Does Ben Howland's Current Rotation Give UCLA Best Chance To Win?
bruinponcho wrote in our Notre Dame post game thread:
The main thing holding this team back is 1) solid offensive play, and 2) rebounding.
The wonderful thing is that the solution for both is the same: start TH in place of JA. ML goes for 29, MR goes for 19, and what does JA have, 1 point on 0-2 (including an airball by five feet) and 1-2 free throws. Hmm, which one doesn’t belong. Conversely, TH is a prototypical small forward who is a great rebounder. Remember, he played center in high school which shows with his craftiness around the rim. TH is also the perfect compliment to RN in that as much of a workhorse RN is, he is undersized. But with TH playing in the frontcourt alongside RN and ND, we suddenly become much longer and athletic. Plus, this will help out MR so he won’t be guarding someone much larger than him.
The other major issue is that our weakside rotations are awful. Sure MR is going to get beat off the dribble, but everyone does. The problem is that the rotations after someone penetrates are either too slow or non-existent leading to easy layups. This was the one thing that JK did bring to the table and without him there it is very noticeable. RN is getting better at this and got screwed on a couple of charge/block calls today.
I just want to zero in on point number 1 for now. I really think Coach Ben Howland owes more than a standard coachspeak explanation to the UCLA basketball community about his inexplicable but predictable rotation at this point of the season.
Right now from what I see (and I think majority here will agree with me on this point) we have 2 potential NBA talents on our roster. No, they are nowhere ready to play at the next level but if they do live up to their athletic potential Malcolm Lee and Tyler Honeycutt have a very good chance to join other Ben Ball warriors representing the four letters in the NBA. So, wouldn't it make more sense if Coach Howland shaped his rotation that optimized their minutes on the court? Instead, during the Notre Dame game on Saturday, we saw Honeycutt's minutes go down from his previous outing earlier in the week (TH logged 18 mins against Irish while putting on a show during 22 mins against the Aggies).
Despite the due criticisms we have directed towards Dragovic (who did shoot us out of the game early in the second half against Notre Dame), it's our point guard position currently handicapping our offense and not doing much to jump start our defense. Jerime Anderson might turn out to be a serviceable Pac-10 point guard some day but he is not getting it done. Wouldn't it make sense for our team if Howland has Malcolm Lee running our point, move Roll to the SG spot and slide Honeycutt to the 3? Wouldn't it make sense if that change is done during next couple of games so that the team is ready with that rotation by the time Pac-10 games started?
We have seen over the years how Coach Howland doesn't waste much time to take out his freshmen if they make any little mistakes on either end of the court. I don't understand how he doesn't treat his more experienced players the same way when they are making the same glaring, careless mistakes over and over again. I think it might make sense for Howland to cut down Anderson's mins to 15-20 mins a game and have him come off the bench to see what is going on and how Howland wants the game to be played. Yet, we are seeing in numerous occassion Howland keep calling on Anderson, who is committing the same mistakes over and over again.
So what gives? Is what Howland doing with his current rotation the best chance to win? Does having Jerime Anderson for almost 29 minutes on basketball court give UCLA basketball to best chance to win and build towards a foundation building season from here on out? I realize the title of this post is somewhat provocative. I do think Coach Ben Howland is always playing to win. I will not doubt his intentions. However, the current rotation is still not making any sense.
GO BRUINS.
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Agree Anderson is a non-factor right now
But except for his scoring, he’s improving in my opinion. I think Howland’s making the right move keeping JA in and getting him the seasoning. Hopefully it pans out in the Pac-10 but yes he indeed has a long way to go. ML’s seems to be settling into the SG position and while I like TH and his potential, I don’t believe he scored any points yesterday.
by RealisticBruinFan on Dec 20, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions
Holding CBH accountable
I have never been one to criticize CBH for things that he cannot control. In games against Fullerton and Miss. St., there really was nothing he could do better as a coach to get the team to collectively shoot better. I also have never been one to criticize players who are 18, 19, and 20 year old kids trying their best to play basketball, unfortunately sometimes they fall short of our expectations.
Having said that, I think it is entirely fair to hold CBH accountable for things that he can control. Unlike his players, CBH is an adult who is paid very well to do his job. While he cant magically make his players shoot better, he does have complete control over the most important thing: allocation of minutes and in-game strategy (the strategy issue is a tired argument and a topic for another day).
To answer your question N, CBH’s minute allocation right now does not in my opinion, give this team the best chance to win. I said it after the first game and will never stop saying it, this team is going nowhere with JA at starting point guard. As I stated above, I don’t hold this against JA nor do I have any ill will towards him. Who I hold accountable for this is CBH who has put JA and the team in a position where they cannot be successful.
Although I obviously do not speak for CBH, here is my best understanding of playing JA so much and not starting TH. With DG gone and JK hurt, we are suddenly very inexperienced and thin up front (hence why ND for all his faults is going to continue to keep significant minutes all season). Because of this, CBH doesn’t want to start TH and leave only BL and JMM to come in off the bench. When you look at it like this, it suddenly becomes understandable to play JA and ND so many minutes when all we have on the bench is BL and JMM both of whom leave a lot to be desired at this point. However, I would still rather have either of them in if it meant ML was at point for the majority of the game and TH had more minutes.
I think for RN to be his most effective, he needs to have a long above the rim player along side him. With ND and RN at the 4 and 5, we get abused inside by taller more athletic players. Having TH in at the 3 adds so much to our interior defense and rebounding that it makes no sense not to play him more. Now I haven’t seen TH knock down a jumper yet, but neither has JA save for a few shots against inferior opponents. But he doesn’t need to be a jump shooter on this team since MR, ML, and hopefully ND provide this dynamic to the offense. I would much rather have an active TH around the rim than a JA doing half hearted pump fakes with his defender ten feet off of him.
Sadly, until JK comes back, I don’t see JA moving out of the starting lineup. CBH has an extremely risk averse personality that leads him tp try something once, but if it doesn’t work immediately, he wont try it again. We’ve seen this with his “attempt” at zone defense and now after the Kansas game, are seeing it again with JA as a starter. CBH has always liked to pick a lineup/rotation and stick with it all year. This year must be very difficult for him with all the injuries (and DG) causing such turmoil. As such, he seems to be clinging for any consistency that he can find rather than grow a pair and try something different.
Ugh, ESPN has ML as the number 3 point guard propsect
It is insider protected, but ML is only behind John Wall and Willie Warren. He is projected right now as a mid to late first round pick on the fact that this year’s draft is incredibly shallow at point guard (since all of them went to the NBA last year). Shockingly, our starting point guard JA is not in their top 25.
And in case you are curious, TH is listed as the 21st best small forward.
There is independent verification for your projection of this team’s NBA talent N.
by bruinponcho on Dec 20, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
too early to tell, but...
Let’s get one thing strait. ML is the biggest bright point of our team, but even as the announcers of the notre dame game stated, he is VERY raw. He has the potential to be absolutely great. But he’s not there yet (obviously), and I doubt he’ll truly be mentally, skillfully and physically ‘ready’ for the NBA at the end of this season.
BUT, if the NBA comes calling as is seriously willing to draft him in the mid-first round (perhaps higher) based solely on potential because there are so so so few good PG prospects this upcoming draft, I wouldn’t blame him for making the jump. It would absolutely screw our team over royally (even more than this current season), but you couldn’t blame the kid.
I’m kind of hoping he helps us win games this year, but not quite enough to show NBA scouts that he can play the 1 well, thereby returning him to us for next season.
by longbordr52 on Dec 21, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
I had thought last spring
we might see a RW-like bust-out season from him. He’s showing signs that he can be our go-to guy offensively (I know, not like we have anyone else). Scary to think of him possibly going, but dollars can speak strongly. I’d hope he’d consider how our team might be next year with him. A while ago someone theorized that JH left because he knew this year’s UCLA team would not be very good. It’s not unreasonable for ML to have that same thought process after this season.
It should go without saying that I want him to stay and think his game will only get better if he does.
Actually the Fullerton game was very winnable.
Reeves Nelson was on fire the 12 minutes he played, yet he only played 12 minutes. He was by leaps and bounds the most effective scorer and rebounder per minutes played, yet CBH refused to play him more than a token amount in the game or overtime.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 21, 2009 7:05 AM PST up reply actions
I believe Hamid gives us a viable option at PG
Hamid can shoot a little and defends at least as well as JA. He’s not flashy, but I don’t think we need him to be. I say give Hamid JA’s minutes and use JA sparingly, if at all. If JA truly has the talent, the benching just might be what it takes to light his fire.
obviously not
but i am not concerned about the offense as i am the defense. our offense cannot overcome our poor defense. given our history with ben ball, it is clear that it has always been defense that has gotten us to the promised land. and under this scenario, JA and ND are still the main culprits. he needs to pull any player who is not hustling, hedging, helping, rotating, getting back, stopping the ball, etc.. 110% of the time they are on the court. you cannot expect every shot to fall, but you can always count on good hard nose defense. CBH needs to step this up big time.
and i am befuddled like all of you as to why JA is still out there although he is not always in there at the end of the game. but i would think as a coach, CBH would pull JA out more often and “coach” him and then reinsert him thus “teaching” him. instead, he is like phil jackson letting the upper class men figure it out on their own. CBH should bench JA just to make him more hungry. it seems that he lacks confidence, aggressiveness, and leadership necessary for that position.
There is the old saying
about failure not being fatal but failure to change can be.
I didn’t see the ND game, but looking at the defensive results, NDs roster and our roster I am still not sure why we didn’t play a zone for even a possession of that game…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 21, 2009 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
Agree.. I'd like to see Honeycutt move over Anderson
Right now that seems like the best option. Howland likes to go for smaller quicker lineups with more guards. However, even in that case, TH adds so much more athleticism on the court. I believe he also has moved up to team’s leading rebounder at 6.2/game. This way we’ll do better on the boards by committee with drag/keefe, nelson, and TH.
The team plays better in my opinion when he’s on the floor. I hope he makes the change sooner rather than later.
yup
given we have a power forward at center, and a European-style shooting forward at power forward, we need all the length/athleticism we can get elsewhere in the team to help out.
by britishbruin on Dec 21, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
How much does Drago have to suck to warrant his benching?
This guy hasn’t played well in an entire game all year. He makes repeated mistakes on defense, and can’t shoot to save his life. While I agree that inserting Honeycutt into the lineup is a good first step, until Drago has his minutes curtailed (below 20), this team will continue to struggle. Howland should put Morgan in and solidify the team’s identity as a rugged, defense-oriented squad.
does anyone have any info on minutes per "lineup-on-the-court"?
While it is easy to talk about starting lineups, and straightforward enough to look at total minutes, I am curious as to how much time various combinations are getting, and which players are in mini-rotations within the rotation.
Just from looking at the total minutes, it looks to me like
a) if TH gets more minutes, it will mostly be at the expense of JA
b) if JMM gets more minutes, it might decrease ND’s playing time by moving RN to some time at power forward
c) if BL gets more minutes, it probably comes out of ND’s playing time
It seems that as TH keeps getting stronger – and, at some point, gets his shooting touch – then he will get more time and JA will get less (and maybe ML/MR can be kept fresher as well…)
But otherwise, until JMM or BL step it up, it seems like ND is going to get a lot of minutes, regardless of BN’s general apathy for his play and effort. Just a reality of our current 8 man rotation. Return of JK to fitness may allow CBH to cut ND’s minutes a bit, if we have a bit more front court depth.
I know
and I agree. I was responding to some of the comments above making Dragovic the issue.
Given the state of our current roster, I think CBH has more flexibility around the JA/ML/MR/TH rotation than he does with RN/ND/JMM/(?BL?) frontcourt rotation, and agree that I would like to see more TH and less JA.
The other thing I am trying to work out related to my post above is whether CBH wants to be able to bring TH into the guard/small forward rotation at the times when he has to sit one or other of his preferred PF/C combination of RN and ND, so that his athleticism and length can help inside when one of our two first choice rebounders are off the court. Does he always have at least 2 of RN, ND and TH on the court?
by britishbruin on Dec 22, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Following britishbruin's idea somewhat
it would be interesting to see the +/- numbers while JA is on/off the court. Granted, such numbers would probably be minus for all of our players (with the possible exception of RN, maybe), but I would guess JA’s numbers would be more of a minus than most.
I like royobruin's lineup above
This is the best combo to start games and develop a pattern. Any news on when/if Keefe may return? If JK not available, should ND start, or keep him as a bench rotation with Lane starting? It’s fun to backseat coach. What will CBH do?
Proposed lineup = proposed winner
MR at the sg is a great idea and offensively an improvement. ND though MUST improve his shooting and be consistent in rebounding. I thinl CBH should try this for awhile-It can’t be any worse
I'm so burned out on this subject!
How many weeks have we all been spouting various ideas on how to create a rotation around less PT for JA and ND? It’s obvious to me that Howland is going to stick with what he’s been doing. I’m not suggesting members of this blog can’t keep theorizing, but for me, I’m so totally burnt out on these posts! They just get me more frustrated at the Caretaker! I can’t stay mad at him!
It's the team
that has lost 7 of 10 games, not Jerime Anderson. He did not play particularly well against ND, but he had 5 assists and 2 steals to go with 2 turnovers in 28 minutes; neither spectacularly good nor bad. However, he had only 1 point and 1 rebound in those 28 minutes, a weak performance. For the year, he is averaging 5.8 points per game, 6th among active players. He is shooting FG’s at .382% and is 5 for 15 in 3-pt. shooting (.333%). Just in passing, ML is at .326% in that category. JA is second in assists to MR, but MR has played 66 more minutes. Anderson has 38 assists to 28 turnovers and is second in steals at 14 to ML’s 15, but in 55 minutes less playing time. In short, he is doing fairly well, but needs to improve. I believe Honeycutt, whose natural talent for the game is obvious, will soon be playing substantially more minutes. And I have more faith in CBH’s judgment than I do in mine.
No Explanation Needed
I can’t speak for everyone, but CBH does not owe me anything. This is his team, his players and I trust him judgment wholeheartedly. No one knows what the team is going to look like in a month or how it will fare in the Pac 10. From what I could see Saturday, I think they’ll do alright once Honeycutt gets further up to speed.
I certainly do not think Howland is beyond criticism and have said so before. He’s assembled this team so he deserves some fault for its failings. But let’s face it, the Bruins are not very good this season. I doubt things would be much better if Holiday had returned. Even if they manage to make the tournament, a long run is not realistic.
If by this time next year the Bruins are still flailing away with no hope for the future, then I will start to worry.
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