Chris Forcier To Transfer
by Achilles on Mar 30, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
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Just got word that quarterback Chris Forcier has been given his release and is transferring from UCLA.
"He has been granted his release and he's exploring other options," UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel said.
This is the way it is supposed to work, people. You recruit a bunch of good quarterbacks and let them compete. And the one's that end up low on the depth chart, transfer.
Our prior coach didn't approach things this way. He became so unraveled by having Drew Olson and Matt Moore compete with each other that he eventually vowed to never take two qbs in the same class.
Rick Neuheisel has it right. Recruit your qbs, let them battle it out and let those who don't rise to the top transfer somewhere they can play and open up the scholarship for another player.
Good luck to Chris Forcier. Here's hoping he finds a program more suited to his playing style.
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I would have liked to see him stick around and compete
but I get how he wants to play.
I’m thinking he’d do well to go to a Div IAA school in state like Cal Poly or UC Davis. He’d also be more likely to run all over the field and play qb in a manner suited more to his athleticism.
I dunno ...
he might be able to find a DI team that runs a spread offense.
As for transferring — I don’t think he had much of a choice. Neuheisel basically said that Prince and Brehut are getting the majority of the snaps in spring and we know that Craft is also ahead of Forcier. Fourth string = writing on the wall.
Go Bruins
Good luck C-Force
I think he would be a perfect fit for Utah’s system. I applaud the coaching staff for a very classy move in releasing him.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Mar 30, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions
That's funny...
My cousin is dating Forcier, and her sister is dating Jordan Wynn who just signed to play QB at Utah. It’ll make for an interesting holiday season.
I agree, its good to let this kid go get playing time
But I don’t necessarily think this is a good thing for our program. There was a time when a lot of people thought Forcier would be the man at UCLA, so even though it may be good for all involved, its not exactly good news (at least to me).
Forcier
He never had a chance to be backup QB at UCLA. He didn’t have the talent. We have heard that through observations from lots of people who actually attended practices. This news is not a surprise and certainly not bad news anyone who understands something about program management.
Another thing
Before you make an assertion that letting this kid is not good for the program don’t forget the fact we have the best OC in college football leading the program. I will take his assessment and that of CRN over any internet commenter opining what is good or not good for the program.
What's Good for Our Kids Is Good for Our Program
Achilles takes the right approach to this — it’s not just about us, it’s about CF, too.
A coach should never stand in the way of a kid who is trying to reach his full potential even if he feels he must go elsewhere to do so.
It’s all about Karma. Treat people well and you will be treated well.
The good things CRN does will redound in good things for our program.
sjh
I agree with SJH
That coach across town sees things exactly the same way. For example, if there is a QB who wants to leave early to go to the NFL, he would never stand in his way.
Oh, wait a minute.
Never mind.
i get it
he has way too much talent to ride the pine but that was what was gonna happen if he stuck around. he’ll be at a d-1 running the spread somewhere. it’s the right move for everyone. best of luck to him
Across The Face
He had "way too much" talent?
Do you have any evidence that backs up the assertion that he had “way too much talent”? Did you go to lot of practices? Do you have practice tapes?
nope
i feel you may have misread my comment, but in any case…
i don’t go to practice regularly and i don ‘t break down practice tapes. but i have some friends, whom i consider to be in the know and whose opinions i value highly on these things, that spoke very highly of c-force coming out of high school. he was highly touted coming out of high school. the same folks also said style could be an issue and as far as i can tell, they seem to be right.
anecdotally, i heard he was the best qb we had on our roster his freshman yr (when he redshirted) from some folks i spoke to who were at the practices, granted he was being compared to ben olson,bethel-thompson, and rashaan.
he’s 6’3 and runs a sub 4.5 40. he had offers from miami and florida in addition to us and other schools. the kid has talent.
i think the situation just didn’t work out his way and now better options are available for crn.
even though he didn’t look so hot in the few chances he got in games, i saw some glimpses of a pretty good player. but hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Across The Face
I will trust Chow and CRN's opinion over your friends
As to who was our best option last year. Not to mention I will also trust the observations on “friends” and “sources” we have been depending on over the years on BN and we have done all right depending on their takes to formulate ours on our football program.
not a CRN-Chow guy
He was recruited hard by CTS and signed early in the process. In fact, his early signing probably steered Aaron Corp, who signed late in the process, to USC. Whatever it was CTS was feeding him, it worked because Chris wasn’t a logical fit for CTS’s West Coast system and is even more ill-suited to Coach Chow’s pro-style system. Chris is an incredible athlete and was much ballyhooed coming out of high school because of his blazing 4.4 40 time at the Nike camp.
I just hope that the past two years he’s spent floundering in a system he isn’t suited for doesn’t diminish his overall growth as a QB. Chris will be better off somewhere else that can utilize particular skill set. Competition is great for the program.
Don't forget the reports about his effort, commitment, and playbook study
All of which were very, very disappointing.
Ah you're right
something about how tough it was for him to spend his afternoons studying the playbook rather than napping.
by Seanny Rotten on Mar 31, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
totally.
i figured from the tone of ur first response that u may have misconstrued my words and i think that’s what happened. i didn’t mean to imply that he should have been playing more last yr. never said c-force was or wasn’t our best option last yr. i was implying at what the kid as looking at down the road. i think right now. he’s sitting behind at least 3 guys who are at least equally talented and prolly better suited to the scheme. i don’t think crn or chow think c-force doesn’t have the talent either, that’s your opinion. but as i said above, everyone is entitled to their own
Across The Face
That's cool
I just wanted to make sure people didn’t think as if Forcier didn’t get a fair shot. From what I have heard and from all the reports from last year’s practices he got all the opportunities to compete. He just never “got it.” Hopefully he can use his athleticism somewhere else. Meanwhile, UCLA can work with the youngsters already on roster and work to bring in more recruits who would fit Chow and CRN’s system.
Someone on the BRO message board ...
pointed out that at one point Dorrell told Chris Forcier and Aaron Corp that he’d take the first to commit.
He should have waited for Corp.
Karl Dorrell is the gift that keeps on giving.
Go Bruins
Don't want
to sound like a douche but the transfer was much needed. If you count the bodies, we’re still going to see some others transfer, medical retirements (forget the correct term), etc in order to fit under the limit.
The kid had talent but it never worked out for him at the QB position. Would have liked him to switch to wr or db but can’t fault him for sticking to his guns. Wish CForce the best wherever he ends up.
And to think...
…at one time Brett Johnson transferred from UCLA to Michigan State because he was told he would have to win the starting job. And his little snot-nosed brother went to $c solely because of the way his brother was slighted at UCLA…Competition for the QB spot is what is needed…Let the best performer run the show…
All hail the Mighty Bruins!
Hope the kid lands on his feet.
Sometimes, there just isn’t a right fit.
Hope he finds his.
Good luck, kid. God speed.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
It would have been a shock
if Forcier did not transfer. If he could not beat out KCraft last year, the chance that he would ever see the field as the UCLA starting QB was virtually non-existent. There was no reason not to give him a shot last year except that CRN and CNC knew that he was not ready and playing time would not have helped. IMO, he will not end up starting at a D1 school, unless he finds a school whose QB situation was worse than our’s.
Forcier’s situation reminds me of Sean Phaler, who was offered a basketball scholarship by the previous staff. As I recall, Howland agreed to honor his scholarship but made it clear that he did not fit into his system. Phaler ended up committing to New Mexico (or New Mexico St.). One of the main reasons the basketball team Howland inherited was in such bad shape was poor recruiting. Unfortunately, the same is true regarding the football team CRN inherited. They were a bunch of GREAT kids, many with big hearts. But, we were not recruiting kids who could play on the next level and it showed on the field.
I wish CF the best of luck and also hope he lands on his feet and ends his college career on a high note. But, I am also excited because CRN and CNC are doing what it takes to keep us headed in the right direction.
Lack of talent, really?
It is unfortunate that you are pointing to his lack of talent as the reason that he didn’t make it at UCLA. It was said by a few here on the message boards last year that C-Force was the best looking QB both in spring ball and in the Spring game. I do believe that his undoing (aside from his lack of knowledge of the playbook) was that he does not fit Norm Chow’s offense or his prototype of what a quarterback should be (lets not forget that a scrambling Vince Young was Chows undoing in the NFL). For the most part, Chow has groomed pure pocket passers, which totally goes against Force’s skillset. He kept running out of the pocket trying to make plays (in hindsight, maybe it was because the line was so atrocious, and the others might have ran too if they had 4.4 speed!), and Chow didn’t like that. He was a bad fit for a good system. Period. Good luck C-Force wherever you land. My guess is, he will be a success wherever he lands, as long as it compliments his skillset.
Young was Chow's undoing?
I’m not sure what you mean, I don’t know how on earth you see that. Oh look, turns out Kerry Collins was pretty f%$cking good. And it turns out Vince Young is pretty, uh, inept, at learning playbooks. He’s a great athlete but he can’t learn squat. Can you imagine how Chow would have done with Kerry Collins? I don’t think Coach Chow was very happy in Tennessee, but they really squandered a great opportunity in my opinion.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Right
Chow having to deal with the likes of Young is the reason why we are lucky enough to have him with us today. If Chow was lucky enough to have a QB that fit his style, he’d still be in the NFL.
Oh I see what you mean
Guess it was just in the cards, lucky for us! I still don’t think Young will be all that great, even with an OC who will utilize him properly.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
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