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4-Shadowing: Pre-Tournament Analysis

Back in October, I posted a way-too-early, "On the Horizon" view of what I thought a problem area for us might be, focusing mainly on our ability to cover the perimeter.  (We've already discussed our recent concerns over our ability to consistently cover and rotate out to shooters, ever since Rochestie and Thompson carpet-bombed us at Pauley.) 

My concern today, however, is linked to this disclaimer I mentioned at the very beginning of my On the Horizon post:

Sincere and honest disclaimer -- if LMRAM had come back for his senior year, along with everyone else we've got on the roster right now, I’d already have $50 down on us in Vegas to bring home Banner 12. Yep, d*** serious.

And that's the point of my analysis today:  the 4-spot.   The power forward position, one of the unfailing linchpins of our success in recent years.

ND has improved his game, no question about that.  On the year, ND has averaged 9.3 points in 23.7 minutes per game (mpg), and gone for career-highs at least twice, IIRC.   Most would say ND has been giving us an added offensive threat at the PF spot... but has he? 

I looked back at our team's offensive stats in 2006 and 2007.  I omitted 2008 because our overall team makeup is more similar to the 2006 and 2007 teams, IMO, unless CBH is hinding a double-double player on our bench that we don't know about. 

Anyway, I looked at our production at the 4 from our beloved LMRAM, and here's what I saw:

2006 -- 29.5 mpg, 9.1 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.3 apg (LMRAM)
2007 -- 29.9 mpg, 8.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.9 apg (LMRAM)
2009 -- 23.7 mpg, 9.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg (ND)

Thus, in about 4/5 the time, ND's offensive output is already comparable to what LMRAM did for us in the past, albeit at considerably longer-range.  The rebounding, though, is considerably LOWER.  In our last 5 games, in particular, ND has given us the following stats:

(A)  ND (last 5 gms):   
149 minutes, 59 points, 29 rebounds, 12 fouls. 
29.8 mpg, 0.396 ppm, 0.195 rpm, 0.080 fpm.

Now, take a look at THIS stat line during the same 5 games:

(B)  ?? (last 5 gms):
41 minutes, 15 points, 14 rebounds, 4 fouls.
8.2 mpg, 0.366 ppm, 0.341 rpm, 0.098 fpm

If you take the stats of Player (B) and project them out to the same 29.8 mpg (or just 0.5 mpg more than LMRAM in 2007), you get the following:  10.90 ppg, 10.16 rpg, and 2.92 fpg.

In the same 5 games, ND has produced the following stats: 11.80 ppg, 5.8 rpg, and 2.3 fpg.

Even at ND's average of 23.7 mpg this year, Player (B)'s per-minute projections from the last 5 games would still come out to some very LMRAM-like numbers:  8.67 ppg, 8.08 rpg, and 2.3 fpg.

Granted, no single player can replace all the Swiss-Army-knife contributions LMRAM gave to us the past 3 years, but I'm sure many of us would like to have a PF who can give us 8 and 8 or 9 and 9 while riding shotgun with PAA.  My point today is this: we already DO have such a player.  And his name is James Keefe. 

It may be unlikely, it may be too late, but I sincerely think that for us to regain our defense, our toughness, our CORE, we should get JK back in the starting lineup asap.  At a minimum, I think JK needs to earn/ play/ get as many minutes as possible. 

Keefe could be the KEY for us in three areas where we've been having trouble all year:

(1) Defensive rotation -- Next to Aboya, Keefe is our physically strongest AND most experienced big-man defender.  Simply put, he knows how to work the double-team AND the hedge better than ND.   We need our PFs to close the lane from penetrators, and crowd post-players without getting burned by being a step too slow or not properly sealing off an exit lane for a pass-out. Drago's been having a lot of problems on exactly these kinds of rotations and shifts for the past 2 weeks.  If Keefe can take ND's minutes away by providing solid D, I have no doubt that our prospects will improve.

(2) Rebounding -- Pat Riley said, "No rebounds, no rings."  Around here, we can easily say, "No boards, no banners."  We all know that rebounding is a BIG part of CBH's overall team philosophy.  If you outrebound your opponents (either on our misses or theirs), they get less possessions, we get more, and we can control pace WITH our possessions (either by running more breaks or slowing down the game with grind-out plays.  The first rule of any ball-control offense is, by definition, GET THE BALL.

The Huskies rightfully took the Pac-10 season crown by having the kind of rebounding margin WE used to bury opponents with.  If we end up brain-locking and settling for outside jumpers at any time during the Tournament, the only way we may be able to generate points for mintues at a time may be on putbacks and garbage points.  Aboya has greatly improved for us this year, but he can't clean the glass alone.  

Possessions will undoubtedly be at a premium in the Tourney.  He may not be able to maintain the same pace at 8 mpg over a more healthy 29mpg, but Keefe has been averaging half as many rebounds as ND in barely more than one-quarter the time.  With Josh's shooting touch restored, I think we need more force and less finesse at the 4 spot.  No boards, no banners.

(3) Inside scoring -- I know, I know, JK is no Tim Duncan.  Shoot, he may not even be Mark Madsen.  However, while Drago has certainly improved his footwork in the post, when Darren and Jrue drive and are unable to connect, they need someone who can muscle in a basket.  If a thin, but athletic shotblocker like Gibson can flummox us, what will the bigger, wider, bulkier trees from the East region do to us? 

At present, our starting lineup lacks the traditional Howland-type bangers, aside from PAA.  If Keefe can draw fouls inside just by showing the toughness to get IN there, that helps us down the stretch by fouling out or slowing down enemy bigs, or by simply getting us to 1-and-1s a lot faster.   As the $C game and the UW games have proven, if you're looking to draw fouls on an enemy big, ND is not EXACTLY the guy to do it.

I BELIEVE IN THIS TEAM. 

I BELIEVE IN COACH BEN HOWLAND.

I BELIEVE IN THE BRUINS.

AND, I also believe, based on the last 3 years running, that the TOUGHEST teams are the one who go farthest in the Tournament.

As I've said before, toughness is a choice.  It's a decision. It's what the CORE of this team under CBH is all about.

With that in mind, how about we throw a big man pairing of the 6-9, 245-lb. Aboya and the 6-8, 235-lb. Keefe at people and play Howland's defense again from the opening tip, rather than hit the boards 20 pounds lighter than we used to do?

What would we rather have?  ND giving us 12 and 6 like he has the past 3 weeks; or Keefe giving us 9 and 9?

OK, enough from me.  Feedback is welcome.

M

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I agree with this

I actually thought of this lineup:

5 – Aboya
4 – Keefe
3 – Dragovic
2 – Shipp
1 – Collison

You have your 5 most experienced players starting, you have the biggest size starting lineup as well, and you’re balanced on offense and defense like that.

Then u can you have Jrue backup Collison, but also back up the 2 when Anderson gets minutes. This way we have a lot of flexibility to go large or small throughout the game as well.

by blinkshot on Mar 17, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I suggested this in January, but I'm not comfortable with it now.

I admit I thought it was a good idea before (see: http://www.bruinsnation.com/2009/1/26/737065/myths-and-maxims), but I question it for three reasons:

(1) ND’s Defense — as much as his offensive game has progressed over the past 2 weeks re: footwork, driving, and shot selection, his D footwork has REGRESSED. I don’t know if he can handle rotating onto 2s as much from the 3-spot.

(2) Team Speed — JH is still not a RW-level defender, but he is still faster and quicker than JS is. JS knows better WHAT to do on D, but can’t always get his body to do it. JH is naturally faster than JS.

(3) Chemistry — I agree with misfit below and don’t encessarily want to overhaul the lineup via “tinkering” with positions this late in the game. However, as Keefe has had more playing time, esp. in the Tournament, than everyone but 3-4 players on the squad (DC, JS, PAA, and MR, possibly), I’d rather have him be added as a “new” starter before forcing ND and JS move down a slot each full-time.

Besides, if we’re talking about our “most experienced” dedensive lineup, I think that would actually be PAA, JK, JS, DC… and Roll.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 17, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roll is actually a great defender

I like watching Roll play defense. He looks close to falling over sometimes, but he just about always stays in front when the guy he’s guarding has the ball.

by tajcarny on Mar 17, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, Roll is a SOLID defender...

… but he doesn’t have the physical tools to be a GREAT one.

AA, RW, and LMRAM were all GREAT.

DC and LMR were right under there.

Roll? He doesn’t hurt us on D, that’s for sure. He knows WHATt to do, and he doesn’t give up. That’s more than half the battle right there.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 17, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagreed with you then

I am glad to see you’ve come around on ND not having the foot speed to guard 3s. :)

I like the idea. At that time, I proposed pairing Keefe with Aboya and Drago with Gordon, though not quite in the same fashion as you do now. If Keefe is comfortable starting, then by all means start him and make us tougher from the opening tip, especially if the other team has a 4 who is capable of scoring from inside and outside. Starting James in that scenario will make that 4-scorer less likely to get off to a good start. Alternatively, CBH should not hesitate to put in James if ND fails to hustle or otherwise plays poorly on defense.

I made a mental note against the Oregon schools that ND was not running back on defense, just lollygagging. That does not help us. Failure to try on defense should result in an immediate seat on the bench.

by BruinsRule on Mar 17, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sit corrected, BR.

At the time, I thought ND was doing a solid job covering and rotating between the 4 and 3 spot. Since then, ugh. The rotations and active hands in the passing lanes have REALLY dropped off.

More and more, I like having a bash-brothers frontcourt with PAA and JK. Seeing $C push us around was the last straw.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In either case, Keefe is the key.

I would not mind seeing Keefe and Drago on the floor at the same time. Then again, I think it is too late to tinker with starting line-ups.

by misfit15 on Mar 17, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think elevating Keefe over ND minimizes any damage from "tinkering."

(1) Keefe started several games at the start of the season.

(2) CBH has recently been ready to yank ND for JK for defensive lapses.

(3) PAA’s comfort with mid-range/ outside shots may still allow for spacing to enable JK to work inside.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 17, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never too late to tinker with starting lineups

In 1992, Tyus Edney was inserted into the starting lineup in the opening round of the tournament (replacing Shon Tarver). I was courtside in Tempe for that game.

These guys practice with each other every day. They play with Keefe at power forward for 10 minutes each game. He has started before.

Keefe looked uncomfortable in his beefed up body and unsure of himself during the first half of the season. If his renewed confidence and improved mobility would continue as a starter, then Ben should make it happen.

by BruinsRule on Mar 17, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In total support

of pulling ND for JK. I don’t think the drop off in scoring will be a problem, especially since JK can also step out and hit an occasional 3…between the seniors and bench points, I think the offensive would be fine. In my opinion ND’s improvement is admirable and his rebounding is decent, but his defensive rotation is hard to watch sometimes.

by tajcarny on Mar 17, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it was downright atrocious

against WSU at home, and ASU on the road, where they were kiling us with 3’s and it was largely over his rotation

given the nature of how close those games were, it hurt big time

by blinkshot on Mar 17, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also agree

with JK for ND – just balance out the minutes and use as needed. Keefe has been playing much better in his limited minutes over the past 6 games. Roll is a good defender, but struggles if his man is really quick.

by Vanman7475 on Mar 17, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it should be situation-based

ND has the ability to blow up from the 3 and give you lots of points. I know it’s not consistent, but the ability is there. Keefe gives you more rebounds but just doesn’t seem to score as much. It should be on Coach Howland to substitute at the right time. I think it’s been shown that ND does much better as a starter than off the bench. I have no problem with him starting, but when it becomes apparent that he is getting killed defensively, CBH should not hesitate to put in Keefe.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 17, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To some extent, I agree. However, how many times have we started recent games...

… by falling BEHIND?

I’d rather get our rebounders and defenders on the floor at the opening tip, so we don’t blink and fall 8 points behind by the 17:00 point.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 17, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DG as power forward

Keep JK as back up for PAA and ND. Let’s get DG more minutes. He would put the power back in PF and energy.

Further we need to get more guys around the basket if we are going to get rebounds. Look how many shots were taken with no one near the paint (PAA out on a hedge, everyone else out by the 3 point lane). It isn’t just personnel, it is plays and motion.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 17, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not comfortable, as DG also...

… is having trouble positioning him properly for rotations and dobule teams, as passes often whip right past him. He plays quickly, but not always in the right spot.

Given his over-eager play on post-D, I like having him as a change-of-pace player behind PAA. PAA offers little re: shotblocking, but is a strong position defender.

For strength and defensive awareness and maturity, I’d give the edge at the 4-spot to JK.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 17, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, power forward is a new position for DG

Given that he has only grasped pieces of the defensive strategy for the 5 position, he would be completely lost at the 4. Of course, Alfred knows how to play the 4, but I think Alfred has gotten comfortable at the 5 spot, so that you would only make this move in exigent circumstances (like when Keefe was out against Stanford).

by BruinsRule on Mar 17, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Keep the players in the POSITIONS they know best...

… even though we might have to change their spot in the lineup.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 17, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DG is too Raw and Drago needs to sit more

He’s great for the put back dunk and the occasional shot block but he will get lost on rotations and lose shooters on screens and get in foul trouble…maybe next year.

Keefe is the way to go…plus he has experience dominating the mid-major. I hope Howland sees this. Those stats over the last 5 games speak for themselves, esp the rebounding. It is crazy hard to be productive in 2min stints the way Keefe has had to.

Keefe will be a better % shooter, even from 3, and be much more efficient on offense since he won’t be jacking up shots at a high volume. I see no upside to starting Drago anymore. I’m tired of him jumping and throwing up his hands from 5ft away to look like he is contesting a shot…who does he think he’s fooling? He’ll bring a nice scoring punch off the bench.

by ucla06 on Mar 17, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

keefe needs to start at the 4

and drago needs to come off the bench.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Mar 17, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Any News on DC or DG?

All year long I wanted to point out that this was the first year where a CBH team did not have significant injuries — but I didn’t want to jinx us. So, we get them at the end of the season and in that stupid tournament.

Any one know the status of DC and DG?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 17, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How about playing zone instead of man-to-man

I know a lot of people don’t agree with me including Coach Howland. Over the years I watch Coach Wooden how he changed the defence based on the personnel he got. For instanse, he used full court pressure alot when he got a great defender like Keith Ericson. And, he used zone when he got a slow team and man-to-man with speedsters. I hate to bench ND because he is a scoring threat, but he is slow to cause us a few point. Oh well, I will support Coach Howland for whatever he plans to do.

by NNL on Mar 17, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i think we need to add some variety to our portfolio

Teams are starting to figure us out because we do the same thing every game (OK that is an exaggeration but you get my point).

A little zone might be a good thing — clearly no one will have prepared for it.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 18, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're underrating ND's offensive impact

It’s not just the stats. It’s the threat, and the extension of the defense — and the effect that has on everyone else’s stats. Our offense would be nowhere near as good if the defense could lay off 2 of our 5 players. And Aboya averages about the same as ND, yet you wouldn’t compare them as offensive players.

I wish Keefe was capable of playing, because he can obviously be a much better defender, and he does have the skill to hold his own offensively. But this year he’s been so zoned out — and frequently on defense — that I have no confidence in him whatsoever anymore.

by bluebland on Mar 17, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about this...

Drago has a positive impact in his 3pt shooting as well as his passing ability, and he can drive to the basket better than Keefe after a shot fake, but opposing teams don’t guard Keefe that much differently. Whenever Keefe is in it’s not like opposing defensive sag off or dare him to shoot like they used to do with LUC. They guard him out to the 3pt line because that’s what the scouting report on Keefe is (Keefe actually has a better overall as well as 3pt% than Drago).

Also don’t forget to factor in that Keefe’s offensive rebounding would give us extra possessions. He gets about 2x as many offensive rebounds as Drago in 10 minutes less time. Keefe has shown some good stuff in the last couple games even in limited time. I think it’s more important to start of the game by setting the tone defensively. We have 8 loses…if Keefe had remained the starter I think we’d probably have less, but definitely not more.

by ucla06 on Mar 17, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JK has been "zoned out"

You are the first one to acknowledge what I see at times….JK can look a little baffled about what is going on.

He has improved a lot as the season has progressed. I wonder if he is better coming off the bench because he has had a chance to see the action???

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 18, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how DG's per minute numbers compare with ND and JK

Earlier in the season, DG’s numbers were more than competitive.

The difficult choice CBH faces stems from ND’s inconsistency on offense and, at best, average D. Just when you think he should be pulled, he goes off on a scoring tear.

If we believe the stat’s, our strength is O and our weakness is D and rebounding.

That being true, if we can improve our D and rebounding (which leads to transition O) we will be a more balanced team.

So, in a world where I was coach, I’d play DG more and play him with PAA UNTIL it looks like PAA might be in foul trouble. Actually, I’d play a 2 “4” line up, if necessary with DG and JK in if PAA gets in trouble.

I think ND has absolutely improved his game, has become more physical, actually dives for balls now and then, rebounds, and plays a much more Ben Ball game than in previous years.

But, in those lapse periods, I’d not hesitate to play DG — for as long as he can go without fouling out.

And, it’s because that’s probably a dumb idea, I’ll never be a coach.

I trust CBH to get the most out of his kids. He does wonders and we are blessed to have him.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dilemma

We never know who is going to show up. Sometimes Drago is on fire, and he dismantles the opposition. Sometimes Keefe is decent on offense and other times he is useless. Neither are particularly quick against the dribble drive and Keefe gives up a lot of fouls, putting the opponent into the penalty situation early. I favor defense over offense, and like Keefe over Drago, but its always a tough call. The real problem with out offense is that when teams focus on stopping Collison from penetrating, like USC did, no one else can break down the opponent. You would think JH would have a field day with the defense focusing on Collison, but it just doesn’t happen. If JH could break the opponent down, the 5 would have to switch and PAA would get dunks, now that he can catch the ball. PAA has to be aggressive because his man is always cheating to help on defense. CBH’s defense double team’s the post which will always result in giving up a three (with a man running at the shooter.) If the other team is hitting, a al Rochestie, we are in trouble. Despite all this, I love my team, and will root for them all the way. Go Bruins!

by 75NatChamps on Mar 17, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could believe

that replacing ND with JK would give us an edge that we now lack, but in fact it’s really just a sort of a trade-off. I can see that JK does better on the post double-team, that he plays more energetically, and provides more physicality under the basket. But he misses bunnies! Give him his minutes, extend his playing time if he is doing well, fine. But he is coming in now, and the team is decidedly not being transformed by his presence. Would that they were! If that occurred routinely, I believe one or more of the coaches would have noticed by now. No disrespect to JK. He has made important contributions at times, and he will again, no doubt. The same for Roll. Each will get his minutes, and I hope both perform at a high level. That is really the bottom line.

by ReineSeite on Mar 17, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Western Kentucky

We all saw how JK blew up last yr against WKU in the tourney, and it gave us some solace in losing the Prince this year. But we haven’t seen that kind of performance from JK this year. For those of you favoring JK over ND starting at the 4, why do you think CBH began starting ND half-wa;y through the season? Just asking.

by Give me a B... on Mar 17, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally disagree

Drago has been one of our best players since he’s been starting.. we would most likely have lost to wsu on the road if not for his shooting.

I agree his defense last 5 games has been poor, but for the rest of the season it hasn’t been as bad as people are saying.

Keefe has been really inconsistent, but I noticed he picked up his play late this season. I don’t mind him coming in, and hope he continues to bring it off the bench. We really need both them to play well ideally, but I agree with Howland here.

by realfabfive on Mar 18, 2009 7:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with those who say its a Tradeoff

Keefe has an upside. But he also has a downside. Same with Drago.

If Howland thinks Drago is better all-around, I go with that. And it seems, Howland made that decision a long time ago. Drago is atrocious on D however. He got better- but he’s still poor.

by rfirpo on Mar 18, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Keefe -- Are you kidding me!

Are we watching the same games? Keefe might be a better rebounder but he is an absolute disaster when it comes to offense and defense is at least as suspect as Drago’s.

by Phin22 on Mar 18, 2009 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...

You guys want to tinker with our lineup on the eve of the NCAA tournament? Yeah, that’s a good idea. While we’re at it, let’s play every game running backwards and shooting only left-handed.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 18, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At this stage, I think defense and rebounds are absolutely CRITICAL.

Granted, the following analysis is not at all scientific, but I think it’s worth noting:

In our last 4 wins (albeit with only 1 against a tournament team), our stats were as follows:

WINS:
Total Rebs: 139
Total Opp. Rebs.: 102
Avg. Rebs: 34.75
Avg. Opp. Rebs.: 25.5
Avg. Margin: +9.25

Avg. FG: 50.3
Avg. Opp. FG: 38.6
Avg. Margin: +11.7%

Now, in our last 4 losses (3 against Tournament teams), the numbers are as follows:

LOSSES:
Total Rebs: 101
Total Opp. Rebs.: 117
Avg. Rebs: 25.25
Avg. Opp. Rebs.: 29.25
Avg. Margin: -4.0

Avg. FG: 44.5
Avg. Opp. FG: 55.0
Avg. Margin: -10.5%

Again, not the most scientific or objective analysis, but I think these stats show my point. We need defense and rebounding more than ever. I think we need JK in the starting lineup over ND, or at least getting the lion’s share of mintues at the 4.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 18, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a good point M

and no doubt, reverting to our old ways would be beneficial for us. But here is the problem I have: you’re basing your opinion on an extrapolation of JK’s rebounding prowess from the few minutes that he has logged in the game. There is no way to know that it will actually carry over to the rest of his playing time because you never know how things like fatigue will affect a player. JK right now is being inserted as an energy guy to shore up the defense and grab some rebounds, so he comes in and spends a lot of energy because he knows his time on the floor will be short-lived. My fear is that, if you bring ND off the bench, he will be relegated to being just a 3-pt shooter (or he might think of himself that way) and will start jacking up ill-advised shots like he did last year. I think I’d still rather have him start and get pulled if our defense isn’t up to par. It’s going to be up to CBH to figure it out early enough so that we don’t fall too far behind…then again, his 3-pt shooting could bring us right back into the game. I am almost certain that CBH has also struggled with this, but I think the best thing to do right now is to work with ND tirelessly to make him a better defender.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that JK's limited minutes are not much of a sample to draw from.

Also, looking at a pruely per-mintue basis, DG would also seem to be a good option.

However, just by looking at ND’s rotations on D the past 3-4 weeks, I’ve been noticing what seem to be more frequent misses by ND — either the ball, his man, or both end up shooting right past him. While JK is not appreciably faster of foot than ND, he seems to have a better udnerstanding of where to be on the floor on D.

Given that we have repeatedly fallen behind in the first 5 minutes of games by double digits, and we have been beaten on the glass in most of our losses, I would like to guard against such occurrences by injecting more rebounding and defense into our lineup from the get-go.

Granted, it is highly unlikely that JK could maitnain his same limited-mintues pace and give us an 11 and 10 line night in and night out (as projected out to the 29.8 mins., ND has played the last 5 games).

But, even accounting for some drop-off, wouldn’t the physical strength of a 235-lb. PF, combined with, say a 9pt. / 8 reb. line, be a benefit to our D.

I do trust CBH, and I do trust his assessment of our team’s strengths and weaknesses. Perhaps he is going for more of a balacned shooting,. Northern Arizona team than our recent Bruin-brawler squads.

However, the thought of a potential veteran, Tournament-tested, double-double capable player getting only sporadic minutes off the bench instead of steady minutes in the starting lineup makes me anxious filling out my brackets.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Mar 18, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also: Why are you discounting Howland's eyes?

Do you really think that Keefe’s playing time is due to coaching stubbornness? I mean, he began the year as a starter! He had every chance, and every advantage, including: experience, evidence of past success, and a defensive identity that Howland always prefers over its equivalent on offense. Despite all this — and despite our obvious needs on defense — he not only lost his spot but gradually played less and less throughout the year. And he didn’t seem to care too much about the loss of PT.

I think some people have seen some random movement on TV that indicates JK has been playing decent defense. But having been to all the home games, I can say that I’ve frequently seen JK be COMPLETELY LOST on defense, out of position, and very slow on the rotation. In other words: just like Dragovic, only sometimes even worse. So to me it’s no wonder Howland has played him so little.

I wish it were otherwise, I really do. And yes: he does get some nice rebounds. I think people see a few solid offensive rebounds as resounding proof that Keefe is playing as well as he did against WK. But he hasn’t played that way consistently. If he did, Howland would play him more, just as he intended to all along.

If he plays well he will get more minutes than Drago in the tourney, as a starter or not.

by bluebland on Mar 18, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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