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A Glorious Day: Recruiting Notes/Thoughts

Let's start with Dohn's toplines on the start of the glorious signing day:

The sun was yet to rise on the island of Oahu, Hawaii, but it had already broke above the Wasatch Mountains on what turned into a glorious Wednesday in Westwood.

Xavier Su-a-Filo, an offensive lineman from Provo, Utah, called Kapoeli offensive lineman Stan Hasiak at 5 a.m. Hawaiian Standard Time to break the news.

"I told him (Tuesday) I was going to UCLA, and he called me (Wednesday) at 5 o'clock in the morning to say he was coming to UCLA," Hasiak said. "I hope I helped with him. I think it's really good."

So began a wildly successful day for UCLA, which pushed aside a 4-8 season to finish a stellar recruiting class by signing four highly rated and previously uncommitted players during Wednesday's national football signing day.

The first time I started following Bruin recruiting was probably in 1993. Back in the day we would just look into the paper the morning after signing day or try to listen in one of the local sports talk shows (is Joe McDonnell still around?) and figure out who the Bruins were signing. I cannot recall the kind of excitement we experienced yesterday since the signing day of 1998 when DeShaun Foster helped UCLA put together one of the best classes in the country (picking us over the Longhorns and the Trojies). Yesterday was incredible.

It was specially gratifying for those of us who have stayed steady dealing with setbacks through the recruiting roller coaster.

Again just where do we start. We can start by talking about how the Bruins addressed their need at OL. Of course Hasiak and XSF are the huge (no pun intended) stories of this class. From the LA Times:

"They're on the rise, I believe, and I think I can go help them," Su'a-Filo told ESPNU. "The coaching staff is awesome and I really connected with a lot of players over there."

The Bruins bulked up their line prospects with Nik Abele of Irvine, Greg Capella of Visalia El Diamante and community college transfers Ryan Taylor (Tyler College) and Eddie Williams (Mt. San Antonio College).

"We went in [to recruiting] knowing that the offensive line was one of our biggest needs," Neuheisel said.

As for big Stan, he made a "gut choice":

"I think the 'gut choice' is usually the right choice," Hasiak said. "I just felt better going to UCLA."

I think there is another story here though and it has to with assistant coaches. I don't think it's a coincidence that UCLA and Neuheisel made a come back in this recruiting when Palcic turned down Tedford's overture to become Cal's next OL coach. There is no question Cal has had a good run in terms of turning out some solid OL in recent years. However, they lost their OL coach - Jim Michalczik - who happens to be one of the best in this position to Washington in December. After losing Michalczik Tedford made a run at Palcic but came up empty. I don't think that was lost on Hasiak while making his final decision. So a huge credit goes out to Neuheisel for being able to hold on to Palcic.

Both Palcic and Chow have been amazing last few weeks. From the LA Times on Palcic's recruiting trips:

"At the start of recruiting, Bob Palcic had never been to Hawaii," Neuheisel said. "He has been there four times in the month of January. He said, 'As long as I get to go with Norm it's OK because he gets us in first class.' Norm is a big name over there."

And Chow's tenacity:

At one point in recruiting, Chow got off an airplane from Hawaii and flew to Utah hours later.

So much for all the nonsense about Chow not being a hard working recruiter.

Anyway, in addition to feeling the need at OL, Neuheisel was able to infuse much needed speed into the program via Thigpen:

"He's 5-foot-7 with shoes on, but he's like a pit bull," Stonewall Jackson coach Mike Dougherty said of Thigpen. "I see him being like a (former Florida star) Percy Harvin-type. He can run reverses, slip screens and when he needs to, he can run right past you.

"Damien is lights-out speed. He's the two-time state defending champ in the 300 meter hurdles. It's over before he gets to the first hurdle."

And Carroll:

Cathedral High receiver Randall Carroll capped the day by announcing he was changing from USC to UCLA. His commitment, along with Thigpen's decision, gives the Bruins needed speed on offense. Carroll is the state's 100- and 200-meter champion.

Carroll was the second member of UCLA's class to decommit from USC. He joined tight end Morrell Presley, who enrolled at UCLA in January.

"He's the fastest kid in Southern California," Neuheisel said of Carroll. "For a team that's missing explosions on offense of plus-20 plays, that's something big."

I think it is worth mentioning that Carroll and Pressley are not the only two CRN victories over Pom Pom. Note that Trojans also recruited both XSF and Hasiak very hard.

While we all celebrated the surprises from yesterday, I think we also need to appreciate some of the special recruits such as Richard Brehaut, Todd Golper, Ricky Marvray, Isaiah Bowens, Sheldon Price who got the party started early in Westwood this year. All of those kids are great talents and signed up for the passion bucket early on to serve as the anchor for this class. I have read number of stories about how Brehaut and Golper have been out in force talking up Neuheisel and UCLA. That kind of leadership will be huge in the coming years in Westwood.

We still are waiting on two more kids. Brandon Warner is getting his transcript in order (as the coaches are holding a scholie spot open for him). Also Toma is deciding in the last moment as reportedly his buddy Te'o is lobbying him heavily to go to ND. I think that it is more than understandable for a kid to have a tough time making these decisions when it involves life long friendship. I hope he will stick with UCLA at the end but will not be upset if he changes his mind in the last minute. Given how glorious this recruiting season has turned out to be, I think we can assume that our staff is ready for anything.

On to spring ball.

GO BRUINS.

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Incredible, after 4 and 8 season!

More speed and size. What a haul! CRN, Norm Chow and Palcic pulled off the best class in recent memory. Any doubters now that CRN was the best choice for Ucla? Just Hasiak and XSF alone speak volumes for the direction we are headed.

by bruin75 on Feb 5, 2009 7:07 AM PST reply actions  

Never followed recruiting

 at best, as N mentioned, I got info from LAT or the Big Nasty, Joe McDonnell. And sometimes just realizing the talent we got as a season progressed. But yesterday was something else, with all the contributions of you folks, this was pretty damn exciting. I feel we won something big, and we haven’t played a minute of football. Man I can’t imagine the pressure and adrenaline rush these kids go through, and for Pete’s sake(no pun intended) they are only 18 years old. At any rate, here’s to a good year. Man it feels good to feel good about Bruin football(pile on the good).

by brewinz on Feb 5, 2009 7:13 AM PST reply actions  

Not that it matters but,

where do the services rank our class when compared to other schools?

The Houston Chronicle shows 5 different sources and we are not in the top 10 of any of them. Yesterday, I thought we were in #4 in one and actually ahead of sc.

One thing that might explain this is that I think they used rankings from before yesterday, but I can’t tell.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 5, 2009 7:33 AM PST reply actions  

Answering Part of my Own Question

Scout has us at 4

Rivals at 14

As my daughter Jenny said when she was 3 and I was trying to explain the concept of the “rhetorical question” to her: “What’s that have to do with making sense?”

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 5, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder how they rate some of these things

I understand justsc got three or four highly rated strong safeties. How does having four guys who play one position help them (other than depth-wise) when only one of those guys can play at a time? Does it really matter that you have a great back-up guy when he never plays?

by Fox 71 on Feb 5, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

From what I can tell

Rivals bases their rankings on the number of stars each recruit has. From what I saw yesterday, we didn’t have any 5-star recruits.

I am always cautitious about recruiting because, as you stated yesterday, it’s about potential, but I do feel good today.

by bruinbabe2000 on Feb 5, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Scout Tries To Explain

its ratings on their site, and it seems to try to factor in need, but rivals does not.

by bru79 on Feb 5, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Scout uses the needs of a program, and balance within the class as a ratings factor.

So, for instance, the 4 strong safeties that usc signed do not have as much of an effect on Scout’s final ranking as if usc had signed 2 safeties, a corner and a wide receiver of similar ability; Scout.com criteria factor in individual player talent, team need at each position, and balance within the recruiting class. Credit under the “need” criteria is capped at a set number of recruits, and teams do not receive credit for over-recruiting at a position (wild guess, 4 strong safeties probably count as over-recruiting).

Sc still gets credit for all the recruits, but the 3rd and 4th SS’s accrue less benefit than if they played OLB or CB. Think of this as an example of diminishing marginal returns for safeties, or for any position on the football field.

by bruinhoo on Feb 5, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

If I not mistaken 66

it was you who mentioned a couple of weeks ago that the mother always wins out, and in the last couple of weeks that stated was proven right twice…going 2 for 2. Wrapping up with the very intelligent mother of Carroll preferring her son to go to UCLA and sure enough in the end it did make a difference. We should all make a note to self to notice those comments a little closer in the future, where they are working in our favor or not.

by tru-bleu on Feb 5, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I had a blast...thank you all

for such a fun and wild time yesterday. I found myself many times, visualizing all of you running around looking in windows and around corners, listening in on conversations at Starbucks, etc, all getting the absolute lastest, greatest news from the street. I had a blast…thank you all!

I also couldn’t help but noticed the speed of our recruits, for the vast majority they were from the mid 4’s to 4.8, with just one or two kids (large OL expectedly) that were near or above 5. If you only look back to the class of 06 (next year’s junior class), and look at the commits that KD pulled in. You will notice ane incredible difference, most of those commits were high 4’s to low 5’s with some even (large OL expectedly) near 6 or above!

Right there in a nutshell will show you why we have been struggling, and how that will quickly change. That is how Urban Meyer was able to turn Florida around in just two years…..speed kills!

by tru-bleu on Feb 5, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I have one negative with what happened yesterday...

…it’s that all the excitement is causing my usually pretty strong virtue known as patience to dwindle very fast. I cannot WAIT for football season. I know I know, I’m really enjoying Howland’s bunch and March is just around the corner, but can I have both? I guess Spring camp will have to do.

What a day to be a Bruin…

by zinlinez on Feb 5, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

Now I understand

that it is only recruiting, and that we have a ways to go before we get to the level SUC has been at the past few years. However, considering how everything Cheaty Petey does is a competition. It gets ingrained in our heads that Cheaty competes at everything, and no other program in the county has kids or coaches who compete………..would it be safe to say that in the competition that took place yesterday………..CRN and staff completely kicked Pete’s butt and took the competition to Pete in his own backyard? I am just so tired of all this “competition” crap, as if SUC is the only team who competes, that it is fun to imagine Cheaty’s real reaction to getting his ass kicked yesterday by CRN and staff!

by muircoach on Feb 5, 2009 8:53 AM PST reply actions  

"Competition"

serves Cheatie as a ruse to park talented kids on his bench instead of having to play against them. It worked well for McKay and Robinson, too. Hopefully some kids are catching on.

by bru79 on Feb 5, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope

that does not become true of Nue, stockpiling for the sake of the program rather than the individual. Hmmm…on second thought we do have an excellent education to offer….

by brewinz on Feb 5, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly Muir

I have to believe what went on behind closed doors all day yesterday, sans lights and camera, as CRN competed against SUC had to make the Sanchez going pro announcement look like two nuns bickering! To paraphrase Jackie Gleason today, How Sweet it is…….to be a Bruin!

First off of course was that yesterday’s success infused some incredible talents at critical need areas, we can all agree on that I’m sure. Secondly, to close yesterday SO strong and surpass SUC on the final rankings, IMO is not that big a deal in reality (I’m mean really, I don’t think we could really live on the difference between #4 to #7), but what we should not lose sight of here is that the perception of the Class of 2010…..they just got HUGE wake up call with a bucket of water down their collective backs! When the read and see that not only did SUC have two of their best…decomits to us, we won the services of Stan and the Xman over SUC, and then to be ranked higher than SUC when the dust settled this morning!"! Are you freakin’ kidding me….is what all those recruits are going to be saying to themselves. So it’s not so much in the reality of the rankings, but the perception of the ranking…and as we all know, a person’s perception is their reality. Hey just ask OJ. Then to further put this in perspective is of course this was all done even BEFORE one winning season under CRN!

  Mark my words, right now, if we have a winning season this year (and I honestly think we will, remember a game or two different last year and we would have been practically 6-6), than we are going to be a top 3 team next year on this day. All of those recruits will have proof that it has turned, they will want to jump on board, it will be easier to get recruits next year than it was this year (most kids aren’t trailblazers they are trail followers…they want to do what is in the now, hot, etc ) and they will have minimal senior competition making their playing time more likely.

CRN, yesterday you earned my lifelong dying support….Helicopters, just genius!

Go Bruins….

by tru-bleu on Feb 5, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

quick q

when someone attends a post graduate prep school does that affect their years of eligibility? if not what are the reasons between distinguishing between these institutions and junior colleges?

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Feb 5, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

No effect on eligibility

Just consider it another year of HS. They go to get their academics in order most of the time. Some go to play and see if they can get noticed more or develop a bit more. I’m not exactly sure about the difference between this and a JC except the obvious.

by BlueReign on Feb 5, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

What a Day...

I used to buy Student Sports magazines and Street & Smith to following both BB and FB recruiting. The Internet has changed everything for the better for a Recruiting Junkie like me. :D

With regards to rankings, they are what they are. All services have different criteria when ranking recruits as well as different underlying agendas.

-ESPN has suc at #4 and UCLA at #17. They put a lot of weight on who is on their Top 150 because they want to flaunt their “expertise”. However, they don’t and can’t evaluate all the recruits. suc had 9 and we had 4 in the Top 150.
-Scout has suc at #7 and UCLA at #4. The problem with Scout is that their rankings are based off of cumulative points accrued. That is why teams like Ole Miss (Avg. Star rating of 2.97 but has 37 commits), Arkansas (2.84 rating but 32 commits) and USF (2.87 but 30 commits) are ranked in Scout’s Top 25.

We all know how unreliable these rankings are. It’s good for pub but the important thing is to see if our needs were met. At least 1/2 of all classes will not have an impact at the college level. There have been plenty of 5 stars flop yet a lot of guys that weren’t highly rated that achieved a lot.

As Tru noted, the biggest victory from this recruiting class is the message that is being sent to HS recruits. UCLA and CRN are not afraid to battle Cheatey and suc for talent and victories on the playing field. We’ve already seen how this has affected Cheatey.

A solid foundation is being laid by CRN for success in the near future.

by BlueReign on Feb 5, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

Upon visiting Scout.com's homepage

one is greeted with a wonderful picture of CRN and the rhetorical question: “A Neu’ power?” If this guy isn’t a media genius, I do not know who is. Simply brilliant CRN.

B.F.

by eubruin on Feb 5, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Great Day!

Was neat to see in the Minneapolis Star Tribune this A.M. that Scout.com ranked our recruiting class #7. That’s really amazing coming off a disappointing 4-8 season but you’ve got to give a hell of a lot of credit to CRN & Co. I know my passion bucket is overflowing right now and it won’t be long until we’re back up there with the big boys – where we BELONG. And fighting for a BCS bowl.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Feb 5, 2009 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

Scout has us at #4 now

Announcement of the Carroll commitment came late last night, probably after the MS-T writer filed last night, which bumped us into a tie with North Carolina for #4 (and dropped SC to #7).

by bruinhoo on Feb 5, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok, Rick,

Take a deep breath and see if you can get us into the picture on Brice Brown or David Oku! : )

by bru79 on Feb 5, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

te'o

some things got me thinking… yesterday when randall carroll announced, he mentioned ha had spoken to te’o the night before about his decision to pick ucla and also said that he was surprised that te’o picked nd.
i can’t remember but either xsf or hasiak said something similar.
and now roby toma still hasn’t committed. apparently now he’s considering hawaii too. but other places have mentioned that te’o to nd took him by surprise.
so now all i can think is, was te’o telling them he was coming to ucla? was he teliing them the truth? if not, why would he do that? and if so, what the heck happened? believe me i’m stoked about our class, but i find this situation curious to say the least.

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Feb 5, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

Being involved with Punahou football as one of the team’s docs, I tried to get a sense of Manti’s college choice direction. I figured ND was the long shot. However, something may have happened when they came here for the Hawaii Bowl. Nonetheless, Manti is a very quality kid (along with all the others) and seems to be the type to do the unexpected and blaze his own trail.

by 808 Bruin on Feb 5, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting rb

most of that gang you mentioned did commit prior to Teo, but if I not mistaken the X man and for sure Carroll of came after, so they still could have gone back if they were only coming to be with Teo. But again interesting. As for Toma, I don’t understand, he wasn’t getting a sniff from anyone until NC came along and offered him, and then yesterday knowing that Carroll was sitting on the fence….personally I would have jumped in with both feet at 8:01….because if they got Carroll….do they really need Toma? I don’t know if they do that type of thing, but maybe they could pull the offer. That might pay huge dividends in 2010 and beyond, when they remember….don’t play chicken with CRN and company.

by tru-bleu on Feb 5, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

the thing to remember

is the the announcement times may not correspond to when the guys made up their minds. For all we know XSF and Carroll may have decided Tuesday or before – Carroll definitely decided before he announced, as the story was leaked 1 hr early.

There’s a story on ESPN.com about how Te’o woke up yesterday and just knew ND was the place for him. So clearly he hadn’t made up his mind until then. Likewise, it sounds like Carroll may have been solid to UCLA for a few days now, if now more. Regardless, I just don’t think you can make too much of anything these days in recruiting. Our experiences with Hasiak, Pollard, Sanders, etc showed us that.

I hope Te’o is happy with his choice, and I wish him the best. I think a kid should ALWAYS go where they feel right, not where others tell them to go.d

by bucknellbruin on Feb 5, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

i should clear up that i in no way was trying to suggest any funny business with te’o. i agree he seems like a great kid and wish him the best at nd. i also realize that my analysis seems to be connecting the dots with moving dots in the dark, but the various comments from the recruits and toma’s situation struck me. and actually the espn story i read indicates te’o had a pretty good idea about nd, but finally made up his mind that morning.

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Feb 5, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

totally get what you said

I actually had some similar thoughts but i just summed it up to 18 year olds being 18 year olds. After all I’m that age myself…

by bucknellbruin on Feb 5, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

"I think it's really good"

too, Mr. Hasiak. Now, yesterday is the first time I have ever paid attention to all of this, but with the help of those in the know on BN, I believe I have a rudimentary understanding of the importance of yesterday’s events.

Given what I have subsequently read about both you and Mr. Su’a-Filo, Mr Hasiak, I think it’s really good, too. You are a master of understatement, there, I think.

(Tee hee.)

Thank you both, congratulations and welcome to the finest university in the world.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Feb 5, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

those of you who aren't premiums subscribers to

Bruin Report Online are missing an excellent article on how CRN has been able to recruit effectively for UCLA.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Feb 5, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

did i just see the words

“excellent” and “article” in the same sentence? That’s a new concept for me…

by bucknellbruin on Feb 5, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

What does CRN do?

What’s the abridged version?

As long as CRN doesn’t take off his shirt and get the recruits to sing the fight song in a closed locker room like Ol’ Petey did, then I have no qualms.

by UCLA4Life on Feb 5, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

what part I found interesting

without giving away their stuff for free is the work Rick does to get people through the academic committee and admitted to school.and the fact he actually benefits from KDs picking up kids who are good students, so he is given some slack because the current student athletes in the football program are performing well academically. So, I guess KD did do something right…

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Feb 5, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Just curious

Can an athlete back out of his LOI?

by brewinz on Feb 5, 2009 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

with the school's permission

so essentially no, unless they have a valid reason (family concerns, coaching change, playing time for older guys, etc). So the incoming freshmen are all but locked up now, with no more coaching changes coming.

by bucknellbruin on Feb 5, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

quote from Palcic about the OLine situation - BEFORE the XSF commitment

“Now we got some good problems,” Palcic says as Neuheisel enters the room holding an evaluation tape of a speedy scatback from Virginia. “We’re light years ahead of last year.”

GREAT to hear…

by bucknellbruin on Feb 5, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

just read it...

I thought I knew what was happening yesterday by reading the threads here, but this piece really gives some insight into what the staff was going through. What drama….

by Bald Eagle on Feb 5, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

What a read...

NC sounded really enthused. I learned from this board that he’s not a recruit guy, but based on the comments and descriptions here, he may have changed his stance on recruitment. That is in no small part because of CRN.

Glad to be back. I have been reading this board constantly, but I felt the urge to post after all the exciting news from yesterday. Our recruits from last year should yield us some benefits this year. You hear me, Aundre Dean?

by UCLAngels on Feb 5, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks to CRN

CRN made a point when he came back home that he and NC were co-signing to rebuild UCLA together. NC has always wanted to be a head coach, but unfortunately never had the opportunity. CRN has given NC more power and autonomy than anyone has ever given him, and it seems to have revitalized the sage offensive guru.

by ishXdavid on Feb 5, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

losing Toma

Teo’s buddy Toma just signed letter of intent for ND. He’s gone.

Oh well, didn’t need him(?)

by joeyoga on Feb 5, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

That's a shame

Seemed like a quality kid. Having Carroll on board does negate the impact of this talent-wise though.

by Tydides on Feb 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

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