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Thoughts on the Rotation and DC

Bumped. GO BRUINS. -N

First off, let me say this: I think that CBH made the decision to ride his seniors all the way – win or lose – last night. And I agree with that decision. I don’t think they would’ve wanted him to put their careers in the hands of the inexperienced freshmen. I know a lot of people were frustrated with the subbing pattern last night. But i honestly wasn’t one of them. DC made a couple of “tired” looking plays, sure. But not ONCE did he turn the ball over while breaking the press, and I think JH only did once – and it was on the 2nd play of the game when that full court pass just sailed too far. I’m with you 66, I will ALWAYS trust DC when he’s on the floor.

Don’t forget, JA is our true backup point guard. He turned it over at least 2 times in short minutes against Maynor and Rodriguez’s pressure. ML doesn’t have the handle that JA does – I just don’t think CBH trusted him to take care of the ball.

Remember guys, there is more to the game then scoring and making plays offensively. I think DC did an incredible job defensively on Maynor all night. He got beat a couple times, but most were because he was being cautious due to fouls. But at the same time, DC is a senior. He knows how to play with fouls, knows how to pick his spots, and knows how to get the angle to cut a drive off. 2 or 3 of his fouls were total BS…but he didn’t hang his head or quit being aggressive. Personally, and I’m probably in the minority here, I thought this was one of DC’s best all around games of the year. Points, assists, and all other stats don’t show what DC meant to us last night.

And of course, the final play of the game. It bothered me last night that people were mad at CBH/DC for that last offensive play. Sometimes you have to admit that while we made a good play, the other guys simply made a better one. We were up 1, with the ball, and 48 seconds left. No one should complain about the “prevent” offense here. As for DC, what do you want? He got penetration, got a look at the basket, and the freakishly long Sanders simply blocked the shot. It was a good drive by DC, but just a great block by Sanders. Some times the other team makes a good play. That doesn’t mean we messed up.

And as for those that think JH should’ve had the ball, don’t forget he missed his fair share of layups last night. I love the kid and he played a hell of a game. But (I don’t remember who said it) someone in the thread said that “If we had JH take the last shot, the last defensive possession wouldn’t have even mattered”. Really? You honestly think that Holiday would’ve had better luck penetrating against Sanders? DC did everything he could’ve done – it would’ve taken Kobe to flip that ball over Sanders, and even he might not have done it.

And DC’s defense on that last play cannot be understated. Every other guy on this team probably would’ve gone up after Maynor’s 2nd pump fake. JH and ML are great defenders, yes. But they’re still inexperienced, and in all likelihood, overexcited. DC’s career was on the line, but he still had the poise to wait for Maynor to commit and force him into a really difficult shot.

So guys, just try and remember everything that DC and CBH have done for UCLA basketball the last 4-5 years. I think they've earned our trust that they'll come through with the right play/decision at the end of games.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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I couldn’t agree with you more. I think DC played a great game, despite the less than average (for him anyways) offensive numbers. I also think that you are right that pretty much anyone else on the team probably would have bit on the fake and jumped to block it, getting Maynor to the line. DC definitely showed that he earned his spot on the All Pac Ten Defensive Team last night. I hope he continues to get to make the last play for us, both on offense and defense.

by BruinDrums on Mar 20, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree on the rotation

Coach Howland is going to ride his seniors through the tournament, along with those with experience. And Jrue, since you cannot deny his talent.

by freesia39 on Mar 20, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ride the seniors, YES, but hey give them a chance to catch a blow

Agree that the seniors SHOULD have been there at the end of the game. I said in another post, JH has “earned” that right as well.

The rotation issue is earlier in the second half, when we were up, give DC the chance to sit, to rest, so that he can charge later. That is why the concern about the use of ML (which I suspect has more to it than we know so far): even a few minutes in the middle of each half could have helped.

DC is the man. No one—or at least not me— is challenging that. And he showed it on the last play of the game!

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this too

For reasons stated in my post on Nestor’s thread. Though I do believe our last offensive possession was doomed. DC had succeeded in making only one basket (all game) off the dribble. Under other circumstances, it’s the most reliable play, but i would’ve preferred a kick-out given the presence of Sanders and DC’s lack of elevation in that game.

by bluebland on Mar 20, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the last play

Darren Collison had a good look, Sanders just made a better defensive play on the ball. About the only thing that I wish had changed was if DC had started the offense a little earlier so that it doesn’t result in just 1 shot just in that scenario. Who knows, if ND had a second or 2 to set up that 3 maybe he hits it and UCLA seals it right then and there. I am all for CBH’s patient get-the-best-look offense. It’s when the other players play spectator and do nothing off the ball that really irks me. And I think that may be why CBH doesn’t play the frosh as much, since they don’t know the offense well enough and have not been significantly consistent contributors off the bench.

by UCLA4Life on Mar 20, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You wrote:

"First off, let me say this: I think that CBH made the decision to ride his seniors all the way – win or lose – last night. "

I think he made a decision to ride his seniors on the first day of Fall practice and not a thing has changed since then.

Go Bruins

by Achilles on Mar 20, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well

that’s a good point lol. i just wanted to emphasize last night in particular

by bucknellbruin on Mar 20, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would guess even CBH may say he should have given them more rest

I am talking a couple of minutes over the course of the game…..

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 20, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I support Coach Howland's decisions

They always say that good coaching wins close games. Maybe it is true that Coach Howland should play ML some, but then how do we know that ML doesn’t make stupid mistakes if he plays? Had we made three out of the five layups, the whole game will be so much different. Don’t forget we are talking about 18 to 22 years old kids here. What they have done last night was great. They were trying to do the best they can. Luck is always a big factor too. How many times they missed the free throws so we can survive at last. I remember a lot of us complained about ND and insisted JK should be started prior to the game, and I am glad Coach Howland stuck with ND. To me, that is one of the many decisions Coach had made and worked.

by NNL on Mar 20, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

rotation

this rotaion problem causes problems in my opinion. you don’t groom the guys all year long for the following season, especially as thin as we are this year. you are getting them playing time so that when tournament time comes you have more options. malcom lee shuting down wash. st. shooter or drew gordon giving you an extra 5 fouls in the paint and some rebounding and energy(injury noted). the freshman we have are more than capable of having great 4or 5 minute stretches to help get you through games like last nigth when foul trouble was an issue. your suppose to use them like other teams using a zone defense to slow down another teams run. you know just to give them a different look. come on this is basketball 101 stuff. i am not saying to give these guys big minutes but, to try and plug some holes til your veterans can get going.

by #1bruinfan on Mar 20, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What about a 10' bank shot?

My frustration last night was NOT the rotation, while it IS frequently the fact that we so many times stand around the perimeter waiting and waiting and finally taking a 3. But last night with the freakishly long Sanders ( who had already it seemed like rejected about a half dozen in the last 4 minutes), I thought it would have been perfect on quite a few occasions to pull up and take the dreaded 10’ bank shot. I know, I know those don’t make ESPN…and so most don’t practice that shot enough. The cutter could even dish it to…NO not a 3 point shot, which is the rage but to a mid range jumper with a much higher percentage of success, while the passer is screening Sanders, or a forward cutting behind Sanders. So while I was so glad they were driving to the hoop, I thought that they needed to adjust a little to the monster in the middle. In the end, you make two 10’ bank shots, and DON’T miss only 2 of your 5 layups and we win by 9! That’s how close we were to easily taking care of VCU, and the type of play we will need to get by Nova.

Keep driving to the hoop, mix it up with some mid range jumpers, make our layups, and follow-up our layups to get those easy put backs….an occasional three…..and we beat Nova like a drum right out of Philly! Besides I have you in the final four on my bracket, and picked 15 out of 16 yesterday! Keep it up.

Go Bruins!

by tru-bleu on Mar 20, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Reposting this from a different thread

Dan Wetzel has this to say about last night:

The historic highlights are always about buzzer beaters – the final-second shots made courtesy of superior play. And that’s fine.

Thursday night though, UCLA’s Darren Collison delivered the defensive equivalent, making the play that won the Bruins their first-round game over VCU, 65-64 in the East Region.

Collison guarded VCU’s devastatingly quick guard, Eric Maynor, who just two years ago scorched the Duke backcourt for a game-winning jumper.

With Maynor looking to duplicate another game-winner over an all-time program, Collison cut off the lane, made Maynor pick up his dribble and then refused to fall for a foul-drawing pump fake. With a hand in his face, Maynor was forced into a disjointed 17-foot jumper that fell harmlessly short.

Anything less out of Collison and Maynor probably scores, UCLA loses and the shot is remembered forever.

Nobody wants to watch highlights of a guy playing defense. The video of Collison on Maynor won’t be a Pontiac Game Changer or be immortalized in future commercials. It won’t be toasted in Westwood the way, say, Tyus Edney streaking the length of court, still is.

This was the game-winning play though. And it spared the Bruins from being on the wrong end of the replay.

This is the reason UCLA is back to powerhouse status, seeking its fourth consecutive Final Four. Ben Howland is a great defensive coach and quite often that’s where the game is really won. Thursday, his star player proved it in the biggest moment of the game.

by JWongUCLA on Mar 20, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

I figured it would get more exposure as comment. =)

by JWongUCLA on Mar 20, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach Howland said himself.....

“It’s really my fault, my responsibility, I didn’t use our bench well enough in this game.” And… “I probably should have played Malcolm,” Howland said. “Again, that’s my call.”

Even old Ben knows he almost cost us that game. ML could have really helped out DC defending Maynor. Get real guys, this is a team. Not a team of seniors only. We were willing to live and die with JH out there, and not playing ML at least 10min wore DC out and nearly cost us. 1 point is all we won by, and remember that PAA had to hit 2 clutch free-throws to keep us ahead. DC was gassed, and we need him Saturday. I’m afraid we might be screwed for our next match-up against Nova since we pushed our seniors to the brink.

Bruin-4-Life!!!

by dwdbruin on Mar 20, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

CBH quotes

I think those were his quotes after the first ASU game this year, though some may argue they should apply to last night’s game, too

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Mar 20, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you rather

we had lost? It’s time to get off this and start enjoying the ride the rest of the way. We’ll be underdogs regardless on Saturday, and based on our season that’s not really a game anyone should expect us to win, though it is one that we are capable of winning. So chin up and start sending some good vibes.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 20, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Malcom Lee Not Ready for Prime Time and BVH Offense

I was at the game and sat in the UCLA section. There was some person there who booed Michael Roll and screamed for ML. This is just wrong:

1. This is terrible to Roll. He has worked hard and improved. He is a good offense player and okay on defense.
2. Lee is a good defense player but is out of control on offense. Take away a few flashes and games against bad teams and he is a liability RIGHT now. He needs some work because his basic offensive play is to turn to the basket and drive. Lee is the future but he is not there yet.

Second, everyone complains about Coach’s offense at the end of the game. I too hate the way Drago and Shipp disappear. Only AA is the same player at the end of game as he is the rest of the game. But I have to ask, have you been watching this team over the last 3 years? Two out of the last three years, we almost always turned to the primary crunch time ball handled to take the last shot. It is not DC fault but a pattern.

1. Three years ago, the end of the game was everyone waiting around for Jordan Farmar to do something. He could also pass but everyone else was passive. DC is not Farmar in that he is not the passer and is not as comfortable shooting outside unless he is set.
2. Two years ago, everyone waited for Aaron Afflao to jack up the shot in crunch time. DC is not Afflao in that he cannot do fade away or mid range jumpers over people. It is not DC’s fault that he is relatively short.
3. Last year was the exception. Love demanded the ball but don’t forget he had to often come out high to get the ball. We had two options that year.
4. DC is just being the heir to Afflao and Farmar. It is unfortunate that DC has only one crunch time move, the drive to the basket for a layup or a floater. (Yes he is a good 3 point shooter but he does not have the size of Affalo to get his outside shot off closely covered, nor the ability to shoot jumpers on the move like Farmar.) It is not DC’s fault. He is the best free throw shooter of the group (important in crunch time) and a better defender than Farmar.

More reasons.

5. Before you bag on DC and Coach too much, think about VCU. Everyone knew Maynor was going to take the shot. We aren’t different.
6. Also never forget that Coach will always be defense first. That forces DC to run down the clock to give the other team less time for their offense. We are like the Ravens or those teams in any sport that think defense first. We will always sacrifice some offense for defense. DC is doing what coach wants and helping our defense when he runs the clock down.

I’ll be one of the few Bruins Saturday at the Villanova home game. So yes, be nervous if it is close but believe in Coach and root for DC. They have earned our support.

by BVH Knows Best on Mar 20, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great points

I bet ML plays on Saturday though, at least 5 min. It was like watching a NASCAR race and the lead car was running out of gas with 3 laps to go!

Bruin-4-Life!!!

by dwdbruin on Mar 20, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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