Spaulding Roundup: Offensive Issues Piling Up For Bruins
I don't recall so much drama around a UCLA "bowl team" like the one from this year. We have had players suspended due to academic issues. We have had a guy sent back home due to off field issues (which we hope will get resolved some time in the near future). We have had senior captain LB getting into it with defensive coordinator because he didn't want to take part in tackling drills. We have also had players ditching practices in the name of a pathetic tradition emblematic of mediocrity and classic under achievements dating back to Donahue era.
In the middle of all this our team is trying to prepare for a tough football team from Philadelphia which is coached by a protege of Joe Paterno with issues at center and a QB who is still trying to heal from a shoulder separation. Concerns remain about effectiveness of Kevin Prince and the rhythm he is developing with back up center Jake Dean, who now finds himself at the center of action due to suspension of Kai Maivava. Let's start with the latest on Prince, who per the LAT is making "progress":
One concern Coach Rick Neuheisel has is how Prince's shoulder will be affected by the cold weather in Washington. Highs are expected to be about 40 degrees during the game, according to forecasts.
"When we get there spinning around in the cold weather, you never know what it will do," said Neuheisel, who added that Prince wasn't "100% sharp" in practice Tuesday.
Still, barring unforeseen complications, Prince is set to start for the Bruins, though backup Kevin Craft could get playing time as well.
While saying the decision wasn't his to make, Prince said he was ready to play.
"I think the only thing holding me back is from a physical standpoint," Prince said. "There are still a couple throws that really bother me. I played hurt before and I have never had an issue getting over injuries."
Neuheisel is looking more than day to day progress. He is looking for sharp practices and per the Daily News our offense hasn't been as sharp as CRN wants it to be:
"We still have to have sharper days," Neuheisel said. "Kevin is better, but he's not 100 percent yet. That may be why I'm not willing to say it was a great practice. We're still not sharp yet. He's not complaining of pain, he's just not sharp yet. He's got to improve between now and game-time."
And if he doesn't?
"Well then we have another Kevin, who is dying to play again, and he has been sharp," said Neuheisel, referring to senior quarterback Kevin Craft. "I think there's reason for optimism. I just want to make sure we've got healthy, consistent players out there.
Well, I still think Neuheisel needs to make sure Craft is ready to go. Craft has shown this year than he can step in any time like he did during the Washington game without a lot of practices. However, that took place in Southern California weather conditions at the Rose Bowl. I hope when the team gets to DC later this week, Neuheisel makes sure Craft gets enough reps so that he is ready to go if needed. More on our offense after the jump.
While Prince is working to get healthy and work his way through his injury, he (and Craft) are also adjusting to a new center (Jake Dean) during these practices:"It'll be a little different," Prince said. "You adjust to the way they snap the ball. Everybody snaps a little differently. Jake happens to snap it a little further back so you do little adjustments. (It's) nothing too big of a deal."
Everyone knows that one of the most important parts of any offensive play is the exchange between the center and the quarterback. Dean was used sparingly in games against Washington State and USC but has enough familiarity with Prince and Kevin Craft, who could see action in the bowl game.
"Kevin Craft and I took snaps together all year, last year, and Kevin Prince was working with the second team a lot last year so I was taking snaps with him," Dean said. "Spring and fall camp and all that stuff, I took snaps with all of them. Every day before practice we all rotate, taking snaps together. It's not going to be anything new. I've taken plenty of snaps with Kevin Prince. I've taken plenty of snaps with him during seven-on-sevens and in the offseason. We're fine."
Not just Prince, it sounds like rest of the offense is not "worried" about losing Kai and his leadership for this game:
"I don't feel like I need to replace that (Maiava's leadership)," Dean said. "We're a really close group this year, and we don't need to be out there yelling and doing all that stuff. We know what to do, we know what our assignments are. That intensity is going to be there every time I step on the field, but I'm not going to try to do what Kai does."
Dean's offensive teammates are not worried about the switch, particularly as this starting unit is no stranger to each other.
Dean, Ekbatani, left guard Jeff Baca and right tackle Mike Harris started against Oregon State last season.
"Our line is a pretty close-knit group," sophomore wide receiver Nelson Rosario said. "They'll pick it up without Kai. We're just going to miss someone to lead our little chant before the game. We'll find somebody."
Dean has one idea: to stand in for Maiava's pre-game rendition of the haka, a Maori tribal dance.
"(Sophomore linebacker) Steve Sloan does a pretty good impression in the locker room," Dean said with a laugh. "I'm sure he can go out there and get us going."
They will need to get it going from the kick off against a Temple team, that will be ready and is not going through anywhere close to the off field soap opera surrounding our football team.
Right now I am hoping all the drama that has gone on last few days will have a reverse effect of firing up our team. UCLA is still a 5 point favorite over the Owls. However, given the coverage we have read in recent days it sure appears the Owls are lot more prepared and focused (at least according to the news reports we have been blogging about in recent days), while the Bruins have their mind somewhere else. After it's all said and done, I hope it will be the Bruins who will come out with a chip on their shoulder and prove to a national TV audience that they were as deserving as any other team to appear in this year's bowl season. Well that's the best case scenario I am hoping for as I am getting ready for a freezing cold afternoon at RFK. :-)
GO BRUINS.
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I would start Kevin Craft
especially after the way KPrince returned from his injury earlier this season. Not only would it give us a better chance to win this game IMO, but, it would be a nice send-off to Craft who took a lot of well-deserved heat but also an undeserved beating last year due to our 08 offensive woes. Plus with a reshuffled offensive line, I would expect our QB to do some scrambling and I would much rather see KCraft doing that than risking another injury/setback for KP.
I think your last sentence
is key. I had been wanting KP to get the time and experience. Given that we don’t know if anyone will have a chance to throw, I think we’re better off using KC as well. It’s an extra bonus to send him out with a start.
KK Agree -- Start KC
I was writing the same thing when your post went up. It is unrealistic to expect KP to play well coming off this injury.
We’ve seen him start slowly, before, after injuries and we don’t have a few games to get him into form.
KP’s problem (?) is that he’s such a strong competitor that he will say he is ok when he isn’t . That spirit led to the interception in the sc game — his shoulder wouldn’t allow him to make the throw.
Maybe, another day of practice, hand we no jumped the wall would have given KP more time to get ready and CRN more time to evaluate.
I am with Nestor. I’ve been worried about this game since the day it was announced we were playing Temple. It is the perfect trap game and for the last few weeks a perfect storm that favors Temple has been brewing.
We would have been challenged without the loss of players and side issues.
It is really up to the coaching staff, which is somewhat complicit in each “distraction” issue, to get this team focused and ready to play. I trust it will.
sjh
PS. I must have missed the info on Carter “refusing” to tackle. Can someone give me the BN url so I can read about it.
sjh
I think it would be best to start KC this game if KP doesn’t show the ability to make all the necessary throws. I’m sure CRN is keeping a close eye on KP to see if he can make the throws and also to see if he shows any signs of pain when throwing. As for missing practice, IIRC Prince didn’t miss anything that day because he wasn’t throwing enough to get any meaningful reps.
For all you older Bruins
I’m a senior at UCLA and did not live to see the Donahue era, and the Toledo era happened before I followed UCLA (I’m a NorCal kid). Looking at the standings, his first decade resume actually looks rather impressive; I’ve only been a witness of the terrible Dorrell era and these first two years of Neuheisel and everything looks golden in comparison to these years.
What happened with UCLA football in the late 80’s/early 90’s? What did Donahue do to transform a top 25 team from 1982-88 to a team which lacked the ability to consistently finish in the top 25, which Toledo and Dorrell continued? This has never been pointed out on this blog, as I suspect a majority of you are alums and lived through it, thus didn’t require an explanation. For the younger Bruins like us, we have no clue what happened. We can see that UCLA has only had 5 top 25 seasons since 1989, which is unacceptable, but a narrative of what happened with the program from 1989 on would greatly help our knowledge about the program.
Thanks for helping a younger Bruin out.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Biggest thing that happened was Aikman ran out of eligibility
And I think the foundation was already weakening when OC Homer Smith left after the 86 season. Donahue benefited from having an experienced coaching staff, and a full-time recruiting coordinator who scouted nationally (in that pre-internet era, most schools only recruited regionally). And having a future NFL Hall of Famer playing QB didn’t hurt.
Aikman’s first year as a starter was 87, but had a whole year of tutelage under Neuheisel and Smith after he transferred to UCLA from OU. That 87 squad was the most talented UCLA team that I can recall from just about any era. IIRC, 9 players from that team were taken in the NFL draft. They were even talented enough to overcome the predictable Steve Axman who replaced Smith as OC. For all that talent, they probably underachieved, but the margin between 10-2 and 12-0 was very thin. The loss to Nebraska that year IMO was more of a fluke, given that the defense contained NU’s vaunted option attack but did not plan on an option QB like Steve Taylor tossing 5 TDs. And the loss to SC very well could have had a different outcome had a replay review of Eric Affholter’s “touchdown” been available (and Aikman not gone out for his 21st b-day the night before, but that’s a different story/rumor for a different post).
That 88 squad was also one of the better UCLA teams, but nowhere near as talented as the 87 squad. UCLA had very highly ranked recruiting classes in the two years prior, but they were beset by injuries and players simply not living up to their high billing. Those Bruin recruiting classes were neck and neck with Michigan for the top spot, but looking at how the rosters filled out years later, Michigan’s classes were clearly a lot more productive than UCLA’s.
During that period from 82 to 88, the depth chart legitimately went three and four deep at nearly every position. They didn’t have issues with “youth” and “experience” because there was junior and senior leadership in every unit. During that seven-year bowl winning streak, every year except 87 featured a different fifth-year senior QB starting. QBs like Neuheisel, Bono, Norrie, and Stevens already had three or four years in Homer Smith’s system before they were handed the keys to the offense.
The 89 season was a disaster. The 88 squad also had a big list of guys leaving for the NFL, but a lot of starters remained in place for 89. The problems started at the top with freshman Bret Johnson (brother of Rob, and son of Bob) who turned out to be ill-suited to playing a pro-style offense. I saw the guy in HS, and he was one of the best dual threat QBs I ever saw. He was an All-American, and led El Toro HS to three CIF championships. But, that was high school. Johnson was basically Jake Locker, except five inches shorter and with a weaker arm.
The turning point in that season (and perhaps Donahue’s tenure) was the early season loss to Michigan, where Michigan scored late and recovered an onside kick to win the game. After that loss, the team just went into downward spiral, and that pattern has repeated itself many times in subsequent seasons. To TD’s credit, they did pull out of those funks in other years in time to beat SC, but those losing streaks included a lot of ugly losses that never should have happened.
Starting in 89, you also started getting more holes in the depth chart. The guys coming up through the ranks were not as good as the ones they replaced. The recruiting classes started getting more lopsided and unbalanced. Plus, you had more of a carousel with the assistant coaches coming and going. And I think Donahue simply didn’t have the spark anymore after that 89 season completely imploded, and that hurt the recruiting as well.
Also, I think it was a mindset change with the players, which began in the late-80s when juniors became eligible for the NFL draft. Starting with QB Tommy Maddox, players started leaving UCLA early and you had more QBs transferring if they got beat out in spring or fall camp. I don’t see a blue chip QB like Steve Bono today sticking around for four years before earning the starting role. Donahue had a hard time adjusting to these changes, and when the NCAA mandated that recruiting coordinators also serve as position coaches, UCLA’s national scouting fell off big time. He stuck around too long, and that put the program on a less than solid footing.
Toledo brought some refreshing new energy to Westwood, and actually raised expectations higher than they ever were during the Donahue era (back then, there was no BCS, so the Rose Bowl was the goal every year, regardless of ranking). Talk of national championships during November and December was unheard of during the Donahue years, and UCLA was right in the thick of it until the defensive meltdown against Miami in 1998.
I think there too, Toledo was a different coach after the Miami loss. He didn’t bring the same energy to that he did during the earlier part of his tenure, and he began losing recruits to SC. Once SC went on their current roll, Carroll basically locked up SoCal the same way that John Robinson did during the early part of Donahue’s tenure. Donahue responded by recruiting nationally, and that pulled in many of the key contributors during that 80s period. The irony is that Carroll has now gone national with his recruiting, and has left an opening for many of the SoCal recruits. How Neuheisel responds to this landscape shift will ultimate determine whether he can get UCLA back to national prominence.
by Woochifer on Dec 23, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Very informative
Thanks for such an enlightening post!
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Donahue in the early 90's
I was there for the ‘90-’93 seasons, at every home game and the Bay Area away game as part of the band. Our chant for when we were on offense was “run up the middle, run up the middle, run up the middle and PUNT!” Despite some amazing defensive players, and some offensive stars as well, the offense was unimaginative, to say the least. We beat $C* at the Mausoleum in ’93 with the Rose Bowl on the line for both teams…and proceeded to get our asses kicked by Wisconsin.
I still don’t think that people realize the difference between Craft and the Freshmen
It’s pretty obvious that the portrayal around here is that Craft is a "Warrior" and "Gives it all he’s got," but the fact that he still doesn’t offer the same amount of tools and ability that Brehaut or Prince do right now is reason enough to show that Craft is incapable of pulling out a win when he isn’t given a 2 possession lead.
He started against Stanford remember? Remember the quick slants? Remember the Embree/Rosario/Pressley/Austin cluster f? We all have complained about how he can’t throw the ball 20 yards, but honestly, are we going to fall in that same pit of "Emotion is the only face of football?"
There is the argument that Prince’s injury could deter him, but we could just contradict ourselves by saying that Neuheisel shouldn’t take risks for the benefit of the team? We aren’t playing USC, first of all, and second, it is quite obvious, from every highlight available on Cosby U, Temple flat out does not have the dogs to push Price, Jerzy, and Datone around all game. That takes care of one side of the ball, next, their best defensive player is projected to go in the 7TH Round!! There is little concern about whether or not UCLA has the firepower, with or without Kai Maiava at center, to get a 100 yard + game on the ground.
Should it get into a shootout, which it won’t, UCLA will easily show their advantage.
Oh ya, remember WSU? The game that they "could" win? Ya, they treated it like their super bowl too… I know I’m getting a little cocky, but honestly, it doesn’t really matter, there is little to logically compare anyways, just talent vs. talent, edge: UCLA
Formerly ucla13_usc9
don't understand your point re KC and the sunshine freshmen
Looks from the quote from CRN that he sees KC as being ahead of Brehaut at this point, so your point re KC vs Brehaut seems to be incorrect.
The question then is whether starting a healthy KC is a better idea than starting KP at less than 100%. Given that that is clearly an open question for CRN, I don’t see the purpose of attacking people on BN who, ceteris paribus, would like to see good things happen for a kid who has gutted it out through tough times without much reward or respect.
by britishbruin on Dec 23, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not attacking
It’s just me saying be aware that we are in the same cycle that we had earlier in the year and a hurt Prince is better than a healthy craft and there is plenty of statistical points to back that up
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Dec 23, 2009 3:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
if we really have such a glaring talent advantage (even in the snow...)
then why wouldn’t it make sense to play it safe with KC managing the offense?
On a beautiful sunny day in California in September, with other teams throwing the ball all over the field, I can see why we might lament KC’s ability/willingness to air it out (or: CRN/NC’s unwillingness to let him). In wintry conditions in DC, I’m not sure throwing the deep ball is so optimal, and with a makeshift OL, I don’t really want our QB hanging around in the pocket.
KP and KC are both warriors in my book; but KP is recovering from injury. If he is less than healthy, I don’t want him throwing INTs because of underthrows, particularly when the conditions will make it less easy to keep his shoulder loose. Also, I don’t see why we would want to risk reinjury behind a makeshift OL when he could be focusing on being strong and healthy for spring training.
IF KP is not close to 100%, then I wouldn’t play him. I would start KC, and try to get Brehaut some series for the experience if the game is well in hand or if CRN wants to throw a change-up. IF KP is fully recovered, then I would start him.
by britishbruin on Dec 24, 2009 4:39 AM PST up reply actions
Prince is and should be the starter
First, quoting the LAT (Trojan Times) is problematic on its face. Their writers are always out to torpedo our team anyway they can.
Prince (even with a gimpy wing) is a better choice than Kraft. He is more accurate at short and long range. He is more mobile. No contest.
This bowl game ought to be a celebration of our improvement over last year. Let’s celebrate our team with positive strokes and vibes and not focus so much on the negative.
If you think a gimpy KP is better than a healthy KC
then you did not watch the Oregon game (13-25 for 81 yards). If KP is healthy enough to start, I hope that he has his best game of the season. But, for Prince to be effective, he has to be at or close to full strength. If not, I hope to see Craft in the game sooner rather than later.
+1
CRN knows what he’s got, and if he needs use KCraft to win this game, that’s what should happen. (It wouldn’t be the first time.)
Love My Bruins
I beg to differ
It’s also true that Oregon is a top notch defense, Prince had only a few sessions of full practice in full contact, hadn’t eaten in 3 weeks, the players around him let him down, and he hadn’t been reborn in Corvallis yet. The Cal game would be a better comparison and that still was before the ASU game
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Dec 23, 2009 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hope you are right
but I am still not sure why you would think that KP would play more like he did vs. Cal than he did vs. Oregon considering he is still experiencing pain in his shoulder and probably still not practicing at full speed. But, as I said, hopefully he does.
Coasting
TD left after 6-8 years of average football. He was a great recruiter, but the game planning and passion was never the same after the ’88 season.
Toledo was incredible with TD’s talent, he was an incredible offensive coordinator, but was horrible in long term management of the team. Leading us to hire Dorrell to “clean” up the program and bore us to death. Until of course he got fired, leaving us w/o talent or direction now.
Never though much of Toledo as OC
I thought that his offenses at TAMU were much more creative than what he brought to UCLA in 94 and 95. When Homer Smith left, I was hoping that Neuheisel would get the gig. He didn’t and he left. Had Neuheisel stuck around and took over for TD in 1996, I think he very well could have gotten UCLA to one or two national championship games. But, he would have also landed the program on probation in the process, given how fast and loose he played with the rules at Colorado.
I loved the creativity and sense of daring that Toledo brought to UCLA (at least on the field). While Al Borges was a great hire, the real gamble was hiring Rocky Long to install that high risk 3-3-5 defense. But, that defense was so well suited to the roster that TD left for Toledo (which was talented but undersized), and I think Long’s departure after only two years really hurt the program. And it’s the turnover on the assistant coaches that has been a huge problem for UCLA.
Totally agree with you about TD coasting through his last few years, and Toledo’s deficiencies as a long-term program manager. Like I wrote above, I think Donahue’s turning point was the 1989 Michigan game, and Toledo’s was the 1998 Miami game. Neither coach was ever the same after those losses. A younger Donahue responded to the disastrous 1979 season that concluded with a 49-14 loss against SC by completely revamping the offense (switched from the veer option to a pro-style passing attack) and going balls-to-the-wall on recruiting. Even though Donahue did bring back Homer Smith in 1990 and open up the QB position to competition (which led to Bret Johnson transferring), I didn’t sense the same urgency and he did not have the same vigor with recruiting.
re: Toledo
I like your point about the creativity and daring that he brought. The type of football being played was exciting.
Toledo was very creative his first few years
but, by his last year or two, he became much too conservative, playing not to lose instead of playing to win. I still remember watching the Oregon game during his last year. We were down 1 point in the fourth quarter, needing about 20 yards to get in comfortable field goal range. We ran the ball 3 straight times for 9 yards – ended up with a 4th and 1 and then missed a 40+ yard field goal and lost the game.
Craft all the way
If KP is not healthy enough to go, then the choice must be Craft. He stepped in pretty well this year while keeping us in the game and not turning the ball over and making some big time throws. But most importantly he did not turn the ball over. Brehaut just might be our future but until he gets some feel for the pocket I consider it a health hazard to have him out there because he has taken some really good shots not only from his blind side, but what is right in front of him. DEs just pull back their ears and D Coordinators just send the house knowing the Brehaut doesn’t pick it up on the line and won’t audible. When he has time I think Brehaut shows he can be a very good QB for us in the future but just not yet.
I also love Kevin Craft more then anybody on our roster from what he went through last year. The kid went through hell last year behind our O Line and is tough as nails and even this year when he wasn’t getting reps in practice, he made sure to stay after so that if he was called upon come game time he would be ready to go. The right call would be to start Craft and I will be thoroughly disappointed in CRN and Stormin Norman if they go with Brehaut

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