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I've been a follower here on BN for the past couple of years, as I find it a very good website to keep up with the news of my Bruins while I don't have the time to search all over the internet. The past game I've seen has created a lot of problems between Student and Alumni participation for games.

I know I will most likely take a lot of flack for this, but I did have tickets to the game against Kansas, and I am an huge fan of not just UCLA Basketball but sports in general as I've attended most sporting events while I've been a student here. My reasons however for not going were not at all based upon whether its an up or down year, but it is finals week and I'm at the level of being terrified of my tests. I am in my last quarter and am a Microbiology, Immunology, and Molecular Genetics (Say that three times fast) student and am taking my class which culminates my major, which is Immunology. It is regarded as one of the hardest classes in my major and I am in the major with the lowest average GPA on campus and if you don't believe any of that, look at what the professor for my class has authored rather recently:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-researchers-demonstrate-that-149694.aspx

Star-divide

That's purely my reason for not BEING able to as opposed to not attending, is it an excuse? Yeah clearly it is, and I'm sure that's how a majority of you will view it, do I regret it? Not in the slightest.

Now here this is purely based upon speculation that will allow me to show how to increase attendance.

After my first year here, it was said the not just UCLA but the whole UC system would raise its minimum accepted GPA from High Schools, and I feel that has changed much of the demographic of the "average" UCLA student, who clearly are much smarter and have a heavy leaning toward studies as opposed to sporting attendance. As a member of on campus Greek Life, I have literally seen the shift of the motives of the majority of males who attend school here, and by that I mean significantly less motivation toward socializing behavior, I'm not saying that all people who are social are Greeks here, but its not unreasonable to associate the two and I have seen the number of males who choose to be in greek life dwindle and dwindle throughout the whole coucil.Yet the female Greek community has had a huge spike of attendance, almost completely unprecedented, which led to me to look up the statistical break down of Male vs. Female acceptance of the school and saw about a 10% skew towards females. I'm not a misogynist, but I know for a fact that the collection of women I know, I'm currently dating one and live with two, have very little interest in sports in general to the extent that they make statements such as, "I didn't know we had a basketball game" yet... they do have the ticket plans and do receive emails about basketball games.And I know for a fact that this can only continue to snowball, as the years go on.

I know it is all speculation which my arguments are based upon, but I don't feel as a whole they're entirely farfetched.

 

Solutions:

For basketball, we should URGE the CTO to allow tickets to be transferrable, not specifically physical tickets, but there should be a system where students will be able to simply enter in our BruinCard University ID codes into the system and then transfer it to another student's BruinCard by simply entering their ID. This should be heavily supported by the system in general to increase student attendance, and to ensure this happens UCLA should set up a StubHub type website to mediate the exhange of ticket sales. This whole campus has gone digital, all the way to the hospital, so therefore I know for a fact that this could happen technologically.

 

For Football, everyone knows that getting to the Rose Bowl is a pain, and having to deal with obtaining tickets to ride on the supplied buses is tough in itself, therefore I feel we should include the Bus fees in the fees of the Den Packages, therefore it cuts out a huge middle man and encourages students to go. But more importantly I feel one of the most important aspects of getting to the Rose Bowl is tailgating at the Rose Bowl, the Den should help supply a place for the students to not only hang out there, but for all intents and purposes get drunk there. I have seen a Den tailgate area, and I know for a fact they supplied alcohol when I attended the 13-9 Rose Bowl game against $C.Therefore, the Den can be in large scale force and be as loud as we can, or as much as we can remember.

 

In general, I feel the whole demeanor of the students of this campus has been toned down DRAMATICALLY. From schools across the country I hear stories about how their Orientations are complete rival school hate fests, and I personally WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT! I hated my oritentation here, it taught me very little about the school, prepared me even less for what was to come and the spirit section of the school other than teaching me what an 8-Clap is and haphazardly doing so. So I definitely feel that this needs to be changed around in the hopes to change around the spirit of our school and pride as Bruins.

 

Take this in gest, or however you please, but thanks for your time.

GO BRUINS

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so what you mean to say is hit on those frosh UCLA students to get their tickets. I’m sure I can get a fake UCLA Student ID made somewhere in LA. GENIUS! :-)

by impaulv on Dec 9, 2009 1:57 AM PST reply actions  

Agree that the whole deamenor of students has changed in the last 4 years

I’ve also seen a dramatic shift in the attitudes of UCLA students over the last 4 years. UCLA has a massive student population so it’s always difficult to get a grasp on the overall feel of the students, but looking at my fraternity helps me create a smaller viewing pool. Now, i understand that each year brings in a new class with a unique make-up of students, but the trend is leaning towards students that are less likely to attend sporting and social events. I don’t know if it’s a lack of pride, increased sense of nervousness regarding school performance, or inherent social characteristics, but something is doing it. It has become harder and harder to get guys to come to official fraternity meetings and campus activities. During my freshmen year, people didn’t see meetings and sports games as “required events.” We WANTED to go to these things because it was enjoyable and we were proud to experience it. Hell, it is now getting to a point where it’s hard getting enough guys to make a respectable showing at sorority events. My personal opinion is that a lot of students coming in are too immature and don’t understand self-accountability. I see young students all the time making excuses that they have “school work” when I know they were wasting time earlier that day or the day before. This is college. it went by too fast. You can’t be wasting opportunities. Get your work done and go have a great time with your buddies/gals rooting on your team.

by podas okus Achilleus on Dec 9, 2009 2:02 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with the dream of transferring tickets. I would be at every single game if I had won the lottery!

by vcarter706 on Dec 9, 2009 3:32 AM PST reply actions  

Do you have data you can point to to support your speculation?

Before accepting your “solution” we need actual data that supports your contention of what exactly the problem is at UCLA?

You wrote:

After my first year here, it was said the not just UCLA but the whole UC system would raise its minimum accepted GPA from High Schools, and I feel that has changed much of the demographic of the “average” UCLA student, who clearly are much smarter and have a heavy leaning toward studies as opposed to sporting attendance.

How the heck do you support that? Do you have numbers that support your argument that the demographic of “average” UCLA student has changed from 1991 (when UCLA was a top-20 academic institution) to 2009 (when UCLA dropped to top-25)? If you have them, let’s see the numbers before running with your speculation.

You wrote:

As a member of on campus Greek Life, I have literally seen the shift of the motives of the majority of males who attend school here, and by that I mean significantly less motivation toward socializing behavior, I’m not saying that all people who are social are Greeks here, but its not unreasonable to associate the two and I have seen the number of males who choose to be in greek life dwindle and dwindle throughout the whole coucil.

Uh, how did you notice the shift in “motives”? Your personal experience? Do you have anything more than anecdotes or your own speculation?

Then you went on to postulate:


I’m not a misogynist, but I know for a fact that the collection of women I know, I’m currently dating one and live with two, have very little interest in sports in general to the extent that they make statements such as, “I didn’t know we had a basketball game” yet… they do have the ticket plans and do receive emails about basketball games.And I know for a fact that this can only continue to snowball, as the years go on.

So you are generalizing again based on a girl you are dating and your room-mates?

You will have to do better than that if you want to advance your arguments here. If you are just going to identify problems/issues based on speculation formed by your personal observations, then you might as well not share it here. This is not the place to throw out generalizations without offering data to support them. You can always try that out on some message board where no one is going to ask you for actual numbers and facts.

by Nestor on Dec 9, 2009 5:17 AM PST reply actions  

As for admissions

Admissions is extremely competitive, which those of us as alums can attest to.

UCLA for fall of 2009 received 55,000 applicants. From there, they accepted about 12,000, and matriculated nearly 4500.
The average GPA for admitted students was 4.35 weighted. Unweighted it was 3.86.
The average SAT Score was around 2000, each section being scored in the high 600’s.

Going back to 1998, which is all that’s on the website
The university received nearly 33,000 applicants, accepted 10,000ish, and they do not provide a number of students that matriculated.
The average GPA for admitted students was 4.17, the unweighted was 3.73.
The average SAT score was in the mid to high 600’s for each section (since there were only two sections back then.)

In the last ten years, the type of student the university is admitting is the same – good academics, lots of honors/AP classes, good grades. It’s just that it is more competitive than ever. It’s not just 20 students in each school doing everything – now it feels like almost half the campus at the hyper competitive high schools.

I volunteer at college fairs representing UCLA. The parents that come up and ask questions about how to get their child into UCLA is nearly ridiculous. I thought I was pretty involved in high school, the kids now have it even worse. Although UCLA has comprehensive review, where all aspects of the application is reviewed, and read at least two times, there will still be an emphasis on GPA and test scores for a lot of the class.

http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof.htm
http://statfinder.ucop.edu/

The minimum GPA to be UC eligible is 3.0 in state, 3.4 out of state. If the state continues to have budget problems, they may consider upping the number of out of state students admitted, or… maybe even upping the min GPA’s. You never know.

by freesia39 on Dec 9, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Now we are getting somewhere

Thanks freesia for sharing those. Those are definitely helpful in terms of telling us something about changing demographics in UCLA students strictly in terms of academic credentials.

Now it would be cool to numbers on other two factors BruinClassof09 identified on the post. Ideally it should have been him looking them up before speculating here on BN.

by Nestor on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Make Time for What's Important

The date of this game and the dates of finals are fixed before the start of the school year. If going to the UCLA-Kansas basketball game at Pauley is important, as it would be to any self-respecting Bruin student athletic fan, that student, especially being a senior student, would have marked the date on the calendar and prepared ahead of time so that the two measly hours it would take to attend the game wouldn’t be the “make or break” two hours needed to do well on their final.

Sorry, but I don’t have any sympathy here.

by snorkeldorf on Dec 9, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions  

I was able to attend sporting events and also study for my tests…and I was an engineering student. It’s called “time management.” If my dumb ass can do it, so can everyone else.

I do like your solutions to the ticket problem, and I agree with your take on the student population. UCLA is becoming a nerd-fest.

by hicalliber on Dec 9, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions  

No kidding

I was pre-med (and so was Nestor before he saw the light…TRAITOR! :) ), AND I was on the rowing team. Give me a break. I know not everyone studies the same way, but puh-lease! If you have to study that much, you’re doing something wrong. If you’re cramming right before finals week, you’re probably doing something wrong. Sheesh.

It’s a massive problem and it can’t be blamed solely on the students. UCLA has to do a better job of, first, not scheduling such a huge game right before finals (duh!), but also of promoting the idea that Basketball and Football games are an important part of the college experience! We don’t need nerdy drones out in society (well, we need a few), but people who have passion and a thirst for life.

As for the nerd-fest…it has been happening for a long time. We thought that way back in the early 90’s, with more and more crackdowns on parties and students who couldn’t care less about sports.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 9, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The crackdown on Undie Run tonight

could be massive, now that it’s no longer sanctioned by the university.

The crackdown on Black Sunday though… I remember that from my 4th year.

by freesia39 on Dec 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

That was so sad when they got rid of Black Sunday

the Greek system at UCLA is a sad skeleton of what it used to be…

by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 9, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, but...

…no sympathy for the greek system on my part. Most of what has happened to them is their own damn fault, and it has had repercussions on the rest of the campus. I’m sure Nestor can remember some of the scandals that rocked the campus in the early 90’s. Some people probably have positive experiences there, but mine have been distasteful to say the least.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 10, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

full disclosure

I wasn’t a Greek though…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 10, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember those too

However, I always fell somewhere in the middle on it. Guess I found a way to mingle through all the major communities at UCLA [or read … free beer :)] Plus, our sororities were pretty incredible.

Anyway, the major bond that threaded all my circles together was sports. It sound so cliche but it really brought lot of us together and till today when I talk to my UCLA friends, the first topic is always football and hoops. It’s a powerful connection that I can’t describe enough in words.

by Nestor on Dec 10, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

For some it was DURING finals.

Gotta love the Sunday finals at UCLA. Ugh. #thingsidontmissaboutcollegeatall

Go Bruins!

by Harsha on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Coming from an Oregon State student

We have about half the student population (graduate and undergrad) as you, yet continually have one of the largest student populations at sporting events in the Pac10. Our student section at football games is about 7,000, and sells out every game (even when the stadium itself doesn’t).

I have heard of plenty of issues of student seating at a number of colleges, especially Oregon. The common denominator seems to be a complicated ticketing system, which doesn’t sound like its any better at UCLA.

Oregon State’s solution? Student tickets are not only free (paid for through fees), but also on a first come, first serve basis. As the actual product has gotten better, the university has seen a spike in recent alumni season ticket sales (this is specifically related to football). Part of that is the experience of going to the games, which is something I’ll always remember. It may sound pathetic, but I don’t know if I’ll ever have more fun than being drunk at a football game, standing in a student section, surrounded by my peers, who are also blitzed, and rooting on the Beavs. I’ll continue to attend games next year even after graduation, and while I will enjoy the games, it won’t be the same experience.

Ultimately, I feel like UCLA could do itself a lot of favors by letting anyone who wants a ticket, have a ticket. No complicated lotteries or anything like that (I’m not sure how it works). Don’t make it complicated to get a ticket. For us, getting a football ticket is as easy as going to Reser the Monday before the game, handing your student ID, done. Camping out has become the norm, and for a school with only 21,000 combined students, selling out 7,000 tickets has become easy. Not many schools can say that 1/3 of their students attend football games.

One other thing that I have heard from this post is the distance factor. I don’t personally know what its like to go from campus to the Rose Bowl, but it sounds like its a pain? Reser Stadium is on campus, a mere 15 minute walk from the farthest of the surrounding campus homes. Going to the game isn’t a planned event. Its very wake up, start drinking, head over to the game before kickoff. No planned “travel”, like it sounds what goes on at UCLA.

Just my random take

by The VD Special on Dec 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Gee, what a novel idea

An uncomplicated system.

No wonder Oregon State is on the rise (and congrats on a great season, by the way.) You get a lot of kids fired up, it fires the team up, the team starts winning (having a good coach and good players is helpful, of course), alumni start buying tickets, and it keeps going. UCLA is, of course, much smarter than OSU. We have a ticket system that Einstein couldn’t decipher, but it works well enough to prevent students from seeing games.

Back in the uncomplicated olden days, we had free tickets too. That system seemed to work, so naturally the bureaucrats started tinkering with it.

Good luck in your bowl, VD.

by Fox 71 on Dec 10, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

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