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Desperate/Dangerous Irish: Early Notes On Notre Dame

Last time some of us had a chance to check out Notre Dame they were waging a battle against the Long Horns in Maui and appeared to be one of the most talented and balanced squads in the country. That was months ago and the Irish have been on a freefall in recent weeks. A season that started with a lot of promise has somewhat fallen apart as Mike Brey's squad is coming into LA losing 6 games in a row falling to a record of 12-9, 3-7 in the Big East.

Rob over at RakesofMellow is understandbly glum:

We were hoping that some of the football team’s good fortune would rub off on the Irish basketball squad on Wednesday night, but it didn’t happen.  Instead, the team continued their second half woes and dropped their 6th straight to an average Cincinnati squad.  The team battled well in the first half, tying it up at half, but let the Bearcats take the lead for good in the second half, getting outscored 56-46.  Most of the troubles can be attributed to poor defense (Cincinnati shot 45% from the floor and 44% from the 3-point line) and poor play from our starting guards (a combined 6-22 for the night including 0-6 from beyond the arc).  Luke Harangody played well again with 28 points and 14 rebounds, but when he’s the only offensive threat, you can’t win these types of ball games.  Other teams have figured out how to stop our offense and it is not by stopping Luke.  It’s by stopping his teammates from catching on fire.

However, his comment re. Notre Dame's matchup against UCLA is a little amusing:

I think they could pull the upset in Los Angeles since UCLA is not known as a great offensive team.

I guess the perception is somewhat understandable because so far this season UCLA's losses in which the offense went cold have been amplified nationally. So when he is thinking of UCLA he might be thinking of our second half offensive droughts against Michigan, Arizona State and Washington. Anyway, he might change his opinion once he has had the chance to look through some of our numbers.

For our part the Bruins once again cannot take any opponent lightly. The Irish are in in a desperate situation, which IMHO makes them extremely dangerous. They are going to play with the mindset of nothing to lose:

"This trip comes at a good time," Brey said. "Being smacked like we've been smacked, we've got a one-game shot against a heck of a team." [...]

"Nobody's giving us much of a chance," Brey said. "Let's go let it rip."

Obviously the key focus is Luke Harangody but as Rob mentioned above the other teams have been having success against the Irish by bottling up Luke's team-mates. No doubt AA2, DG and rest of our front court will have their hands fulll with the Irish big man, but it will be up to our guards and wing to put severe on ball pressure on the ND backcourt and cut off the Irish attack up front. Here is the Irish rotation which has been tinkered a lot lately:

Usual starters -- F Zach Hillesland, F Luke Harangody, G Kyle McAlarney, G Tory Jackson, G Ryan Ayers. Key subs -- F Luke Zeller, G Jonathan Peoples, F Tyrone Nash.

Sportsline.com has more on the lineup shakeup referenced above:

--F Zach Hillesland returned to the starting lineup and finished with 11 points and five rebounds. Hillesland had come off the bench in the previous two games after starting the first 18 games this season. He has scored a combined 23 points in the last two games after scoring 19 in the previous six games.

--G Jonathan Peoples failed to score in 13 minutes as he returned to the bench after starting the previous two games.

--Coach Mike Brey shook up his starting lineup against Marquette and Pitt, starting F Luke Zeller and G Jonathan Peoples in place of F Zach Hillesland and G Ryan Ayers. Zeller responded big time, hitting three of five against Marquette for eight points and scoring 18 points against Pitt on 6-for-9 shooting, all from 3-point range. Peoples scored eight against Marquette but had only three in 12 minutes against Pitt. Neither Hillesland nor Ayers scored against Marquette but the two reached double figures against Pitt, Hillesland with 12 points and Ayers with 10.

Brey will probably shuffle around the lineup again tomorrow morning. Yes, speaking of which don't forget the game gets started at 10:00 am PST. I am going to assume Howland is going to ensure his players get plenty of rest tonight are ready to go. As mentioned above, we can't let this Irish team get off to a good start and get a sense of confidence. We will have to come out with the same sense of urgency and intensity we have shown in last three games and keep the pressure on from beginning to end.  More on the Irish later.

GO BRUINS.

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we have to shut down McAlarney

he may be the best shooter in the country and if he gets going, we could be in trouble. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jrue on him to bother him with his length and athleticism. I agree with the ND guys – we can let Gody get his points if we don’t let the other guys beat us. And the other guy most likely to beat us is McAlarney.

by bucknellbruin on Feb 6, 2009 7:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Was originally hoping that ND would come to town highly ranked....

as we really need a quality win to help us with seeding later. With that said, just because they are not currently in the top 25 doesnt mean they wont be shortly. They play in an extremely competetive conference and if they get hot and knock off UConn, Louisville Pitt etc.. they easily vault back up, making a win against them a bit more meaningful. They are a dangerous team and we have done nothing yet this year to show the country we are actually a better team. Saturday we have a chance to show that UCLA can knock off a Big East foe. I suspect CBH will dance with the girl he came with, and play the usual brand of Ben Ball Defense. Double team the low post, ball pressure, help D etc. The strategy that allowed us to separate from the last 3 legitimate Pac 10 foes easily should pay dividends again. Mental intensity is a must, and no let up against a non-conference foe will suffice. In Ben I trust. Still dont like the early start though.

by popopapa on Feb 6, 2009 8:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't either...

But the kid’s visiting, flight 3pm and change at LAX. Now I thank the schedule.

by 10amla on Feb 7, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dangerous game

You’ve got a ND team on life support and plenty of talent. ND plants Harangody in the post and spreads the court. They have shooters in McAlarney, Ayers, Hillesland and Zeller. I don’t think the Big on Big double team is a good idea against them. Trust Aboya to make Harangody earn his buckets and make sure our guys are attached at the hip to these shooters. Defend their 3 point shooting and we come out with the W.

by BlueReign on Feb 6, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

VERY. IMPORTANT. GAME.

Hate to exaggerate the importance of one nonconference game in early February, but a difference between a decisive victory and a dissappointing loss against a pretty good ND team may make the difference between a 2 seed out West vs. a 4 or 5 seed somewhere else come tournament time, no matter what we do in the Pac 10.

Not only is this our last chance to pick up a signiture win against a nonconference opponent, this is the Pac 10s last chance to show how it measures up against what is widely considered to be the nation’s best conference. A middle of the road Big East team coming in and knocking off the Pac 10s elite team, on the road, will knock us and everyone else in the conference down a notch or two.

As mentioned, ND has the talent to come in and upset us. It is imperative that we bring our absolute highest focus and energy this Saturday.

by godblesstyus95 on Feb 6, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

More huge than huge...

Of late we’ve been laying eggs whenever it is a nationally-televised game. Hopefully people will have short recall, and we win this one to wipe out their memory of our past dismal showings.

by bluegold on Feb 6, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on the seeding implications.

Hopefully the players don’t let down after Wednesdays cruise.

by popopapa on Feb 6, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Den

needs to bring it on Saturday, too. Our warriors will need better than a Cal St. Fullerton-type of effort, if you know what I mean.

by godblesstyus95 on Feb 6, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody know if students can buy single tickets to games that aren’t on their den package? I really want to go to this game.

by chenalex on Feb 6, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You should check with CTO

Also, I know they were selling regular priced tickets to the Notre Dame game as of Monday (upper levels). The game might be sold out now, but check to make sure.

by rfirpo on Feb 6, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

la ticket office

you line up at the LA ticket office which is at the back corner of pauley (outside). the corner between acosta, the tennis courts, the football field, and (i think) lower gate 7. you have to line up probably an hour earlier to be 50-70th in line and they open the office about 10-15 mins before tipoff. tickets are $10 and they’re only available if pauley’s not sold out.

by hayakuneko on Feb 6, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this option

only available to students?

There is some risk involved in not being able to make it back to a TV in time if there are no tickets, but would love to catch this game in person.

by truebluebruin on Feb 6, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If looking, Ticketmaster is still selling seats - not entirely sold out

found a single in section 108B, row 1 through regular ticketmaster (not ticketexchange). I imagine that some scattered seats, if nothing else, are still available.

by bruinhoo on Feb 6, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the heads up.

couldn’t make it out there today, but will look for Washington game.

by truebluebruin on Feb 7, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

10:00 A.M. Start Time

The early tip time always scares me. Granted, it is worse for ND because it has to fly across the country. But still, it can be difficult to get the proper level of excitement going—particularly for a 10:00 A.M. game—warming up at 8:00.

It will also be hard on the fans—the Den will have to create a raucous environment outside and inside to set the tone.

Please, someone tell me a line for the game has already formed and is at least wrapped around one corner of the arena! If not, GET OUT THERE!

by rfirpo on Feb 6, 2009 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I heard there is no more camping out the night before

So there probably is no line right now. Students have to wait until a few hours before the game to start lining up.

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 6, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Camping Out Anymore?!

good god what is the world coming to? That is all the fun.

by popopapa on Feb 6, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, there are people camping out right now, braving the rain.

We rarely see people camp out for two nights before a game now anyways, except for really big games.

by chenalex on Feb 6, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God it is still going on

Camping out for a UCLA games is one of the things I remember most about UCLA. It was awesome, and any current students who are fans enough to be poking around this board ought to be camping out. Of course, when I refer to camping out, I mean spending at least one night out there. But, wiffle ball, football, and videogames have all been known to occur in the shadows of the Pavilion at night, as well as deliverys of food and beverage.

In order to sit at the front of the student section, you had to camp out when I was there. Except one game per year, where there was the coveted “midnight handout” of the wristbands.

If people aren’t camping out to earn spots down low in the student section, then someone sold out—and I hope its not the Den—which, by the way, is a relatively recent creation.

Anyway, go Bruins, and I hope the Den gets us fired up Saturday!

by rfirpo on Feb 6, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's raining in LA?

good god what is the world coming to?

by popopapa on Feb 6, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would think the early time would be an advantage for ND

Since they’ll still be on east (central?) coast time, so it won’t seem quite as early for them.

No snooze bars tomorrow. Everyone needs to be up and ready to go from the moment the ball is tipped. If so, then I think we’ll be fine.

by insomniacslounge on Feb 6, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty offensive pucin article

http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/ucla/la-sp-sports-media6-2009feb06,0,2445682.story

Why doesn’t this idiot look at how good the team and home record are? Just cause its warm outside, fans are chill, and there’s not a lot of ra ra- doesn’t mean the heart and character aren’t there.

by realfabfive on Feb 6, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the den

should seriously print out that article and put it on every seat in pauley, im dead serious.

by uclabruin34 on Feb 6, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fanpost this

It’ll get a lot more reads as a Fanpost, too, than as a comment in the thread.

Spread the message to The Den that we all need to keep stepping up our games as the season progresses. This article will make nice bulletin board material for The Den and uclabruin34’s idea of papering Pauley with it is nice.

(Apologies to N and the managers – I know it’s not my place to tell others on BN what to do, but realfabfive and uclabruin34 are on to something here that could really play in our favor. And I’d feel “plagaristic” Fanposting it myself.)

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Feb 6, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No worries

You are absolutely right. Someone should totally fanpost it. If something hasn’t been pointed out yet on the home page that is merits attention at a wider level, people shouldn’t wait for us – frontpagers – to take the initiative. Hey, that’s exactly what fanposts are for. And given the responses we have seen via the recommended fanposts section, its pretty clear how much folks value well written, passionate and articulate writing from fellow Bruins. So don’t wait for us. Fire it up.

by Nestor on Feb 6, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh that Diane again

I don’t know why I bother, but I sent her a little note:

Dear Diane,

Your article entitled “Just call it Pauley Poll-vilion” is downright misguided.

It’s not that I think that Pauley is a loud and raucous place, I agree with you that the confines and some of the crowd can seem rather subdued at times (though it was definitely not the case Wednesday night).

Rather, Pauley is a tough place to play because UCLA IS A TOUGH TEAM.

Perhaps in your efforts to maintain a modicum of integrity you could have mentioned that in your column. And perhaps you could have done a minimal journalistic effort and checked UCLA’s record at home. You know, just a few helpful details that may come in handy in an article. The childish play on words in the title is simply not enough to make your column valid, or interesting (except for your loyal trOJan readers).

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 6, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT?!?

no more camping out? are you sure? who told you that? there sure were a lot of ppl camping out for the sc game….

by uclabruin34 on Feb 6, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Time for a little revenge

We need a big win to show ND what happens when they steal away our recruits.

by layout on Feb 6, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the big east

basketball conference is an absolute joke. don’t get me wrong it has some great teams, but it’s way too big. how can a league cover a region as far west as chicago (depaul), as far northeast as rhode island (providence), and as far south as tampa (usf)?

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Feb 6, 2009 3:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What I love

is that they rank all the teams in the preseason…then they beat each other up…and everyone says how tough the conference is. Couldn’t you the same in any conference? Rank half the teams in the Sun Belt (no offense) in the preseason, then as they beat each other you leave them in the top 25 because “it’s a tough conference”. Whatever.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 6, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our boys will be ready!

This is definitely a dangeours game. The Irish will come in as underdogs and might play loose and let the 3’s rain. Here are the important points in my opinion:

- harass their guards starting in half court

- HEDGE LIKE CRAZY!

- don’t worry about Harangody, but Aboya can’t get in foul trouble while he handles him

- deny the 3-pointers more than the entry pass…though doing one might accomplish the other

- attack the basket relentlessly!

Coach Howland will have the boys ready. GO BRUINS!!!

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 6, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm PUMPED!!

And I might get to meet the ND team beforehand. According to my sister (who chose Notre Dame over UCLA, unfortunately) Harengody is a great guy along with the rest of the team. I’m glad to know the Den will keep it classy as usual, because I’ve always liked the Irish.

Let’s grab ourselves a big win, Bruins!!

by Allofmybros on Feb 6, 2009 4:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not Many of The Geezers Have Always Liked The Irish

Digger Phelps, Kelly Tripuka, Austin Carr make me want to retch.

by bru79 on Feb 6, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Digger going to be there?

All together:

Digger is a wimp!
Digger is a wimp!
Digger is a wimp!

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 6, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

can anyone even imagine

Lavin and Digger calling a game together? That mute button would be hit so fast….

by bucknellbruin on Feb 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

on the Hate-Digger/ND Geezometer

by Bruinut on Feb 7, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Online help

I have never had to do this before since I go to all the home games. But we are in Tampa for a wedding. Does anyone know how I can watch game live on the computer? CBS and cbs.com are showing the other game. Thanks!!

by Westwooden1 on Feb 7, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

One of the streaming sites may have a game feed up

Suggest checking the open thread just before the game starts.

by bruinhoo on Feb 7, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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