[UPDATEx3] Weis Calls Out Petey For Living With A Grad Student In Malibu (Instead Of His Wife)
by Nestor on Dec 5, 2009 9:53 PM PST
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PrintFrom an interview by Tim Prister, IrishIllustrated.com Senior Editor, which was posted on Rivals.com:
Q: Is it frustrating to you Pete Carroll, for example, portrayed in one way…
CW: Let me ask you this question: You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news. He’s doing it in Malibu and it’s not national news. What’s the difference? I don’t understand. Why is it okay for one guy to do things like that, but for me, I’m scrutinized when I swear. I’m sorry for swearing; absolve my sins.
Was this story out in LA's traditional media before? Would LA's traditional media make a big deal out of this if this story involved Rick Neuheisel?
GO BRUINS.
UPDATE: From Petey's website (HT Patroclus):
He was born on Sept. 15, 1951 in San Francisco. He and his wife, Glena, who played volleyball at Pacific, have 3 children: sons Brennan, 30, who played tight end at Pittsburgh (he previously played at Delaware) and is now an assistant at USC, and Nate, 21, a junior at USC, and daughter Jaime, 26, who played on the Women of Troy's highly-ranked volleyball team which competed in the 2000 NCAA Final Four.
Let's make something clear. Don't think it is cool to speculate on someone else's personal life. However, given that Weis has thrown this out there now, it is news. If this doesn't turn out to be true, then Weis will look really pathetic. However, if there is truth to this, then it is newsworthy given the recent events in sports world. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE II (N): Cheatey has responded with this in the Trojan Times:
Carroll said in a telephone interview that he was apprised of the report by Tim Tessalone, USC’s sports information director.
“It’s untrue, it’s irresponsible, and it’s incredible he’d be talking about me like that,” Carroll said of Weis.
Keep in mind that was posted in the Trojan Times (which exactly doesn't have a stellar record when it comes to thorough reporting on (alleged) transgressions (Tiger's favorite word) by Pom Pom's program). Anyway, that's the latest on it. It's Weiss v. Petey. Who should we trust? GO BRUINS.
UPDATE III (N): Now Weis has apologized for his comments stating his words were taken "totally out of context":
Former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis has apologized and insists that heated comments he made about USC coach Pete Carroll were taken "totally out of context" and he meant no offense.
Weis, speaking to the Los Angeles Times on Sunday, said he was speaking to several reporters on a "totally subjective" basis as an aside to a formal interview and that the comments were meant to reference Internet rumors in general and how they impact coaches' lives and their families.
"In no way was I trying to take a shot at Pete," Weis said in a phone message to the Los Angeles Times. "What we were talking about was how the rumor mill can affect people's lives.
"When I was asked a specific question like that, I responded like, 'This is the same crap that I'm talking about.' You start saying things like this and one thing, this guy does this and I do that, and all of a sudden the Internet takes it all over the place.
"So, in no way was I trying to take a shot at Pete. I feel if I offended Pete, I will run Pete down and apologize. In no way do I have any idea what's going on in anyone's life other than the fact that rumors on the Internet can affect coaches' lives in a very, very negative fashion."
IrishIllustrated.com senior editor Tim Prister, who posted the transcript of the Weis interview igniting this story didn't offer any comment. GO BRUINS.
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Remember what plaschke says
he’s the type of coach doing things the right way….
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
I'm pretty sure that he's married with a couple of kids
Man, I’m torn on this story. While I like the idea of Carroll’s fraudulent persona being stripped away, it was pretty darn weasel-y of Weis to out Carroll in an exit interview.
by insomniacslounge on Dec 5, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
That's not a hard question to answer
Weiss couldn’t beat Carroll on the field, so he tried to strike a blow off the field to exact revenge.
by insomniacslounge on Dec 5, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
It's possible
But I have no difficulty believing that Weiss is just petty and vindictive.
I’m not at all trying to defend Carroll’s alleged actions. But regardless of its veracity, I think Weiss’ accusation was a d*ck move. Attacking each others’ family lives is certainly not a direction that I want to see rivalries moving towards. At least not in the revelation phase.
It would be different if this were a story like Rick Pitino, and an affair was already public knowledge. Then if another coach wanted to utilize that information for their own gain, I would say it’s fair game. But for another coach to be the one leaking the affair to the press just doesn’t rub me the right way.
by insomniacslounge on Dec 5, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
If the NCAA did its job, it wouldn't have come to this
when people realize they are not competing on an even playing field, it is human nature for the desperate to resort to these measures out of frustration
I don't care if it's the last act of a desperate man or the first act of Henry V
It’s still crossing way over the line, in my opinion.
…Besides, Weiss’ allegations don’t refer to an uneven playing field. If that’s the direction he wanted to go, there are obvious, public Reggie Bush/wannabe agent/free room and board references to be made.
by insomniacslounge on Dec 5, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
The first act of Henry V is pretty good
And maybe the grad student is one of his children, and maybe his wife lives there, too.
I’ve been living with my accountant for 28 years. See, I just outed myself.
Cheatie Petie deserves all the scorn and derision that can be heaped on him, but not for this, or for what he reads, or for what movies he rents from Netflix or any of the rest of it. On the other hand, when you set up a website and label yourself a “humanitarian,” then you invite any comment to show that in fact you’re not.
On balance, I would not have made the comment (assuming it to be true.)
Fox is right
Petey opened himself up to this:
On the other hand, when you set up a website and label yourself a "humanitarian," then you invite any comment to show that in fact you’re not.
That’s spot on Fox. He’s opened the door by claiming himself to be a humanitarian. He wants people to see him as some kind of role model, so him stepping out on his wife is fair comment.
The MSM couldn’t help but fellate themselves when CRN got “busted” for gambling in an office March Madness pool (which I guarantee 95% of Americans participate in, so never mind the hypocrisy), despite the fact CRN was ultimately vindicated (a cool multi-million from UW is a good way to be vindicated) in his lawsuit.
Was it cool for Weis to call out Petey? No, it was a dick move and it did break one of those unspoken rules of Man Law.
That being said, why am I hearing about this from Bad Haircut? Why the hell hasn’t anyone in the MSM ran with this story? I mean, again, they can’t help themselves when it comes to Tiger’s “transgressions” but not a peep about Carroll doing it?
Maybe Carroll isn’t stepping out (although I wouldn’t be shocked if he was, since he’s a egomaniacal scumbag), but the rumor is out there, and a journalist should have taken it upon himself or herself to investigate and get to the bottom of the story. You know, actually do their friggin’ job.
Wouldn't count on it
Journalists are probably working on their next heart-warming segment on ‘Pete the Humanitarian’. You know, the coach who likes to hang around blind kids, devote his time to inner-city youths, wipe out world hunger, etc. They would never, ever, ever want to tarnish such a generous high-character guy like Pete!
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Wow, two Blazing Saddles References in one week...
Yours and my “Laurel and Hardy Handshake” line to our new moderator. :) Nice!
I agree with you. It is over the line. Weis should have limited his comments to Petey’s on-field life. I can’t believe I’m defending Cheaty Petey!
I hope you son is doing better.
I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
Can there ever be enough Blazing Saddles references?
As far as Weis’s statement, I have to echo much of what is being said here – I don’t know why he would make such an accusation, and don’t think it is something that he needed to put out there. Now that it is out there, it is as much a mark on Weis as it is on Petey (if true). If Weis was talking out of his ass, and nothing in fact supports his accusation, then Charlie has made a strong entry in the Jackass of the Year competition (again, threatening Petey’s domination of the award).
formerly bruinhoo
this has been rumored for years
but nobody has looked into it…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 5, 2009 10:09 PM PST reply actions
I wonder who feels more betrayed
His wife, Bill Plaschke, or his new best buddy, Matt Barkley?
by insomniacslounge on Dec 5, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
If Barkley were a graduate student
based on how PC looks lovingly at him, I would guess Barkley was shacking up with him in the malibu house…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 5, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Here’s a reference from early 2007 and another from late 2008. Nothing substantiated in either case (actually it looks like the source of the first rumor took down the post).
by SuperBruinMan on Dec 6, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
Please
Be true. Does anyone else feel like Petey’s whole world is starting to crumble? This will be fun to watch.
the double edged sword of journalism.
If Cheat Carroll is separated from his wife and/or moving towards a divorce this becomes an invasion of his private life.
If he is in fact still “happily married” this is a valid news stories. Much like Tiger’s indiscretions, Clinton’s internship, or Kobe’s “did he, or didn’t he?” this reflects on a public figure.
Personally, I find it hard to believe he would be living in one house while his wife lived in another and suspected nothing.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
reflection
It’s kind of a reflection on the classiness of their team and $C as a whole. Well done Cheatey Carroll.
It's an unfair hypothetical posed by Weiss
Asking what the media response would be in South Bend. There’s no way Charlie could ever have an affair since it’s impossible to find his penis.
(cuz he’s fat, you see)
(hope I didn’t put the image of a naked Weiss in your head….you’ll be having nightmares for weeks)
by insomniacslounge on Dec 5, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions
Imagine that video
Now, instead of the badgers, imagine a field of naked Weises, all bouncing up and down. I won’t suggest what the lyrics would say.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
you asked for this
BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER!
Go Bruins!
You are out of line, sir
Potential inflictions of said images into the heads of your fellow Bruins is intolerable.
That's breaking man law.
Cold move, Weis… even if true.
by bruinhoya on Dec 5, 2009 11:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Truth is a defense
The truth is that if Weis was sleeping with a graduate student in South Bend, it would be news. A major factor contributing to its newsworthiness would be he coached at a denominational school and the ultimate supreme allied commander of Notre Dame is the Pope and he doesn’t even cuss—perceived hypocrisy drives newsworthiness.
As to whatever his name is (I will not say his name in public particularly around children, instead when I am with young boys and girls, I just say “that bastard” but if it’s true, I will start calling him "Malibu Pete"), I don’t know if it’s true nor much care but that grad student’s degree—if it’s from the place he “coaches”—it cost too much and it is of no value. And if its true, may I take sisterhood moment to say to this grad student—yeech!
And I hope it’s not true. But if its true, it explains some of his (not Weis’s, but the other guy—I still won’t say his name) coaching inadequacies of late. Some guys will not man up and admit this but often a married dude (or woman) whose marriage unwinds loses effectiveness in the workplace. No doubt, someone released from an unhappy marriage can find real happiness but when a long marriage ends and there are kids in the mix, often there is a decrease in work productivity. I have heard these rumors for some time but like I say, I hope it isn’t true. He should be held accountable for a thoroughly corrupt program and the potential failure of his marriage should be viewed for what it would be if it is true—very sad.
Charlie Weis has taken a lot of abuse
from the media and people who generally hate the Irish. That is a lot of abuse.
Now contrast that with how Peatie has been lionized by the media (e.g. 60 minutes, LA Slimes, etc.). The hypocrisy of that arrangement probably eats at Weis who tried his damnedest for his school. For this he and his family were mercilessly ridiculed. I can see many people losing it and letting one fly over such a double standard.
Yes, sour grapes. Crossed some proverbial line? Please.
Troy HAS fallen...again, again, and again.
Personal Lives
In my opinion: Calling out Carroll’s lack of class as a coach is fine, more than substantiated and all in good fun of the rivalry. I’ve read every blog entry here on all sports for awhile and just recently created an account and will probably rarely post anything. But in light of all the celebrity gossip going around, I certainly hope this blog doesn’t resort to taking shots at the personal lives of high profile figures no matter where they are from or who they represent. In addition to their duties as athletes, coaches, etc these guys are expected and do take large parts in charities and community service to give and help out the less fortunate yet everyone looks to take shots at them and dig up any bit of dirt possible. Attacking the coach and all the posts on how he runs up scores are entertaining and fun to go into and read but I really hope you guys don’t run up a post count on a topic like this. Maybe I’m wrong though.
by NoOceanJustLakers on Dec 6, 2009 1:03 AM PST reply actions
Good point but
You are right but the reality is that Weis, his wife, and his children had to put up with unfair coverage, something the entire USC institution has been given a pass on. You can make the case that Weis should have passed on the personal attack. Rather, he should have faced up to the fact he failed to win (except against us) and became a very rich man doing it. But he did take the shot and the fact he did a lot of people would argue speaks less favorably of him. And like I said, this is all so sad.
Last point, you said you would rarely post anything—please reconsider—what you said has depth. This is a difficult subject—should alleged personal failure be discussed especially in the face of indisputable evidence of corruption and inadequate press coverage of a lawless athletic department? I guess it gets discussed but there is disagreement about what it means. Mixed in there is Weis’s unbecoming bitterness. Bruins need to speak out—so should you.
And we ain’t all guys.
by peggysue69 on Dec 6, 2009 1:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I second
all of peggysue69’s points. I agree that there’s no reason to bash Petey wrt the current allegations. I’m all for journalistic investigations of it to determine its truthfulness before any bashing may occur. (Everyone please note the “-ic” – I’m not expecting the MSM to do a blasted thing about this, but others can investigate with the ‘just the facts’ mindset a journalist should have.)
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formerly AZBruin
Alright, I’ll try to give my 2cents
by NoOceanJustLakers on Dec 6, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Petey ran up the score on ND a few times
I guess this is what you get…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
Running up the score
Yeah, and here’s to us paying this guy back, not with cheesy innuendo, but with a defeat in the Rose Bowl next December. Running up the score can be very expensive!
by peggysue69 on Dec 6, 2009 1:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If this is true with Petey,
I can’t really lose any more respect for him—I have none. But now if he has failings in his personal life, I might just have to stoop into the negative.
However, I think this whole situation (if true) is representative of the failing institute of marriage in our country. I hate seeing the middle aged men leaving their wives in some mid-life crisis, and then going out chasing young females just to prove to themselves how young they are. It’s pathetic. And all too common.
I know my generation gets a lot of flak, some of it deservedly so, but I hope in the future that we do not repeat the failings of men (and some women) who think it’s acceptable for this kind of thing to go on. If marriage is treated like a joke, that’s all it will become.
Sorry for the slightly ot rant, but this irks me.
Cheatey denies the allegation
Carroll The Douchebag denies Weis’ claim in the LAT:
Carroll said in a telephone interview that he was apprised of the report by Tim Tessalone, USC’s sports information director.
It’s untrue, it’s irresponsible and it’s incredible he’d be talking about me like that," Carroll said of Weis.
Whatever. True or not, he’s still a douchebag and so is Barkley.
Scoreboard, Matt. You have to actually throw the ball at the end of the game to give your thugs a chance to win.
I would believe PCs denials more
If there were one instance of wrongdoing in his life or program that he came forward with without first being called out by the media, and second denying it.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Dec 6, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
IF this isn't true, why doesn't he start throwing the "s" word around?
I would, at the very least, make a threat of suing someone for slander whether or not I thought it would be legally viable.
More Denials.
ESPN is basically just repeating the LAT blurb.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Matt the Stat
Barkley thought it was the Statue of Liberty play (excuse me, that is always preceded with the word “old”, so make that the “old statute of liberty play.” So he stood there like a statue. You can knock Matt the Stat all you want, but you can’t say he gets rid of the ball too early.
The best revenge
is to beat sc on the playing field, to wipe the smirk off cheatey’s face and to have him rush off the field rather than shake hands.
We did that with 13-9 and it was priceless.
I get no pleasure out of what Weiss did. It was classless.
Point at the dirty program — fair game.
But, we all know that the NCAA is giving sc a pass.
Whine about it? No. We’ve done enough of that.
The solution is to prove my mother right.
When I was a kid she taught me “Cheaters never prosper.”
Lets’ beat his program built on cheating. That will be all the revenge I want.
sjh
Another rumor to add it.
Sorry ‘66, don’t mean to high jack your response, this just like an appropriate place to put it.
The best revenge is to beat sc on the playing field, to wipe the smirk off cheatey’s face and to have him rush off the field rather than shake hands.
A FaceBook friend is telling me that it happened again last night after the loss to Arizona. It is unclear whether it was Arizona that refused to shake hands or USC that showed poor sportsmanship (again).
Can anybody confirm or deny this, and if so, on who’s part?
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Arizona blogs should have commentary, if true
Heading out soon so can’t check them now – may possibly have time to check them out later if another BN reader hasn’t done so by then.
formerly AZBruin
No mention on SBN's Arizona Desert Swarm or on RauRaur.com thus far.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
saw the end of the game
they did more than shake hands, they gave the little manly half-hug thing and were both smiling. Didnt look like sour grapes to me.
I despise Cheatey as much as anyone
but this is a classless, douchey, extremely immature move by Weis.
Weis and Cheatey, they deserve each other.
It is fair game and I believe Weis' allegation..
Because it gets to the heart of Pete Carroll’s corrupt and immoral character.
He is a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder. You can make your own diagnosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder ), but I will present just a small amount of clinical evidence.
1. He uses people then discards them when they are no longer useful (remember Mark Sanchez – http://www.examiner.com/x-426-Sports-Examiner~y2009m1d15-Pete-Carroll-embarrasses-himself-at-Mark-Sanchez-press-conference ).
He would even uses rapists and child molesters on his team to get what he wants (remember Frostee Rucker and the rest of the USC rapists – http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/archives/2006/07/order-in-the-co.html and http://www.fanblogs.com/usc/007003.php).
2. He has lied repeatedly in the press and to students, even to the point of getting recruits to lie for him (remember Joe Mcknight – http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=pete%20carroll%20penalty%20rose%20bowl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=pete+carroll+mcknight+recruiting+violation&hl=en&view=2&emb=0&qvid=pete+carroll+mcknight+recruiting+violation&vid=-6274822723138585278).
3. He has boasted that rules do not apply to him as he did trying to explain why it was okay to taunt UCLA and arouse his team to do the same last week.
He recently said, "Last year in the Rose Bowl the officials told us at halftime if we continue to celebrate as much on the sidelines they were going to call a 15-yard penalty on us," Carroll said. "And I blew it because I wanted to make them call that penalty. "I wish we would have done it so they would have called the penalty on us, so we could have gotten penalized for having too much fun. Because I don’t understand that." (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/12/usc-football-pete-carroll-rick-neuheisel-trojans-bruins-notre-dame.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LAT_Sports_Blog+(The+Fabulous+Forum).
Unfortunately, he has been enabled by the entire USC institution and much of the local and national press.
I ask Pete Carroll’s defenders and apologists: when, in the history of college football, have you ever seen a coach want the officials to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty?
No. Pete Carroll cannot understand why rules should apply to him. This is classic narcissistic personality disorder.
The reason he has been so successful is that he found the perfect academic (I use that word very loosely) institution that allowed him to cheat, lie, and hide is corrupt behavior.
The shame is that the USC administration and alumni cannot see this. Their institution will suffer greatly for it in the long run.
I really don't enjoy soliciting this
I mean, it’s one thing to rip Peter for being classless, but to go investigating to see if he’s cheating on his wife is a completely different..and well classless act. It isn’t classy to plunge into this, I’ll just let my trusty LA Times writers clear up everything!
Back in business
by ucla13_usc9 on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions
A team
takes on the personality of its coach. While I don’t consider this to be any Earth-shattering revelation about a guy I already consider to be a classless, arrogant prick, I think it is relevant to note that this program has had more than its share of rape allegations and lewd conduct (Thugaluga’s grinding of Erin Andrews comes to mind). Coincidence? Hardly.
His players (and most of trOJan nation, for that matter) lack class and integrity. Just like their coach.
It will be fun beating them next year at the Rose Bowl.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Still...
Even though I cannot stand the disreputable, unsportsmanlike jackass, I cannot honestly say that I think this is a “fair game” issue. Unless this (alleged) relationship is with a grad student somehow associated with the NCAA, some sports agent or another, or one of the scholie players, I don’t think this is any of my business. Decidedly unsavory, etc., if true, but not fair game for me to judge. If U$C’s administration, alumni, fans or students choose to be concerned about this alleged behavior on the part of their football coach, then so be it, but I cannot put this one in my arsenal, even if it’s true.
Pete Carroll is a poor sport, a cheater, narcissistic, immature, and irrepsonsible. He is positively reprehensible, whether he is shacked up with a grad student or not.
Love My Bruins
This is a character and image issue
so it most definitely is fair game. You can bet the PR department at Southern Cal are working diligently in spinning this issue as some sort of sour grapes comment from an ousted rival coach bent on revenge.
When you are in the public eye and pass yourself off as some sort of humanitarian, you open yourself up to things of this nature.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
We Simply
disagree on that point. Adultery is not illegal, and even though it is still called “cheating” in the vernacular, if he has done this, he has broken no rule except his marriage vows. His “character,” as it pertains to his role as a college football coach, has, frankly, already been fully and aptly defined by his conduct therein. (He’s a completely classless a**hole. The hypocrisy of his “humanitarian” label has been shown again and again, within his role as a football coach.)
His image is, in my opinion, the concern of his family, friends, employer, and that wider group who define themselves as U$C supporters & minions. The public image of Peatie’s private life doesn’t concern me, because I have no investment in the man.
(What would happen if every college coach who had an affair during his or her tenure was publicly called out?)
Indeed, as Chicago Bruin and Barnes2JJ point out, the part of the allegation which should concern U$C the most is the statement that the other involved party is a grad student.
Love My Bruins
Sexual relations with a student by staff or faculty...
is probably the one violation by Pete Carroll against university regulations that even the USC Administration could not ignore.
If it is true that Pete Carroll had an affair with a student, the USC Academic Faculty Senate will demand his dismissal by the Administration.
The university faculty is the last bastion of decency as they would not want Pete’s misbehavior to reflect on their academic reputations.
After all, USC is supposed to be an institute of higher learning and not just LA’s only professional football team, isn’t it?
Really, I’m serious.
I think this is the bigger issue
Also, note that Weis insinuated that Cheatey was living with this grad student in Malibu. Cheatey denied this.
But there is internet speculation galore (and I will emphasize that this is all speculation at this point) that Cheatey had an affair with a grad student while he was married. That does not necessarily mean he lived or is living with someone in Malibu.
Also, Cheatey might not want to file a slander lawsuit about this because it might open up a huge can of worms.
Frankly, if he cheated on his wife, I don’t really care except that I would feel badly for his wife. It also would not surprise any of us because he really might be the world’s biggest douchebag.
Also,
Most universities have rules against sexual relations between faculty and students to protect students from unscrupulous faculty.
Faculty can have a lot of influence over students, especially when they can make or break someone’s future career with unfair grading or recommendations.
Also, universities want to protect themselves from legal recourse by students that have been taken advantaged of or harrassed.
Student-faculty relationship
Chi-Bruin:
Your point about the illegality of faculty student relationships, twice made, is one of the most important points raised so far. This type of conduct IS AGAINST THE LAW. But I am still waiting for evidence—evidence I hope I never see. But your legal analysis is right on.
And let’s keep our eye on the ball—revenge in the Rose Bowl next December.
Go Bruins!
by peggysue69 on Dec 6, 2009 12:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not against the law...
But such relations are against the rules at many universities, for the reasons that Chi-Bruin points out above.
formerly bruinhoo
I heard
That most universities have policies that prohibit professors from dating undergrads. I’m not sure the same rules apply to grad students.
At any rate, I wouldn’t put it past him but until I hear otherwise, this is a rumor and nothing more.
Troy HAS fallen...again, again, and again.
by Bruins102NCAA on Dec 7, 2009 3:30 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with Peggysue...
Ultimately, our best revenge against Pete Carroll’s thug-filled team will be on the field.
Also, I really appreciate your desire to see more evidence before deciding on Pete Carroll’s guilt or innocence.
However, I have been watching Charlie Weis from Chicago for five years and I have never seen him lie. He is the most arrogant coach I have ever seen and basically tells the press how he really feels. I don’t know why he would make such a damning allegation without some inside knowledge.
On the other hand, Pete Carroll is a pathological liar.
by Chicago Bruin on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW, I just spoke to a faculty member at USC
And she told me that there are not any explicit rules preventing faculty from dating students, however the practice is strongly discouraged by the university president. However, that likely wouldn’t apply to Carroll since I don’t believe he is technically faculty anyway.
by insomniacslounge on Dec 6, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention ...
even if these allegations are true, it might not be a $uc graduate student he’s living with.
And also not to mention ...
even if the allegations are true, and even if the bimbette were a just$c* grad student, and even if there were “university” regulations against it, and even if there were a Penal Code section against it, any person who reported those charges would immediately be excoriated and excommunicated because Cheatie Petie is not subject to anyone’s else’s artificial rules and can do whatever he wants, and anyway, anyone who makes those kinds of allegations is probably a felon and certainly has a book deal cooking, and probably a reality show with Bravo in the works.
To get some perspective on this...
Typically (and I’m pretty sure this is the way it is here at UCLA as well), faculty/staff at large universities are “strongly discouraged”/prohibited from engaging in relationships with students directly under their authority, i.e. their students. For example, as a TA, I would be looked poorly upon/probably fired for having a relationship with one of my undergrad students while I was serving in the capacity of her TA, since it is a position of authority. Were I to hook up with a north campus student, there would not be similar repercussions (except from my girlfriend :P)
It’s a hard line to draw, but I haven’t seen many universities that don’t at least try, especially those of comparable size to $UC.
My thoughts
I have zero interest in speculating on something like this. It is very personal and I wish it never came up. Normally, this is the type of thing that I don’t want to see on BN. We should stick to things that go on on the field and not get into people’s personal lives.
This is the exception though and not because it’s Carroll. One high profile coach has levied this against another so either Carroll has done something that will tarnish his image and hurt his recruiting/team or Weis is coming out of nowhere with this and is the sport’s biggest jackass. I won’t pretend to know whether this is true or not so I won’t make a claim one way or the other, but this is the rare personal situation worth discussing because it was brought up publicly by another coach. We must tread lightly though, as N did.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 6, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions
Yep
Not interested in writing more about this unless more facts come out. This was made a story by Charlie Weis, not us. That said, I do believe the traditional media should be looking into this story a bit more instead of just accepting the standard denial from Pete Carroll.
I think the real story...
…is why no one in the SoCal MSM has taken it upon themselves to either confirm or dispel the speculation on this issue. I always thought journalists were supposed to investigate such things and report on whether it panned out or not. You know, report the news, do a little investigative journalism, etc.
But alas, I forget, that in SoCal, all you need to do is string together a bunch of nonsensical one sentence paragraphs about ridiculous bullshit and you can collect an easy paycheck. That’s the Splashme playbook, after all.
The fact that Bad Haircut is the first to put this in the public spotlight says a lot about the MSM in Southern California. It may not be a big story, and Petey’s personal life shouldn’t be in the spotlight, but someone in the MSM, at some point in time, should have looked into it, wrote something on it, and put it to rest, one way or the other.
Upon further review, the call out by Weis stands
It’s likely that no one who regularly contributes to the BN is a public figure in a general sense or in the sense that the terrm is used in the law of defamation. When some ordinary Joe or Josephine has his or her dirty laundry displayed by some third party without his consent, then that’s going too far.
Cheatie Petie is not some ordinary schmoe. He is a public figure. He has taken no steps to back away from that public persona. To the contrary, he seems to make extraordinary efforts to cultivate his public persona. I can’t believe that Cheatie didn’t know about the stupid “Humanitarian” description before it was posted. Cheatie obviously endorsed that description of himself.
If it’s a private person, I’m outraged by the publication of this information. But not with a public figure, and certainly not with a public figure who has held himself out to be a great “humanitarian.”
I agree with Weis.
Now, we’ll wait for the fishwrap and its intrepid staff of journalistic detectives to get to the bottom of this. My bet is that they don’t bother to see if there is any truth to the allegation, but simply kill the messenger. You got bad news about the trOJies? Write it down and slip it under the door, otherwise, you get shot.
Now, now, now
Nobody’s gonna get shot. These dudes (and I use the terminology “dude” in an entirely gender neutral fashion) at the Times are pro-gun control fanatics. If you were to tell these hapless scriveners to pull a trigger, they would think they had just been instructed to get Roy Rogers’ horse out of his stable.
But your analysis of public versus private is excellent. I just hope it isn’t true. I just don’t wish this all too prevalent failure on his family.
Go Bruins!
by peggysue69 on Dec 6, 2009 1:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
tWWL: Weis apogizes to Petey
Claims that his words regarding Carroll were taken out of context by reporters.
formerly bruinhoo
Either Weis is a complete idiot
or he is backtracking to protect “the code”. Given the lack of depth of investigative journalism of the Humanitarian that we’ve seen, I suspect that this story is now officially dead.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
IMPaulv, the "he" in your statement may be the reporter.
First, remember the confession in “My Cousin Vinny?” That could be the case here.
Context No. 1: The question is “What do you think about Cheatie Petie?” Weis said “Cheatie Petie is living with a grad student,” and the reporter wrote it down exactly as Weis said it.
Context No. 2: The question is “Are coaches affected by rumors?” Weis said "Yes. If I wanted to start a rumor, all I would have to say is something like ‘Cheatie Petie is living with a grad student,’ and then the internet would have a field day, blah, blah, blah. If the reporter only took the “Cheatie Petie is living with a grad student,” then the idiot would surely be the reporter.
But all that begs the question at this point. Is there any truth to the rumor that Cheatie Petie was carrying on with a student? We will obviously never get the answer to that question, since it appears to have been left to the crack journalistic team at the fishwrap. They’re still trying to figure out who was driving the White Bronco in the low-speed OJ pursuit.
What if?
I don’t want to cast any ideas here, but, who said that the grad student was a girl? I don’t think Weiss would just come out and say something like that if there were nothing to back it up. Just wondering? In the Times or the Register over the weekend, one of the writers said that he asked Pom Pom if he had taken out adoption papers for Matt Barkley yet.
The writer
The writer also referred to Barkley as Pete’s “wannabe son”.
by Forever a Bruin on Dec 7, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions
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