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Post-Game Thread: Cougs Cut Up Bruin Defense, 82-81

OK, haven't done a Post-Game Thead before, but I figured somebody had to.

The Cougs shot 30-for-51 from the field, a staggering 58.8% from the field.

They hit 3s early and often against a step-slow Bruin defense, going 8-for-15 from long distance.

Taylor Rochestie went ballistic against a surprisingly wide-open defense, going 9-for-16, including 5-for-7 from the arc, to nail a career-high 33 points.

We brought some numbers, too.

Nikola Dragovic stepped up with a career-high 23 points, including 8-for-12 on field goals and 5-for-8 from behind the arc, incluidng 2 in the final minute of play.

PAA, still less-than-fresh off his dehydrated efforts of Thursday, produced another double-double with 13 points and 11 boards.

Darren Collison drove the lane in a desperate attempt to bring our Bruins back from the abyss, finishing with 20 points and 8 assists and a variety of circus layups in traffic:

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Photo Credit: AP Photo/Branimir Kvartuc

But another set of numbers stands out, as well:  1 point, 1 rebound, 4 assists, aka the partial box score line for Jrue Holiday.  A freshman started the 2nd half for us at shooting guard -- but it was the 6-5 Malcolm Lee, not Jrue.  Lee, at 6-5, seemed to have more defensive success against both Rochestie and Klay Thompson.  JH re-entered the game several minutes into the second half, but was almost non-existent, with only one point and four assists. Here is the full box score.

The score was tied, 42 all at the half.  But in a game where we went another six minutes in the second half without a bucket, the outcome was all-too-familiar.  And again, an opposing zone -- this time a 1-1-3 zone designed to double team our PGs at the top of the key -- lulled us into ill-advised shots and cooled the aggressive penetration that helped us keep the game tied at the half.

The last 2 minutes could have been an ending for the ages, one to rival the epic Gonzaga battle.  Sadly, it was not.  Too many NEAR-steals.  One too many NEAR-layups.  Far too many NEAR-sighted calls by the refs.

And it was nowhere NEAR enough.

But this was not a game won or lost by the refs, but by our Bruins.  Our defense seemed to show up ten minutes too late for tip-off, and even when we had a 4-point lead at several times in the second half, it seemed as though we had to claw our way uphill all day.

For the time being, at least, here's the Post-Game Thread.

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I was going to write a quick one

Thanks for beating me to it M. I will make little edits in terms of pics.

As for the game I thought today’s loss was simply unacceptable.

I love this team – coach and all of our players – yet this was a huge letdown by all of them.

There is no excuse for the lack of intensity and focus in today’s game. And I don’t care much about the comeback they made. That’s nice but the bottom line they didn’t come ready to play and at least for today they looked Dorrellian.

Again, don’t get me wrong, I will stick with Howland and our players. I haven’t lost faith in them. Still there is no excuse for what took place today and we should be frank enough to say it.

Oh and congrats the Cougars. Rochestie and co stepped up. DC, JS, PAA and rest of the Ben Ball warriors did not.

GO BRUINS.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Sorry if I over-stepped.

I still keep having hang-ups with pic inserts, so feel free to have at it.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Feb 21, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No worries M at all

It is all good. Thanks for doing the tough post man.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic job today M.

I refrained from posting as I was deeply upset by our lack of intensity. As a fan I cannot ask for W’s or Championships. All I can ask for is effort and we lacked in that department all day long (save the last two minutes…)
Oh, and thank you for controlling the boards M – you knew who and when to kick of the drive-by posers who joined BN today and rapid fired 5 negative posts off in a row. Good job.

B.F.

by eubruin on Feb 21, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't me...

… but we have people everywhere…

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Feb 21, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mediocre

At this point in the season, one thing has become abundantly clear: This year’s team is mediocre, and our heralded freshman recruiting class was overrated. We play inconsistent basketball on BOTH ends of the floor, have beaten one ranked team, and generally show a lack of execution, again both offensively and defensively. Our freshmen are contributing next to nothing, and instead of playing better basketball, we’re playing just as poorly as we did early in the preseason, save for that fabulous four-game stretch we had prior to the disaster in the desert.

As such, I have adjusted my expectations for this team. Wins are to be hoped for but not expected; and I’ll hold off on NCAA tournament hopes to see if we get an at-large bid. I know I’ll get some griping about that. But ask yourself, if this was last year, and we were analyzing another PAC 10 team playing the way we were, would that sound so far off?

Ben Howland is a very good coach, so I expect a better season next year, figuring that the freshmen will improve and begin delivering as advertised. But this year’s team is what it is. I’ve watched nearly every game going back to the ‘78-’79 season; I’ve lived the highs and lows, such as they’ve been post-Wooden. This simply does not appear to be our year. In the back of my mind, I have visions of finishing 5th in the PAC and winning a national title, as UofA did some years back. I have those visions because I love UCLA and believe in our coach. But ultimately, I ask myself what I would think of this team if I wasn’t a fan. There you have it.

by Bruin Die Hard on Feb 21, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too harsh an assessment, in my view ...

and too early to give up on this team. I think we have a very good team and the best is yet to come … this season.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Howland on Fox Prime Ticket

Explaining his view of the game and our mistakes on defense. Giving the Cougs the credit they deserve. Can’t believe they cut off his interview, though. Bad call Fox.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 2:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why are we getting worse?

Not counting the Lavin rejct first year of Howland, this is the first Howland team that seems to regress every week. Having seen all their games from the first week to now, I cannot recall a Howland team playing progressively poorer as the year went on…My own opinion is the team is sorely lacking talent. Outside of Collison (a very late first round draft choice), I doubt any of the players would start at North Carolina or Ucon, etc. The freshmen have significantly regressed since January. Can you think of a single frosh who has meaningfully contributed since Janauary? The lack of intensity as reflected by the usual high shooting percentage of the opponents, the lack of rebounding (even on the defensive glass), the lack of apparent urgency is even more disturbing. While I suspect this is due in part to a lack of on court leadership, I wonder if there is some team dissension or disconnect between the upper classmen and frosh…Please do not take this as a criticism of Howland, What he has done for this program is incredible, but it appears that this year’s team has too many physical and emotional holes….Without a competent point guard, we may be seeing two year downtrend????

by Gary72 on Feb 21, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hoped we could do without your negativity today.

“Emotional Holes”???? That seems a bit over-dramatic. We need to keep an even keel. This team is not through yet and they need our support now more than ever.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only was it over-dramatic

Gary’s post is baseless and speculative. He needs to take that nonsense/rumor mongering stuff somewhere else besides here.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

completely baseless.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseless...

Please, just because you disagree does not mean a civil discourse in not allowed…Please cite the specific on the court growth of any of the freshmen since Janaury. How many single-singles does JH have to put up before we start asking questions. I am not saying these players will not develop. I am saying that THIS year there has been little growth. How can you say JA has progressed? ML barely plays. Today is the first time he has seen meaningful minutes in quite a while and he was in there because JH could not guard air today. DG has probably showed the most upside, but where has he gone for the last few weeks. Again, this is not to say that next year they will not grow, but to dismiss something because you do not FEEL the same way….Just show counterarguments….

by Gary72 on Feb 21, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseless?

Why don’t you provide specific evidence of how freshmen and seniors are not getting along before making that garbage claim here on BN?

If you come here with that kind of rumor/bs about our program …you will be gone. Consider that your last warning.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AMEN

I am too worn out from screaming at Pauley to deal with this guy. Is this is really what we need right now? Jeez.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF are you smoking?

Pass that along man. Cause that must be some good shit.
Are you insane? “Team is lacking in talent” you say… what happened to the nations #1 class – it can’t possibly be totally devoid of talent. Darren Collison is not talented? PAA isn’t talented? If not, I must clearly misunderstand the definition of talented.
Lastly, this team is BY FAR the closest team in terms of their friendships and off-court relationships. I know this from the players themselves, so that is not up for discussion. Have you read any of their comments to the media this year? This is a great group of guys that are currently in a funk. We gotta get out of the funk.

B.F.

by eubruin on Feb 21, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hi eubruin

the utcome of today’s game dismayed me too. But what got the team into this late season funk then ? How should they get out of it before exiting early both at the Pac 10 and NCAA tournaments ?

I know it’s disheartening to criticize the team. But Gary72 did have a point. The freshmen haven’t really impacted the way we thought. So what gives ?

by Htse005 on Feb 21, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is, obviously, a phenomenal question.

I personally think that it is the composition of this year’s team that can be a bit problematic. It is actually the exact opposite of what Gary mentioned (disconnect). If you think of the seniors they have not been the “go-to fire-em’-up guys” as in previous years. For that role we had AA, RW, JF and even to some extent KL.

And guess what, we will in the future with DG and ML (perhaps JMM too). The obvious exclusion here is Jerime Anderson, who I view more as a Darren Collison type.

That said, it seems that the upperclassmen have accomplished more than they could ever have asked and hoped for and thus may not be hungry for success anymore.
And the freshmen are… well freshmen. DG’s statement after our early season losses notwithstanding, they cannot be asked to carry this team. For that we have to default to the seniors.

The so-called funk then, manifests itself whenever we are facing adversity and in need of a clear leader. Someone who will smack the floor (not like Hackett does, but with class), and get everyone else pumped up. Someone who will crack the whip when someone misses a layup and be playing at 110% at all times. Problem is, that is not the personalities of our seniors.

Take Shipp for example. I muffle many of my opinions re Shipp as I find him to be a total enigma. He is hot, cold, soft, hard, on, off etc etc. His shooting drought’s can be unbearable to watch, but his game winning miracle shots are also some of the most memorable UCLA BB moments I have. It would be great to see Shipp firing up not only shots, but also his team-mates. Yes he does when we are winning, but when he goes cold and things aren’t all dandy, his low-percentage bombs are discouraging to the rest of the team. This further induces the funk.

So in a way you can say that it is all about momentum, flow, and confidence for this team. When we are firing on all engines, we are a phenomenal team. Face a little adversity and the air seeps out of the balloon, sometimes.
That is the puzzling thing about this team. Our late drives when down by 10, 15, 20 pts all show that sometimes we feed off of adversity. It isn’t constant – which makes me think that it is a mental issue. We have the talent, ability, and coach to win every game we play until April, but right now we have some soul-searching to do in order to get out of this funk.

Which brings one last, crushing realization. Darren Collison came back to win with UCLA (I think because he wanted to improve his draft AND pay back Howland for getting him to the top – yes, I actually believe in honor these days). This type of season is not what Collison came back for (actually, lol, what do I know, maybe he is enjoying himself in WWood instead of Milwaukee).
What is pretty obvious, though, is that he could justifiably want more from this season, and I truly think that his teammates owe it to him. He forewent millions to make this a better team. I think he deserves much more.

FF

B.F.

by eubruin on Feb 21, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great, that makes sense

Somebody alluded to Arizona winning it all that season they placed 5th in the conference, was swept by us etc.

Well, I hope we CAN replicate it but loyal as I do, over the years to Bruin BB, I must take a wait and see attitude these two weeks. Collison cannot win it all by himself without help and you’re right about Shipp. He is explosive one game and then quiet, laidback another game within the same week.

Drew Gordon bursts with talents and athleticism, always chomps at the bit, ready to take off. He’ll be a significant player on the team next year. Meanwhile, Pauley still awaits Holiday to blossom. No matter how this season turns out ultimately, he’ll make a major mistake to bolt for the pros this summer.

Maybe Westwood does trump Milwaukee in Collison’s mind, but we all like him. These utterly disappointing losses genuinely ill served him.

by Htse005 on Feb 21, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly right,

it breaks my heart to know that this season is doing little to help his draft stock, if not outright hurting his chances. I hope, for many obvious reasons, that the team blows up in the tournament and allows him to showcase his talents. He certainly deserves it.

B.F.

by eubruin on Feb 21, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember Michell Butler ?

He was part of Harrick’s second group of recruits. I still remember he gave a philosophical yet sentimentally proud response to a TV commentator after his last home game at Pauley.

His team struggled throughout the season in the shadow of Stanford and of course Arizona in those years. He acknowledged the fact that at UCLA, the standard always would be high. He knew it before going in and even though two of his cohorts transferred ( their names escaped me now ), he stuck with the program. I recalled Butler being a highly touted small forward from a small private school in North Hollywood, with immense expectations to jump start the program.

Despite his team’s woes, Butler did get drafted and lasted quite a while in the NBA as a journeyman.

Collison has speed, skills similar to Tyus’. But we all know the latter had the caliber of support not even last year’s KLove team can compare. That distraught photograph of Collison at midcourt stays in my mind and bugs me. I know precisely what went through his head at that instant, after the frenetic pace to overtake the Cougars failed. To see him return this season, only to be confronted by such utterly uninspired, inconsistent team losses is so UNFAIR for a player with such a champion’s heart.

Somebody said we owed him and we do. But this isn’t any particular individual’s shortcomings that caused it. You diagnosed it well, almost like a veteran surgeon delineating his patient’s ailments. I can only see Howland & company intensely reviewing tapes of upcoming teams, strategize on their trip north. But no matter the outcomes, the final conference rankings, this is UCLA. We turn another chapter when the postseason tournaments begin.

by Htse005 on Feb 21, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with Nestor RE: Comeback

There are games where the comebacks are nice and welcome. This is a game where they didn’t show up and didn’t show much intensity for about half the game, it’s not that exciting that they actually brought intensity the last few minutes.

by Raisin on Feb 21, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Its not us, its them

It isnt that our defense is substantially worse now than in prior years or even earlier this season. It is that Pac 10 teams have figured out how to play against CBH’s system.

Big guys are more comfortable kicking out of double teams, they dont try and run as many ball screens allowing us to hedge, and teams run a lot more double pick baseline curls on us.

It is similar to how USC football has tough times in Pac 10 play, teams are used to playing against them and have figured out weaknesses in their system.

Yes, we could have played better today. But with the way Rochestie was shooting today, there wasn’t much defense anyone could have played that would have been able to shut him down.

by bruinponcho on Feb 21, 2009 2:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

The interior help and hedge defense is slow and poor. Much worse than previous seasons when Luc and Lo were around (and also, when Aboya was the helper – he was great with the aggressive double team…now that he’s starting, he’s the one who needs to get help). DC’s defense has been inconsistent this season. He was great against teams like USC and ND. He was brutal today against Rochestie and has struggled a lot more this season than in years past. Shipp and Holiday aren’t great defenders (hopefully Jrue can make the RW jump). There is no Bozeman/Afflalo/Westbrook on the perimeter.

That isn’t to say that maybe coaches are adjusting but I can see many more holes on this team’s defense anyways. It’s tough to judge improvements when this team’s defense is the worst since JF/AA/JS/LMR were freshmen.

by Raisin on Feb 21, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

There is no doubt that we don’t have the individual defenders that we have had in the past. I was just pointing out that when we have this combined with other teams figuring us out it combines for the defensive problems that we are currently experiencing.

I was really encouraged by ML today. He is a livewire and can cause a lot of disruption out there. I would like to see MR moved into the starting lineup with JH being the backup pg and ML getting more time backing up JH and JS. Will that happen, only CBH knows. But I think it would provide for some more stability in the starting lineup with a better bench because JA is not ready this year to fulfill the role that he has been asked to fill.

by bruinponcho on Feb 21, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ML

Is above average for a freshman defender. His length and speed will make him the best defender on the team next year. I hope he gets a bit of muscle on him this offseason, he’ll make the freshman-to-soph jump that guys like Westbrook, DC and Mata have made in years past.

by Raisin on Feb 21, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I sense it too. I remember Coach Howland saying that Malcolm Lee is farther along than Russell Westbrook was at that point in his freshman season. I’d like to see Malcolm improve his shooting and take more shoots during games.

by chenalex on Feb 21, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Westbrook had the tools but he was beat bad defensively his freshman year. All 3 freshman guards are more advanced than RW at the same time and Lee definitely has the tools to be an elite defender. I hope Jrue comes back, that’d be one dynamic backcourt with all the experience they’ve gotten.

I also like Malcom’s jump shot, I just think he needs more playing time to feel comfortable and not rush on offense (Not rush on offense? Sounds like freshman RW.)

by Raisin on Feb 21, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good comparison

I see a lot of RW in ML. While ML isn’t the athlete that RW is, but he is taller and longer. Both are rangy and active, seem at times as if they are completely out of control, and dont have the bets of jump shots. Yet, RW has parlayed that combination into being one of the better young point guards in the NBA and hopefully ML will make that jump this summer to being a quality player like RW did going into his sophmore year.

Like I said above, I hope ML gets more playing time over the next couple of games and JH plays the backup point to both get them ready for next year (no way JH is leaving right now) and make the current team better as well.

by bruinponcho on Feb 21, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YESSS!! Bruinponcho you beat me to it.

I dont know what y’all’s reaction is to this but I think Roll Definitely should start a couple games over JH. the kidd just is not performing to what he can and I think a good ’ol reality check with some bench time would help him.

by harveyismyboy on Feb 21, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This might be true

It has occurred to me our problem could be that the other PAC coaches could have figured Howland out. It might also be that this year’s team doesn’t have the tools to run Howland’s defense adequately, but that next year, our young guys will have developed and will be able to get it done. Right now either is an option in terms of what’s wrong with our D.

by Bruin Die Hard on Feb 21, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Before the game today, the spirit squad lectured the Den on how we were the quietest group in 10 years. There were a couple of new pre-game videos today, including one with Darren Collison saying we were going to “eat the Cougars for breakfast.” Perhaps that provided extra motivation for their hot start? Maybe, maybe not.

I thought we were really fortunate to come out of the first half tied. During the first half , there were some bad calls that went WSU’s way and I have never seen Ben Howland so upset. He and the bench were actually asked to sit down several times throughout the second half. While being there live didn’t give us the benefit of replays, I thought there were a lot of fouls in the second half that should’ve been called, including two fouls that would’ve sent Jerime Anderson to the line twice and the WSU player’s flying elbows (In any conference but the Pac-10, that player probably would’ve gotten a T or an ejection). I thought Malcolm Lee played great defense but got called for a non-foul on Rochestie that gave him his fourth foul, and his block on Aaron Baynes looked pretty clean from the Den.

The lack of defensive intensity really bothered me. I never thought our offense was an issue, but there was one extremely frustrating play that ended up in a 5-point swing late in the second half. Josh Shipp should have (and could have) threw it down hard, which would’ve cut the deficit to 3 AND energized the crowd. I also thought Baynes should’ve fouled out earlier. There was one play that looked suspiciously like an over-the-back foul but the refs called an offensive interference. I don’t know what it actually was but without the benefit of replays, I only go by what I see. A lot of the Den was mad at the refs for the 5 out of bounds play, but I thought there were only 2 that should’ve gone our way. Still, it was very frustrating.

Props to Darren and Nikola for their hard-fought effort. Josh Shipp should really learn how to finish around the basket. Missing layups hurts a lot more than missing 3’s.

Jrue Holiday played with an absolute lack of intensity. On one defensive sequence, Jrue and another WSU player were fighting for the ball underneath WSU’s basket. Jrue seriously looked like he gave up, and the WSU player scored an easy layup.

I’m pretty sure we’re going to drop out of the rankings after today, and even if we win out, I don’t think we’ll be back in the top 20 again (unless we win the Pac-10 Tourney).

by chenalex on Feb 21, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My focus now is simply getting ready for The Big Dance

I’ve already accepted in my mind that we’re gonna be shipped into the same bracket as the overall number 1 pick. Why? We got 3 consective final 4’s. I see the committee saying “Make those M.F’s EARN it!”. No more benefit of the doubt this year. Fine with me. Besides, I don’t NEED any breaks.

Next, in the name of getting ready for the tornament, I’d like to see some experimenting on defense with way more press action, traps, deflections… which lead to transition buckets. I’m challenging Ben to challenge our boys to keep our opponets under 20 points per half. ok… 25 max. We do THAT, and our wins will be automatic (especially if we push steals to the hole, and nix trying to set-up our so-called offense. DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE. Period. Defense.

Finally… if I’m Ben, I make that Pac-10 tournament our SERIOUS dress rehearsal.
Be STILL are a very dangerous team that even the coaches of the top 4 seeds don’t really wanna see. Why? 1. Ben Howland. 2. We’ve shown enough flashes of brilliance this season to be dangerous in a 1 and Done tournament… even if we haven’t beat a ranked team this year. 3. Even LAVIN had the ability to SURPRISE the number 1 ranked team in the country. We’re UCLA, dammit. THE College Basketball Program of the NCAA.

by BruinAlum on Feb 21, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We can't lose our focus ....

Next weekend in the bay area is going to be huge, now even more than before. We can still get at least a share of the PAC-10 championship.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we HAPPEN to get a share of the Pac 10 Title, so be it.

I want an appearance in the Final for, and a SHOT to win a National Title.
With our players, if I preached winning the Pac-10, I think there would be a mental let down as soon as the season was over. We’re too mentally weak as a squad for that.

I opt, instead to preach to our kids that We are UCLA, and we aim to win TITLES.
I remind our kids that are REAL SEASON is far from over.
I gotta keep my kids mindset in this thing THROUGH APRIL! Not the next 2 weeks.

My Focus is SHARP and CLEAR! Join me!

by BruinAlum on Feb 21, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First things first ...

Too early to look ahead to the NCAA tournament when we have four more league games AND the PAC-10 Tournament. If we keep growing and take care of business there, that experience should carry forward to the NCAA tournament.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too early to look ahead? Huh?

I’m sorry. This is UCLA basketball. We ONLY look at the tournament. Everything else is just dressing. (Did I miss the memo that we no longer EXPECT our goal to be a National Title? Ummm, do you hear the LAKERS trying to get a lock on the Pacifc Division? Ummm, are the Yankees gettin geared up to win the American League East? Ahhhh, are the Cowboys wondering how they’re gonna win the NFC East?) That’s funny, Snorkie!

by BruinAlum on Feb 21, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhmmm

How long have you been around on BN? We do have a motto here on taking one game at a time. If you want to think about the tourney … you can do that looking ahead somewhere else.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's about the journey, not just the destination

You should take a long vacation somewhere and stop to smell the flowers along the way.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

This comment is full of FAIL and LOSE.

by Tydides on Feb 21, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for deleting that ridiculous post.

Today was particularly bad on the boards.

B.F.

by eubruin on Feb 21, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right now

UNC losing would keep me from getting out that bottle of Jack.

by bruin8uclap on Feb 21, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t mind watching UW, Cal, and ASU all go down today either.

by chenalex on Feb 21, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If UW

could go down today, I might actually feel happy today.

by bruin8uclap on Feb 21, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not going to watch the game though. It’s very hard for me to actively root for SUC so I’m just going to sit tight and wait for tonight.

by chenalex on Feb 21, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be watching

if for nothing else than a chance to see a full on brawl occur in a game between two teams with a history of taking cheap shots and thuggish behavior. In other news: UNC LOSES!!!

by bruin8uclap on Feb 21, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

$c winning could not make me feel happy but if UW and Cal lose today and ASU loses tomorrow, that will help my mood. I just got home from Pauley and man was that a tough one. This sucks. Well, we just have to win out and hope for a little help. GO BRUINS!!!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

Looks like you can keep the Jack on the shelf! UNC goes down.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My liver

thanks Maryland!

by bruin8uclap on Feb 21, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll always be behind the team and CBH

But, man, after these losses, I feel like I’ve been punched in the gut. I don’t believe UCLA is out talented by any of the teams on the schedule. I understand L’s at UW, UT, UA – those are tough games. But at home vs. ASU, WSU? Mich? We have not seen that type of inconsistency in 2+ years. It may have been too much to ask of DC to keep this team on such a high level when you lose KL, RW, and LRMAM. Not saying this team can’t do some damage the rest of the year, but unless they find that defensive focus and intensity for 40 minutes, and find a “go to” guy on offense when we struggle; it could be an early end to the season. Another gut check road trip coming up this week.

by Nakatomi Plaza on Feb 21, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maryland holds on against UNC ...

With a strong finish, they may make the tournament yet. They’ve looked uncharacteristically spotty this year, though, don’t think they’ll be up to it.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We just didn't bring it today...and this is what we get for our efforts

I’m behind CBH and our team, but today was not a showcase of the kind of effort that they are capable of. The frustrating thing is that I feel like our level of talent and experience should keep us from losing to teams like WSU. Rochestie was just unconscious today, and it really made me miss having RW or LRMAM to lock him down. However, the defensive intensity that I saw the last 2 minutes make me think we SHOULD have been doing a better job the other 38 minutes of the game.

Lazy layups and lack of defense really killed it for us today. There were positive moments in the game from ND I think, and PAAputting up another double double, however I dont take much comfort in our “almost comeback.” I’ll take a Gonazaga moment when we’re getting beat in every possible way throughout the entire game and we hang tough and get down and dirty to fight for the win. However, we shouldn’t have even been in that kind of position today…to be behind in a HOME gamewhere we SHOULD have won and outclassed our opponent. This team has the talent to be much better, but theyre letting their moments and opportunities slip them by. Our run for a 4th straight Pac 10 crown looks to be getting dimmer and dimmer

by BMV268 on Feb 21, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

FYI

Cal 40 OSU 38 witj 12:30 remianing… GO BEAVERS!!!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

typos everywhere

“remaining”. I think my brain is off after that loss. :(

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This team has been very inconsistent late in the season. There are many possible reasons why this is so. The first thing is there does not appear to be a consistent on-the-court leader for the team. Collison is supposed to be that guy, but he cannot do it alone, and there were times when he couldn’t do it because of the heavy minutes he logged. No other player has really stepped up.

The loss of so many good players to the NBA hurt the team in many areas, and it was unreasonable to expect other players to just suddenly step into that void. We all wanted Holiday to fill up the scoring that Love’s absence left, but how often are you gonna get that kind of consistent performance from an incoming freshman? The one that really hurt is losing Luc Richard, because he did a lot of the little things that do not show up on the scoreboard with his basketball smarts. It was unrealistic to expect Keefe to suddenly take his place, or even the freshman Gordon. Bobo has not been able to replace Mata’s contributions.

The freshmen inconsistency has been most alarming, especially among the second unit. They have been prone to turnovers and defensive lapses, just like the others. Just because there are 3 seniors, we expected them all to step up to be leaders, but I don’t think any of them are the vocal, on-court leaders that UCLA has had in the past with players like Thompson, Farmar, Afflalo, even Love. Also, the freshmen have deferred to the upperclassmen on practically every play. None of them have been assertive in creating offensive for themselves or forcing the action defensively.

The focus and lack of intensity, especially on the defensive end is not because of coaching. It seems that this team has been more prone to defensive lapses than any other recent UCLA team. That’s on the players and they know it. For stretches at a time they do not play UCLA basketball, which is the most frustrating aspect of their struggles. The players get too tentative trying to play Howland basketball instead of just playing it.

The solution to all of their problems starts with defense. If they bring it on that end of the floor, then they have nothing to worry about… Too often this season even after they score, I hope that UCLA can get a stop. This is in contrast to past years where after they scored, I knew they were gonna get a stop. If they bring the defensive intensity from start to finish, the team will do fine. The question of course, is when they’re gonna start doing it again?

by UCLA4Life on Feb 21, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A lot of good points

If I may comment, we’ve been inconsistent late in the season before (dropping the first game of the Pac 10 Tournament a couple years back comes to mind after losing the one before that). Not that you ever want to be slumping or that now is a good time to slump but it’s happened, and this time around is as disturbing to me as all the other ones.

I’m also not quite sure why freshmen being inconsistent stands out to you. For freshmen not named Love, Rose, or Carmelo, being a freshman is practically synonymous with inconsistency.

by Tydides on Feb 21, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Made the same comment re. freshmen below. RW wasn’t exactly “consistent” his freshman year either.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It stands out

Only because this late in the season, I expect the freshmen to have some idea of what they can contribute to the team as I’m sure the coaching staff has defined the roles for them. But too often I find that their play is one of confusion that cohesion. You never know each night what you’re gonna get from any of them on either end of the floor.

by UCLA4Life on Feb 21, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that answers the question

Confusion is a part of inconsistency. If the players themselves had those answers they certainly wouldn’t struggle as much. It’s not the coaches job to decide your role. You earn your role through hard work and a development of your natural strengths. For instance, if coaches decided roles, a guy like Dragovic would be the same as Mike Roll. Instead, we see Mike developing an inside game as a ball handler and Dragovic expanding his game as an off the ball slasher. These skills have been integrated into the offense not because the coaches said “you need to do this”. They demonstrated an ability to do things with consistency and thus we see them featured more often.

by Tydides on Feb 21, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OSU Looking Good

Just hit a big 3 and they are up 44-42…

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The way OSU is playing

I can see us losing to them at Pauley.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man

I KNOW! They are balling right now. Let’s hope the team that played Cal, Stanford, $c and Notre Dame comes back for the rest of the season!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the whole game.

Did we look THAT bad?? Fuck.

Sorry for language but im just frustrated because the players need to realize how important games these late in season are.

by harveyismyboy on Feb 21, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Watch your fucking language! LOL! I know the feeling – I heard a ton of F bombs at Pauley today. Frustrating loss.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OSU 55 Cal 50

WIth 3 minutes left. OSU just hit a BIG 3.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

OMG

Is anyone else watching this? What GREAT plays the Beavers are making. Just made a great reverse alley-oop. 57-50 Beavs.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now up 7 with 2:34!

gotta love those Beavs! And we need to take them seriously when they come visit us in two weeks. No let up or we could be their next victims.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now 61-54 Beavs

with 39 seconds remaining. It’s a FT shooting contest on the Beaver’s end.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jrue?

Can we talk about his troubles without “going negative” on him? He seems like a great kid and, at times, a phenomenal talent. I just want to know what the deal is.

by bbrruuiinn on Feb 21, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think we certainly can talk about JH's issues

and we have done it repeatedly here on BN. He is getting burned on defense – repeatedly. He is playing without focus and not showing a lot of aggressiveness on offense. I am not down on the kid. Perhaps we were expecting too much from him. Keep in mind RW didn’t blossom till his second year. AA or JF didn’t completely take control till their second year. It will take time for JH but he clearly is having problems.

by Nestor on Feb 21, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember

what a difficult game RW had his freshman year vs. West Virginia? People were calling him out, criticizing CBH for not having him ready, etc. Fortunately it worked out for everyone involved. Also, unlike JH, RW wasn’t thrust into such a demanding role immediately in his freshman year. Even as a sophmore when DC was recovering from his knee surgery early in the year, RW was shaky and unsure.

Maybe coming in off the bench will be a role that JH can embrace an flourish under for the remainder of the season, or at least next week. IIRC, DC was the spark off the bench that really propelled us to the Gonzaga comeback a few years ago.

A little time, patience, and perspective will go a long way.

by sausmaf on Feb 21, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree

I just keep thinking he will have a breakout game and there is still time! I just hate to lose a kid after one year and not get much benefit from him. I want to see him win some games for us! I noticed he didn’t start the 2nd half for the first time. Maybe they talked about this on TV but I assumed Howland benched him? He was on #1 in the first half and that guy had 15 points. Well, let’s just hope he improves before he leaves! GO BRUINS!!!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't able to watch the game

so going off of the comments here:

It’s a bit worrisome that we are still this inconsistent relatively late in the season. To be fair, developing freshman into championship caliber takes more than a year… keep in mind that they have to acclimate to college environment as well.

Kevin Love had the fortune of being the only really new guy, with the rest of the team already “developed” and in the mindset. But this year we lost our defensive glue in Luc, and Westbrook, and Love—3 starters. I don’t know about next year either, since we’ll lose Collison and Aboya.

by dokein on Feb 21, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just got home from the game

I wish I could join the conversation, but I’m running a late for a flight. But I did want to share this image from the game, just after the buzzer sounded:

collison

by insomniacslounge on Feb 21, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Awww man

That kills me! I just love DC! Let’s hope this pumps them up for their next game(s). No More Losses!!!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

damn it...

I love DC and it kills me that he came back for one more year to see games like today…come on guys! I’m gonna go kick the trash can or something…ugh!

by BMV268 on Feb 21, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this is truly heartbreaking

he really put his career aspirations on the line to come back and play here one more year, I know this hurts him even more than it hurts me.

O.A.

by Ollie on Feb 21, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man.

I just want to give DC a hug, and I don’t think that would make him feel any better.

by freesia39 on Feb 21, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am very glad and proud he's a Bruin, but he now has a decision to make...

He is a SENIOR.

He is a three-year STARTING point guard.

He has played in three FINAL FOURS.

He is described during EVERY nationally televised game as one of the FASTEST point guards in Division 1.

He is the LEADER of this team.

Is he going to let these losses continue?

We are a TEAM. We play as a unit. We rely on each other. No one person wins or loses a game…

BUT, one player can help lift others, push others, inspire others, motivate others… DRIVE OTHERS.

He has speed. Speed kills… but only when it is used.

At the end of the game today, we saw DC drive into traffic with determination and a dose of desperation… and he almost carried us all the way over the top.

Almost. Tyus Edney may have been just as fast, and he was definitely shorter AND lighter.
 
And he scored INSIDE.

UW’s Isaiah Thomas is nowhere nearly as experienced, but he scores INSIDE.

In recent weeks, DC has shied away from inside drives at the first sign of zone or hedge or shift by the D.

Today, DC used the lane as his personal runway, taking off and landing to press the pace.

I said DC had a decision to make… and it’s this:

WILL HE ALLOW A LOSS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN?

WILL HE ALLOW IT?

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Feb 21, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Damn.

To see a heart that big, breaking.

Kills me.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Feb 22, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

OSU up 9 with 15 seconds. I think that’s it ladies and gentleman!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

OSU Sweeps Cal

They won both times. This was their last home game. Nice way to go out for them. What a difference a year makes. Final score 65-54.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I sure hate rooting for the Trojies and the Wildcats ...

but we could sure use a big favor from the both of them.

by snorkeldorf on Feb 21, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pinkie

looks like a homeless person. Can someone give him a haribrush and a better looking coat?

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I don’t think I can watch this with Petros’ yelling in the background. I don’t think I will ever go to a game there. That would drive me CRAZY.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Efficiency...

UCLA: 127.6 points per 100 possessions
WSU: 122.4 points per 100 possessions

I guess it’s a strange quirk in the calculation of possessions.

by SuperBruinMan on Feb 21, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Our defense

Was just atrocious all game. Giving up 58% shooting from the field is just plain bad. Our offense was excellent again, against a good WSU defense (but not a great one, they lost a lot of talent too)…. but we’ve been playing like UNC last year – great offense, poor defense.

That said, people need to stop having unreasonable expectations of our freshmen. As I’ve posted elsewhere before, freshmen coming in and dominating are NOT the norm. Outside of Carmelo, no freshmen have come in and been the key player in winning a championship. Rose and Oden took their teams to the championship game, but that ignores the fact that Oden came in with a great recruiting class, Rose came onto an experienced athletic team with lots of seniors, and that all 3 of those names are once in a generation kind of talents.

Think of all the great player’s we’ve seen over these last few years that came in as freshmen phenoms. Durant? Clobbered by SUC in the 2nd round. Beasley? Lost in the 2nd round.

It took Kansas’s #1 ranked class of 2005 a whole 3 years to make it to a final four and win a championship. UNC’s #4 ranked 2005 and #1 ranked 2006 class took 3 years to make it to a final four… where they were soundly blown out by Kansas. You can’t look at our class and say they’ve been a dissapointment when they haven’t played a full year yet. You have to look at it years from now to even be a fair judge of this.

by blinkshot on Feb 21, 2009 4:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting perspective

When we talk about recruiting “rankings”, Shipp is the last guy from a top 5 class remaining (I think). Two members of that class now play in the league. DC, Roll, and Aboya were part of a top 15 class and one could argue that the crown jewel of that class (Luc) is gone, and another guy transferred. The early defections have decimated the classes that came after that, with Keefe and Drago as the only guys left from 2 consecutive classes (Love, Westbrook, and Stanback transferring). What this means for our 5 man freshman class is that there is a lot of opportunity to be had this season but there is going to be even more potential for them to blaze their own trail starting next year.

I honestly don’t know where people get the idea that freshmen should be ready right away, when it’s almost always a certainty that they will not be. If they are, or if they are able to hold their own for a while, congratulations, you’ve hit the jackpot.

by Tydides on Feb 21, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Contributing freshman...

“I honestly don’t know where people get the idea that freshmen should be ready right away, when it’s almost always a certainty that they will not be.”

I remember one.

Kevin Love.

by waters96 on Feb 21, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I did.

I think Kevin Love made a big contribution to the team last year. I consider our trip to the Final Four last year a great success. I was hoping a freshman from our top recruiting class would make a similar contribution this year.

by waters96 on Feb 21, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KLove

Was part of one of the most talented recruiting years EVER in basketball history. The fact that the one year rule was put in is the only reason most of these players even sniffed college basketball. Rose, Love, Beasley, Mayo and prior to that Durant and Oden all could’ve made the jump had the rule not been put in.

Expecting freshmen to come in and contribute as what a bunch of literally-NBA-ready players were is unreasonable. Obviously, teams hit jackpots with players that come in and become impact players right away, but of all the D1 teams and new players that come in, how many of them get that same impact immediately?

There are two kinds of talent that go into college that can play in the NBA. There is born-to-be-in-the-NBA talent such as Carmelo, Rose, Durant, Oden (and if Dwight Howard, Lebron, Kobe, Garnett, etc. had gone to college too – those guys would’ve utterly dominated the NCAA). They are rare and far in between, but they make immense impacts.

Then there is talent that has potential to be in the NBA, but they need seasoning. No one projected Westbrook as a top 5 pick during his freshman year – but he showed flashes of potential. Brandon Roy was an incredible player, but he stayed 4 years before he went on to the NBA (where he’s developed into a star). Farmar and Afflalo were both seen as NBA 1st round picks, but they stayed 2 and 3 years to develop into being a safe 1st round pick.

We’re just skewed by the immense amount of talent that came in during 2007 due to the one and done rule and all the hype around how Melo won it all in 2003. These things are actually rare and few and far in between throughout college hoops.

by blinkshot on Feb 21, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

also

Wanted to add a another name you can think about. Tim Duncan went to Wake Forest and stayed a whole FOUR YEARS there. He never won a championship. Heck, he was held scoreless his first collegiate game and struggled as a freshman trying to adjust to the game. He then blossomed into one of the best players in the game by his senior season, but who wouldve seen him become arguably the greatest power forward in the game’s history?

Even the greatest players struggle as freshmen. It’s how they develop that determines whether they were a great recruit or not

by blinkshot on Feb 21, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You conveniently left out an important part of his statement...

“If they are, or if they are able to hold their own for a while, congratulations, you’ve hit the jackpot.” It’s not that it can’t happen or never does. Of course there are times, but as a rule you can’t expect freshman to come in and make big contributions.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DING DING DING

Freshmen may have flashes of brilliance. They may help you win individual games. But as a rule, they are inconsistent, and this is what made KLove such a unique player. He was your everyday starter. Good for a double double. Solid as can be. That’s a freshmen that is “ready”. We can hope to get more guys like Kevin, but if anyone expects that then they are simply setting themselves up for disappointment, because it just doesn’t happen.

by Tydides on Feb 21, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I think we’re having a disconnect. We all know that last year’s success had A LOT to do with Love. Hell, if he were still here we would be top 5 today. I think Ty was just saying it is a rarity for a freshman to contribute like that and it seemed you were arguing that point.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Disappointment

but not in any player, the team or the coach. When you have such high expectations, losses are that much harder to take. But trust me, we are spoiled fans and we are not going to lower expectations. This team is not as strong as last year and there is more parity in the Pac 10 as well. I am always surprised how good our stat line looks in our losses. With the exception of the loss to Arizona, our “problem” seems to be finishing the last 5 minutes. I didn’t take the time to reconstruct the losses, but I believe we were leading at the 5 minute mark in each. I am more disappointed in the empty seats at Pauley. I just don’t get it. A top 25 team late in the season battling for 1st place, and we’re not packing them in? What gives?

by Vanman7475 on Feb 21, 2009 4:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it either

Even Thursday night, one of the biggest home games of the year, wasn’t full. All year I have noticed that most of the time, its not nearly as loud as it used to be. I have no explanation, except that maybe some fans are too spoiled? We lose a few games, and they don’t come? Who knows, but I know I’ll be there!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crowd

I think there are two issues:

1) We’re in LA and the crowds here are just too laid back in general
2) There is no denying that many of the donors and long-time season ticket holders are aging. I’d like to imagine that when I’m 80 I’ll still be yelling at the SPTRs, but I’ll probably instead clap from my seat for the handful of games I decide to attend.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Feb 21, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it

- Why did we not try to take it to Baynes to draw his 4th foul earlier in the 2nd?
- Why did we stop trying to get the ball down low to Aboya in the 2nd?
- Why does it take us so long to get into our offense in the half-court set?
- Why do we (Collison) have such trouble with strong, aggressive guards?
- What happened to our intensity?
- Why is JH ranked so highly in the mock draft? (He has literally disappeared.)

I’m not feeling as disappointed today as I have felt other days (like the 1st ASU game), but I don’t get this team or some of CBH’s decisions (see above). I am not used to his teams being so up and down like we have been this year. And I don’t subscribe to the “we are young” philosophy with 3 veteran starters and others who have been in his program for several years. Sure we need our freshman to perform but we are near the end of the season and I am not seeing the consistency I expected—especially from JH. JA is a mystery to me at this point. And ML’s limited playing time before today is also questionable to me (perhaps having to do with his injury earlier this year). DG brings a lot of energy and athleticism but he is really rough around the edges in his play on both ends of the court and may be a bit too emotional.

I have hope that CBH and the seniors can pull the team together and begin a run starting this week in the tough games in the Bay Area. We shall see. The journey continues…

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Feb 21, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

JH

I looked about 2 weeks ago and Holiday was #4 on this mock draft. I checked it today and…nowhere to be found. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/ Maybe they are assuming he is not coming out so they took him off? That was a QUICK tumble, but I really think he needs another year and I would love to see him as a sophmore, so I’ll take it!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On the plus side

If USC holds on and Arizona wins tomorrow, it’ll be like this game never happened. And there will be a 5-way tie for first in the Pac-10.

by SuperBruinMan on Feb 21, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, tho it is hard to root for either $C or the standard

so i’m just hoping UW and ASU lose…

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Feb 21, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man

I can’t root either but I watch them and it feels like they are trying to lose this one! Like are you guys just trying to bug me? LOL. Well, its always good when the trOJans lose, but UW losing would be nice!

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

USC had a lead

But UW’s now up 5 with under a minute to go.

by SuperBruinMan on Feb 21, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dopes

Man, they need to go ahead and lose the rest of their games, play on Wed night in the Pac-10 Tourney and be done with it.

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Trojans lose

and fail to help us.

by Vanman7475 on Feb 21, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Don't Look Now...

but Oregon is actually up one point on Stanford with 6 minutes left. Could the winless streak be over for the Ducks?

by uclafan11 on Feb 21, 2009 6:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dang, 68-60

And hey, Texas beat Oklahoma while Griffin was out with a concussion. That can’t hurt us.

by jaffa on Feb 21, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree somewhat on the approach to our comeback

I see it as highly encouraging, and not just from the standpoint of “they showed heart and pride”. We nearly came back to win, down more points than the time left on the clock (per this excellent article, that only happens about 20% of the time in the NBA). We had a chance at a win we probably shouldn’t have had if you look at the rest of the game. We nearly stole it.

I think that tendency to play well down the stretch bodes well for the tourney, way down the line. We made a push against Arizona and Arizona State, and pulled away from Washington at the end. It’s not good to be down, but we have some skill at getting back 5-10 point deficits (of course, it didn’t really make a difference against Arizona). Within a couple, it pretty much comes down to luck that we seem to be completely missing. And in the tournament, it doesn’t matter at all whether or not you’ve played well or ‘deserve’ to win, just that you pull it out.

Part of that luck is the referees we have to deal with, and how they call the game. Looking at the last two minutes from today in isolation, there were at least a few blown calls that would certainly have given us an edge, probably the last points to put us over the top. Of course we need to play better, but I still think we should have won this game, despite our failings. The same goes for the game at Arizona State. I have to think we won’t be up against the same level of ineptitude as we get in the conference.

We definitely need to play better, just as everybody else in the thread has pointed out. But that doesn’t mean we didn’t get jobbed at the end. We somehow got into a position to win despite ourselves — I like that. Priority #1 remains playing better, because we still have time to improve. Maybe the loss is indeed better, so we don’t gloss over the game. That still doesn’t excuse the refs’ performance in the last two minutes.

by jaffa on Feb 21, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

time to get over it

OK its time stop saying what if we had KL,RW,LRBM or AA there gone and not coming back. Lets focuse on the players we have now. stop bring up players we do not have any more.

by kyl57es on Feb 21, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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