Not Enough Heart: Arizona Embarrasses Howland's UCLA
As DG said following the Washington game few weeks ago:
"Right now, we just don’t have enough heart," UCLA forward Drew Gordon said. "At the end of the day, the other team wants it more."
Coach Ben Howland's UCLA Bruins embarrass themselves and humiliate Coach Wooden's program on national TV by getting massacred by Arizona.
It was a pathetic display of basketball in first half and early second half as an Arizona team with not so deep bench left JS and rest of the Bruin starters in dust:
Photo Credit: AP Photo/John Miller
The final score is yet to be determined was 72-84 (box score). Doesn't Didn't matter really despite too little, too late desperate rally in the end.
Bruins were ugly. They were sloppy on offense, lazy on defense. They showed no hustle, no desire most of the game. Warriors such as AA, JF, LRMAM, LMR, and RW would have been humiliated if they were watching the game in person.
Notwithstanding the desperate rally our guys made late in the game which made the score close, this game was essentially over early in the first half on perhaps the worst stretch of Howland era since a blowout loss against St. Johns in his first year.
Right now this team should not consume itself with the thoughts of defending the Pac-10 championship or what seed it is going to get in the tournament.
This team needs to dig deep, look itself in the mirror, and decide whether it will fight back and show character like the Ben Ball warriors we saw in last three seasons.
Because as of right now as our freshman (perhaps the only guy who has brought fire and passion every game) we don't have the heart of champions. We don't look like a team that really "wants it." As mentioned in the second half thread below Ben Howland and his entire team should be embarrassed at themselves.
Calling the effort disappointing would be an understatement.
GO BRUINS.
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we can only hope this Zona trip is wake up call
no way to win if we play like this….
lets forget and beat Washington
GO BRUINS!!! CHEER LIKE CHAMPIONS!!!
What a difference a week makes...
…last week CBH said we were playing ball with the best of them. The way we played this week, we shouldn’t even be in the top 25. We need a miracle, baby.
good an bad
one week you play good and the other week you play like shit.
No, we're UCLA
and we’re not supposed to do that.
This is a joke, right?
The officiating in the last minute had little- nothing at all, even- to do with the outcome of this game.
The refs in the last minute were a joke
by SuperBruinMan on Feb 14, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Examples, please
Leave the snark at home- we’re both upset over this game- I don’t feel like the refs did much of anything in the final minute to take the game away from us. At this point however, I’m easily swayable.
Just because they didn't take the game
doesn’t mean they weren’t awful.
The jump ball on the rebound, the foul when Hill was at the top of the key, the travel after Horne’s (?) rebound, the Dragovic steal. Most of those calls were just laughable.
by SuperBruinMan on Feb 14, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I am heartbroken. Man this hurts.
I am disappointed that Howland & Co. didn’t find a way to motivate the players more.
B.F.
We lack a "go to" player
2006 – Farmar
2007 – Afflalo
2008 – Love
2009 – ?
Nobody can really take over a game and manufacture some offense for us when we’re in these tough situations. DC did it today, but it was probably too late
We were all fine with our offensive balance
When we were rolling. Now it’s a detriment? I don’t buy that, sorry.
I’m placing a much higher priority on a LRMAM-type stopper than a “go-to” offensive guy for a team that has a lot of guys that can score.
It's not really about balance
It’s more like when the shot clock is going down or near the end of a half, you want a go-to offensive player that can create or take a last shot and make it for you.
Or you could try not being in the low shot clock situation to begin with
Having balance lessens those situations. Last year we had a LOT more situations like that so it was necessary. Until the last couple of games we were going early in the clock.
I think
You are right in the sense that having a defensive stopper is a priority over having dependable playmaker on offense. DC is one of the guys but he is turning out not be enough on the offensive side. But we have no defensive sparkplug as you said … and it’s hurting us … big time.
Jrue shows flashes
But is still inconsistent. LRMAM wasn’t a world beating D player in his freshman year either (though he was VERY good). Lee shows some promise as well, and has some RWesque physical assets.
I think when we play ASU
We should just have Lee 1 on 1 on Harden the entire time. I “trust” him more than JH on D
Yeah you guys are right on that end also
2006 – Bozeman
2007 – Afflalo
2008 – Westbrook
2009 – ???
The defense has always been our hallmark
one could say that in the past 3 seasons our best offense was our defense. We relied on pressuring the ball and creating turnovers that led to easy baskets. This years team, for whatever reason, seems to have gotten away from that.
That's why I said earlier in the year
It’s no coincidence that those 3 better defensive teams had one player in common. It only takes one guy being weaker than the others in CBH’s system to drastically lower the D’s effectiveness because of all the switching and team help. Unfortunately we have guys that, while improved, are not consistent, and that’s an absolute killer sometimes.
The Freshmen definitely show flashes
I like how DG plays really good D, and I really like how ML plays D.
I hope our guys next year and contribute on D as well
I won't lie
I don’t see it happening all that quickly. They’re forwards, and while they’re gifted athletically, I think it’s still going to take them time to adjust to the speed of the college game, especially on the defensive end. It’s a very strong possibility that our growing pains will be worse than this year. But the upside is tremendous. If Honeycutt and one other guy are ready to go from Day 1 while the rest of the guys get up to speed, then the outlook changes completely.
Redshirt
We should probably redshirt one of them too. Maybe Stover (even though he has the most defensive upside).
From what I read
That guy could be Nelson. I haven’t seen these guys play outside of highlight clips though, so that’s not a fair evaluation of each guy’s game to game talents.
Ya he would be a good choice also
From the recent press, it might seem like he might not have the correct mindset to be a “Ben Ball Warrior”
Hopefully the off the court stuff isn't an indictment of his character
Because I think on the court he does have that mentality. He brings the muscle, and I can see why CBH would want him. You always went enforcers. DG is an enforcer. Bobo can be one when he’s in the game. Enforcers help out your finesse guys, which I think Honeycutt is, and which our freshman guards definitely are. They do this via devastating picks and defensive backup
strongly disagree. did you see the crunch time move he put on an az state dfender
and then had the absolutely horrible offensive foul on pendergraph? he created his own shot there and made it. He was the strongest for us today.
by harveyismyboy on Feb 14, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
DC he came through
He leads and can only do so much.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Feb 14, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Agree with drebruin
He led us back this time cause Arizona let up on D so he got some open shots.
Once he they tightened the D again, he wasn’t able to really create his shot anymore
It's more than a "Go to" player
we a re lacking leadership on the floor
I hate to say it but they look lost at times
The team needs someone to step up, be vocal, and kick some ass when needed
Collison tries to be that guy
I feel like it’s a Herculean task for him to go at it alone, though. I was hoping that Shipp would be a vocal leader this season, but it hasn’t really happened.
that guy was RW last year
I miss him throwing down HARD and screaming afterwards
He wasn't throwing down so hard last night
Missed a dunk :-)
Okay that was OT, but watching him play in the Rookie Challenge was a lot of fun.
Team needs to learn and grow from this
We have better days ahead.
How much more time do we have?
It’s already the middle of February. CBH better be holding night classes for these guys…
he needs to have a talk on the plane back
Ken Whisenhunt-style
I think the team got a little too high after their strong two week home stand
They are better than today, and I don’t think we are that far off from being a Pac-10 championship squad. We just need to focus mentally.
well someone needs to say it.....i'm tired of settling for the "we need to grow" excuses.
we can’t just sugar coat our losses anymore saying that we’re a developing team and we gotta trust that they’ll find their way. They need a wake up call after this road trip. There is a serious lack of heart on this team. No one wants to step up besdies collison when the game is on the line and our backs are against the wall. JH needs to find his offense and JS needs to play like a senior! This season I have tried to ignore the fact that we have allowed a much higher FG% and rebonds than previous year. I hate to be affected by 1 (in this case 2 games)—-but it just may be that we don’t have it in this roster—-and gatorade player of the year is just overrrated.
We just need to realize
That we’ve been to 3 straight F4 and we’re in a rebuilding year or two. I think our expectations are too high because DC decided to come back
strongly disagree.
ML has been hurt and BH very slowly works him back in. We havent really been able to read him yet. and I am so glad when DG is in because he brings intensity to this team with dunks and off.boards. I am happy with them this year, but they will get better.
by harveyismyboy on Feb 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think this team should just fall out of the rankings
Too inconsistent and not one quality win
this discussion is insanely stupid...
I will come back later when the rational regulars are still here.
You should have seen Louisville against ND
That team totally gave up early in the second half. Just going throught the motions. We would have put up 100 on that kind of defense.
Still say that we fought to the end but just could not get it done. And yes, bad, bad games from Shipp, Jrue and Aboya. Sometimes you try to hard, you press and you just cannot get over the hump.
You have got to look at the body of work this year and just realize we’re an okay team, but kind of in the 20s in rating unless the boys have a BIG surprise in store for us!
Thanks To All Of You
for keeping me updated, providing the link, etc.
I actually feel pretty heartbroken too, ebruin. Not a great Valentine’s Day, for certain.
I still love my Bruins, of course, and I know all of you true BN’ers do, too. I trust CBH to turn this around. I don’t really care about rankings, to tell the truth, I just care about my team playing their best—playing their hearts out, not mine. I have become quite used to the former.
Love My Bruins
Whiners and Complainers crawling out from under their rocks
I don’t know where you are all coming from — but this team is what we expected. Three starting players with little or no previous experience. Missing 3 NBA stars.
Losing on the road — that happens.
This was an ugly game — but I find it highly offensive that some of you who only post to whine and complain come out from under your rocks after losses.
This was not a good game for us. But, the sky is not falling down. These are good kids who did not play to their potential. No cause to call them out or call them names or whine like little bitches.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Feb 14, 2009 12:21 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm out of here until these bozo's
vent and leave.
I’ll be back when we talk substance and support it with facts.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Feb 14, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Me, Too.
Thanks again to you guys for all the updating.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Feb 14, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
Comments like “JS is garbage” are truly insulting. Here is a guy who put in the work to come back from serious injuries to represent his school. And this is how the “fans” treat him.
My son made an observation about his old HS baseball team last season that has stuck with me. They were in a losing streak, and his comment was “everybody likes to win. This team needs players who hate to lose”.
I think the same may apply to this year’s UCLA basketball team. AA in particular fit the mode of hate to lose. Here’s hoping that a spark gets lit at some point.
By the way, I also disagree with comments like " CBH needs to motivate…". At this level, the players should be able to motivate themselves.
by islandbruin on Feb 14, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
It is, in any sport, the coaching staff's
job to make sure that the players enter each game with the correct mind-set. The Bruins were collectively off today, and I do think that we can place some of that responsibility on Howland’s shoulders. Yes, the players should be motivated to play naturally, but if they aren’t – and today they were not – it is the coaching staff’s job to make sure they pick themselves up. This did not happen today until it was much too late.
And yes, I absolutely agree. Comments that attack the players are dense and unacceptable. If you can’t say something constructive, then please don’t post.
B.F.
You know what?
I’m still having fun. Seriously.
I love watching the freshmen get in there and mix it up. It’s like having 3 freshman year RW’s just relentlessly attacking with no fear. I know that we need the steadier and more predictable play of our vets, but man the frosh are fun to watch. Here’s hoping BoBo joins the party sooner rather than later.
Agree! But, sometimes we think of potential as the BEST game a guy has played...
but maybe that’s misleading.
Aboya was certainly below his potential. He was awful all night. He had hands of stone!
Josh did a lot of dumb stuff – but that’s Josh. He plays with emotion, but not always with his head. And as for missing that late 3, he’s not the 3pt shooter that Roll, Drago or DC is.
Jrue is far more troubling to me. He’s our future.
A bad loss, but not the end of the world
This is basketball, and UCLA’s not close to the bubble. They still have a month to improve before the tournament, which is what really what counts.
With all the talent they lost, they’re going to need that month.
It’s not like the season is lost either. A sweep of the Washington schools next week and we will be right back up in the driver’s seat of the Pac-10.
by baybruin415 on Feb 14, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Someone Said in the 1st half thread
“I don’t care if we lose as long as our guys try”
I think we got that mostly so it’s not too bad of a loss. Contrary to what people were saying, our guys didn’t “give up” and I’m proud of them for that
We're just spoiled, is all
I think that we’re all so used to being a top-5 team, that even though this is a team that lost 3 NBA players and gained a crop of freshmen, we still expected this team to be at the same caliber of the last three UCLA teams. We’re so spoiled with what we’ve had the last few years that we aren’t as accepting of the growing pains that were going to come with this team.
Hey 66. remember Harrick used to
comment about Pac 10 road games being mean, nasty and ugly. I guess things got caught up with us at Tucson today.
We will regroup and take care of business at Pauley. We must beat Washington Huskies, and win the rest of the games to generate enough momentum going into the Pac 10 tourney.
For whatever reasons, our players came out inexplicably flat, even knowing they were on national TV. That is a big letdown for us, and it’s true. But knowing Howland, he’ll strategize and get the team going again.
The problem with being carefree on D
When you’re out of it, it looks like this. If you take pride in every defensive possession and you’re out of it on offense, the game is always close.
We better damn well work harder on defense because we’re not good enough to rely on sheer athleticism.
I don't think we were carefree ...
We lost composure at times and lost discipline. Guys leave their man to help out – that’s an “active” error, not a lazy error. So, yes, we do have to improve our defense but I don’t think we’re carefree if you meant “lazy”.
And as for defending Hill down low. That’s very tough to do.
We dug our hole with turnovers, not lazy defense.
Recovery is generally slow as well
But that’s not necessarily a “lazy” trademark. The first two/three steps are everything after the pass is away. Start off in the wrong direction to get back to your man and you’re screwed. It’s really not as simple as following the ball because screens are set and you have to adjust for that. If you have the experience and knowledge to just “know” where the passes are going, then it’s second nature and you recover to your man a lot quicker. ND usually has the biggest problem with this, but he’s hardly the only one. That’s not to take away from the strides he’s made with his man-to-man defense though, because I never thought he’d even get to where he is now in that department.
Yes. And team speed is a problem too.
Keefe, Drago, Roll, maybe even Jrue don’t have the speed and quickness of Luc and Westy
Lazy's not the word
I used carefree to mean “not up to maximum intensity.” It takes a certain quick-acting mentality to switch-up on time and to rotate — and also to rebound well. Our defensive intensity is nowhere near where it was the last 3 years.
It’s not enough not to be lazy. Their head has to be in it at all times.
Can Someone PLEASE Tell Me . . .
why Roll wasn’t in at the end when we needed threes? Shipp’s miss from the left side in the last 90 seconds was the last gasp . . . why wasn’t our 54% specialist taking that shot?
Not what I expected coming off of a lost....
I’m not concerned about having the extra losses on our record or the rankings on monday. I’m convinced the rest of nation only looks at the box score anyways. The ASU lost was heartbreaking but I knew it was a tall order on the road. This game was different. I think N said it best:
"Right now this team should not consume itself with the thoughts of defending the Pac-10 championship or what seed it is going to get in the tournament.
This team needs to dig deep, look itself in the mirror, and decide whether it will fight back and show character like the Ben Ball warriors we saw in last three seasons."
I’m not going to care what rank/seed we hope to be, but I want to be able to say that we look like a CBH team. We may not be as talented in our roster or as developed but they need the tough, blue collar characteristics that shaped our previous years.
Showing heart isn’t about how we rallied to pull within 10 the last 3 minutes of the game. It should have shown in our intensity after coming off of the ASU lost. We already looked beat in the first half of this game.
The squad CBH took to the national title game...
…had less developed talent than this squad. This squad is just as capable of putting together a 6 game winning streak in March.
The problem is heart and without AA and RW, I agree, this year’s team lacks an emotional leader. This team plays without heart. JS gets reckless too often when he gets fired up. I like seeing the fire, but unlike RW and AA, he tends to get sloppy when he gets that way.
Someone needs to take charge out there and these boys need to pull their head out from their behinds and get some fire. Too often I feel like they get caught up in their own hype and forget that every win requires maximum effort. We start to get rolling and then we totally fall apart. It’s happened way too often this season.
Realistically, we got to win it out from here if we want to hold on to the Pac-10 crown. If the boys want to give themselves a solid seed, they have to start winning games and winning them with authority, as we did the last two weeks.
by Bellerophon on Feb 14, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'd agree but for one thing
We had Ryan Hollins.
This was a 7 footer with what seemed to be a 30 foot wingspan that suddenly became an offensive and defensive force. When his mind caught up with his physical gifts, the upside on that team shot through the roof. And I don’t believe I’m overstating this, because remember, he was the West Regional MVP. I love PAA, but unless he either shoots up 4 inches or develops an until now unseen creativity facing the basket, then the ceiling will probably be slightly lower.
Maybe going into the season...
… but Jordan Farmar and Afflalo. Yes, you could say “less developed talent” going INTO the season. But, I’m appreciating these two guys more and more as time goes on.
I agree we're a little spoiled right now.
We played so well the past weeks since Washington, but I remember a post a few weeks ago about the ups and down of this season. Obviously there are many issues with this team right now. But I think we can see a pattern that when DC is needed to do so much, we don’t do well. This game was incredibly frustrating because it seemed as though we could absolutely nothing right. When we started scoring points in bunches, I found myself continuing to say “Well now we need a stop” and then Jordan Hill waltzes to the basket off of a blown defense. We’re always going to be defense first with Howland. Hill and Wise needed to be stopped.
Next week is the Washington schools at home. I hope that we can continue to be there for our boys, there’s no better time to stand with them that when they’re down. I still trust in Howland to get this team more focused.
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Feb 14, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions
The opponent
I think at BN, we need to look at what the other team is doing to make the Bruins look uncomfortable.
During the 4 game stretch when blew other teams out, we just took it to them early with ball pressure and causing turnovers with the D.
ASU and UofA came with good plans against us, especially their offenses. They did not wilt under pressure when we came at them, in fact, they knew what we doing defensively and responded with the extra pass which in turn resulted in open threes.
Of course, our turnovers just made it worse.
I don’t think the turn around will simply come from the players, hustling more, etc. I’m sure CBH knows that he needs to make some adjustments. The full court pressure have made DC and JH too passive (DC became aggressive during desperation time, need it earlier). We need to get these guys involved early.
I agree with Nestor, we need to have the attitude of the 2005-06 team, be the hunter, and not sit back to be hunted.
by UCLA Championships Made Here on Feb 14, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions
Season is about what I expected
Losing that many players to the NBA and graduation is gonna have a deleterious effect on the team. With so much reliance on freshmen, who are just learning the college game, I expected the season to pretty much be a see-saw affair. However, I expected players to play with more consistency at this late stage of the season, but perhaps what we saw the previous couple of weeks was fool’s gold, especially since the games were all at home. This team has had a much tougher time winning on the road compared to Pauley. Although the team has 3 seniors, none of them have yet to really take the mantle as the unquestioned leader of the team vocally and on the floor. Plus, losing a glue player like Luc Richard has exposed some of this team’s weaknesses, as ND and JK have not been able to fill the void by his departure. All of that said, the team has now hit their rock-bottom, and we have seen how quickly they can ascend form the previous weeks’ performances. Hopefully Darren can address the team and tell them that he did not come back just to be a middle-of-the-pack team, that this is UCLA and they need to play up to their standards. I want to see this lowlight of a week to be the turning point, where the team now stops fooling around and start stepping up.
Uncharacteristic turnovers today.
Truly unbelievable how many we gave away. We’ll be alright, though. Our swagger will return as soon as the defensive intensity and smarts do.
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Feb 14, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions
Not enough penetration
We’re not getting into the paint and kicking it out for the 3 quick enough. There is way too much perimeter dribbling and passing with no inside play. We also hesitated on many of the 3 point opportunities we had. Zona came out with energy and purpose. We were just going through the motions and not protecting our possessions. Way too sloppy and way too many turnovers.
Russ Pennell has done a really good job in a difficult interim situation. He’s gonna get some offers at the end of the season. Interesting how Zona takes care of the house that Lute built. The want a premium coach with a big name and are willing to wait a year to find that coach even though Pennell is good enough. Unlike what Pete Dalis did by accepting LAVIN who destroyed the Cathedral of BB built by Coach.
Freshmen showed lots of heart
DG, ML, JA showed urgency, defiance, swagger and that theyplayed for the four letters on the front of their jerseys. I like their potential. JH showed great recognition in the second half has he tried to reduce his role as a playmaker when he was playing so poorly in the first half. Shows a lot of unselfishness. Personally, I think we should develop our freshmen more before the tourney. We go deep if our freshmen can provide quality ball play down the stretch.
Personally, I would not have played MR and JS as much as they did since they showed they were a liability on defense and had poor ball handling and passing throughout the game. I would have loved to see a DG and AA tandem in the first half when Jordan Hill went beast on us and we couldn’t grab a rebound for the life of us. I also think ND is a first half player. I think we should have tried to get him going early. He didn’t get that many looks as I would like. I really liked the squad when we were making our comeback before the 3-4minute mark with AA, DC, ML, JH. Personally, I would have played them to end of the game.
Arizona brought a tourney-like intensity level today that you don’t often see in the regular season. So we have got to recognize that we’re going to see this level of play from opposing teams from here on out, especially come tourney time. It’s time to re-group and focus what got us here in the first place. Trust in CBH and buy into defense. With the exception of DC, seniors really need to act like seniors and freshmen need to play more to develop and progress faster.
Just a thought, I think I would like to see DG, JH, JA, ML on the floor at the same time once in awhile.
Go Bruins!
by tommybruin on Feb 14, 2009 1:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Howland needs to concentrate on offense more.
Guess what happens when you practice defense 80% of the time? That’s right folks, no offense. When other teams study our defense and pick us apart we dig ourselves into 25pt holes. With the talent we have had on our roster we should be doing more. True we’ve been to the final four the last 3 seasons, but unless I’m mistaken, we don’t hang final four banners at Pauley Pavilion.
You might have something there.
I’ve always felt our passes are not consistently crisp, and we are slow to pull the trigger on passes. And I wonder how good we are at spacing and moving to create a good pass. Certainly not an expert here, but just wonder. And you kind of have an explanation. So much emphasis on D can only be somewhat to the detriment of O.
I actually think the first two final four, we overachieved. Last year, we got to where we were and just ran into a better team in Memphis.
This year though, I think we are underachieving. James Keefe still hasn’t panned out after brilliant performances in the tournament last year, and Jrue Holiday is far too unselfish. We know he’s a good shooter and he’s a good finisher, but a lot of times when he takes the ball in, he’s looking for the pass instead of the layup/foul. This was a winnable game, and we really gave it away on turnovers and bad defense.
LOL
Yeah we gave up 49 first half points and the problem was offense. Okay.
I don’t know how often I have to say this, but I will until people get it. Our Defense is rated LOWER than our Offense this year.
Spot On ...
It’s tough to win against anybody giving up 49 points in a half. The offense is playing quite well enough to win.
We gave up 49 points in a half today...
… and allowed ASU to score over 60% fom BEHIND the arc, and we’re not spending enough time on OFFENSE?
Haven’t we been hearing this for YEARS?
And haven’t we been getting to the F4 when defense is our life-blood?
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Crawl back into the hole
wherever you came from.
Yeah, Howland needs to listen to you on how to run practices.
We need our CORE back.
A few weeks, I asked “Who is the FIST of the Bruins?” I thank the posters above who mentioned the importance of the FIST on BOTH ends of the floor.
The FIST on offense is our guy who shoots in the clutch, and carries the team on his back. The FIST on defense is the one who sees the other team’s star getting hot, going for double-doubles in a half, and then steps up and says, “Damn it, put ME on him.”
No boxer, no MMA fighter, no nightclub bouncer in this world ever won a confrontation or competition with just the FIST. They win with the CORE muscles providing the balance and strength.
We need to find our FIST, and DC and JS may be jockeying for the title. But like any trainer will tell you, we need our CORE. And what is our CORE?
Strength. Toughness. Endurance, both mental and physical.
DEFENSE.
You can’t take a perfect shot every time. Even if you do, you can miss with perfect form.
However, it is more likely than not that you can force an opponent to take less than a perfect shot every time.
That’s what DEFENSE is.
Having a great offense means nothing when the other side has the ball and you’re down by 2.
Having a great defense means everything when you need momentum back — in a possession, in half, in a game, in a SEASON.
Defense is our CORE. And we got punched in the gut two days in a row.
Why do we fall? SO WE LEARN BETTER TO PICK OURSELVES UP.
Time to pick ourselves up.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
by Meriones on Feb 14, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
The "fist" could have been Darren cause he can flat out drain threes.
And attack the hoop. But this year he’s trying to be a pg, more and more lately and he started hesitating to shoot the 3. His 3pt attempts were way down until today. Look what happened tonight when he turned it on? Almost singlehandedly brought us back.
However, for a guy that shoots 90% on FTs and is "one of the quickest players in the country"...
… why don’t we see him score inside the paint MORE?
Shouldn’t someone leading the country with ungodly FT percentages and track sprinter’s speed with a team without a DOMINANT post-presence (AA2 is improving, but still…) be attacking the basket like a rabid dog?
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Yes. Like I said "And attack the hoop".
He’s been trying to “run” the offense to the detriment of being an offensive weapon. Actually he’s been attacking more than shooting the 3. I think he can do both and be our fist.
the team was in such a deep hole
that to keep us in it, he had no choice but to let it fly from long range
Oops. Missed that. Agreed.
You did say that. My bad.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Collison should take the helm
I agree that Collison should be the “go to” guy, but I feel like Jrue is interfering w/ Coliison’s role since they essentially play the same spot. I feel like Jrue can’t take second fiddle to Collison since he is one and done and needs to put up numbers to protect his spot in the draft.
Its good that they run into these problems now, so they can address them now instead of the tourney.
On the way.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Pac 10 Tourney
Looks like there will be at least two more Bruins in the stands at Staples. Just talked my wife into it. Let’s not have more Devil or Cat fans there next month, huh?
Go Bruins!
Reading this thread has been embarrassing
I am much more ashamed, embarrassed, and humiliated by some of the so-called fan’s comments here than I could ever be by our team’s performance. Where are these guys when we win? Why is it only adversity draws them out? Why can’t other teams get some credit for playing an inspired game against us?
The kids are playing hard, never giving up, and doing their best to represent UCLA. They don’t have to “better damn well” do anything more than that.
I also disagree that our kids or CBH have anything to be ashamed of. Shame should be reserved for bigger “sins” than losing a basketball game. Embarrassed, maybe, disappointed, sure, but they’ve got absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
by snorkeldorf on Feb 14, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Life Goes on
The day started off bad with the Arizona Beat down, and right after the game I had to take my dog, who has been in the family for over 14 year’s to the humane society to be put down. It really put’s things in to perspective. As Nestor and 66 and other’s have posted before the season even started, this type of season was expected. I am having fun watching Drew Gordon and other young bruins showing real heart and desire. He reminds me of Ryan Hollins. My point is, Win or Lose we will all have each other to lean on for emotional support. But please, the biggest disservice would be to put down our players and coaches, which a few of you have. If you could do any better you would be the coach or the player, so keep it constructive guys…
Go Bruins.
DBalter
by westwood12003 on Feb 14, 2009 2:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If people attack Howland and our players
they will be gone. I did write that our players and coaches should be ashamed of the effort they gave in the first half. I will stand by that.However, that said we are not going to tolerate insults hurled towards our coaches and players by so called “fans.”
take aways from the game
Rough week for our Bruins, as we drop two in a row for the first time in what seems like forever. But such is life in the Pac-10, where road games, especially against two amped up teams, never come easy.
Pro’s and cons from this game. Well let’s see:
Cons:
1 – Outrebounded again.They outrebounded us by 5 boards, including two offensively. But it wasn’t the raw totals – it was the fact that we weren’t securing the ball when we were touching it. I saw way too much tipping the ball around, knocking it out of bounds, etc. which gave Arizona a ton of extra chances. This ties into our lack of a big post presence which has hurt big time – getting outrebounded, and having little defense in the paint. Sure we stopped Harongody, but against Harden & Pendergraph, and today against Wise & Hill, we got burned repeatedly. Right about now, I really wish Bobo was able to play better defensively, because a big body underneath means rebounds and clogging the paint.
2. Did not get to the line again. 7 free throws vs. 30. Yeah, some of it might be home cooking, but we just did not do a good job in the inside. Our lack of interior presence really bit us too with Hill there.
3 – Defense. Defense. Defense. They shot over 50% from the field. You can’t win often if they shoot greater than 50% from the field and they burned us throughout the game. We were slow on rotations which meant a lot of 3’s were being relatively uncontested.
4. Lackadaisical playing. We need to play more aggressively both on defense and offense. Our defensive intensity was WAY down, we didn’t play that man to man coverage on each possession we’ve gotten used to, and it cost us time after time. Offensively, I saw us get them to commit on jump shot fakes and what not, but seemed timid to press the case when the defense over-committed.
5. Turnovers – wow, the first half was uncharacteristic of a CBH coached team. Inexcusable.
And that leads to my biggest con from this game was:
6. Our lack of intensity and focus coming in. Both against ASU and AZ, we fell into early holes that we could not dig ourselves out of. On the road, that is lethal. The best course of action was to take the crowd out of the game and play our style of ball. Instead, we fell behind and let them dictate what to do.
Now typically I have no issues with Coach Howland’s coaching or preparation, but these past two games have disappointed me tremendously. It’s both up to the players, team leaders and the coach to get our team motivated and prepared for road games against good teams. Instead, for the first time I’ve seen in a long time, if ever, CBH was outcoached for a half of the game. Defensive lapses, inability to adjust to the aggressive zone, etc. are largely on the shoulders of players, but adapting to the game and preparing players to focus is also on the coaches.
Now I fully expect ourselves to rebound from this trip with a new focus and with eyes set on crushing UW at home. I know CBH will not let us lose 3 in a row and I certainly hope the lessons learned here will be learned by everyone on this team.
Now for the pro’s:
1 – Our offense is still excellent. We shot 49% from the field, and 40% from 3’s. When we make shots, we still score. Had we not turned it over 18 times, 12 times in the 1st half no less, this game would’ve been within reach even with our poor playing on the defensive end.
2 – Our freshmen still play with incredible intensity and energy. Again, I’d love to see our depth get more playtime on the court. Lee, in particular, stood out this game – his length and athleticism made him a capable defender against Harden at ASU, and when he came in during the 2nd half this game, he really helped us on that run towards the end of the game. Add in the fact that he’s got great offensive moves and is a shooter, and I think he could be a gem off the bench if he played a bit more (consistently, as well).
3 – I know we are down on JH, and he made some boneheaded passes himself, but he also made some brilliant plays and passes we’d all be raving about had the guy on the receiving end held onto the ball for instance. In a lot of ways, JH is mature in the game way beyond his years – he see’s plays and passing lanes a lot of players dont expect. He makes the pass, but the player’s dont expect it. I’d like him to be more assertive on the defensive end to finish as he’s a great offensive rebounder and finisher, but if nothing else, make plays to free up shots for DC.
4 – DC was torrid from 3’s tonight. Hopefully this will give him some of that confidence that he can make big 3’s still. I know DC has shouldered a lot of the pressure this year, and he isn’t the greatest playmaker on the floor, but he’s still our #1 offensive player.
I know we harped about getting go-to-guys this year, and our team is incredibly balanced offensively – but the truth is, DC has been our to go to guy. Drives to the rim, 3’s, etc. Now, I know Howland is grooming Anderson to be our PG of the next few years, but I don’t think it’d hurt if we experimented with switching up the scheme a bit. For instance, play JH at PG and DC as the shooting guard. Or even JA at PG at times. My logic behind this is that it gives DC some time to rest from the pressure of handling the ball at all times, and it also allows JH or JA to use their playmaking ability to get some free looks for DC, especially out on the perimeter. Plus, it keeps opposing defenses off guard when they realize we don’t have only 2 official PG’s to watch.
5 – This team should never have dug itself in its hole had the team played the first half like we did in the last 10 mins. No excuses there. But at least we didn’t give up even when down 25. Louisville packed up for home before the 2nd half even started against ND, and at least we tried to gain some of our dignity back.
And finally
6 – Two losses in a row will spark a fire under the butts of the players and coaches. No doubt about it. This is going to be a hell week of practices I bet, but there is no greater teacher than learning from defeats.
by blinkshot on Feb 14, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 4 recs

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