Trojans Launch Another Scud Attack: Lies About Norm Chow
by Nestor on Feb 9, 2009 4:57 AM PST
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PrintIt's becoming clear that Trojies are more than worried. Now that Neuheisel and his staff have laid down an effective challenge to Pom Pom and his poodles on the recruiting front, the Trojies are shreaking with one negative attacks after another.
Over the weekend I pointed how Scott Wolf from the Daily News launched a baseless and unsubstantiated attack against UCLA coaches re. the recruitment of Roby Toma. Wolf is the same guy who predicted Te'o, XSF, and Carroll to Southern Cal, Hasiak to Cal or Washington during the closing days of recruiting. He also had blurted out earlier in the recruiting season how UCLA wouldn't be hold on to Pressley's committment. So he is basically nothing short of stenographer for the Heritage Hall. I don't think one has to be some kind of genius to figure out where that Toma related baseless attack is coming from.
Apparently that wasn't the only scud coming out of Heritage Hall in last few days. A reader of ours pointed us to the following post on the OC Register's Trojan blog in which some hack named Adam Moya posted this garbage on Chow and Te'o (emphasis added):
And then there’s this: While covering the UCLA-USC basketball game Wednesday night, I heard Te’o informed Bruins offensive coordinator Norm Chow during a conversation Wednesday morning he wouldn’t be attending UCLA. Someone who said he knew of the exchange said Chow, the recruiter assigned to Te’o and a fellow member of the LDS Church, then supposedly told Te’o that that was fine as long as he didn’t go to USC.
Get that? Maya runs with unsupported, unsubstantiated conjecture from some source smearing Chow without providing a shred of definitive evidence. I wonder who exactly was that "someone who knew of the exchange"?
You can see what is going on here. Neuheisel, Chow and UCLA staff punked Carroll and outhustled in him in the closing days and Petey is not liking it. So they have now taken the route of slash and burn, by hurling every stupid and baseless negative attacks they can think of whether their access loving shills posing as beat reporters ("bloggers").
We have received a number of emails on what exactly transpired on South Central on signing day but we will not post gossip and rumors like these cheesy toolbags reports who have been completely absent on reporting on stories such as Bush, Mayo, and the littany of other real Trojan scandals from last few years.
Oh another laughable Trojan talking point from this recruiting season came via Greg Biggens (in an article written by Adam Maya of course):
It seems Carroll has begun to meet his match — the depth chart. USC, which has seen three highly regarded out-of-state players transfer in the past 18 months, might just have too many good players.
"It's catching up with them," said Greg Biggins, director of recruiting for ESPN RISE. "For the first time players are seeing it's tough to get in there and play early."
Then Biggins added: "It's a problem everyone would probably love to have. I think it's pretty remarkable."
Uh hum. So all on a sudden depth chart has become a liablity for poor Pom Pom? It wasn't an issue during last 4-5 years when it was just as stacked as it is now? Their roster has been loaded for years. It didn't magically get loaded just last year.
What Biggens and rest of the Trojan shills will never have the intellectual honesty to admit is that Pom Pom's program was hurt by the Mark Sanchez PR debacle. They don't have the guts to write how the attrition of Trojan coaching staff is finally taking its toll. So instead of writing about the real reasons for Trojans losing ground, they are taking the easy route by cutting and pasting talking points from Heritage Hall which includes pathetic, baseless and unsupported attacks on UCLA coaches.
Keep it up Trojies. Keep launching these scuds which started with Kenny's juvenile attack against CRN.
It's frankly kind of amusing. They are scared and a little desperate and they are becoming more predictable than an offense coached by Karl Dorrell.
GO BRUINS.
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A Few Thoughts
1. Clearly, sc supporters are upset by our recruiting success, he fact that our class may be rated as high or higher than theirs, and they are looking for ways to stop our momentum — such as tbs’ attack and now the attack on NC — the recruiter of the year.
And, the demonizing of CRN and NC — both of whom have exemplary since coming to UCLA — reflects the fact that the sc image and the coaching staff’s image have taken big hits over the years and particularly this year. tbs and the Sanchez affair garnered a lot of bad press. CRN and NC have gotten nothing but good press — except for these sc attack dogs. (By saying they have been exemplary since coming to UCLA I in no way want to leave an impression that they were not exemplary elsewhere. I’m one of the people that did the primary source research on CRN and reported that the charges were bogus. And, NC has never been attacked like this before. The point I’m trying to make is your point, once they represent the Blue and Gold, they have to be attacked — facts be damned attacked.)
2. All of that said, the real goal is not in assembling talent, the real goal is beating sc and winning a Pac 10 Championship — and I think they all see the writing on the wall. Until we get there, the confident humility our staff is showing is going a long way. “Confident humility”? An oxymoron you say. No. But, a rare quality. And, certainly not found in the morons at sc.
3. Stockpiling Depth — I would agree that being “too deep” might cause a recruiting problem IF a coach cannot figure out how to use his talent. CBH can. pc, can’t. He says it’s all about “competition”. CBH says it’s all about “Team”. And, therein, again shows the difference between a coach with character and one without it. (BTW — this brings back memories of Chace Stanback leaving; many of us think he left because he could not see much playing time in his future, here; CBH handled it perfectly.)
4. Nestor, you quite properly criticize Maya, for using “unsupported, unsubstantiated conjecture from some source”, and “without providing a shred of definitive evidence. I wonder who exactly was that ‘someone who knew of the exchange’?” and the larger reporter group that launched “pathetic, baseless and unsupported attacks”.
There are the exact same criticisms Fox and I have been making, for years, against Doh!. Seems to fit him to a T and place him squarely within the bigger group of lazy writers (notice I cannot call them reporters the same way Fox could not use the word “coach” in the same sentence as the name of CTS) whose work is not credible or worthy of belief.
sjh
just adding something
There may be a small bit of truth in the fact that recruits are starting to shy away from SC due to the overload of prospects. However, Biggens/Moya need to realize that there’s only one thing that’s changed this year compared to year’s past – and that’s the coaching staff at UCLA.
CRN and NC have actually competed for the same recruits as SC this year, and I guarantee that was a point of emphasis they used. We’ve talked about how CRN and NC have preached playing time to recruits. What better way to discourage someone from attending SC than bringing up the depth chart? The problem in the past wasn’t that SC’s depth chart had holes (IMO this year it’s slightly more open, if anything). The problem was no one was willing to challenge SC’s supremacy. Now that CRN and NC have done that, recruits are being told and reminded every day how difficult playing time is to come by at SC.
So while Biggens has a point, his reasoning is completely off. The reason for the “problem”, Greg, isn’t that SC got magically loaded. It’s that UCLA finally has a coach that is willing to challenge Petey’s “dominance”.
by bucknellbruin on Feb 9, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
Another Big Difference
Assuming the depth issue is legitimate, in years past the recruits would bypass sc and go somewhere other than UCLA.
The big difference is that we are not directly in the game, going head-to-head in recruiting. And, that is killing them.
sjh
to go along with that,
local kids that wanted to stay local would simply go to USC. now that we will challenge them for the top local kids, we’ve given them a viable alternative. In past years i think we can all agree that XSF, Carroll, Presley, and probably others would probably be Trojans – and definitely not Bruins.
by bucknellbruin on Feb 9, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
a locally-based, "Viable alternative"...
this is why the monopoly has ended.
by bornagainbruin on Feb 9, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
maya = tabloid reporter
Actually the source was “Someone who said he knew of the exchange”, as opposed to “someone who knew of the exchange”, likely no diligence was done by this hack journalist. Maya probably gets his tips sitting in a crapper at gaylin center, waiting to hear “someone who says he knows” from his brother’s sister’s cousin’s nephew…
You beat me to the punch again, sjh
I would like to take this pinhead’s deposition. It is very difficult to perpetuate a total lie in a deposition. If isn’t very difficult to trip up a liar. I am confident that this guy, like other hacks, simply made up the source and made up what the non-existent source said.
And he wants to be challenged, since it will demonstrate to his boss that people are reading his stuff. That’s why I’m glad there is no link to this.
If the BN were my client I would advise it to forget about this crap. A month from now it will be forgotten. A year from now the hack writer is likely to be working in a car wash. And Coach Chow will be developing his umpteenth Heisman Trophy candidate.
This smells like the biggest
load of bullcrap I have ever read. I am sorry to get a little worked up over this, but are you f’ing kidding me? “Someone” who knew of the exchange said… That doesn’t even make sense.
So Chow somehow decided to write/email/call up “someone” and let them know of his talk with Te’o?
Or better yet, Te’O, who clearly appreciates Chow enough to personally inform him of his decision, decides to shoot someone he respects in the back by leaking this “story”?
Or lastly, some trojie spy was sitting next to Chow Wednesday morning and was thus able to “report” this story.
This story is so pathetically implausible that the trojie media mafia should be ashamed of themselves. It’s good to see them shaking in their boots, but good God, is this what we are in for?
B.F.
Maybe this source
was a fly on the wall in NC’s office. Could be you know. You could easily pay off this fly with garbage coming from suc campus.
I'm starting to enjoy this now
If the BS meter wasn’t going off before, it’s off the scale now. Sounds like the trOJies are protesting a little too much. The best part is that they don’t have anything so the stories become more and more ridiculous from more and more “anonymous” sources. It’s not like they have a laundry list of SCandals involving run ins with the law or anything to worry about.
My anonymous source tells me that Adam Maya beats his wife. Said source also confirms that half of the SUC football team deals drugs. Proof? What more proof do you need? I have a “SOURCE”.
SC's Basketball Team Smokes Pot
Bought by a runner that came cross country from Connecticut to SC on an academic scholarship. He played basketball in high school but is not a walk on. He’s approx. 6’3" tall and is white with black hair.
This story can have more (true) details if SC continues make stuff up. (I know his name)
Petey's problems aren't the depth chart
They are
1) Impending sanctions
2) An underpeforming offense relative to his talent
3) His pathetic press conference with Kenny to complain about CRN
4) His public bamouthing of Sanchez hurting his stock in the NFL draft
5
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
"We are SCared"
There is truth to the depth issue but as others have noted, that was never an issue in the past when they were stockpiling 5 star talent year in and year out. The difference is that UCLA is a viable option once again.
Whatever happened to their beloved motto to “Compete”? LOL! They’re like that school bully that gets smacked by somebody who isn’t afraid and they just don’t know how to handle it. Cry On! Whine On! Lie On! Cheat On!
for some reason, the people who read Wolf's blog
are not happy with me posting that RB Brown should commit to SUC, as his "manager’ has already publically stated he is looking for money.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Feb 9, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions
Classic! Do you have a link?
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
http://insidesocal.com/usc/archives/2009/02/brown-update.html
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Feb 9, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Heroic
Just read the thread. Brilliant how one intelligent Bruin can stupify a whole columnful of clueless trOJans.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Good job, Silver
The sad truth is that the typical trOJie still does not understand that you dominated the argument. You cited facts. They said back up the facts, so you did. Their response to a fact-based explanation of the state of the cesspool on Figueroa? You’re obsessive.
You understand that they will never get it over there. You might as well try to explain character to them. It’s like trying to explain color to a blind person.
I really feel sorry for them, but as soon as I start feeling charitable, typical Joe trOJan says something classless, clueless and arrogant, and the feeling disappears.
This latest incident
from what I perceive as one ongoing smear campaign reminds me of some the dirty tactics employed by Bush’s administration. In particular when they “didn’t leak” the CIA case officer’s name to the public for being critical of the White House. (Valerie Plume?)
If this were a (bad) movie, SC is the demon who has managed to maintain a glamorous image but is beginning to show it’s true diabolic nature when something goes wrong. The spell drops for a minute and the audience and an important character get a glimpse of the devil for a second. I guess this is good news because it’s all downhill from here for the bad guys.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
This is just the beginning
As I stated in an extended thread about a week back, the disgraceful way in which Petey handled the Sanchez announcement was the larger public audience’s first glimpse into the ugliness that Bruin fans have known was there all along. Perhaps we can’t fault others for not seeing it, after all, we live so close that the stench emanating from South Central is right under our noses. It put the Petey’s Poodle situation in a different light, and TJ Simers’ skepticism of those claims began to take root in the national consciousness. Now more spurious claims are coming out, and for the first time, Petey is on the defensive and is not handling it well. He’s not covering his tracks, and he’s letting these loose cannons make these claims that, while they are not directly attributed to him, still undermine his credibility since the claims are so laughably false.
I expect us to make gains on SUC, but it seems like they’re trying to give us a helping hand with the way they’re handling CRN’s signing day statement.
This is of course total BS
But even if OCNC made that quip to Te’o—what of it?!?!? It’s not unethical and sounds like any tongue-in-cheek tweak at one’s rival. Talk about trying to make something out of nothing.
my thoughts exactly
took the words right out of my mouth, bru79.
by insomniacslounge on Feb 9, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
i'm not even sure it was a tweak at USC...
I don’t think USC has anything to do with this at all. Sounded more like a compliment to Te’o, that CNC is telling Te’o that he doesn’t want to have to draw up a game plan against him every year. He could have said any Pac-10 school for that matter, now that we play them all every year. Anyhow, mountains/molehills and such.
Expect more of this...and it's a good thing
I wrote a little over a year ago that the two unhappiest people in LA when Karl Dorrell was fired was Karl Dorrell and Pete Carroll.
It is no accident that arguably the most successful era in Southern Cal football happened to coincide with the arguably most forgettable era in UCLA football.
We are clearly seeing the signs of both eras coming to an end. Expect the SUCsters to bitch and moan at the drop of a hat from here on out.
They’re losing it. They know it. It’s just a matter of time.
Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Similar to basketball
UA feasted on the local talent while the Crapmaker of Westwood reigned. Now that he’s gone and a real coach is in, a sudden and quick switch in basketball fortunes have bestowed both programs. The same is happening in football.
usc motto
pay the players, rape the women, and seal the records
Across The Face
Of course Chow is guilty...
Remember, Sark and Lane never committed one single violation while they were at SC. But once free of the stringent compliance influence of Pete Carroll, they instantly get busted at Wash. & Tenn. Carrying this logic forward, Chow must have been a saint at SC and must be a sinner now that he is at UCLA.
This is ridiculous
I think you would have an easier time find dirt on Snow White than on Norm Chow. The man has been in this business for 30 years and has been a symbol of integrity wherever he has been..
I think this attack just show how insecure they are because:
A) Last time I checked they have won zero nat’l championships since Chow’s departure
B) The last of their Chow recruited/coached QBs just bailed out the door
C) They now is just a matter of when not if Chow’s offense will be consistently beating them.
D) They know cheatie messed up big time kicking Chow out the door.
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