick me with all his excuse making to ever praise, or worse… find GLORY in a loss. Perish the thought! I look forward to critiquing WINS. That’s what royalty does. UCLA Basketball is royalty. Thank you, Coach Wooden.

by Bruins78 on Dec 20, 2009 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

I agree WITH some of what YOU said

IT would be WONDERFUL to see undefeated seasons every YEAR. I would enjoy THAT immensely. It would be NICE if COACH Howland could MAKE that happen. This year we already know it IS not going to. With the EXCEPTION of some drive-by POSTERS, and some that NESTOR has the good sense TO ban, the Bruins WHO contribute to this SITE usually offer some SORT of thoughtful reaction to WHATEVER has been happening in a game/season. Many EVEN share strategies that THEY think would be helpful to the TEAM, even if OTHERS disagree. To say simply WE SHOULD WIN BECAUSE I SAID SO without contributing anything in any of your POSTS other than WE SHOULD WIN doesn’t really do MUCH to add to the DISCUSSION.

by KSBruin on Dec 20, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Very well put.

Although we should not expect to make the final four or win the championship every year, a winning season is another story. No reason, short of the entire team dying in a plane crash, should excuse our program from winning more than we lose. Enough excuses coach. Get it done. We bball fanatics for life can see the obvious deficiencies of this squad, and so should you. Now make the changes!!!

Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87

by kingslook on Dec 20, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

a pessimistic assesment of Howland

Howland rebuilt respectability at UCLA very quickly
and has now overseen its departure just as quickly.

The losses to this point this year are as bad or worse than anything Lavin concocted,
and a 10 win season looks optimistic,
which is coincidentally the # of wins Lavin accumulated in his last season.

Howland’s stubborn adherence to his system was his strength as a coach
at schools like Pitt & N.A where getting to the NCAA tournament was an accomplishment,
but it is also the reason HE lost the Memphis game.
Look at how the talent on that UCLA team is performing in the NBA
versus the Memphis grads and the evidence is in that UCLA had the superior talent overall,
but failed to utilize it appropriately.
Even when Collison had to sit and Howland was forced to play a taller line-up
that matched up very effectively with Memphis defensively,
Howland stuck to his guns,
brought Collison back in, and the rest is history.
I remember remarking to fellow Bruins fans after that game
that it would interesting to see if Howland learned from that experience.

Clearly, he has not.
Howland’s failure to adjust to the reality on the ground
is also the reason the UCLA BBall program is in shambles just two short years later.
Howland has not adjusted his system to fit the reality of coaching the NBA ready players
that are requisite to compete for national championships.
Elite players need to be showcased as much as they need to be coached,
and the word on the street is that Howland does not do that.

The Love family felt that they had been promised one thing and delivered another
by Howland, and were publicly unhappy about it.
And you can dis Jrue Holiday and Drew Gordon all you want,
but the fact that Howland’s own recruits are abandoning him and UCLA
means that he is failing to find elite players willing to fit into his system.
So it doesn’t matter how good the system is in theory,
or that it worked over a short stretch with an exceptional collection of players
(recruited notably before the “no showcase” tag got stuck on the program)
it is NOT working in practice now with the talent Howland has been able to gather,
nor does it seem likely to anytime soon.

I think Howland HAD a real opportunity to build something amazing at UCLA,
and he brought a discipline and defensive ferocity that was a joy to watch while it lasted.
There is of course the unlikely chance that he will have a realization
in the face of what is going to be an extremely painful season,
but even if he does, it’s going to be a real struggle to undo the negative perceptions.

I will be highly surprised to see Howland turn this thing around,
this year, next or ever,
but if he does I’ll be the first to come on here and say I was wrong.

GO BRUINS!!!

by dervish on Dec 20, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions  

You are way off base

and rather ungrateful.

And you joined a week ago so that you could spew this nonsense? Funny, I didn’t hear anything from you after that “telltale” Memphis loss.

Do you think Howland is the first coach to misjudge a couple of “elite” recruits? It happens at every program.

The great thing about Howland is that he’s not out to please you. He is out to build a program focused on hard work and discipline, and by all accounts the players he has sent to the NBA have the right stuff thanks to what they learned from him.

I am glad that Holiday and Gordon are gone from the program. One thought he had it made and put in no effort, while the other was a disrespectful hothead. These are not “elite” qualities. Perhaps Howland missed the signs but based on how they were recruited, it seems every other school did too.

The irony is that you contradict yourself, by saying that he was able to recruit an exceptional collection of players…oh but now, there’s a “no showcase” tag on the program? If so, then GOOD. I don’t want those types of players. Clearly we need them, but I’d rather take the Kevin Love type, the type who respects the program, than the Holiday type. And I’m sure that the Love family is really distraught over their son’s NBA career because Howland [rolls eyes]…

Your lack of support, your lack of gratitude and your lack of patience are exactly the reason why UCLA basketball fans are portrayed as “unreasonable”.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 21, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

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