Playing With Fire
So where to begin? During Coach Howland era usually it's the second round when we get to unpack the emotions from the kind of tough, heart stopping win we were able to eek out last night. The kind of win we experienced yesterday was pretty much identical to the ones against Alabama, Indiana and Texas A&M from last three years. Those are the kind of games when you need days to recover from. We don't have that luxury today.
As Tydides said below (in a post which struck the perfect tone) we cannot afford to do in our next game what we did yesterday: playing not to lose. Before I get more into it I don't think I have lay out exactly how much we adore Coach Ben Howland here on BN. It is also worth mentioning he is now officially the first UCLA Coach since Coach John R. Wooden to win four straight first round tournament games. He is our guy and he is going to be with us as long as he wants (and we don't want him to even think about going anywhere else besides Howlandwood). However, that said I have to say I was scratching my head last night number of time watching last night's game.
I still don't understand why Howland didn't use ML for last night's game. Here is Dohn from the Daily News:
Freshman guard Malcolm Lee said he did not play because of a coach's decision, but freshman center Drew Gordon said he was not used because he suffered a concussion during Tuesday's practice in Los Angeles.Gordon said he fell while dunking the ball, and banged his head on the court.
"This is like my sixth or seventh concussion," Gordon said. "I would say I'm 75, 80 percent for Saturday."
Before the game Gordon said his status for VCU was in question because of a knee injury, which he suffered last week against USC, but the concussion was not divulged to the media until after the game.
Well we sure hope DG is feeling better and can contribute somewhat tomorrow afternoon but I want to get back to ML. Can anyone here provide a good explanation for what Coach Howland was thinking for not putting ML in the game?
At various stretches of the second half DC was looking clearly gassed bringing up painful reminders of the ASU game. Let me bring up the quotes from Howland following the devastating ASU loss at home earlier in the season. Following the ASU game at Pauley here is what Howland said about his substitution pattern:
"It's really my fault, my responsibility, I didn't use our bench well enough in this game," Howland said. "We got a little tired, a little worn down. Should have played Jerime Anderson minutes, should have looked to get Alfred a little more rest in there. We got a little worn down."
Howland said it was mismanagement.
"It was just the flow of the game," Howland said. "I went with our veteran guys. I've got to do a better job substituting. Again, that's my responsibility."
"I probably should have played Malcolm," Howland said. "Again, that's my call."
So tell me how things were different (in terms of dynamics/complexion of the game) last night?
Second, while our defensive numbers were good, our defensive assignments didn't make a lot of sense. DC did a good job in that last possession against Maynor and Maynor for sure was getting the benefit of the doubt with lots of "Jordan Calls" from SPTR like refs. Still I didn't get why Howland stuck with DC as the primary defender against Maynor. I thought Maynor was repeatedly getting around DC throughout the game who was being forced to reach in desperate attempts to stop him. Why not go with more athletic JH and ML (who has proven his defensive ability this season) to guard Maynor or throw a combination at him?
Third, I am getting weary of this season's trend in which we repeatedly find our team in a mentality of playing not to lose, desperately trying to hold on to the lead. What was happening last night was nothing new to any of us. What I felt inside last night when we were up by 11 points (following PAA's monster mash) was the same exact feeling I had after MR sank a 3 point to go up by same margin against ASU with about 10 mins to go in Pauley. I knew in the back of mine we were playing with fire. Here is what Anthony Grant, VCU's head coach said following last night's heartstopper:
"We didn't play to keep close," Grant said. "We played to win."
And Howland?
"We didn't do a good job of closing them out when we had that lead," Howland said.
No kidding Coach.
Again last night was also reminding me of our game against ASU in Tempe when time and time and time again we failed to extend a 4 point lead in the second half through sloppy play on offense, turnovers, blown layups, and last second breakdown on defense. We played with fire and got incredibly lucky. If we take the approach on Saturday afternoon we are going to get blown out of Philly and Coach Howland once again will have only himself to blame.
BTW I know we were getting lot of bad calls. I also share the same frustrations about the BS touch fouls and inconsistent calls that really ruined the game watching experience (I am sure Cal fans feel the same way as the Bears got absolutely hosed in the earlier game yesterday v. Maryland). However, at the same time we have to convert on our freaking layups. By my count we blew 5 layup opportunities last night. If we had executed on those, the game would have a different complexion.
Now, I don't want to dwell on the negatives. They were number of bright spots in a game in which our Ben Ball warriors did after pull out a stomach churning win:
- JH certainly flashed his potential as a natural pg last night which of course leads to the question/wish of wanting to see lot more of him playing at the 1. Just dig up our old posts from earlier in the season when we were clamoring for Howland to try out JH at 1 and DC at 2. Oh well ... not much we can do at this point except hope that on Saturday when we are going up against a guard heavy team, Howland wouldn't hesitate to run the point with JH to give DC a breather and also use ML's athleticism at the 2 spot.
- ND had one of his better games as a Bruin hauling down 13 boards. He still was slow at times on rotating out on doubles, but he gave an all out effort.
- JS was an absolute warrior. The way he was playing last night picking up offensive rebounds, scoring on putbacks, showing an uncanny nose for the ball, he reminded me of the JS from his freshman season. He was all over the court.
- What can you say about PAA? He played for 37 mins last night knowing that DG was not going to be available to back him up. More amazing was his poise in crunch time, getting the roll on those huge FTs. He was simply clutch going 5 for 5 from the FT line in such a close game.
So where do go from here v. Villanova? From the LA Times:
By holding on, the Bruins proceed to a second-round game against a Villanova team that looks like a cross between Washington and California, athletic, under control.
Not only are the Wildcats a higher seed, they also have the geographical edge, their campus a short drive from downtown Philadelphia.
They looked less than invincible struggling against 14th-seeded American, trailing for much of the second half before pulling away. But if Thursday night was any measure, a great majority of the crowd will be rooting for them Saturday. At great volume.
"When we step on the floor and we hear the crowd," Wildcats swingman Dwayne Anderson said, "it's definitely a homecourt advantage."
And here is Coach Howland on our next opponent:
"This is going to be a true road game in the NCAA Tournament because they actually played here multiple times," UCLA coach Ben Howland said of Villanova. "They're a very, very good team, very well-coached, a team that really has a lot of athletic guards that can all shoot. They'll play four (guards) around one (big guy), so there's gonna be some matchup issues."
Well I think as concerned as we all are about Nova and playing on their home court, my biggest concern right now is how we are going to come out and play? Last night didn't convince me that we have the ability to focus for entire 40 mins and lock down on defense. I still haven't seen our team zone in and execute on all the easy opportunities. And I also want to see our head coach (who as mentioned above we all adore here on Bruin Nation) be a little less stubborn, by trusting his bench and have his team attack down the stretch by playing not to lose.
We are going to be huge underdogs tomorrow afternoon. No doubt about that. However, I also believe we have the ability to win the game. We have the athleticism and talent on our team to win. I just hope Howland has the team in a mindset in which they play feeling no pressure (they shouldn't because 90 percent of the nation except the ones bleeding UCLA blue and gold believe they are going to lose) and unleash their athleticism on Nova.
Make no mistake about it. If the team somehow escapes out of Philadelphia tomorrow afternoon with a victory, it will make this season an outright success. It will be an upset and frankly a pleasent surprise to this Bruin (even though I believe we can win). I just hope we don't get ourselves in a situation in which instead of playing with fire, we are playing to win.
GO BRUINS.
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JH
Good Analysis Nestor. This game was definitely a heart stopper typical of our usual second round game. I was very close to a heart attach during the last few minutes of the game.
All year long I have been saying if JH is able to play to close to his potential ability, we become a very tough team to beat. We need him to play like he did on Saturday to advance. Sometimes I wonder if CBH read the posts on BN, he would play JH more often at the point to back up DC! Oh well..
by cyberdbk on Mar 20, 2009 6:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We won.
This season has been the first since Ben Howland assumed command of the program that has disappointed me and NOT been fun to watch. Our team has been very inconsistent, both in terms of effort and execution. I have also been very disappointed in the lack of development and contribution from what was a highly touted freshman class. If I didn’t trust the coach, I’d assume these guys - who are otherwise good kids and fine representatives of the university - belong at some lame Mountain West school.
Knowing all of this, I didn’t expect much last night, so I have to say I was pleasantly surprised that we A) won, and B) played lock-down D on the final possession to force a future NBA guard into a tough shot that he missed with a hand in his face as he slightly fell away from the basket. The Defensive scheme was well designed and perfectly executed. Our defensive overall was great. What hurt us and allowed their guards to hit big shots down the stretch was foul trouble — DC and JH played great defense, but were hampered down the stretch by the fact that they came perilously close to fouling out. Maynor didn’t start hitting until DC and then JH started playing off of him to avoid fouls. We also limited Sanders’ effectiveness at the offensive end, despite the fact that we don’t have a true post player, let alone a dominant post player. Given that DG was out because of an injury, not a bad feet.
Our achilles heel, I think was not a lack of effort, but a total lack of offensive execution. Turnovers, missed layups, an offense that looked as harassed by VCU as it was, was why this game went down to the wire. I think Coach Howland is to blame for much of this — he hasn’t used JH properly (JH is clearly more comfortable as a 1 guard — when he played the one he made up for all of the mistakes in this game he made as the 2). Additionally, Jerime Anderson was worthless on offense, and I’ve got to wonder why that is at this point in the season. Finally, let me add to the chorus of those who wonder why ML wasn’t brought in to help on D. Howland in my opinion takes the blame for our team’s lack of chemistry and lack of dependable depth.
I have been more critical of this year’s team than most, I think. But, having just laid out my issues with last night’s game, let me just say I think that we should feel good about last night’s win. We won in a hostile environment against a pretty good team with nothing to lose in the NCAA tournament, where crazy sh*t happens all the time. Memphis barely beat CSUN (I’m sure Lavin was somewhere claiming he picked CSUN to beat the Tigers in his bracket), American had ‘Nova on the ropes, and so on. Last night, we found a way to win, as opposed to finding a way to lose like we did early this year against Michigan, ASU and WSU. That’s the name of the game in the NCAA tourney.
by Bruin Die Hard on Mar 20, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this sentiment. Our offense came up against a defense that should get more credit than it deserves. Larry Sanders is an absolute beast, swatting away two of Collison’s shots, but I’m not going to fault him for taking it right to the basket or finding layups for other people underneath the basket. The main problem was just finishing the plays. I disagreed with some people saying that the “playing not to lose strategy” failed. When we were milking the clock, we got exactly the shot that we wanted, but we just didn’t finish the plays because of Sanders underneath the basket.
Collison and Jrue played excellent defense last night. Sure, Maynor, scored 21 points, but he did so on 5/15 shooting. As a team, we held them to 40.8% shooting, which is really good this season. The refs really contributed to ruining the rhythm of the game, calling touch fouls on both teams, and that ended up hurting our team more than it hurt them.
Overall, I saw that our main problem was offensely. I really don’t have a problem with Ben Howland not playing Malcolm Lee more, considering a) we won, and b) no matter how tired Collison or Holiday looked, they were still getting the job done. So there was no reason to go further into the bench and dig out an inexperienced player to guard Maynor.
by chenalex on Mar 20, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I would have liked to see Lee play more just because of the foul factor. There really was no place to hide DC though. I don’t think taking him off of Maynor would have drastically reduced his chances of picking up another foul the way things were going last night because there were whistles flying in from all over the perimeter as well as inside…sometimes on our guards! Also, we got called for fouls after our perimeter switch and not just on dribble penetration, which would put Maynor on…DC, so we’d be in the exact same situation. The only way to truly “hide” DC would be what they did and go to a zone, and as we all know, that wasn’t going to happen.
I agree that the milking the clock strategy can be frustrating, but I also saw what you saw: we got the shot we wanted. That hasn’t been the case the rest of the year though, so I’d like to see us not rely on that.
by Tydides on Mar 20, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Success Last Night
Nestor, I agree with your main points — ML should have been played more, particularly given the foul trouble, JH plays better at the point, CBH can be stubborn, etc.
VCU played an excellent game. IMHO they would have beat a lot of the 5 seeds in that venue, under those circumstances. Personally, I think that the experience of WINNING IN THE CLUTCH with defense will serve us very well as we progress through the Tourney…I unfortunately don’t think we’ll have the luxury of being able to close out games by being 10 pts+ up late in the second half from here, if this is the start of the return of our game-end mojo it will be very worth it.
by glassbruin on Mar 20, 2009 6:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the media spin has started
I’m not going to link to it because it’s a piece of crap, but ESPN writer Dana O’Neil had this to say about the last play:
It was maybe three inches shy of a rewritten miracle, a touch more bounce in the knees short of another Cinderella story for Eric Maynor… As Thursday night crept into Friday morning, Maynor drove to a spot on the left side of the wing, the clock counting down below 10 seconds. With Darren Collison in front of him, Maynor elevated, getting what looked like a perfect look with deadeye aim for the bucket.
Pretty sure that’s just called great defense Dana…we didn’t play a great game but don’t even TRY to deny that DC’s defense caused Maynor to miss. I guess you can’t say anything against the expected posterboy of the tournament. No way he was actually stopped. He must’ve just gotten unlucky
If you want to see the article it’s on the ESPN tournament blog.
by bucknellbruin on Mar 20, 2009 7:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid article
That was well defended and Maynor did not have that great a look at the basket with Collison all over him. When he released the shot it clearly looked like it would be too short and it was.
by UCLA4Life on Mar 20, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The shot was almost an air ball
so to say it was “three inches shy” is more non-truth in the story.
by bornagainbruin on Mar 20, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A "perfect look"
LOL
I knew as soon as he had to upfake and he gave DC position that he was screwed and that it would have taken a miracle…the OTHER way, for it to have gone in. Dude had to fade away against his momentum with a hand in his face. The only guy I know that makes that shot consistently in today’s game is Kobe Bryant. “Perfect look” my ass.
by Tydides on Mar 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactamondo!
DC with some strategic help from JS played it “perfect”. The shot was low probability….
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know, I just realized that as great as DC was on that play,
JS may have been almost as important. He did a great hedge or else maynor may have blown by to the bucket for a bunny?
by harveyismyboy on Mar 20, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed emotions
I breathed a huge sigh of relief when Maynor missed that last shot. Great win for our Bruins, but there were many moments last night that left me yelling at the screen. For some reason, our offense just doesn’t look crisp. We look like a championship caliber team when we create turnovers and score in transition. But, when we’re forced to enter a half-court offense against a zone, we just didn’t execute. I couldn’t count how many times the ball was in DC or JH’s hands with the shot clock winding down, leading to a drive to the basket into double or even triple coverage, and throwing up a missed shot. I mean, that can’t be a designed play, can it? I’ve seen that same situation time and time again throughout the year. And it always seems to come when the opposing team is mounting a huge comeback. I hope we can dig deep tomorrow and have better production from our half-court set.
by Kerckhoff405 on Mar 20, 2009 7:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Missed more bunnies than Elmer Fudd, but SOME jitters should be gone now...
One could see a lot of “active nerves” last night. Missed layups at point blank range. Missed catches in the paint. Missed passes in the breaks. Missed rotations off of double-teams. Missed opportunities all around.
And yet, at the same time, these were sins of action, not necessarily inaction. Our guys may have been feeling the pressure on them from everyone in the free world outside of BN, and tried to overcompensate with hyperactivity and unfocused urgency. With that out of the way, maybe NOW the Bruins can be cleaner on execution without the anxiety and nerves of the opener.
There were SO many positives mixed in with the frustration last night. We ALL felt the latter, and should remember the former.
Think of it this way: if someone had told you BEFORE THE GAME that…
… PAA would play 37 minutes and score double-figures…
… JS would pull down 16 and 8…
… Nikola would pull down THIRTEEN REBOUNDS…
… JH would have a 13 and 6 assist game…
… all starters would score in double figures, and…
… the team would go 17-19 at the line…
… AND we’d win, would you take it???
N is right in saying this felt like one of our 2nd-round nail-biters than our usual 1st round runaways.
So what do we do?
— We thank heaven we have a video/ scouting staff that probably got our assistant coaches 8-10 games of Nova before they got on the plane (and probably gave them 8-10 games of American, too, just in case), so we don’t have to lose time FINDING footage, just like the article this week that said we had a 2-1/2 day head start on such things.
— We trust that CBH and the benchers will learn from today, and have actually a well-rested Drew Gordon and Malcolm Lee ready for playing time, to confront the guard-heavy Nova squad, thus restoring our ptoentially outstanding depth.
— We look at JA and realize this frosh just got his feet wet, so some of the pressure HAS to be off.
— We look to our senior trinity of DC, JS and PAA, along with key reserves Roll and Keefe, and realize that this core group of 5, while they may be tired, have the skill, savvy, and familiarity with CBH’s Tourney between-game-coaching style to absorb new knowledge and schemes on the fly .
— We become encouraged that ND stepped up against a pro-size center and — bless you, Drago — pulled down a career-high THIRTEEN boards in a pressure situation.
— We take heart that DC tried his best to challenge the same NBA-size center and DROVE to the basket, rather than shrink from the challenge, even if a dish-off or two were fumbled, or got blocked in the waning moments.
— We gaze eyes wide-open at watching JH move into a double-point role, and respond with steady, unhurried drives for scores or dimes in the paint.
“It’s about how hard you can GET hit, and KEEP MOVING FORWARD.”
Learn from yesterday, Bruins, and KEEP. MOVING. FORWARD.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
by Meriones on Mar 20, 2009 7:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Meriones, when you said
“our guys must have felt the pressure from everyone in the free world,” you really hit a raw nerve there because that’s how I would feel, were I in their shoes. The expectations to at least be in the Final Four again, if not winning it outright just seems to stifle them.
That said, I wish I could tell these players what coach K said when POTUS predicted his archrivals, North Carolina, to win it all. Who cares, work on the economy pal. Get those AIG bonuses back and most of all, make sure his own people pay taxes too, every single penny of it.
Well, at least I get something off my chest and guys, “shock & awe” Nova tomorrow. Make sure all your long bombs find their target, your tomahawk jams go in.
Win or lose, we are with you. Winston Churchill would tell you what I am saying now, " Never so few against so many in UCLA’s finest hours…… " FDR would also tell you what I am saying now, " There is nothing to fear but fear itself ! " So tomorrow, MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU !!!!!!!
by Htse005 on Mar 20, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind the tomahawk jams
All we needed to make this a comfortable win was to get some quite makable layups to fall the way they normally would.
The positives were outshown by the close call. We got what everyone said they wanted going into the game which is why we won.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was funny N brought up the second round comment
This surely reminded us a lot of second round games in the past. A lot of that has to do with what I believe is playing a second round opponent last night. All the pundits seemed to think so, and if you were to go by their assessments of our last opponent, you would never get the sense that they were an 11 seed would you? By the same token, tomorrow we will play what in previous years was a Sweet 16 caliber opponent in the second round.
by Tydides on Mar 20, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another bright spot
17-19, 89%. That was our free throw shooting. Amazing that a UCLA team would actually win a game at the line.
I was hoping for a sharp performance leading to a convincing, statement-type of victory. All I saw was a victory. I guess that’s all that really matters.
Hopefully, that “switch” that DC referred to will finally come on. Saturday would be a good time to turn it on.
Go Bruins.
by godblesstyus95 on Mar 20, 2009 7:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think we'll see
all the BenBall warriors against Nova. For one thing, CBH has already alluded to “matchup problems.” For another, Villanova has a guard-heavy line-up. Also, they ran a 1-2-1-1 full court zone press against American, then a switching man-to-man. They have good size. On offense, they attack off the dribble a lot. So they will require a lot of energy from the Bruins. On the plus side, matchup problems cut both ways, and we have a bench. Certainly there is no reason to hold anything back. By the way, we can beat Villanova.
by ReineSeite on Mar 20, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BSPN
Suddenly the douchebags over at that network have it that UCLA survived the upset bid from VCU. Wait a minute, I thought they all announced that VCU would clearly win this game?
by UCLA4Life on Mar 20, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"B"SPN
I like that – very much. That’s gonna stick.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
by gbruin on Mar 20, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Mar 20, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a follow-up metaphor?
Basically describing how they spew their nonsense? They just throw #$%@ to the wall and hopes one of them sticks? Hehe..
by UCLA4Life on Mar 20, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home Game for Nova
Ok, fine, it’s a “home game” for them and a road game for us. I’m tired of the lazy media beating this drum over and over.
So what? We played a bunch of road games this year in front of crowds which were 95% in support of our opponent. We won some of those games and we lost some of them.
We can win on the “road.”
Next issue.
by Barnes2JJ on Mar 20, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I caught a little of the villanova-marquette game from the big east tourney
When we think of villanova, we’re used to thinking of 3 or 4 guards with 1 taller player. This Villanova team bucks that trend and I’m pretty sure they have the more traditional team. If not, they play at most 3 guards.
Nova is led by Scottie Reynolds (of course) who seems to be a bigger and stronger guard, and their other main threat is Dante Cunningham who I want to say is their center. The Cunningham guy impressed me and I think his matchup with Aboya will be the key to the game.
To me, this game is a lot like the Cal team from 3 years ago where they have a good mix of guard play, low post, and a decent 3 pt threat. I would say Reynolds is probably a lot like Ubaka from the Cal team 3 years ago, and Cunningham should be a lot like Leon Powe. I don’t remember who their 3-pt threat is, but I do remember them hitting a few. With that said, they’re probably a lot more athletic than that Cal team from 3 years ago also.
That’s all I really remember.
by karaethon on Mar 20, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its sort of funny
when I started posting here during DDD (dark days of dorrell), Nestor and I agreed on almost nothing. Now, this basketball season we are totally sympatico.
I think CBH is a great coach. I also think he has OCD or some other repitiion complusion thing going on because he simply will not change. He does the same thing over and over again.
Why was Malcolm Lee not on the floor? There is not a good answer. Why did we not play Jrue at the 1 and Lee at the 2 to see how they would perform? again don’t know.
What we do know is we went into our prevent offense with 5 minutes left, and it did what it always does, gets us about 4 points. And allows the other team to score at least 8. We should have had Jrue at the 1 in the last 5 minutes and continued playing aggressive on offense instead of the hold the ball for 20 seconds at the top of the key and try to run out the clock
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Mar 20, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there are a number of good answers why Malcolm Lee didn’t play. We just don’t know which ones are true.
by chenalex on Mar 20, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am in line too
Sat watching the game wondering why ML was not in like everyone else. Was not surprised because when the going gets tough, Howland goes to the guys that he trusts. From the beginning of the season to last night there is only one change: last night he trusted JH not just MR.
I think he will watch the game and kick himself because he had tired guys out there. And who knows how fully recovered DC is: he may tighten up for the Nova game.
We got lucky that PAA could go 37 and that JK did OK in replacing him.
And, I have posted before that THIS team more than any other team I have seen, really flounders when CBH moves them into “prevent” offense though I do agree with the thread we did get the shots we wanted — we just could not finish. Still, I think THIS team needs to have the pedal to the metal all the time.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night was a bad example of "prevent offense"
We still got shots that we wanted and in virtually any other game those trips would have ended up with us at the foul line, so that particular criticism rings hollow for one night. The larger point you make though is that we haven’t always gotten the looks or opportunities out of it that we did last night, and it has come back to bite us in the ass on a couple occasions this season which is undoubtedly true.
As far as psychoanalyzing CBH, I think you’ll find that most coaches on this level have that personality. It’s almost a prerequisite to becoming a coach because a stubborn adherence to your beliefs and fundamentals is the only way to weather the crazy ups and downs that come with the profession.
by Tydides on Mar 20, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 comments to your comment
1. IMHO last night we did get some good shots but even the seniors need rest …. they play better.
2. You are right about coaches in 2 ways: they stay loyal to their beliefs because otherwise there is no hope of consistency and improvement. And they are ALL consistent about going to “prevent” type of things.
3. We got good shots last night that did not go in, but a couple of seconds more may have given us a better second shot.
But dont take me wrong: a win is a win. There are always ways to improve (and/or nit pick). CBH has his strengths and weaknesses. But overall, man am I glad he is at UCLA.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about ML and understand why he didn't play
Does nobody realize that we were playing a full-pressing team last night who put it all on creating turnovers? Lee is very turnover-prone this year. Right now he can’t handle the ball like Jrue or Darren. Even Jerime didn’t touch the ball last night without turning it over. The strategy was to get the ball across half court and we did that (our stupid TOs came in our half and didn’t generate any points for VCU, luckily).
Sure, it would’ve been nice to see Lee, but I can’t blame Howland for conservatism in this regard. Backcourt turnovers were the best chance VCU had of winning last night, and I think trading fatigue for safety made sense. Call it “playing not to lose.” We didn’t lose.
That said, Lee will absolutely have to play against Nova, and play well.
My biggest criticism from last night’s game was Collison’s role on offense. He has NEVER played well when hurt. Last night he was completely helpless when driving the lane, either turning it over or serving easy blocks. Until DC’s healthy Jrue has to play as much point as possible, in my view. The problem is that DC can’t do much at the two.
by bluebland on Mar 20, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
DC hurting was one of the reasons I was so surprised he played so many minutes
I thought last year both DC and JS wore down. I get that feeling again about DC reinforced by the injury. Maybe the comments about ML have been misinterpreted. I, at least, was not advocating him replacing DC or JH. Just looking for a few, high energy, intense defense minutes to give the starters a blow.
Good point about turnovers though.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There Have Been a Lot of Good Reasons Posted on Why ML Was Not On the Floor
Paramount is that VCU doubled DC on the press allowing JH to bring up the ball more easily. Take DC out and put ML in and you might have seen more trapping on the press — and we’ve not done well against a trap full court press.
And, then there’s the fact that ML is turnover prone. And, not a very good free throw shooter.
And, also that both JH and DC were doing a very good job on Maynor — he was something like 5-15, and some of the 5 came after both DC and JH had some fouls on them.
Actually, the choice was really between MR and ML and all year long, MR has been a more consistent and productive player. MR played well, again, last night.
Finally, I would have wanted DC on Maynor on that last play more than anyone else on this team. In the last 2 years, I’d pick either DC or RW. It was critical to play great D with no foul. I would not put that on ML.
In another thread, gbruin and I talked about CBH putting the tournament into the senior’s hands and how that’s a position not easily criticized.
I like ML and thought that maybe he’d play a few minutes while we had a lead to rest our players.
CBH knows better than anyone whether they needed to be rested or not. Anyone think he may have asked them? Also, since he is within feet of all of the players anyone think he might have been the person best suited to judge their emotional readiness?
I am tired of hearing people call CBH stubborn. It’s like when they said he couldn’t coach O — and lo and behold we have one of the most efficient O’s in the land.
One of the strengths of BN is the critical dialogue that flows from thoughtful posts — and this discussion is in that mold. However, calling CBH names is no more proper than calling our players names.
sjh
sjh
by Class of 66 on Mar 20, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about MR
He has been having a good year. And, with a few minor exceptions, has been steady in the positive sense: dependable on defense, effective on offense. He even had a couple of big rebounds last night.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second-Guessing
It does sound strange to second guess a coach who has taken us to 3 straight Final Fours, but Coach Howland should be subject to the same criticism that any D-1 coach should rightfully receive.
I agree with your points, particularly about not playing Lee. Lee would have been invaluable, even if he didn’t score a single point. He would have kept the D a little fresher in the second half, and could have potentially sparked a couple transition baskets. Physically, I think he would have been a great matchup with Maynor on D and probably could have disrupted some of the floaters Maynor was hitting in the second half. Really, there’s no excuse for having our bench play only 24 minutes, with our starters averaging more than 35. That’s a recipe for disaster in my book, especially with less than a 36 hour turnaround.
Nevertheless, a win is a win this time of year….
by kimjongil on Mar 20, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh? Six or seven concussions for DG?
“This is like my sixth or seventh concussion,” Gordon said. “I would say I’m 75, 80 percent for Saturday.”
I really hope he’s exaggerating. Having more than one concussion is a serious deal. I’m not talking about his playing ability here, I’m talking about his health. Anyone know anything else about past concussions of his?
by Westwood Wizard on Mar 20, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hockey
DG got his previous concussions (at least most of them) from playing hockey.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 20, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha what the hell
Hockey? I bet he’s a damn good ice hockey player.
by harveyismyboy on Mar 20, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is sooo obvious
that Coach Howland needs our help. For example, it has been my opinion for quite a while now, that we should play zone from time to time. If I were coaching the Bruins, we would. But there is no chance of that, so we will have to limp along under that stubborn old fool’s leadership. Just think, if we had speeded up the offense against VCU, taken more shots, Maynor would have had more opportunities to score against us, or get fouled and score with the clock stopped. Collison could have been sent to the bench with 5 fouls, but who needs him? In comes the Wunderkind to shut Maynor down, JH goes wild and scores at will, and we win going away. Victory cigars all round. Howland resigns in shame at having been exposed as a lucky fraud, and the Bruins, free at last, go on to win the national championship, averaging 102 points a game. What a wonderful thing imagination is.
by ReineSeite on Mar 20, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, OK, OK you make a good point
We won. We survived. CBH wins again. It is not a coincidence. He is a great coach.
I
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is another center who is available
What about the other center, the guy from Dallas? He hasn’t seen the floor in a long time, but with DG hurt, rotate JMM in and see what happens. He is tall, can raise his hands and create a block of some sort on defense, and does like to go to the basket on offense. With other contributors on the bench, it might be worth the risk. I hope he comes back next year and explains why he has been so invisible…
Bill
BillSouthBay
by Mensgym on Mar 20, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The OK State/Tenn game is REALLY good
76-75 OK State, with a free throw after the time out. Less than 7 seconds left. This is after Tenn nailed a basket on the other end, and converted the FT.
by freesia39 on Mar 20, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK state wins
Went for the win with the three, it misses.
by freesia39 on Mar 20, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least this SEC bothered showing up
But 1-2 for the SEC so far
Close game by Marquette and Utah St also. Lets see what ASU can do now
by blinkshot on Mar 20, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree
With the notion that the Bruins were “playing not to lose” at the end of the game last night. The last offensive possession, yeah not so great. But prior to that, they attacked the basket on pretty much every possession in the last 4 minutes, which is exactly what they should do in that situation. Sanders made 2 or 3 great plays on clean blocks, Holliday left one layup a little short, JS and AA got fouled and made 4 clutch FTs, which ultimately helped preserve the win, and the refs swallowed the whistle on 2 or 3 obvious disqualification fouls on Sanders, which led to a transition 3 and a foul and 2 FTs for VCU. So I see it as a case of the Bruins doing nearly everything they should have and ultimately battling through adversity for precious tourney road win against a tough team in a situation where a less disciplined team would have gone down. It may have been hard to watch, but I don’t know there was a lot they could have improved tactically.
Also, about playing the second team guards – Howland did try and get them some time with about 10-12 minutes left when we extended the lead to 11, but Maynor responded with a bucket, and an assist with a foul for a 3 point play in about 30 seconds, so Coach – I think quite reasonably – brought JS, AA and DC back immediately. I don’t think anybody would have been happy with the coaching if the Bruins were beaten by a run that happened with our 3 triple-final four seasoned seniors on the bench. For better or worse, we’re going to be riding those guys as far as they can take us, and they’ve more than earned that opportunity.
by powderbluekoolaid on Mar 20, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DC vs. Maynor at the end
Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports had this to say about the last play of last night’s game:
The historic highlights are always about buzzer beaters – the final-second shots made courtesy of superior play. And that’s fine.
Thursday night though, UCLA’s Darren Collison delivered the defensive equivalent, making the play that won the Bruins their first-round game over VCU, 65-64 in the East Region.
Collison guarded VCU’s devastatingly quick guard, Eric Maynor, who just two years ago scorched the Duke backcourt for a game-winning jumper.
With Maynor looking to duplicate another game-winner over an all-time program, Collison cut off the lane, made Maynor pick up his dribble and then refused to fall for a foul-drawing pump fake. With a hand in his face, Maynor was forced into a disjointed 17-foot jumper that fell harmlessly short.
Anything less out of Collison and Maynor probably scores, UCLA loses and the shot is remembered forever.
Nobody wants to watch highlights of a guy playing defense. The video of Collison on Maynor won’t be a Pontiac Game Changer or be immortalized in future commercials. It won’t be toasted in Westwood the way, say, Tyus Edney streaking the length of court, still is.
This was the game-winning play though. And it spared the Bruins from being on the wrong end of the replay.
This is the reason UCLA is back to powerhouse status, seeking its fourth consecutive Final Four. Ben Howland is a great defensive coach and quite often that’s where the game is really won. Thursday, his star player proved it in the biggest moment of the game.
by JWongUCLA on Mar 20, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A Toast to DC!
Here here!
Maybe not from Westwood, but from Westwood in Exile.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Mar 20, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitt is in a really close game
46-44 Pitt, 9:38 to go.
by freesia39 on Mar 20, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mabye a little more strategery than we think?
I finally got around to watch the game from last night…only to see that the last 5 min weren’t recorded. #$#%
Anyway, there are a few things that come to mind for me:
- I agree that CBH should have tried to play ML more, particularly when we were up by 7 or more. But that is exactly when VCU would press the most, and with somewhat inferior ball handling skills, that might have been the right move after all.
- You also have to remember that Villanova was in a dog fight for most of its game yesterday as well, meaning that its starters played a lot of minutes as well. So maybe it wasn’t as imperative for CBH to keep our players fresh.
- Finally, as most have pointed out here, this was the game in which we had a lot of pressure on our team, so I am not surprised at all that CBH went with the veterans and tried to limit mistakes. Don’t kid yourself, he feels pressure as much as the players and the rest of us. On Saturday, he’ll have an extra guard who will be quite fresh, and hopefully DG will be good to go too (can you play with a helmet?). Furthermore, ‘Nova missed out on some scouting since they didn’t see them play. So granted, CBH might have made a few mistakes last night, but we won the game, and those mistakes may end up being beneficial after all…
Let’s just enjoy the game tomorrow! Nothing to lose, just play like we know they can play. Bring the heart and the fire.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 20, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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