Two Bruins Fail To Climb Academic Wall Becoming Ineligibile For EagleBank Bowl
Wow. This sounds like so much fun:
UCLA sophomore center Kai Maiava and freshman wide receiver Morrell Presley are academically ineligible for the EagleBank Bowl. Jake Dean will start at center for the Bruins, with Nick Ekbatani sliding to right guard. [...]
"It's tough - I don't think anybody's taking it harder than he is," redshirt freshman quarterback Kevin Prince said. "He apologized to the team on Saturday, and it's a blow to not only the offense but the whole team. He's the leader of that offensive line - he brings that fire and passion that I think helped the line play a lot better this year. I know he'll be punching himself for not being in the game."
That was from Jon Gold. Remember it was just days ago we read about Reggie Carter barely being eligible to practice after having to sit out couple of practices for not taking care his schoolwork.
Losing Kai is a huge blow to our patchwork OL which was already having to make do without a hobble Ryan Taylor at RG. With Kai at C our OL made marginal improvement this season and now he is out (will not even make the trip to DC or participate in any bowl related activities). While Kai and others have a responsibility, the blame for this falls on the UCLA academic advisers and coaching staff including of course Rick Neuheisel.
We now have had three players with academic issues this quarter during bowl preparation season and it's inexcusable that these guys didn't see it coming. To add to that they have been projecting the image (not us) of just goofing off the field for the sake of team-building.
Again at this point we will see how this team shows up next Tuesday. While Temple Owls are preparing as if we are getting ready for the Super Bowl, I am not exactly sure what we is going on with Rick Neuheisel's UCLA Bruins. Last week, I wrote Neuheisel was following Pete Carroll's model of discipline. Unfortunately right now Neuheisel's football team is starting to resemble a little bit like Carroll's Trojans off the field. Not a pretty picture.
Let's hope the Bruins actually learn from this and come out with a sense of purpose on December 29th and for rest of the offseason both on and off the field. This kind of shenanigans may be acceptable somewhere else but not at UCLA. Hope Rick Neuheisel is listening. The heat is on him to win in D.C.
GO BRUINS.
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So we steal a recruit from SUC
and he can’t pass his classes…i’m not surprised. Most of the talent probably don’t have the grades so we better get used to this.
UNLESS we want to recruit Stanford-type kids
Really?
So our coaches and academic advisors have no responsibility to ensure this doesn’t happen. Not to mention your comment doesn’t apply to Kai M who wasn’t a Trojan recruit. Blaming Morrell as a Trojan recruit is a cheap way out.
exactly
Pressley, while evidently not the sharpest tool in the box, still seems like a nice kid with insane (albeit raw) athleticism. He is a true freshman and this was his first quarter. I remember not doing as well my first couple quarters as I have done ever since.
Of the two athletes, I’m more disappointed in Kai. He has college experience at a respectable academic university even before UCLA. He should know better and the coaching staff should have been tracking this all along to ensure it didn’t happen.
I wonder if Texas or Alabama have any academically ineligible players? (Rhetorical question – football=academics=life in those states)
Don't forget Reggie Carter
As he had to scratch and claw becoming academically eligible. Are we going to blame him for being a Trojan recruit too?
Pressley’s case is baffling though. How the heck can this kid not get it done in classroom considering he had extra time due to missing games from his injury?
I don't think it's the games that are the time suckers
He still attended all of the practices and meetings, in addition to probably doing rehab for his shoulder. Even when injured he still has a full plate, athletically speaking. If your struggling with school, I don’t think an extra Saturday here and there is enough additional time to properly correct that (assuming he didn’t still travel with the team to road games).
It is not Morrell’s first quarter. He enrolled winter, this is his 3rd quarter. He has no excuse as far as the adjustment goes; he has been in the program almost a year now.
by jtthirtyfour on Dec 21, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
first quarter
Problem is, these are the padded easy classes with tutors. Doesn’t get any easier at UCLA. Our program still has numurous issues, this is just one of them.
Last night met a Tufts alumni, started talking a bit, the guy had a football background. After a few minutes even he was taking shots at CRN saying we should be doing better. Again, just more fuel to the fire, no Center, even a rougher time running the ball in cold weather. Perception of our program isn’t exactly glowing, things like this do not help. Maybe they need to jump the wall and go study for finals next time.
Ask yourselves this, if your in Vegas with the Bruins favored by 4 points, would you bet on the Bruins?(regarding the Temple game)
Eerie feeling
like you pointed out before that we may get embarrassed in this game. Temple is viewing this as their Super Bowl while we seem to be going through the motions.
100% agree
They have no tradition whatsoever and was kicked out of the Big East because of how bad they were. If people thought losing to Wyoming was bad……gawd, I don’t even want to think about it.
Wow
You basically lost the QB for the OL in Maiavai. This is a huge blow. Responsibility lies primarily with the coaches and the academic advisers to monitor these kids closer and have a better handle on what classes they’re taking, dropping and what their status is in each class.
Just brutal.
Getting kids ready to play means making sure they’re prepared off the field as well as on.
While I feel bad for these kids, they have to share in some of the responsibility as well. The players hands aren’t entirely clean here. They knew the rules. If they were struggling they should have been smart enough to reach out and see if something could be done to ensure their eligibility is unaffected by decisions they make in the classroom.
Tragic.
The team either uses this as a rallying call or folds like a house of cards and uses it as an excuse.
Hey, I got all As this quarter
All I need to do now is grow 8 inches, gain 150lbs and become remotely athletic. Not to mention join the team. I’m ready to go!
But in all seriousness, this really hurts. Bald Eagle is right. Losing the experienced center is like losing a QB. Center, QB and MLB are notoriously the three most important leadership positions on the field. I’m not feeling good about our chances. Just hoping that Temple is overrated and their statistics totally inflated by their schedule.
2.0 GPA is the benchmark, I believe
Also, starting in a player’s Sophomore year, there is an NCAA requirement regarding progress toward graduation (ie: x% of credits for graduation as a soph, y% of credits for graduation by jr,…).
formerly bruinhoo
Over 100 KIDS on the team, statistically there will be some that don't succeed each semester.
This from the UCLA website, certainly indicates that some students don’t succeed, but most do at UCLA. The average is closer to 50% nationally.
http://www.aim.ucla.edu/graduation/Graduation08FR.pdf
These are KIDS, and I personally recall vividly having major personal issues when enrolled in college. I don’t really care to impose my own inadequacies on these KIDS, but if we are honest, I think some of the people posting on this site can understand having issues at that time in our lives. I’m thinking that over 98% of the team being eligible means way more than less than 2 % being ineligible.
If I were an alumi I would be proud of my University for showing balls and declaring these players ineligible, no matter how much it hurts. Few other Universities would be willing to do so. Anyone think that Joe McNight will be declared ineligible?
Yeah, we are really special
For doing this:
If I were an alumi I would be proud of my University for showing balls and declaring these players ineligible, no matter how much it hurts.
Proud as all the Trojans who also have three of their players suspended for their bowl game for academic issues. We are so unique. Go us.
No 'balls' required
If I were an alumi I would be proud of my University for showing balls and declaring these players ineligible, no matter how much it hurts. Few other Universities would be willing to do so
Making academically ineligible players ineligible for upcoming games is an NCAA requirement, not the choice of a university. Ohio State, for example has suspended two players (including Chris Carter’s son) for the Rose Bowl due to similar academic issues.
formerly bruinhoo
100% Wrong! Blaming RN and academic advisers for these “student/athletes” not going to class and not studying is an insult to all other students who carry full-time unit loads and work full-time or part-time jobs and put themselves through school. These “student/athlete” football players have it easy compared to the typical working UCLA student or any other working student. Give them some personal responsibility. Oh, please. My heart is breaking for them because RN and the academic advisers weren’t sitting in their dorm rooms or apartments demanding that they get their ass out of bed, attend class, and study for that upcoming Psych 110 exam. Meanwhile, the chemistry major in the next dorm room over, who got off his clerk job at Ralphs at midnight, pulled an all-nighter studying for his finals the next morning. He’s never heard of an “academic adviser.”
by bonecar on Dec 21, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Can you read?
I wrote:
While Kai and others have a responsibility, the blame for this falls on the UCLA academic advisers and coaching staff including of course Rick Neuheisel.
Of course the student-athletes are responsible. However, this is not an isolated incident. Moreover, if the coaches knew about this then we have a problem because they need to explain why they are projecting an image of goofing around when their team is not taking care of business inside classrooms.
I presume classes and finals were already over
before the goofing around started. With grades just coming out now, I also presume that there is little, if anything, that can be done to remedy the situation after the fact.
High profile student athletes are given every leg up to succeed academically. While in a few cases, despite their best efforts and taking full advantage of their opportunities, a student/athlete will still fall short, I daresay that in the vast majority of cases they just will not have put in the effort required. If the latter applies, then the student/athlete bears sole responsibility for falling short and needs to own up to it. The good news is, that in the case of Kai Maiava, he seems to be doing just that.
Correct
Classes have been over for a little over a week. I just got my grades today. UCLA has a policy of disallowing any challenge to a final grade unless there was a logistical mistake (like the Professor pressed a wrong button or graded a person with a similar name but gave it to the other guy). There is nothing Kai or Pressley can do for the bowl.
Disagree
but I’ll try to state why more clearly that bonecar. The fact that athletes already have academic advisers and tutors means that they already have a significant leg up. True there are college counselors available for every student, but that ratio is more like 1:500 compared to let’s say 1:20 for the athletes. Big difference in individual attention and planning.
Anyone who has gone here knows that UCLA is very much a sink or swim, no one will hold your hand type of school, which personally I love. Some people thrive on going it alone and finding their own way, while others come to find that they need a more guiding hand often found a smaller, private institutions. Obviously some athletes need that hand, and UCLA does its best to give that to them. However, there is a fine balance between providing the tools to succeed and giving too much help…like the difference between academically ineligible and NCAA sanctions.
NCAA rules state that outside of a few basic exceptions, athletes are not to receive any benefits or privileges not available to all students. This is mostly meant for things like gifts but also applies to academic support. I have no doubts that UCLA holds to this more strictly than most schools because of our high academic prestige.
If an football player is working with his counselor and going to his tutoring sessions and is still struggling academically, what is CRN to do? I suppose that he could “excuse” a player from practice and/or games if he feels that player’s grades are suffering, but that basically has the same effect as being academically ineligible.
Bottomline is that UCLA is very competitive. This is why our admission standards for athletes are high and why there are players like Javid Best that we simply cannot go after. It’s not always to maintain our reputation, but also to ensure that the athletes accepted have a chance of surviving against the best and brightest while carrying heavy schedules. If you come here to play, you know what is expected, and it is on you as a student to live up to that expectation. The university, both legally and morally, can only help so much.
I appreciate the explanation Sideout
But the last paragraph is the one I keep having trouble with. You wrote:
Bottomline is that UCLA is very competitive. This is why our admission standards for athletes are high and why there are players like Javid Best that we simply cannot go after. It’s not always to maintain our reputation, but also to ensure that the athletes accepted have a chance of surviving against the best and brightest while carrying heavy schedules. If you come here to play, you know what is expected, and it is on you as a student to live up to that expectation. The university, both legally and morally, can only help so much.
I have seen that reference re. Cal/UCLA academic standards for football times number of times over the year from UCLA folks (including from CRN). However, I have yet to see definitive proof (in terms of document) that establishes Cal has lower academic standards when it comes to taking football players than UCLA. It has been anecdotal coming from UCLA sources. Haven’t seen any documentary evidence to date yet.
I appreciate the other part of your explanation though.
Ok scratch the last part
Cal was a bad example. But our admission standards are high none the less, and for good reason.
Ummm....
Before you speak, you should find out how much time out of the day MUST be devoted to football prep. and compare that to how much time someone working a part-time job devotes there. It’s no secret that these kids have 20+ hours of ‘optional’ sessions/workouts/meetings/playbook studying alongside their required 30+ hours of on the book training per week. That’s a 50 hour work week and a full course load. Notice how that Chem major is probably not lettering in ANY varsity sport. The vast majority of people aren’t made like that – they can’t do both. That’s why these kids major in underwater basket weaving – because no normal kid can be both academically superior and athletically superior (and make no mistake, it takes superior aptitude in both, separately, just to tread water in both at the same time). As much as you’d like, they all can’t be ATV’s getting honor roll in applied mathematics while developing into a Sunday player.
Not to glorify Dorrell, but did we have a lot of probs like this when he was in charge? l can’t seem to remember any, which makes me think that it is possible to be more proactive here.
Staying on top of these guys’ academic responsibilities should encompass more than just making sure they’re at all of their classes.
…and the staff should “suggest” that the players sit near the front in their classes.
I would also add
If this happened under Dorrell’s watch, we and many others would be blasting Dorrell.
I like the Magic Mountain trip and diving
It’s fun and college is supposed to be partly fun. Also, if you’re not with the players doing that stuff, the players are looking to kill hours upon hours upon hours on their own, which could turn out badly so that stuff, good job by the coaching staff. This, awful. Kai and Morrell, you have every advantage someone could possibly want academically. There is no excuse to not get it done. CRN needs to get on top of this too.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 21, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions
ugh
Sucks loosing Hasiak considering our need and how talented he his. However, I hope he gets it together and finds his way.
Too early to judge the Hasiak situation IMO
I don’t know enough of the details to know whether or not this is a program issue or a Hasiak issue.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 21, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a Hasiak issue – but the program has plenty of it’s own issues right now, unfortunately.
If these issues were festering around
Then we should have thought twice about the image we have been projecting about the program having fun. Hasiak was a prominent part of the diving video, which Morgan Center broadcast just days ago.
I don't get what you have against the image of having fun
They’re kids, they’re supposed to be having fun and it’s great for recruiting. We want them to be having fun. What else should they be doing? You’re only allowed to practice for so many hours and there isn’t any class. I think you’re blowing the fun thing way out of proportion. I’m concerned about the academics and the wall, while my guess would be that Hasiak is a individual problem that needs to be handled, but shouldn’t affect the entire program. The fun is just that, fun and good for them.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 21, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
I have no problem with kids having fun
Fun is an essential part of college. However, fun also comes after students have taken care of their work inside classroom. I get that UCLA football is anxious to project the image of a program is having a good time, but given these developments, we also look like bunch of underachieving clowns. It will only get worse if we somehow don’t get it done against Temple.
I have no issue with getting on Kai, Morrell and CRN
for the academics, the wall and possibly the Hasiak situation, depending how it plays out. That stuff is not okay and it should be discussed. I just don’t agree that the having fun thing and the image or whatnot should be brought into that conversation. To each his own.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 21, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Don't mind the activities at this point
Obviously, classes and exams are over, and the players are only allowed to devote so much time to practice. The wall fiasco does bug me a bit, but the diving and the Magic Mountain excursion seem fine. Like ot see the team able to have a bit of fun mixed into this month’s work, and I would rather see team activities than the players just buming around Westwood or Santa Monica every night after practice.
formerly bruinhoo
Again generally agree with your guys point
I am saying that we need to be cautious about how we broadcast and shape the image of the program (specifically if the coaches were aware of the issues festering in the background). If the coaches and UCLA officials knew that Hasiak was still in a vulnerable situation, then there was no need to feature him in that video (along with Kai M). Someone dropped the ball on it and ultimately given CRN’s previous history at UDub and at CU, we should expect a little more from him.
You may not have meant it, but what I'm reading is ...
that these outings were staged publicity stunts and that we should have sole authority to pick and choose what the media reports from such events.
Smacks of censorship and propaganda to me – problematic at best.
Call me naive, but I choose to believe that these were genuine attempts by the coaching staff to provide positive down time for their charges and with a little attempt at team building thrown in for good measure.
Nope not saying that either
I do think the outings were fun. However, I think we look a little cheesy broadcasting them right now given all the issues surrounding the program.
It’d make a little more sense if we had gone to a bowl game taking place after new year’s day. Right now given the totality of circumstances, those videos look a little silly and would look much worse if we don’t take care of business next Tuesday. Hope coaches and players realize that.
Maybe they should have been thinking about who to profile
when making the videos, but I honestly think that showing heavy doses of Kai and Hasiak was just unfortunate. Most final grades didn’t come out until today (hence the timing of all the academic announcements). Those two players are some of the most expressive, along with XSF Moore, and others, so naturally they would be the ones to appear on the videos the most.
I don’t really think you can fault the Morgan Center for including them in the “fun” videos, unless of course it was absolutely clear to either them or CRN that these players would in all likelihood not meet eligibility. And if that was the case then they should not have been participating in the first place (although it’s tough to tell a kid he can’t have fun with his friends just because his grades might end up being bad)
are you kidding me? seriously???!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
“While Kai and others have a responsibility, the blame for this falls on the UCLA academic advisers and coaching staff including of course Rick Neuheisel.”
So I like a good deal of what I read on this blog, but when I read this, I nearly vomited. In what bizarro fantasy world is this anything but Kai and the other’s fault 110%? There are about 28,000 undergraduates at UCLA who have absolutely 0 problem keeping their grades above what is a really really minimal level (i graduated in 06 [then again from ucla law in 09] and have a really hard time comprehending how anyone could not get what is required to stay eligible as long as you put in a scintilla of effort) without a team of advisers. They should be able to do it without help or they shouldn’t be at UCLA. And to somehow blame the help they are getting while still failing is mind boggling. Its a slap in the face to every student who does achieve in the classroom without having his or her hand held. When a spoiled kid has mommy help her with her papers and they stink do we say “its her responsibility but the blame for this falls on mommy.” I didnt think so. And these are not children; these are adults.
I also understand that football players participate in a very time consuming extra circular but there are many students who work significant hours who still mange to keep their grades up and like I said earlier its really just not that hard. If for some reason they just dont have the intellectual talent (although ANYONE who tries hard enough should be able to at least pass in some easy major) then they should not be student athletes at ucla and if that attitude hurts our on-field success, its something I am willing to accept.
by frozenflame5858 on Dec 22, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions
Terrible
3 players out of the game, 2 because of academics and 1 for who knows what. This is not the type of program I expected CRN to develop. We expect and demand much better.
None of those are conclusively CRN’s fault. I agree that most of the blame needs to fall on Maiava and Presley for screwing up in the classroom. There is no reason they should not be able to carry a C average, and the only proof necessary is the rest of the team that will be traveling to DC this weekend. If 2% of the regular student body was underperforming, would we be saying it’s the fault of the program or the fault of the individuals? What makes football players any different? There are ~100 other players that took on the same schedule and got it done in the classroom. This is obviously an individual issue with each of the ineligible players.
Hasiak….well…who the hell really knows what’s going on with him? Seems silly to assume that this is CRN’s fault, especially given Hasiak’s prior history of mini-breakdowns.

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