NYT: NCAA Conducting A "Wide-Ranging Investigation" Of Lane Kiffin
Bumped from December, 2009. GO BRUINS. -N
Looks like the spotlight is on Lane Kiffin's program again for not exactly football related reasons on the field:
The N.C.A.A. is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into the University of Tennessee’s football recruiting practices, according to interviews with several prospects, their family members and high school administrators. A significant part of the investigation is focused on the use of recruiting hostesses who have become folk heroes on Tennessee Internet message boards for their ability to help lure top recruits.
N.C.A.A. officials have visited four prospects and are scheduled to visit two others this week in an investigation covering at least three states. The inquiry is unusual in its scope and its timing. It is rare that the N.C.A.A. looks at this wide a swath of one university’s recruits before the players have signed with a program in February.
Tennessee Athletic Director Mike Hamilton confirmed that an investigation was under way but declined to elaborate.
"Typically, we do not comment on inquires that are in progress," he said Tuesday night in New York.
Since Tennessee Coach Lane Kiffin took over in December 2008 after being fired as the Oakland Raiders’ coach, the Volunteers have committed at least six secondary N.C.A.A. violations — unintentional violations that provide minimal recruiting or competitive advantage.
That was from the New York Times this am. It is interesting to me why NCAA is looking into Kiffin's program for this. I was under the impression that the aspect of "recruiting hostesses" was SOP for football programs all over the country (especially in SEC/Big-12 land).However, according to the article here is how the Tennessee hostesses might have gone the extra mile beyond the parameter of NCAA rules:
In one case, hostesses traveled nearly 200 miles to attend a high school game in South Carolina in which at least three Tennessee recruits were playing...The hostesses are considered representatives of the university, which would mean they could not recruit players off campus. Therefore, the visits may be considered violations of N.C.A.A. recruiting rules.
The article provided the following explanation on why Kiffin might be facing extra scrutiny:
Kiffin’s numerous secondary N.C.A.A. violations could be a factor or might have prompted the investigation.
"Secondaries mean something to the N.C.A.A.," Evrard said in a telephone interview. "It’s very telling if an institution continues to report secondaries particularly if they’re in the same category. If you keep doing the same thing over and over and keep reporting it, that would trigger the N.C.A.A.’s enforcement staff to possibly go in and look at some of that activity."
That raises the question once again where is the scrutiny on the program where Kiffin got his key college coaching experience (which he used to market himself into a head coaching job with the Raiders and subsequently the Volunteers)?
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"Recruiting hostesses?"
Of all the euphemisms I’ve heard, that one is about the best.
I saw no mention of “recruiting hosts.” I don’t fault Lame for noting that sex is a greater drawing card than beer when it comes to getting a young man’s attention. So now he gets to add another line to his resume: Head Coach in the NFL, Head Coach in D-1 College Football, and pimp.
OK, photo shop experts, it’s time to go to work on Lame in his pimpmobile.
And in all seriousness, I really feel bad for the Tennessee fans, getting stuck with this guy. Tennessee fans have class through and through. Lame has none. I hope they ditch him soon.
Not a fan of Lane BUT
Those TN fans should be wondering why the NCAA hasn’t showed the same kind of intensity investigating Lane’s old boss (where allegations of breaking rules were much more severe).
Oh, that's different
That’s just$c*, which owns the police and the ncaa investigators. The ncaa investigation rule regarding just$c* is to announce investigations, talk about investigations even though the only talk is that there can be no comment on on-going investigations, have committees regarding investigations, but never actually do any investigating and certainly never issue any punishment. Death Penalty to San Antonio State for institutional dope smuggling, war-mongering and child molestation in connection with the ping-pong team? Absolutely.
Maybe something can come out of that. Maybe some congressperson will say to the ncaa that until the ncaa goes after everyone equally, then congress will go after the ncaa. I’m sure there are perks that the ncaa gets that congress could take away in an instant.
Nestor, My Thought Exactly
They have enough on Bushgate and Mayogate that they need not “investigate” much farther. They have more than enough to do something, and they have not.
I don’t like Lane, either. But at some point some big school has to take a stand and argue “selective enforcement” or “discriminatory enforcement” and take the NCAA on.
I wonder if Lane doesn’t know these practices are wrong because he’s seen sc do them without punishment.
sjh
We also have girls that help recruit
I have a couple of female friends that hold similar positions at UCLA. They are assigned a recruit(s) and go along on the campus tours and to the Rose Bowl/Pauley with them. I forget what they’re called.
by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 9, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions
Lol
well, they’re definitely attractive. I’m going to ask one right now what they’re called. It’s a legit position that they put on their resumes
by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
difference
it’s on campus or Rose Bowl at a UCLA game, not off campus at the recruits’ high school game(s).
by maccabita4life on Dec 9, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Just sayin'
I have no problem wowing these 18 year old recruits with some of the good looking girls UCLA and the southland in general is famous for.
I remember Kevin Love mentioning California/UCLA girls, “Once I got to Southern California and saw really what California girls are, it’s pretty nice,’’ said Love, who grew up in Oregon.” http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040408aak.html
Definitely an asset, and glad we use it.
by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with recruits being greeted with our students
The question is whether our students were actually traveling to Lake Oswego to check out KL? I don’t think so.
I agree
Of course they weren’t. I just wanted to show that we also use attractive girls from the student body to aid in recruiting.
However, we follow the rules.
by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 9, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Well
Our entire school except the Southern part has attractive co-eds. ;-) So no one can blame us for our “natural” advantages.
C'mon now
you gotta let us outrank you somewhere…
by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
There were co-eds on South Campus???
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Math classes > Comp Sci Classes
Because there were more girls and of higher quality. How sad to be a CS major. D’oh!
Oh yes I did
since I was on South Campus…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Put your hands behind your back
Nestor, you are under arrest.
by peggysue69 on Jan 12, 2010 7:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Put your hands behind your back
Nestor, you are under arrest.
by peggysue69 on Jan 12, 2010 8:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think BBs did recruiting
IIRC from our days on campus, they were more of a community service oriented organization. I could be wrong.
What's that old saying, "The Fruit does not fall far from the Tree?"
This news only makes me wonder why no news has come out before this regarding SC’s use of “hostesses.” Since Lame seems to follow the Cheat Carroll playbook to instant success.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Two sides to every story
Hostesses are common in NCAA football recruiting. There is probably a bit more dedication from the hostesses in the south, but that goes across the board with the dedication for football in general in the south.
I’m no Lane Kiffin apologist, but I do follow Tennessee due to the way that their fans have treated us the past couple of years. Little Kiffin came out firing and disturbed the traditional south and powers at the NCAA. It seems like some well timed retribution to me.
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2009/12/09/ncaa-probes-tennessee-hostesses/
by AllHailMightyBruins on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions
Dedication =/= going 200 miles from Knoxville for a HS game
(allegedly). Do you really think that a hostess would decide on her own to go visit a recruit 200 miles away from campus? Even if she did, she is still representing the university, and that’s a violation.
I also find it a little hard to swallow that the NCAA got upset at Kiffin because he took on Florida and other SEC schools. I mean, this is the University of Tennessee we’re talking about, not some small program.
by Westwood Wizard on Dec 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
make no doubt about it
Blue and Gold does utilize some of the more attractive girls on campus to help with recruiting. The difference comes in like Nestor said they are not driving 200 miles to HS games. There were slight rumblings 2 years ago of a couple guys that wanted to join blue and gold but were turned down. They believed that it was because they were guys and not girls, but nothing ever happened.
It makes logical sense though. You’re recruiting teenage guys who would they rather see recruit them, a 6 foot 200lb guy or a cute girl?
My guess is that there would be a waiting list a mile long for that job
and that 99% of the guys who would be trying to recruit these young women would spend most of their time just drooling.
lol I hadn’t heard of guys ever wanting to join Blue and Gold, that’s pretty funny.
by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 10, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Let's not assume that all incoming male athletes are interested in girls
that’s a stereotype that we know is not true.
sjh
speaking to an $C alum last night
and she said that she had been a ‘hostess’ for $C at high school games, and that UCLA had been doing the same thing. (This would have been early 2000s; she also brought up the giving of vehicles to players)
If some of the details she gave me off the record are accurate, then any serious investigation of these Tennessee girls might end up knocking Tiger Woods news off the scandal pages.
Hostesses
I recruit graduating students annually at UT and I interviewed one of these hostesses a few years ago. She was bubbly and pretry of course! I think this was happening way before Lane got there and is something that happens alot in the South. I think, like others have noted, it’s because of other secondary violations that this investigation is happening at this point in time.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
and what was she willing to do for the job?
this whole thing is a pandora’s box, if they really get into it.
by britishbruin on Dec 10, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
this is highly entertaining
or unbelievable, re Kiffin’s response to the allegations
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4737332
I seem to recall an old website ......."SEC-EASTHostesses.Com
I think it cost $9.95/month for a membership …….but for that low low price, you got to see the what really went on at these “visits.” If memory served, crazy stuff went down in Columbia and Knoxville, and you can forget about Gainsville …… just goes to show that down in dixie they take god, guns and go gos very seriously.

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