SPTRs and Brockman

by Telemachus on Feb 20, 2009 12:18 AM PST Comment 27 comments

I think PAA is glad he's done playing Washington. After last season's ball to the face and a bloody forehead during this season's trip to Seattle, Aboya got away fairly unscathed, getting an elbow to the face, drawing no blood. However, on the play, those wonderful SPTRs decided PAA fouled Brockman with his face. Brockman hooks Aboya with his off arm, throws him down and hits him in the face on the follow-through. The SPTR right on the play apparently had a better angle (or a better imagination).

The SPTRs manage to get a call right, but then don't seem to know what constitutes an intentional / flagrant foul. In the following sequence, Brockman shoves PAA out of the way going for a rebound and I was shocked the SPTR actually called Brockman for the foul. Ah, but late in the game, Brockman throws JH to the floor. Foul called...er, intentional? I guess not. Good thing JH is a level-headed kid. If it was one of the toejam bunch, Brockman would have had to protect the family jewels.

Well, at least there wasn't the 26-point differential in foul-shots-made Washington had over us in the earlier game in Seattle. The SPTRs are making progress...at least until our game Saturday against the cougs.

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Brockman and Holiday

“—- There were a few boos for Brockman after his hard foul in the final seconds on Jrue Holiday. Asked if that caused any hard feelings with his brother, Justin, a UW teammate of Brockman’s, Brockman said no. "He said I could have hit him harder.if I wanted to,’’ Brockman said.”

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Very classy, Huskies.

by UclaBruin47 on Feb 20, 2009 1:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Brockman

I used to have a lot of respect for this kid. I was willing to dismiss our last two trips up to Seattle as Huskies being “physical” and “hard nosed” team. Not any more. Brockman is a dirty player just like Hackett from cross town.

by Nestor on Feb 20, 2009 4:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i feel the same way

i always thought of him as just a banger that was better than his talent because of his hustle and physicality. Now I’m thinking that he just gets away with dirty crap that makes him look better than he is.

Although to be fair, he’s a more talented player than I previously gave him credit for. Still a thug though

by bucknellbruin on Feb 20, 2009 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks Like Brockman reminds me of that Notre Dame player

who was part of Detroit Pistons’ rugged frontline. That name escapes me now, but he sure threw his weigh around and engaged in hard, dirty foul. I understand he is now a coach with some minor league.

by Htse005 on Feb 20, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Laimbeer?

by Tydides on Feb 20, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeap ! You got it Tydides

Bill Laimbeer is the name. Brockman’s almost a Laimbeer clone, with a tad more skills. Their style of play is that of a one man wrecking crew. Foul or no foul, who the heck cares. As long as I am bruisingly physical, they will let me have my way. Kermit Washington of the Clippers took this style to an art form.

The ref should have called foul on him in quick sucessions to preempt him because last night, even on TV, that hollow, obsessive gaze bothered me. Romar needed to tell him to focus more on skills than the brute strengths. Last year, after what another Huskies did to Aboya, I actually fired off an angry email to Romar. Many of us retains fond memories of him as the assistant coach in our national championship year, but how he and Cameron Dollar unleashed their pit bull players on us simply grates me. I told him then to personally call Aboya and apologize.

He had someone in UW’s Athletic Office replied and offered some lame explanations.

by Htse005 on Feb 20, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We May See them in the Tournament

As I mentioned in another thread, my fantasy is to have one of our D linemen suit up, maybe Price, and play “when needed” to restore the order the SPTR’s won’t.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 20, 2009 7:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

PAA could be the one to take care of that

by bornagainbruin on Feb 20, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You know what, Class of 66

Mickey Rourke is " ready, able and willing."

by Htse005 on Feb 20, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

He’s practically at (Hack)ett’s level now.

by surewin on Feb 20, 2009 7:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

We saw the hook

clear as day from our seats. We were right behind the play and it was SOOOOO obviously a hook. Really a bad call. Not flagrant or intentional just an obvoious hook. My g-d, PAA was thrown to the floor grabbing his face. An absolutely horrendous call.

PAA was the man last night. He could have gone from 20 had a few of those easier shots he put up in the first half fell. We all still cringe when he shoots those 12-15 footers but not as much as in years past.

by Bald Eagle on Feb 20, 2009 7:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

PAA has never gotten much protection from the SPTR's

while some of the wilting flowers in the league have. Wonder why.

The two handed push in the back was obvious,too.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 20, 2009 8:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Am I missing something?

Couldn’t the throwdown of Holiday been considered a clear path foul?

by freesia39 on Feb 20, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i kind of disagree

these weren’t nice fouls, and the last two were done kind of angry at a loss and in poor taste.. but really compared to some of the fouls i’ve seen before these were nothing extraordinary. nothing like the cheap shot usc had on blake griffin this year for instance. i think the ball off aboya’s face last year was far far worse.

by realfabfive on Feb 20, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don't think anything beats "punch in the balls"

If something has to be worse than that to be considered dirty, then the word loses all meaning. The ball off the face was also done with malicious intent, and comes in second to punch in the balls. Lesser infractions can still be quite dirty.

by Tydides on Feb 20, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

true those were too extreme examples

just that they don’t seem severe enough for technical or intentional calls. I believe we got the call on all three.

by realfabfive on Feb 20, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually on the first one

The ref ruled that Aboya’s face fouled Brockman’s flying elbow.

by Tydides on Feb 20, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Poor Defense by Drag

The whistle had blown and ND avoided contact with Brockman. At that point, the defender has a “free play” to stop the shooter from scoring. Too many defenders freeze after the whistle which allows for 3 point plays. I’m not advocating that ND take a cheap shot at Brockman, but a bump or a whack on the wrist might have prevented the basket. ND could have a least raised his arms.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 20, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

wow

classless disgusting behavior. not even disguised as accidental

by glassbruin on Feb 20, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

You're missing one

And it would have been a momentum changer as well. UCLA was up I think 6 points with about a minute let in the game. Huskies shoot an airball. Aboya was boxing out Brockman and would have had the rebound if not for Brockman blatantly throwing Aboya to the floor, right in front of a SPTR. Then somehow Brockman draws a foul on that play (I think on Aboya)! If he made both free-throws, it would have been a tight game. Inexcusable how piss-poor these refs are.

by UCLA4Life on Feb 20, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

ESPN and CBSsports (I think) wrote a couple of articles on how refs across the country were calling flying elbows to the head as flagrants more often, leading to more ejections.

Apparently, the Pac-10 refs are still light-years behind the rest of the country in competence.

by chenalex on Feb 20, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Overton

is also a dirty player. There was one instance in which he fouled Collison and then nearly stepped on his face, and another one where he tripped Holiday, who was on his way to a fast-break, with his hand, while laying on the floor. Would be great to see those.

The weird thing is, I blame the SPTRs for the Huskies being dirty. None of their fouls get called. When a guy can wind back and throw a ball at another player’s face and not get called for even a foul, let alone a flagrant foul, then they think they can get away with it. So they keep doing it.

Brockman, to me, is like Hansborough. Half of their offensive rebounds are gained by pushing the other player under the basket, and somehow never getting called for it. Truly annoying.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 20, 2009 11:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

maybe its just me

but i didnt think that foul on Holiday was dirty, esp in slow mo, it just looked like Holiday was trying to get out of the grasp of Brockman and fell.

by uclabruin34 on Feb 20, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

It wasn't a hard foul

it was a dirty foul. There’s a slight difference. Something to do with sportsmanship.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 20, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It look liked a grab and throw

Because Brockman is so strong, his throwdown of JH looked effortless. That’s probable why he gets away with so many fouls. His “nudges” are really shoves and the SPTRs can’t believe a player can be knocked down by a nudge.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 20, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

It looked bad at the time because Holiday went down so hard but watching the replay it looks like Brockman just wanted to hold him back to prevent a breakaway dunk after the game was already in hand.

by turs12 on Feb 20, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The call on the first play was horrible...

but the other two don’t seem all that abnormal to me. If Aboya had pushed someone in the back going for an offensive rebound, and I’m guessing he has on numerous occasions, would we think anything of it? The foul on Holiday at the end of the game was clearly out of frustration, but it was hardly a dangerous/dirty play.

Bad calls and dirty plays seem plentiful in the Pac-10 (ie: ASU charging calls, Hackett, USC-nut-shot, Aboya taking a wind-up pass in the face, etc.), but the two plays in the second video don’t seem to fit anywhere near that group.

by cabz on Feb 20, 2009 4:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs