A Few Fun Facts About UCLA Basketball
Bumped. GO BRUINS. -N
With UCLA having suffered an early exit from this year's tourney, we UCLA fans are bound to run into a joker or two who will try to denigrate our program as having amounted to nothing since the retirement of John R. Wooden shortly after UCLA won its 10th national championship in 1975. I heard from one of those jokers today, so I did a little research and learned some fun facts that might help you if you encounter these Bruin-haters.
Before getting into the data, it is important to note that I do not subscribe to a theory that college basketball began in 1975-76 (Year 1 AW (After Wooden)), or in 1985 (Year 1 of the 64- now 65-team field). The previous years are meaningful. Morevoer, no one would suggest that Duke fans should be forced to remove the Coach K years or UNC to remove Dean Smith's tenure or Indiana to remove Bobby Knight's success from any discussion of which program is the greatest.. That being said, if we were to pretend that college basketball began when Coach retired, UCLA holds up very well against other programs and has clearly been, in this 34-year stretch, one of the 5 or 6 elite programs in the country.
Since Wooden retired, UCLA has:
- won 13 conference titles, which ranks 4th behind UNC (17), Kansas (16), Kentucky (14).
- appeared in 27 NCAA tournaments, which ranks tied for 4th (with Arizona, Louisville, Kansas and Kentucky) behind UNC (32), Indiana (28) and Duke (28).
- been to 6 Final 4s, which ranks tied for 4th behind Duke (11), UNC (11) and Kansas (7) have been to more)
- won 1 championship, which ranks tied for 10th behind Kentucky, Indiana, UNC and Duke (3 each), and Louisville, Kansas, Florida, UConn, Michigan State, (2 each)
So, in the last 34 years, we rank 4th nationally in 3 of the 4 categories involving major accomplishments, and we're two national championships away from being at the top of that category. Only UNC has done more in every category. We've even handicapped ourselves (or you could say that Pete Dalis handicapped us) during this period by having 7 years of Hair Gel and 7 more with Farmer and Hazzard at the helm. That's a pretty phenomenal record since Wooden retired, a record that about 340 Division I teams would gladly trade with us. Indeed, if you are as optimistic as I am, you have to believe that the next 10 years will have at least one more and maybe as many as 2 more titles for the Bruins (I say 2 because no team has won more than 2 titles in any 10 year period since Wooden retired), which would move our national ranking even higher. If you wanted to assign points for these accomplishments based on their significance, I would use something like 1 for a tourney appearance, 2 for a conference championship, 3 for a Final 4 and 5 for a championship (recognizing that a national championship would actually be worth 9 because it is a tourney and Final 4 appearance) UCLA would rank 5th:
- UNC 114
- Duke: 99
- Kansas: 90
- Kentucky: 88
- UCLA: 76
- Indiana: 74
So, next time someone says, what has UCLA done since Wooden retired, you'll be well armed. Of course, in our universe and any other that includes Woden, any argument about greatness in college basketball can be won merely by saying 4 words: UCLA, Wooden. Alcindor, Walton. If you prefer more detail:
- 43 tournament appearances (2nd to Kentucky (50)
- 18 Final Fours (1st)
- 11 championships (1st)
- 99 tournament wins (2nd to Kentucky (100), but could fall behind UNC this year (99))
- 40 Conference Championships
- 1,642 wins
- 10 consecutive Final 4s (most ever)
- 37 First Team All Americans
- 31 First Round NBA Draft Picks
Go Bruins!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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very helpful historical view
there really is a college basketball elite.
my thought in reading this is, CBH has returned us to a place that we would not be otherwise…
by glassbruin on Mar 26, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two more amazing Wooden stats...
Everyone knows about 88 wins in a row.
Do readers remember 38 straight wins in the NCAA tournament?
Even more amazing than that, from 1964 thru 1975, UCLA never lost a tournament game in which it was the favorite. (The only loss was in OT against #1 NC State.) I can’t imagine any other team going 11 straight tournaments (no opportunity in 1966) — playing 4 or more games each time — and not even once being upset.
Also of interest is the opponents could stall, (after soph year) Alcindor wasn’t allowed to dunk, and Shackleford and Bibby were never credited with 3 points for a basket.
by ucla7477 on Mar 26, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The "Between Years" were amazing as well
We lost Alcindor and Shackleford and Allen and that great team. We had not yet had Walton and his group appear. We had a 6-9 center (Steve Patterson) who had basically just been fodder in practice for Alcindor. We had an undersized forward in Curtis Rowe. We had a very talented and supremely erratic forward in Sidney Wicks. We didn’t have a chance to repeat. We probably wouldn’t even win our league. (We didn’t in 66, after having back to back championships.) But we won. I think we won solely and exclusively because of Coach. When he put five 200 pound players on the scale, the combined total always seemed to be around 1,500 pounds. The one team always played much better than the combined talents of the players.
And he did it two years in a row.
A lot of critics denigrate our wins in the 70’s because we had Alcindor and Walton. They seem to have nothing to say about the Between Years, though.
by Fox 71 on Mar 27, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "other" years
Fox71…. what is the thing with weighing the team? He must have taken a class in Kinesiology at UCLA…. :) 1966 was Freddie Goss, and Oregon State won the league and Texas Tech, using an all black lineup, won their championship vs. Adolph Rupp and Kentucky, which has been chronicled a lot. I attended the UCLA freshman/varsity game that year and saw the freshmen beat the hxxx out of the varsity. Alcindor was terrific….
Bill
BillSouthBay
by Mensgym on Mar 27, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was supposed to be a nifty figure of speech - the whole being greater than the sum of the parts
Oh well, they don’t always work.
I remember well the 75-60 drubbing the freshmen gave the returning two-time NCAA champs. If I recall correctly, that was the first game in Pauley. I quickly bought tickets for the NCAA regionals which were to showcase Pauley in the post-season. I could understand why we might not have won the Pac 8 that year, with the loss of Lynn and Lacey, but I never understood how OSU won it. Again, I have a distinct recollection of our beating them something like 79-35 at Pauley, albeit before the injuries.
Let’s see — who did we get to replace the coach who couldn’t get back to the championship game after winning it two years in a row? Oh, yeah. We decided to stick with that stubborn old guy. What fools we were back then.
by Fox 71 on Mar 27, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your nifty FOS was fine
Your memory of the “in between” years is terrific, and as I remember, the 1966 Frosh/Varsity game was the first at Pauley. This just proves that you are wearing a hat when out in the Florida sun shooting par golf…. :)
Bill
BillSouthBay
by Mensgym on Mar 27, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post.
Just another example of a Bruin doing a very thorough job on their homework.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Mar 26, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Job
I was recently trying to get some facts regarding what a friend of mine from Notre Dame said. He claimed that UCLA and Notre Dame played a lot when both Coach Wooden and Digger Phelps were at the helms of each program. He also said they kept on splitting because they were such tough games. I have been trying to find actual season results for that time period, but I could not find anything.
It really looks like a short period of time since Phelps started at Notre Dame in 1971 and Coach Wooden retired after the end of the 1974-75 season. If they had played prior to 1974, then UCLA would have won because of the streak, but I would really like to know the true answer so that I can share it with my friend. Any suggestions regarding sites with historical schedules? If not, thanks anyways for the interesting post.
by EdtheBruin on Mar 27, 2009 7:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The UCLA Basketball media guide has results for every past game
Online access here, the schedule is in the section labeled “History”.
From 1971-72 through 74-75, the Bruins had a 5-2 record against Notre Dame – Notre Dame actually did split 2 of 3 home-and-home series (1973-74, ending the streak in the process, and 1974-75). Average score of the games works out to: 78-65, UCLA.
by bruinhoo on Mar 28, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UCLA Basketball media guide has results for every past game
Online access here, the schedule is in the section labeled “History”.
From 1971-72 through 74-75, the Bruins had a 5-2 record against Notre Dame – Notre Dame actually did split 2 of 3 home-and-home series (1973-74, ending the streak in the process, and 1974-75). Average score of the games works out to: 78-65, UCLA.
by bruinhoo on Mar 28, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you very much for posting this diary....
Personally, I found this season very distressing. I still have trouble getting the last 11 minutes of the ASU game out of my mind.
Frankly, I’m glad it’s over. I didn’t not feel that it was a great year for anybody in the program, both players and coaches. This is just my personal opinion. It just always felt like we were climbing uphill and I think if you took CBH and had a private, frank conversation with him, he would say the same thing.
But I’m also glad you posted your information about the success of our program over the years. It gives me some comfort.and hope for next year.
I will be a Bruin until the day I die. But that doesn’t mean I won’t get frustrated from time to time.
Every year I begin the year believing we have a chance to win the NCAA championship. I even tried to believe that during the Lavin years. I hope we will take the lessons learned from this year and grow as a program and come back better next year.
by waters96 on Mar 27, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Louisville destroying Arizona
Arizona down by 23 at halftime, 32 at 11:32 left.
by dokein on Mar 27, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+37 at 2:33 left. I’m not 100% sure Louisville has failed to score on any possession.
by dokein on Mar 27, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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