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One Thing: Coaching Discipline

Obviously, The Trojies are ill-advised to come into our house with anything less than their "A" game. But in addition, I was really watching Tim Floyd and his team last night, and I thought, "Wow, it really is…coaching. It’s all about coaching, coaching, coaching."

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The good ones—and I mean the really good ones—like our Coach John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Bobby Knight, Mike Krzyzewski, Pat Summit—they all coach discipline. (Do I personally love all of these folks? No, but that’s not the point.) They coach discipline, with discipline. They make the really hard decisions when they must, and they hold themselves, and their players, completely accountable.

Tim Floyd has a 63-36 record with USC. USC has now, and has had in the past, some very talented individual players. He has not, that I can find or recall, either in college or during his miserable tenure in the NBA, had a team that has played better as a whole than the sum of its individual players. In fact, one could reasonably argue that his teams have grossly underachieved when they’ve had high-calibar individual talent on board. (OJ Mayo was utterly punked by K-State’s Michael Beasley & Company last year—he absolutely could not handle the "help" defense.) Tim Floyd’s NBA record is 93-235, and his Bulls teams were apparently renowned for… fighting.

Look, both OJ Mayo and Kevin Love were destined for the NBA, regardless. And, probably Jordan Farmar and AA were, as well. But, RW and LRMAM were probably not guaranteed such a destiny in the beginning. Then they hooked up with Coach Ben Howland, the uncompromising disciplinarian. This is not to take away from their natural talents and abilities, understand, but they developed those gifts in the right environment to create—face it—absolutely monstrous, driven, disciplined, no-work-is-too-hard, defend-to-the-death NBA players, stars, eye-poppers, even. Coaches’ dreams.

Coaching discipline. Davon Jefferson was a talented young player. He had absolutely no discipline. He torpedoed himself in a gut-wrenching fashion. Angelo Johnson, another USC freshman last season, set an all-time "spoiled brat-ness" record last fall, and left USC in a huff. (Sorry, can’t resist this, compare AA2. He really considered leaving, folks, and he not only already has his undergrad degree, he has an enormous destiny of his own. Look at what he’s doing right now.) Floyd’s response to Johnson’s tantrum was basically to bemoan that he didn’t have players "like Darren Collison." Nope, no accountability there. Floyd took no responsibility for these kids, from the get-go, the same way he takes no responsibility for the filthy play of Leonard Washington and Daniel Hackett. And, of course, there is no discipline whatsoever. Taj Gibson has skills. Taj Gibson is consistently in foul trouble. Coach Floyd responds to fouls committed by his team by screaming at the refs. Ergo, Taj Gibson and Daniel Hackett continue to get into foul trouble. It’s all "cheap shots and bad losses." No responsibility. No accountability. No discipline.

Drago got himself in some serious trouble early this season. Coach Howland’s response? He’s benched. Discipline. Look at what Drago is doing now. Screw up, Coach sits you. Coach asks you to work a little harder and step up your defensive play, you do what he asks, and — you’re The Man.

The basketball part of this coaching thing? Well, that really is rocket science to me, frankly. But the other part that Coach Wooden and Coach Howland—and all those other great coaches I mentioned—have? I think it’s discipline, and I think it’s just as difficult and challenging to do as the basketball part. I also think the basketball part will kick you in the butt if you don’t have it, Coach Floyd.

 

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I was thinking the same thing, last night, as I watched timmeh whine at the ref’s after hackett’s dirty foul INSTEAD of pulling his player out of the game, sitting him down and talking with him about what he did wrong and how it hurt the team.

Coaches set the tone for their teams. timmeh has been out of control in many games, has been T’d to the detriment of his teams, and has had to be calmed down by his players. Classic role reversal.

Your posts makes clear the costs of having a coach who is constantly out of control. If he cannot discipline himself, how can we expect him to discipline his players?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 5, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

One More Thing

Apple Crisp seems to be the power recipe for our Bruins.

May I suggest you bake it before/during key games?

Your Kitchen Karma controls.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

:-)

Of course.

That one is a keeper, especially with the homemade cinnamon ice cream.

Don’t forget, I also have double chocolate almond fudge cake recipe filed away…that was the “UCLA Football Team Beats Tennessee” Cake.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Feb 5, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You realize

you two are torturing those of us who haven’t gotten to experience such delectible treats.

by bru79 on Feb 6, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bullseye

You expose the difference between coaches who teach disciplined basketball and those who don’t: The coaches who don’t, teach basketball. The coaches who do, teach something larger.

by Bruinut on Feb 5, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall Wooden or Howland, or even Lavin...

Having one player break his teammate’s jaw. But Floyd never said a word publicly that I’m aware of.

by ucla7477 on Feb 5, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Acutally under Lavin

Players threw stool at each other (Hines hurling one at Barnes). Lavin was an incompetent leader who had zero control over his team. As for Timmeh … 83 is on point.

by Nestor on Feb 5, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Given some of the shit Hackett does

I’m starting to see OJ2’s side of things on the issue. I can virtually guarantee that Hackett deserved it.

by Tydides on Feb 5, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I thought about OJ2 watching Hackett hacking Ga Tech players early in the season.

by Nestor on Feb 6, 2009 4:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HACKett

is like some of those b$tch-a$$ Italian soccer players I used to play against. You know, the ones who deserve to get a massive headbutt right into the sternum. Dirty as can be. I will have arthritic ankles to show for it.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 6, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think someone made that observation too

He did grow up in Italy … right?

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel really sorry for Taj

He would have been a lottery pick after his first season, and instead came back, and has suffered under Timmeh!s “coaching”

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Feb 6, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And, to make it worse

he will be at the mandatory retirement age when he finally graduates.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 6, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Taj

is languishing under Floyd. And somewhere, buried behind the unctuous, low-minded hacking, both Washington and Hackett are actually fine basketball players.

Personally, I have really liked Demar DeRozan since I saw a video about him when he was a Junior, (I think), in high school. He’s really talented, has great on-court vision. I fear for him, playing for this coach.

It is a shameful waste, it really is.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Feb 7, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I personally like Taj and Demar

they are a couple of the trOJans who I feel got stuck there because of bad circumstances (Demars corrupt family and coaches) or bad early choices (Taj’s academic problems)

The Hacketts and Washingtons of the team I cannot stand, along with Timmeh!

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Feb 7, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll see your astute observation and raise you an intriquing question

Before Timmeh took the job, USC had approached and hired Rick Majerus. This was alarming news to me because I have great respect for Coach Majerus. It seemed like the very next day he announced he was walking away from the job. I forget how quickly it happened, but it was ridiculously quick.

I have always wondered what Majerus saw in his short time there that made him get out of Dodge as fast as he could. Boy, he left them standing at the altar with NO HESITATION. Just got out quick. I will always wonder what happened behind closed door.

Rampant speculation on your part is welcome and invited.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Feb 6, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think you answered your own question

You have respect for Coach Majerus, and so do most of us. As a man of integrity, once Coach Majerus saw what was behind those doors he had to leave. No one with integrity could stay. Which answers why they still have Timmeh, and Cheatie, and the boxer’s son, et al.

by Fox 71 on Feb 6, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Majerus realized that in his 50s and 350 pounds

he really wasn’t physically able to coach a full season.

Or his pants were too tight to fit the wads of cash in the pocket he needed to give to recruits at SUC.

I can’t remember.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Feb 7, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really liked Majerus

and wanted him to replace the lizard.

IIRC — there was even some talk that he’d become a “bench” coach for the lizard to give the lizard some clue as to what was going on around him. (More than anything, I fault the lizard for surrounding himself with weak people for fear someone elses light would shine brighter than his — which was very dim. Compare that to CRN who goes after the very best coordinators and assistants.)

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 7, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Majerus is a fantastic coach

unfortunately, he is incredibly self destructive. The guy lives in a hotel room for gods sake.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Feb 7, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He said what he said about his physical condition

But he also saw what was happening behind closed doors at justsc. I assume that he didn’t know all that stuff, and realized what all the hanky-panky and cover-ups would do to his physical condition.

by Fox 71 on Feb 7, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Updated this post 83

By inserting a telling picture.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Shhhh...

Don’t let the powers that be across town know what a TERRIBLE coach he is. Of course, I would like to see them lose every game, but it would be better if they win just enough to let Timmmeh keep his job. As long as he is there, they will not improve and neither will his players. I imagine non-UCLA fans felt this way when we had lavin.

GO BRUINS!!!

by uclafan11 on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Proud of you, Bg83.

Well done.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Feb 14, 2009 6:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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