Debunking NBA Myths, and More Jrue News
At SI.com, Ian Thomsen debunks a few myths about the NBA, along with a few tidbits that should be of interest to Bruin fans.
I've said earlier that the whole "There is no defense in the NBA" meme is way overblown. Well Thomsen agrees, and he adds this:
"They don't play defense in the NBA.'' Said Celtics coach Doc Rivers: "That's one you always hear, and then the [college] players get up here and realize they didn't play defense there [in college].''
If I may paraphrase, Rivers is saying that the defense is far more sophisticated and demanding in the NBA. I asked Heat rookie point guard Mario Chalmers, MVP of last year's Final Four, how many defensive schemes he learned in college. "We had four or five defenses at Kansas,'' he said in Boston this week.
How many defenses are schemed by the Heat? "I don't know,'' said Chalmers, who called across the locker room to Miami assistant coach Ron Rothstein. "Coach, how many defenses do we run?''
Rothstein wasn't quite sure how to answer. "We defend for the pick-and-roll,'' he said, "for isolation, for the catch-and-shoot, for the single screen, for the double screen, for the side pick-and-roll ...'' He went on and on.
"You're talking about more than a dozen defenses,'' Chalmers said.
Said Rothstein: "The NBA is about defensive situations. You have a way you operate, and then you go from there. Depending on the team you're playing, you make changes.''
Here's the thing. Defense isn't spotlighted, and it is surely less likely to land you a big contract as offensive brilliance. But you have to play it, and play at an adequate level to hang with the quickness and strength of NBA players. It is worth noting for the recruits out there that Coach Ben Howland is widely regarded as one of the best defensive coaches in the country. It's about fundamentals, and that's a head start on the rest of the rookies when you have to learn the intricacies of the dozen or so defensive schemes mentioned above, which translates into more playing time - more time to showcase your skills. Trust in Ben Howland guys, he knows how to get you to the next level.
Also of note:
"NBA players don't care.'' It's true that many of them are selfish at the expense of the team. But you'll find this to be true in the NCAA as well.
In another sense, NBA players have never cared more about their careers. Because there is so much money at stake, they train year-round and practice more often than players of previous generations.
I can tell you that it drives college coaches crazy when their players leave the program to undertake a 24/7 workout and diet regimen in preparation for the NBA draft. Kevin Love transformed his body after last year's NCAA tournament to improve his stock for NBA talent evaluators. Don't you think UCLA coach Ben Howland would have appreciated that commitment on behalf of the college program?
I do think this is a little unfair to Kevin, as you can ask any college student how easy it is to get into that kind of shape while trying to handle the class load (and subsequently stay academically eligible). It is nice to get the recognition of our program though.
And last but not least, some people may find this to be the most important blurb of all under "2 Collegians with Something to Prove":
Jrue Holiday, freshman guard, UCLA. "From what I know, his plan was to be one and done -- one year in college and then into the draft. But he has regressed this year to the point you say, 'This is not the guy I know.' He just hasn't made shots and now it's in his head. You know a guy has lost all confidence when they pass him the ball because he's open from 17 feet, but he doesn't shoot it -- he takes one dribble to take a 16-footer that's contested because he thinks the closer he gets the easier the shot will be.
"I have him rated [as a draft pick] in the 20s, where earlier this year I had him going nine to 14."
(Holiday had 13 points and six assists and made 5-of-12 from the field in the Bruins' 65-64 victory against VCU in the first round Thursday night.)
I'd argue this isn't the best assessment of his abilities, but these are the words of an NBA scout, so who am I to say otherwise really. I think it's certain he'll enter the draft so that he can go and do the workouts and get the feedback. What is uncertain is whether he'll pull his name out after the fact. I personally think he can do a lot better than the 20s. I think a year at PG running the show for a high profile program like UCLA where he can play his projected position would be a fantastic plan if he doesn't get the answers he wants to hear from the scouts.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Nice work Ty
It’s nice to see defense making its way back to the NBA. And what better way to learn it than to play in-your-face, man-to-man defense a la Howland.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Jrue
One additional point on his draft stock – this year is EXTREMELY point guard heavy. Here’s a short list of guys most teams may consider at the point before Jrue:
1. Rubio
2. Evans
3. Lawson
4. Teague
5. Curry
6. Warren
7. Jennings
8. Maynor
Jrue began the year ahead of most of those guys in the minds of NBA scouts because of his potential – which we’ve all seen glimpses of. At this point though, I just can’t imagine he would be drafted ahead of the majority of the guys on that list. I believe he still has a ton of potential, and that he’s likely to have a breakout year next year if he stays around, but whatever he decides I wish him the best.
by cabz on Mar 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have we forgotten DC so soon ....
or do we believe his stock has fallen so far that he doesn’t even rate a mention?
by snorkeldorf on Mar 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans is a 2 and the verdict is out on whether Warren can play the 1 at the next level. The PG competition list could be very crowded depending on who keeps their names in the draft. You need to add:
Darren Collison
Patrick Mills
Sherron Collins
Toney Douglas
Johnny Flynn
Nick Calathes
Greivis Vasquez
AJ Price
Scotty Reyolds & Jack McClinton are 2’s stuck in a PG’s body but they’ll get consideration as combo guards as well. There are others who may test and stay in the draft.
This is a deep class for the PG position. JH needs another year to 1) run the point full time and 2) refine the rough parts of his game. We all know what a extra year under CBH can do for a players pro prospects. We’ll see what JH does but I’m not holding my breath. I’ll never blame a kid for taking advantage of a good opportunity when 1 play can destroy your career.
by BlueReign on Mar 23, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
however
Rubio is probably not going to enter the draft next year. His contract in Spain contains a HUGE buyout clause and an NBA team would only be allowed to pay $500000 of it. So Rubio would sacrifice about $2-3 million of his first contract. Not likely to happen
by bucknellbruin on Mar 23, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely haven't forgotten DC - it wasn't intended to be a complete list.
That, and DC’s stock has dropped considerably from the beginning of the year. He had an amazing season last year, especially toward the end of the year and late in games when it really mattered (with the exception of the final four). This year, not so much. He had a nice season, but he didn’t put his stamp on games like he has in years past. I honestly cannot see any team drafting DC over Jrue – they’re too enamored with potential.
There are a ton of underclassmen on the two lists above – the only way I see Jrue going out is if a lot of the guys on that list decide not to declare (or in Rubio’s case, he cannot negotiate a cheaper buyout – but people close to him have said he may come anyhow if he’s a top 2 pick).
by cabz on Mar 23, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think it would be so short-sighted
of Jrue to go in 2009. Last season, he was probably our fourth-best player after DC, Aboya, and Shipp; if he stays for 2010, he’ll be our best player. That’s a fact. And a lot of people have made the Afflalo comparison, but keep in mind that Afflalo was the farking Pac-10 POY when he decided to declare. I’d just be confused if Jrue left (of course, I was similarly confused when Luc left, although that turned out to be a good move by him).
by theslammer on Mar 23, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Many were surprised by Westbrook deciding to go, until he was drafted 4th (and ahead of Love).
I will be surprised if Jrue decides to leave, and even more surprised if he goes in the top 10. I know the NBA puts a lot of emphasis on potential, but he simply has not lived up to the hype. I don’t mean that as a knock on Jrue. I believe he played exceptionally well for a freshman, but the hype that surrounded him as (by many accounts) the most talented freshman was just something he did not live up to (especially considering the prior years freshman class that accounted for 4 of the top 5 picks in the 2008 draft).
by cabz on Mar 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Westbrook was different
I wanted Westbrook to stay, just b/c I thought he would have gotten EVEN better, but remember, he played point when DC was injured during the beginning of last year, & RW improved tremendously. And during the year, RW made all those amazing dunks & stuff!! So we could see RW’s athleticism, etc.
Jrue seems not quite as developed at this point IMO, so I really hope he comes back & has the awesome year that he is physically capable of having.
by bellewong411 on Mar 23, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jrue will declare and go to workouts
where he’ll be able to show his athleticism and skills off. Either he impresses and goes pro or he doesn’t have quite the athleticism and potential some thought and he comes back. Nobody is really going to know much until the work outs. It doesn’t really matter if you saw his athleticism in a game as long as he shows it to the scouts and executives.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 23, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rye, I agree that those work outs end up being the most important factor..
and based on that, I do think that he will demonstrate that talent and we should consider him gone. JA will run the point and will make huge strides when given the minutes, along with the other young Bruins.
by 84 on Mar 23, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I wouldn’t underestimate how much Westbrook’s showing against Memphis helped him.
by kidro2001 on Mar 23, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True kidro
Jrue, I don’t believe, ever had a huge game like that
by harveyismyboy on Mar 23, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the nba pays for potential not output
ucla bruins should know that. how many of our guys have left early even though they were still raw (at least one last year—hint hint).
personally, I thought for Love to be successful (think Carlos Boozer), he needed to get rid of the baby fat and tone up. well he made progress after he left. JH needs to work on his game, especially offensively. He wont make anyone forget OJ Mayo. If he can elevate his game, more money will be there for him.
by bruins72 on Mar 24, 2009 6:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me,
or for whatever reason did it seem like Jrue can’t really hit a jump shot. Sure he hit a few 3’s, but honestly it seems like he just could not make Shots this year. I love him, don’t get me wrong, but he has to work on his jumpshot.
Thoughts?
by harveyismyboy on Mar 24, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just say this one more time:
Jrue was definitely not our best player in 2009, and might not have been one of our three best (considering DC, Shipp, and Aboya). Compare that to other recent Ben Ball Warriors who have jumped early:
Farmar in 2006: was unquestionably our best player.
Afflalo in 2007: was unquestionably our best player.
Love in 2008: was arguably our best player.
RW in 2008: was arguably our best player.
The only NBA jump that really surprised me was LRMAM, and hell, he probably did it because he was tired of losing in the Final Four every year and because he was much more NBA-ready than we all thought (as evidenced by his current Bucks gig, in which his coaches have had nothing but good things to say about him). Nearly every quote I’ve heard from every NBA expert is that Jrue has a lot of potential, but he NEEDS another year of college. You couldn’t say that about any of our other early jumpers; they had nothing left to prove at UCLA. Jrue still has to show people that he can successfully play the point and shoot jumpers consistently. I’d say that’s a lot to prove, and he could conceivably move up 20 spots in the draft if he can pull it off. He HAS to know that, he just has to.
by theslammer on Mar 24, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KL
I agree with the notion that KL should’ve dedicated himself physically while at UCLA. He had almost one year with us and his physique remained the same, but as soon as he declared for the NBA he shaped up in a quickie.
by UCLAngels on Mar 24, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Love's physique
When he was a student, he had to attend those pesky classes and study. When some of us were in school, those activities ate up about all the time there was. Once he was no longer in school, it looks like he spent all that time working out. I have no criticism of a guy who does what a student has to do when he’s a student.
by Fox 71 on Mar 25, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe KL withdrew
from classes in the spring quarter so he could devote himself to a diet/conditioning/training program to get ready for the NBA.
I someitmes dropped a class in spring quarter so I could get to the beach earlier in the day.
It’s kinda the same thing. Well, maybe not.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
by gbruin on Mar 25, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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