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Dealing With The Ebb & Flow: Bruins Lose A Tough Game

Hopefully we will never have to hear from all UCLA haters and whiners about how Bruins get all the call (like we had to deal with last year) after tonight.

As expected Bruins had a battle in their hands when they took on the Sun Devils tonight at ASU. ASU threw everything they had and got a little assist from the SPTRs (non regulars can look up the term here on BN; it's easy) in the closing mins to pull out a win. The final score was 67-74 (box score).

Bruins fell behind early tonight by double digits after ASU came out hot from the 3 pt line. After playing some tough defense and great play from the bench late in the first half they pulled even at half (thanks to a clutch buzzer beating bomb from MR) and were leading most of the second half. Unfortunately just like the games against Washington and Texas things didn't turn our too well in the closing mins.

It got out of control in the closing mins when refs made probably the most questionable call of this regular season. As the Bruins were down by 1, DC drove the lane and converted on what should have been a 2 and 1:

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Photo Credit: AP Photo/Paul Connors

Instead the SPTRs called a charge and it pretty much was over after that.

Looking at the over all picture of this game the Devils deserved to win. They outrebounded us (24-18), racked up more assists (22-12) and shot better from the floor (60%-49%). JH had possibly the worst game of his UCLA career scoring exactly 0 points.

Still it would be nice if this conference could give us some competent referees. What happened towards the end was pretty ridiculous and its not the first time (nor will it be the last time) when SPTRS have had a direct impact on the result on the game.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. We have to go with the ebb and flow of the Pac-10 season. Losses like this happen and is not unexpected for a team full of freshmen. We are still tied for the conference lead and are in decent shape heading into rest of the season.

Our guys just have to keep at it. They need to come out and play better defense and get back their edge on defense on Saturday afternoon. For the bandwagoners and concern trolls, don't come back over here when things are rolling again. As for rest of us we have to stay even keeled through the ebb and flow of a Pac-10 season.

GO BRUINS.

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True that

No looking back. Just play to the best of your ability for the rest of the season and let things fall where they may. That being said, these FUCKING REFS SUUUUUUUCK!!!

by bruin8uclap on Feb 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tough game

ASU did outplay us today. When we didn’t get them to turn it over, the shot an amazing percentage. However, SPTR are the story yet again. Harden regularly got away with pushing off on offense, there was 2 terrible blocking calls on Aboya that should have been charges, and then when the SPTR got a chance to be consistent, they make the worst call of the season on DC. Unbelievable.

I cant wait for the NCAA tournament when we get competent refs.

by bruinponcho on Feb 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We Could Have Won It Outright

had it not been for the foul on Collison, and that other sequence when we basically dribbled away the seconds before Shipp hurriedly threw up a brick at the top of the key. Even the commentators wondered aloud on that one.

Well, this is precisely the type of tough losses that gained the team valuable experience for the tourney. We will do well.

by Htse005 on Feb 12, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you mean a charge

If DC got the blocking call, which would have been the correct one, UCLA probably would have won the game.

by UCLA4Life on Feb 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What do we do?

Besides complaining about the officiating on Bruins Nation…is there any action that we as fans can take to get the Pac-10 to address this?

by gradstudentbruin on Feb 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Is there anything we can do?

Of course I wrote to the Pac-10 last year complaining about Morris rearing back to throw at Aboya’s head and I got a snarky letter back saying the refs were on top of the play and called it correctly.

by Raisin on Feb 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

There is something we can do. With HD TV, we have all of these shitty calls by the SPTRs in crystal clear detail. I propose that we start compiling a “highlights” reel of every single shitty call. That way we can document how exactly the SPTRs put the “S” in SPTR. Maybe we can also compile the statistics of egregious calls by the SPTRs and add a number to the highlights.

by bruinbunz on Feb 12, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It'd be one thing if they were consistent about it

But Aboya did the exact same thing and was actually more set only a few minutes earlier and it was a block. And I couldn’t believe my ears hearing them complain about DC’s off arm when Harden was literally doing that every other possession.

by Tydides on Feb 12, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Despite playing horrendous defense

The fact that the game was decided by one incorrect call with less than a minute left, on the road in front of a pumped crowd tells me that this team is still damn good. Tournament time, the refs will likely be better

And if there’s any solace to this, it was a national game and everyone saw how horrendous our refs were.

by blinkshot on Feb 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately not really

ESPN really provided cover for the SPTR. Yes, Len Elmore said that it was a bad call. But after that, they didn’t show the replay again and didn’t really mention the play. If this was a ACC or Big East game, that call would have been all they talked about the rest of the game and would have been on Around the Horn and PTI tomorrow.

by bruinponcho on Feb 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true

And as much as I hate ESPN, I cannot deny the fact that they have a lot of sway over the masses. Our league has gone down horribly in marketing with the TV deals, and our refs are just ridiculous

by blinkshot on Feb 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It gets worse

In the post game write up on cbssportsline, they have a recap of the last 2 minutes of the game. Strangely, the leave out the most important play of the game.

On the next possession, Arizona State’s Jeff Pendergraph blew a dunk, and then the Bruins turned the ball over on a shot clock violation.
That’s when Glasser found some open space in the corner and buried a jumper to put the Sun Devils up 69-67.
Arizona State still led by two with 36 seconds left when UCLA’s Alfred Aboya was called for a technical foul for touching the ball before Kuksiks inbounded it.
Glasser made two free throws, and then he fed Pendergraph for a thunderous dunk that put the Sun Devils up 73-67.

Gotta love the MSM. ugh

by bruinponcho on Feb 12, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not surprised

i wonder if anyone dvr’d these games and put together a ‘highlight reel’ of pac-10 refs

they could sell it as ‘worst ref blunders’ and make a killing off it

by blinkshot on Feb 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

made a comment above on this after yours. i second this idea.

by bruinbunz on Feb 12, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correction: AP write up

That passage is from the AP write up. It is also available on espn.

by bruinponcho on Feb 12, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness...

While the original writeup did say that, they’ve updated it.

On UCLA’s next possession, Collison drove for an apparent tying bucket, but the officials ruled that he had charged into Pendergraph — a call the Bruins heatedly protested.

“I thought it was a block, because the guy was moving,” Howland said. “I’ve already asked my video person who saw a replay of the game, and he said, ’Yes, you were right, he was moving, no question about it.”

From the ESPN writeup. Near the bottom, unfortunately.

by Magnusblitz on Feb 13, 2009 2:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If it makes you feel any better, John Buccigross said it was a horrible call about three times during the Sportscenter highlight of the game.

by baybruin415 on Feb 12, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That does make me feel a lot better.

by bruin8uclap on Feb 12, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ill

I always am when we lose. But Nestor summarized it well – ASU shot lights out from 3 and very well overall, and outrebounded us.

It’s kinda embarassing reading the game thread and seeing many people whine about the refs for the loss. Of course that was a horrible call by the SFPTR (sorry ‘66, I’m amending your acronym for this one), and we know how horrible the SFPTR always are, but to say that single call lost us the game is ridiculous.

If we had defended better or rebounded better throughout the game, then an isolated play like that doesn’t cost us. We had possessions after that call, too, but didn’t take advantage. To say it changed the complexion suggests that our guys were helpless to respond, and I will never believe that our team doesn’t determine it’s own outcome.

It sucks tonight, but we’ll get over it and come back strong against the standard on Saturday.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Feb 12, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

g - I have to disagree somewhat

I do think that charging call changed the complexion of the game. I know … we have to play through it. Still that was a huge blown call and I don’t fault people for being pissed off over it.

by Nestor on Feb 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Partly agree with you, N

I was and am totally pissed at that call. Ask my kids what I (accidentally) screamed when that call was made. And it’s an embarrassment that our conference is saddled with these incompetent morons dressed up as basketball refs.

But you correctly pointed out that there was much more to the game than that call, and I’m sure we all have enough faith in DC and the boys they aren’t gonna roll over and stop playing after a terrible call. If anything, they ought to be pretty used to it by now.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Feb 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see it as a combination

We didn’t play well enough to win as 66 points out downthread.

However, that call did have an impact on the game.

Oh well. Saturday is going to be tough because I think it will be Zona’s only chance to beat us in next 10 tries. Still we are going to be all right.

by Nestor on Feb 12, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our guys

I believe, would rather play straight up D to protect the lead rather than have to trap and foul to stop the clock. That’s what makes that blown call so devastating.

Nothing we can do about it now though. Just have to keep winning and pray we never see that crew again the rest of the season.

by Tydides on Feb 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And I mean the refs

Not ASU. I would love to see ASU at Staples.

by Tydides on Feb 12, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Would love to see them at Staples.

by Nestor on Feb 12, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We're good

I agree the call had a huge impact on the game, as did the other factors you mentioned.

Damn. Still feel sick. See you all on Saturday.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Feb 12, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

**ugh - wrong spot

Sorry, that was a reply to your combo post N. I’m out.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Feb 12, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

That we could’ve sealed the game up earlier, but that’s basketball, and the game as a whole did come down to the last minute. The resulting 4-5 point swing chances the momentum and what the game plan is.

by blinkshot on Feb 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

get a grip

whine about the refs. When people are incompetent at completing their jobs you are supposed to call them out. Love the kids who want to say that refs never have an outcome on the game, if only we would have shot 90 % from the 3 we would have won that game.

by bruinbrah on Feb 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

brah

Never said the refs didn’t have an outcome – of course they affect the outcome. I’m just saying there were other factors besides that play. And the SFPTR shouldn’t be called out – they should be dragged out, and then shot.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Feb 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Fired up. Just really feel ref’s handed these little pricks two games. stings after the domination we put up 4 games in a row. If it was isolated to this game, i could deal, but my irrational use of commas, and irrational hatred of refs, leads me to conclude its a conspiracy. You are on point, I’m just being a little irrational because of the impact of this game. Cheers to a first round loss for ASU against Winthrop!

by bruinbrah on Feb 12, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Technical foul on Aboya

I’m still scratching my head on that one. I would think the ref would just call it a delay-of-game warning and tell Aboya to back up and not step over the line on the play. But a technical foul? That’s 2 plus the ball… you save those calls for truly egregious fouls, not some violation where Aboya didn’t even foul the guy in the traditional sense.

by UCLA4Life on Feb 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

aboya messed up

But I agree that the refs were a little whistle happy on us with regards to making sure we were penalized, rather than give us a few noncalls

by blinkshot on Feb 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The way I understand the rule

touching the ball out of bounds is an automatic T.

by bruin8uclap on Feb 12, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Found the rule.

A technical foul can be assessed if the player “Reach through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touch or dislodge the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or beingpassed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in 7-5.8.a.”

by UCLA4Life on Feb 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By rule, that was an automatic technical.

I got called for that once in middle school, believe it or not…

by chenalex on Feb 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ASU shot lights out

but they were also turning the ball over, which kept us in it.

I’m still extremely peeved at that call, and knew it was over from there. I’m just also peeved it happened on national TV, where all the talking heads are going to go UCLA has issues with ________ because it was the one game they could watch on TV.

On another note, thanks to Notre Dame for annihilating Louisville, it just helps us out.

by freesia39 on Feb 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Better tonight than in the tourneys

We will rise again. Still 7 pac 10 games left and the pac 10 tourney, followed by a trip to the big dance. Tonight is just fuel for our guys to raise their level of play another notch. ASU is a quality team and hopefully we will see them again at Staples.

by popopapa on Feb 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Refs DID decide the game

I know that our team didn’t play its best, but they played well enough to maybe secure a close victory, until the “charging” call on Collison. I hope we meet ASU in the Pac-10 tourney for some sweet pay back. Also, if we finish up #1 in the Pac-10 with a tourney win, then we should be atleast a 2-seed. Thoughts?

by Bruhaha on Feb 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

To Win In This League with These Ref's

you have to play better than we played, today.

You can’t let games stay close, because that’s when a bad call can decide the game.

We did not play well and were somewhat lucky it was a close as it was. I’ll take back the lucky — we stayed in the game because we forced turnovers.

However, we lost the game because:

We were slow on D and gave them too many uncontested 3’s — which they made.

We missed easy shots inside — JH’s, in particular.

We got beat on the boards, badly.

We let them shoot 60%.

Had we played better, a few bad calls would not have turned the game.

The only way to win in the Pac 10 is to take the game out of the ref’s hands by building such a big lead that no number of bad calls can challenge it. We didn’t do that so we lost.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We can win regardless of seed

While it would be nice to get a high seed and stay in the West region, we can be successful anywhere as long as we’re firing on all cylinders. We all know what this team is capable of..JH didn’t score a point tonight (although he only took four shots) and was our leading rebounder with 4 and yet we nearly pulled it out. We will be on top when things are said and done. Go Bruins!!

by baybruin415 on Feb 12, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

that "offensive foul"

on dc was so garbage though. i never want to call out the refs for a loss but harden and pendegraph were getting away with offensive fouls all game. ty is right, it’s one thing to let those go all game but to call that one at the end was, as the french say, garbage… also i mentioned on the in game thread that we seem to miss the cutters a lot, i mentioned dc in particular, but he isn’t the only one. i saw gordon and holiday flash through the zone free and we didnt get them. quick passes are zone killers creating early offense and easy shots. but we’re unwilling to make that pass making offense against the zone more difficult for us. thoughts?
i think we’ll be fine though and we’ll see them at staples.

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Feb 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Breaking down the zone

I agree. I would have liked to see Roll or Drago cutting to the elbow and draining 16-17 footers at the top of the key.

by Bruhaha on Feb 12, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i saw a lot of players at teh free throw line

yell for the ball, but the pass never went in so that was a bit frustrating. We did that really well against the past few opponents that tried the zone on us

and you don’t go whistle happy with less than a minute left and the game still undecided

by blinkshot on Feb 12, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive stops

We could have stretched the lead so many times in the second half, but kept giving them open 3 point shots. We needed a cushion down the stretch because you don’t want the refs to make a controversial call. This is one of the drawback of being a road team.

I was at the game at Pauley, and really felt that we would handle them this time, especially for payback. I think the best we can get is a 3 seed in the West. We need to win the PAC-10 straight up and do well in the PAC-10 tourney. Hopefully, beat asu this time.

by UCLA Championships Made Here on Feb 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Closing time

In all 5 of our losses (against ranked or quality teams), we did not close the deal like we did in past years.

We are not getting the necessary stops and the offense gets too conservative and stagnant during crunch time. I always feel that we have the advantage during tight games because of our senior leadership and the defense. Scratching my head right now

by UCLA Championships Made Here on Feb 12, 2009 9:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

it happens

you’re on the road against a great ranked team, they have a top 5 pick, you have a freshman starter with 0 points and was overmatched on D when assigned to this top 5 pick….

and it still came down to the last minute

by blinkshot on Feb 12, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you guys don’t take this the wrong way, because it was a great game, but UCLA plays some of the touchiest defense I have seen as a fan. They are consistently hands-on the players they are guarding (not necessarily grabbing, but possibly).
There were a lot of fouls called on UCLA tonight because they were fouling a lot.

ASU probably got a few calls, definitely, but there were things like Collison’s double dribble that wasn’t called and ended up being a 3 point made basket for the Bruins. I was at the game, so I saw things that may or may not have happened. But neither I nor the refs had any access to replays to base our judgements off of.

Do Pac-10 refs suck? Yes. But I thought they could have called more fouls on UCLA, so we are naturally suffering from home team bias. Great game though, and I hope to see you go far in the Tourney.

by Cory Williams on Feb 12, 2009 9:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

here's the thing

UCLA does foul on D. We know that. That’s how we play, and we can accept it. What bugged me personally about this game was this: Harden constantly pushed off and was never called for it. Seriously, the guy is a phenomenal player, but his off arm is ALWAYS in the chest of the defender. Then, on that one play were he gave pendergraph the behind the back pass he flattened Aboya, yet no foul was called. Later in the game aboya took another charge that was called a block. Yet when the game was on the line, the exact same play was called a charge, again in ASU’s favor.

I know others here feel differently, but I feel that ASU 100% played well enough that they deserved to win. But so did UCLA. I just wish the players had been allowed to decide it, and I don’t think that they were. I’m not saying we would’ve won the game if Collison had gotten his 3 point play, but at least the players would’ve won and lost. Congrats on the win, and you guys have a great team, but the refs decided this one.

But seriously, CW, thanks for showing some class. Nothing wrong with sharing your opinion. I know I appreciate that not all pac 10 fans are like SC and Cal fans.

by bucknellbruin on Feb 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, first sentance meant to say that

UCLA does foul occasionally. That’s how they play D; in your face, and there is a lot of contact. I think we can accept most of the fouls called on us, it was the fouls not called on ASU that bugged us

by bucknellbruin on Feb 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But yeah

ASU fans have nothing to do with the screwjob tonight, so I certainly don’t blame C.W. here (unless by “being at the game” you meant you were wearing stripes and had a whistle in your mouth, in which case, we do have some problems :-) )

by Tydides on Feb 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I don’t think UCLA fouls a lot. They play physical, but they play it within the rules. They are not clutching, grabbing, pushing, etc. They usually play in-your-face defense. They do not impede the dribbler or players off-the-ball, but rather the players get to a certain spot and draw contact. That is how Howland teaches his players to play defense. Active, physical, and with your hands up and ready at all times.

by UCLA4Life on Feb 12, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

It was almost a good game. Sadly, it was not called fairly. I believe the picture above, and the following picture of Harden will illustrate this point:

by Tydides on Feb 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

From ESPN's College Basketball Final when they showed the DC charge

Branch: “Bad call, home job!”
Fraschilla: “It is the Pac 10”

Those are the exact quotes. I used by DVR to go back and triple check to make sure I got it right.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Feb 12, 2009 9:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fran

I normally cant stand Fraschilla, but for once me and him are on the same page. Too bad it takes disparaging our conference to do this.

by bruinponcho on Feb 12, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Pac-10, nothing but a punchline

I Sure hope that Tom Hansen is proud.

by bruinhoo on Feb 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Refs ruined the flow

I was at the game tonight, and it was painful to watch. There were many phantom calls where whistles were blown, devils’ fan cheering, but nobody knew who actually committed the foul. The game was so choppy and a rhythm was never established because of the whistle-happy refs. During the first half, our warriors looked lost on D, but they closed the half out strong. The second half went back and forth, but their sixth men (the refs) provided the edge that they needed. I’m still in disbelief!

by westwood78 on Feb 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did Howland want Harden?

Just saw this in the AP story:

“When it ended, Sun Devils star James Harden scooped up the basketball and mounted the press table, waving to the hundreds of students who flooded the court. Harden, a Los Angeles product who spurned his hometown powerhouse, had 15 points and a career-high 11 assists and came within two turnovers of posting an odd triple-double—a feat never achieved by a Sun Devil.”

Did Harden really spurn UCLA? I don’t remember hearing about him being recruited by CBH.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Feb 12, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I heard he was recruited originally

but never had much interest in UCLA. He wanted to go somewhere to build a program and when his AAU or high school coach was hired by Sendek, ASU was the choice. I could be a little off, but I believe that’s how it went.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Feb 12, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I do remember

that Sendek and his former coach at Artesia had some type of relationship that made it obvious as to why Harden would go there. I don’t know if they were just good friends or if he joined their staff, or they used to work together but it was something along those lines.

by turs12 on Feb 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Artesia coach joined Sendek's staff

When Sendek came from NC State, after Harden’s Junior season @ Artesia.

by bruinhoo on Feb 12, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Harden received his first recruiting letter from Howland

Frosh year, after lighting up LMR’s South Gate High team, if i read correctly.

by bruinhoo on Feb 12, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it differently

I thought it was supposed to be either Harden or Stanback, and since Chase decided first, he got the scholarship and there wasn’t any left for Harden.

by UCLA4Life on Feb 12, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was there...

I was there, and it was bad in both directions. I was surrounded by a sea of ASU fans and they were unhappy with the officiating as well. It was so bad I thought Howland was going to turn into Bobby Knight or Coach K.

The game was all around intense, especially the defense on both sides.

All game, it felt like either team was about to pull away, but the officiating and timeouts and lengthy replay reviews got in the way of the flow. With the charge, technical foul, and slam dunk, it ended what was a close game in a very short amount of time.

by dylan on Feb 12, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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