Ben Ball Roundup: March Thoughts
Let's start this Monday by trying to put aside all the outpouring of senior day related emotion from Saturday. Ben Ball warriors ended their 2008-09 Pac-10 regular season on a hot streak winning 4 games in a row (5 out of last 6) setting themselves up in a good position heading into the Pac-10 tournament. While congratulations are in order for Washington Huskies for winning the Pac-10 title for the first time since the days of Ike as President, I am sure there are many Bruin fans out there thinking what would have happened if we had held on to an 11 point lead with about 8 mins to go against ASU at Pauley, or took care of business against WSU at home. Yet there is no use in doing the woulda-coulda-shoulda routine at this point. Instead let's lock into the present and think about how the Bruins can get off to a good start on Thursday night, setting themselves up for a good week at Staples.
For starters Bruins didn't get off to a good start against a defensively challenged Oregon team. While the final score was a blowout on Saturday, our first half defense was rather atrocious. As a team we only committed 1 first half foul (which is kind of a miracle given the SPTRs propensity to call fouls when a player breathes hard on his opponent). There wasn't a lot of defensive aggression and we were giving up a lot of wide open looks from the three points. Tracy Pierson from Bruin Report Online one of the key defensive culprits from Saturday (excerpt from free article at the time of posting):
As a team, the Bruins generally didn’t play really well, particularly on defense, allowing a pretty poor Oregon team to lead for most of the first half and hang with them for far too long. Oregon freshman Drew Wiley had a career night, hitting 6 threes and scoring 18 points on a slack UCLA defense. A friend texted me during the game and asked: "While the rest of the team is playing man-to-man, why is Nikola Dragovic playing zone?" Facetious, but, really, accurate. Time and time again Dragovic sagged of Wiley and allowed him to have a cup of coffee and catch and shoot. To make an excuse for Dragovic, he was spending a lot of time sagging off his man seemingly trying to help inside and prevent dribble penetration, but he was lazy and slow getting out to his shooter to close out. Wiley hit a couple of threes in the first half and Howland yanked Dragovic for James Keefe. Wiley went silent, then Dragovic came in for Keefe, and Wiley woke up again and hit two more threes.
Can't agree any more with that observation. ND has made tremendous strides in his game. Stat wise he had a decent game offensively yesterday. He also had three blocks including a spectacular rejection of Catron's dunk attempt. Still his defense was a huge liability and I think if were playing a more experienced team, it would have hurt us in a big way. While ND has made great strides this year and has made some key contributions on the offensive side, I don't think we will put ourselves in a position to make substatial impact this March, if we continue to get mediocre to poor defensive effort from the 4 spot.
Speaking of average, I though JH played another average game. He had some spectacular moments on fast breaks making some uncanny passes but still at times he appeared somewhat lost on defense and sloppy on the offensive side of the ball. Thought his comments to Dohn following the game were kind of revealing:
"I can't tell you if I'm leaving or staying," said the Campbell Hall of North Hollywood graduate. "I think I'll make my decision after March Madness. We're looking to make another run to the Final Four."
Those comments (at least to me) comes off as a kid who has already made up his mind re. where he is going to be next year. I just hop JH can live up to the hype of a "lottery pick" in however many games we have left. Because to be frank from what we have seen on the court, I haven't seen the performance of a "Ben Ball warrior" who matched those of JF, AA, and RW (forget KL who was once in generational talent). He has had some good games with nice stat lines (he had 7 boards, 5 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks on Sat) but he simply hasn't been able to display his "potential" on a consistent basis and establish himself as an impact player. Perhaps it was unfair for us to expect that but given the kind of "one and done" hype he came in with (which wasn't the case with JF, AA and RW) we all thought we'd see a little more from him. So it feels weird and different wrt to him as a "Ben Ball warrior" when we see him not so committed to coming back for a second year. I guess all of that will work out on its own. UCLA basketball will be allright with or without him. I am hoping he will be able to live up to at least some of his hype in big games before he is done in Westwood because to date he has not.
Anyway, the freshmen who I thought were most impressive yesterday were DG and JA. DG had a fantastic game IMO finishing the day with 6 points, 5 rebounds (4 offensive) and a block. What I thought was great about his game on Saturday was that he was staying with his man instead of going for the athletic option - block - every time out. He stayed right infront of his guy playing defense like a Ben Ball warrior. I can't wait to see this kid develop more under Coach Howland.
Also solid was JA who scored 4 points and dished out 5 assists in 14 solid mins (especially after DC went down). From Dohn in the Daily News:
"(Anderson) really made some good reads," UCLA coach Ben Howland said. "My favorite play was he drove and he jump-stopped and he gave the ball to Alfred (Aboya) for a lay-up. That was a great play, and you could see he's got the ability to be a special player down the road."Anderson was averaging 7.4 minutes, 1.2 points and one assist per game in conference play.
However, since a five-turnover fiasco in seven minutes against Washington on Feb. 19, Anderson has nine assists and three turnovers in five games.
"I've gotten used to what I'm supposed to do," Anderson said. "I've gotten a little bit more comfortable when I get out there. I feel comfortable with my teammates, and what they want to do and what they like to do. As a point guard, that is something you need to know about your team."
I have high hopes for the freshman core of JA-DG-ML and hopefully JMM. I think those guys will still go through growing pains next year (in a team that will be even more inexperienced in terms of game experience next year compared to this one) but together with next year's recruiting class, I think they have the potential to set up for a special season in 2010-11.
Anyway, coming back to present, about JS's career day:
Two days after scoring a career-high 27 points against Oregon State, the fifth-year senior bettered that by a point. He didn't score for the first 13minutes, 29 seconds, but his layup to pull UCLA within 32-30 ignited his day. "Once I get a few going, I'm dangerous," said Shipp, who is averaging 19.9 points in the past eight games. "I can get it going in streaks. I stay patient. I take my time and I just wait and see what the defense gives me. I definitely don't try to force anything. That's when you start pressing and not playing good basketball." His 3-pointer just before the halftime buzzer gave the Bruins a 47-40 lead, and he capped of another strong shooting performance (11 of 17) by making back-to-back 3-pointers to give the Bruins an 83-61 lead with 4:07 to play. "He doesn't miss in practice," UCLA senior center Alfred Aboya said. "When he shoots the ball, there's no rebounding. You know the ball is going in. I think that is definitely something he has carried over to the game." Hopefully JS can stay in rhythm rest of the way:
As for PAA he had a tough first half no doubt feeling the jitters infront of his parents. He missed a number of easy shots but finished the day strong as usual.
As for DC of course everyone was holding their breath when we saw this:
Thankfully though it sounds like he is going to be allright. From the Daily News:
The best news for UCLA is Collison appears to be OK. He was fouled and landed hard on the floor midway through the second half, bruising a tailbone that left it painful for him to sit for the final 12minutes, 13 seconds. His Senior Day ended with him scoring 19 points, and with him getting X-rays at UCLA Medical Center on his tailbone. X-rays were negative, and while Collison acknowledged he will be sore today, he also is not expected to miss any practice time. "It's nothing too serious, thankfully," Collison said. "It was a tough fall, but most important thing is we got the win and it's only day-to-day. I'm in pain, but not too much pain. The good thing is I didn't break anything."
And the LA Times:
"I'm going to be all right," he said, looking toward the start of the Pac-10 tournament at Staples Center in a few days. "I'm going to play Thursday."
What I loved about DC yesterday was that he was attacking the basket constantly. He was driving inside constantly. He scored his 19 points with attempting a three point shot. Hopefully he will be all right and be ready to play on Thursday with the same mindset.
What was encouraging about Saturday was how we rebounded. As mentioned above DG had a great game hauling in 5 rebounds in 4 mins. JK also had one of his best games of the year with 6 rebounds and 5 points. He was able to shut down Wiley when coming in for ND. As a team we outrebounded the Ducks 43 to 22 (IIRC Ducks outrebounded us in Eugene). Hopefully we can play with that kind of intensity in the rebounding department rest of the season.
Another point re. DC. Is it just me but it seems like the whole team feeds off him when he get fired up and shows emotion? The way he started Saturday's game all jacked up, it didn't just get his team-mates fired up, it seemed like he was firing up the whole Bruin Nation. It feels as if DC, JS, and PAA can sense the end coming near in next few weeks and they are now locked in and trying to give us something extra beyond what they have given us this season.
That takes me back to the point I made at the very beginning. There is no point in woulda-coulda-shoulda at this time of the year. The regular season was fun but we need to put that behind us and lock in on next game. If our Ben Ball warriors lock in and can take care of business one game at a time, things will take care of themselves. That's the beauty of March. We have lived through it last three years here on BN. Why change anything now?
GO BRUINS.
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JH
Regarding JH’s comment on making a decision after March Madness to stay or go, I think it would be in his best interest to stay…..where is he going to go?
by Bruins44 on Mar 9, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think JH is ready ...
Maybe I’m just being selfish but after watching all season, I really don’t think JH is quite ready for the next level. But then again, I always want the kids to stay for at least 2 years. I think K Love would have been even better w/ one more year. IMO JH wasn’t as impressive as KL even though it’s obvious he has tons of talent.
by bellewong411 on Mar 9, 2009 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
i even thought last yr that westbrook would stay a year and that DC would go, I thought RW could improve his shot a little, but i guess i was wrong and he’s still doing his thing in the league. I guess we can never be sure what theyre going to do.
by uclabruin34 on Mar 9, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing against Jrue
But there’s no comparison at all between how JH and KL performed their freshman years.
by buffsnbruins on Mar 9, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year's freshman class was special
There’s no doubt about it. There is no way a class like that would have ever happened before the NBA’s rule. This is what a “normal” class looks like.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year's freshman "class"?
Didnt we only have KL and the 6’8" kid from Fairfax who wound up transferring after the season? We have no sophomores on this team to the best of my knowledge.
by charnaw on Mar 9, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean across the board
How many of those guys do you see that are still in college? There aren’t a whole lot of high profile sophomores across the country for a reason.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, quite a few soph stars
You have my personal top 2 player of the year candidates in Blake Griffin and DeJuan Blair. Also Jeff Teague, James Johnson, Kyle Singler, James Harden, Cole Aldrich, Kalin Lucas, Johnny Flynn, Patty Mills. Last year’s freshman crop was outstanding and deep. I’d say that at least 3 sophs (Griffin, Blair, Harden) and maybe 4 (add Teague) should be 1st team all-americans.
by BruinsRule on Mar 9, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point
I would counter that on the rookie rankings posted below, 5 out of the top 10 would have been Sophomores this year (Rose, Payo, Love, Beasley, Gordon). Plus, the point is that the KLove class was exceptional, and your soph stars only reinforce that point. Look at nbadraft.net (yes I know they do some wild speculation) but the top of this year’s mock draft board is littered with the names you just mentioned.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is JH?
Im looking into my crystal ball and I see . . . wait, its becoming clearer . . . ah yes, JaRon Rush. JH is a great talent, but lets face it, he’s barely holding onto his starting roll these days with Mal Lee improving from game to game. JH’s defense has been good, be he has been lost on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe his style of play doesnt fit into our scheme . . . either way, I really hope he stays . . . for his sake.
by charnaw on Mar 9, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd return that ball
I can agree that at times he doesn’t have an impact on offense. I believe a lot of that has to do with the seniors really stepping up in recent games. Shipp has had 2 straight career highs and Aboya seems to be perpetually in double digits now. DC is DC and can break out at any time.
Should Jrue demand the ball? I don’t know. Maybe it’s not in his nature. He’s supposed to be a point guard but he’s usually in the game with DC, who has the ball handling duties. The problem I have with the Rush comparison is that it implies a selfish undisciplined nature when Jrue has proven to actually be the opposite of that, which I admit can also be frustrating. He’s been nothing if not selfless and deferential, some would say to a fault. I don’t hold Lee closing the gap on him defensively against him. I applaud Malcolm’s improved D. It’s clear that Malcolm has been working hard in practice because those things show up in games. I hope he stays as well, because I believe he has more to show us when he gets the ball in his hands a little more.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is JH playing tentative
because he doesn’t want to get hurt? Because he knows he’s gone anyway? That’s the feeling I get, for sure.
I think JH is a nice kid, but I really don’t know what his deal was this year, just seemed like he was holding back, you don’t just have a flash of greatness here and there. If he is indeed leaving, I will be rather upset because he took away some valuable playing time from JA and ML. He’s made some contributions, of course, but I don’t know if I like that tradeoff vs. getting those guys some experience since they will for sure be back next year.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 9, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JH Deserves More Credit Than He's Getting
Because JH plays within the game and himself, I think we tend to overlook his contributions. Many times I’ve felt that he didn’t show up only to look at the stat’s and realize how well he played. I won’t accept that he is tentative, I think he is playing the way he’s been coached to play on this team. (I’ll leave it to CBH to decide whether he’s putting out; by the minutes he’s played, I think that decision is clear.)
Here are some interesting stat’s on Jrue:
He’s third on the team in rebounds: PAA 185, ND 119, JH 116 — and JH is a guard.
He’s second on the team in assists: DC 155/71(t0’s) JH 110/63
He leads the team in blocked shots: JH 18, ND 16, DG 13(with a lot less floor time than the others)
He is second on the team in steals: DC 50, JH 45, JS 38
He’s fourth in average minutes played, playing .7 min a game less than PAA, and 1.3 min less than JS. DC is off the chart.
My point? He’s done a very good job and plays BenBall.
Yes, he isn’t flashy — except on occasion.
But, I see it differently. He is deferential to the seniors on this team. Were he anything else, he be criticized the way OJ2 was last year.
I really hope he comes back. I think it will be good for us and for him.
But, Nestor convinced me, long ago, that the NBA drafts potential rather than first year accomplishment.
At that point, I decided to simply enjoy every moment with him, because I don’t expect him back. And, the fact that he might leave does not make me like him any less. It makes me dislike the NBA and NCAA for creating this terrible one and done syndrome and allowing it to fester.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Mar 9, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing that may bring him back
Is the temptation to “run the show”. Should he return, I believe he and JA will be splitting PG duties somewhat 50/50 which I think would be a great thing (Farmar and DC running at the same time spearheaded a great lineup). Currently I’d say it goes about 80/20 DC to Jrue, and that’s just not enough if one of your primary skills is helping get others the ball. We’ve seen some great examples of his court vision this year (as well as some “freshman” passes). He may figure he needs a season to tighten up his game as a PG, which is one thing that Russell never got when he was here (again, DC dominates the ball) and he is thus learning on the fly as a PG in the NBA with a lot of turnovers.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points..
Steve,
You make excellent points (as always) and I too hope JH returns. He might do well to ask himself how KL is doing this year. I mean, for as much talent as KL had, he isn’t exactly tearing up the league as a rookie. From his wikipedia entry:
Twenty-five games into his rookie year, Stephen A. Smith deemed Love, a “bust” on his “Bam/Bust” of the top rookies of the 2008 NBA draft. On February 25, 2009, Love had a career high 24 points along with 15 rebounds against the Utah Jazz. He is averaging 9 points and 8 rebounds a game this season in his rookie year with the Timberwolves.
Now, my point is not to disrespect either player. I am just saying that, like ’66 states, one or two more years will definitely benefit JH.
But, then again, it’s always exciting to see who CBH comes up with to fill the slots.
Either way, I wish JH the very best and thank him for his contribution thus far.
God, it's great to be a Bruin!
by WHP '68 on Mar 9, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually wouldn't use KLove in that argument
He’s been averaging a double/double recently, which is a great stat for any player much less a rookie. In fact we’ve had a very recent rookie ranking here on BN spotlighted because RW tops it. KLove appears fifth on the list after Russell, Rose, Payo, and Brook Lopez. That’s not bad company.
The forward-center has put together two impressive, consistent months: After averaging 12.6 points and 10.0 rebounds in January, he produced 12.2 points and 10.0 rebounds in February.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4/5 on that list are from the PAC-10
…thought it worth mentioning.
by bruinbunz on Mar 9, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not doubting his contributions
and I certainly agree with you on his deference and playing BenBall.
My only point is about the tradeoff: will his contribution make up for not being able to develop guys who we know will be staying next year? It’s just a thought, I have no way of quantifying it, but I do know that if he leaves after this year, he’ll hardly be remembered as a Bruin.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 9, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
I remember Trevor Ariza as a Bruin. Maybe it’s because he’s a Laker now, but I followed his progress in New York and Orlando as well. I also watched him play in person so that might have something to do with it. I’ve had a lot of replies in this thread. I’m not trying to boost my post count, I swear.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe
you watch him because he’s turned into a good player…and we don’t mind calling him a Bruin now :)
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 10, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I watch him now because he's a Laker
Obviously with the two east coast teams (that weren’t very good when he was there) I didn’t had a chance to watch him live very often. If Jrue decides to leave, I will follow his career with the same interest as the other early entrants and graduates. You can hardly remember him as whatever you want but I will.
by Tydides on Mar 10, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's got nothing to do with the players
and everything to do with my lack of interest in the NBA!
I hear you Ty, to be fair I watched a few Knicks games when I lived in NY because I wanted to see how Ariza was doing…and not because the Knicks were any good. I’m still amazed that they haven’t fixed that team. You couldn’t ask for a bigger market! I think they should make a move for LeBron…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 11, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, they're going to try
There’s no doubt about that. Isiah Thomas was the worst thing to happen to the Knicks in, well, maybe ever. Nevertheless they do appear positioned to make the “big push” at Lebron that everyone is expecting. But with the Cavs obviously improved I don’t know if they have enough to offer to pry him away anymore. If nothing else, they desperately need someone else other than Nate Robinson to be the face of that franchise.
by Tydides on Mar 11, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tasser, On the Bigger Point, We Agree
I would not have any one-and-dones. None.
I’ve always seen the cost in terms of someone taking a chair in the classroom who really is not using it.
You have added a dimension to my argument. On the court, that person is diminishing the learning experience for someone who has made a longer term commitment to the university.
That applied as much to KL as it does to JH — and I don’t see the point you are making as specific to JH but rather an agreement with me that the one-and-done has costs that need to be addressed.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Mar 9, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think KL's case was different
KL was a game changer, you couldn’t NOT have him on the court, and his contribution was a bit more tangible on both ends of the floor, in my opinion, but it’s not really fair to compare those two players.
I’m not coming down on JH, I hope that is apparent at least. If CBH has him in the starting lineup, that is proof enough for me! I just think if he leaves, it will be a shame because there are freshmen who would have greatly benefited from the playing time. So yes, we agree on the one-and-dones (but I’m a whore, I’ll take the KL kind of one-and-dones any day!).
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 10, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you c/o 66
i can’t believe these attacks on JH. sure he hasn’t been the gamebreaker many expected, but to question his effort is just plain wrong. it’s wild speculation that no one can prove and i would expect a little better from bruin fans when discussing one of their own.
a comparison of JH with jaron rush is wildly irrational and unsubstantiated. i hope i dont offend anyone but i find this very offensive. jaron had nba talent, but he missed practices, classes, and he had a substance abuse problem. what can ou compare with JH? jaron showed a lack of commitment outrightly by disappearing at times, where do you see this with jrue? jrue is a good kid, who has represented our school well. he’s taken some lumps this season but he has carried himself in a very dignified manner. in spite of it all, he has been productive, but i guess not enough for some.
remember he is playing out of position, remember dc runs this offensive by having the ball in his hands ALOT. there’s only so much this kid can do. it’s fair to criticize his play and performance, but to question his effort and commitment is an insult to him, the program and coach howland.
Across The Face
by rb bruin on Mar 9, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some good points there 66 but
I just respectfully disagree with this:
My point? He’s done a very good job and plays BenBall.
I don’t think he has played like “Ben Ball warrior.” JH hasn’t played defense with the tenacity and ferocity of a Ben Ball warrior. He has shined against some really bad teams but he hasn’t played defense consistently.
In fact he has gotten torched … repeatedly. If you don’t believe me, please go back and watch our games against ASU, especially the one in Tempe. It was ML’s defensive intensity that became got us back in the game in the first half.
JH if he sticks around, could turn out to be a great Ben Ball warrior. However, to date he just hasn’t lived up to the hype. He has some real nice numbers. He can fill up the stat sheet which is nice. But to me among freshmen I think it has been DG and ML who have really set the example of a prototype Ben Ball warrior by focusing on defense first. I am excited about those guys coming back. May be if JH decides to come back (instead of loitering for some NBA team which I will never pay attention to or care about) perhaps he will be able to create his own legacy of a Ben Ball warrior.
To date, he hasn’t. He still has few games to perhaps change that perception for me but we will see.
by Nestor on Mar 9, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Disagreements Are, Indeed Respectful. But, they exist.
JH has played some very good D — see what he did with sc, and some not so good D — in a year where there is only 1 starter, PAA, who in my book has played consistent D.
JH is a freshman and few freshmen come in and have a complete game. I love ML, DG and JA — but each of them has a gap in his game.
I think blocks and steals are D stat’s. And, he led the team in one category and was 2nd in the other. Yes, he got beat on the dribble, some times, but who on this team did not?
And, I remember our seniors stumbling on D when they were freshmen.
Where we all agree is that he would be a much better player if he came back for a second year. But, you are the guy who convinced me that he would be a high pick in the draft, and probably go, because of the potential he has.
I also want to chime in with rb bruin — I think his analysis is proper and on point. It’s one thing to complain about defects in his game — so long as we complain about defects in all of our players’ games. It is another to challenge his commitment. There is no basis or place for that.
The guy who’s in charge of assessing commitment and character has done so. He’s made JH a starter. That says it all for me.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Mar 9, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blocks and steals are WAY overrated
As defensive statistics. Blocks are almost meaningless unless you retain possession, and steals as Howland pointed out earlier this season are never worth the risk of getting beat. Both are gravy statistics that hardly convey defensive value one a possession-per-possession basis.
by bluebland on Mar 9, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Partially disagree
Steals as a statistic can be overrated sometimes because they can come to a player in a variety of different ways. The person that made the defensive play doesn’t always end up with the steal. Blocks may actually be underrated though. Blocks as a stat are a function of good positioning and timing and they generally understate one’s defensive presence. For every block that a shotblocker may get in the stat sheet, there are probably 1 or 2 other “altered” shots caused by that defender (which rarely go in). You don’t think guards have this in the back of their mind when they’re driving into the lane against a known shot blocker? You don’t think teams on breakaways don’t look over their back when they know a shotblocking guard is probably chasing them down? Sure a lot of guys like to swat balls into the stands and neglect the better play which is to control the ball after the block, but having shotblockers does help your overall defensive presence whether you regain possession or not.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, but still...
No doubt the presence of a good shot-blocker has an effect on drivers to the lane. But I don’t think blocks necessarily indicate good position. Often they are a case of athleticism making up for being in bad position (think Jelani McCoy). And often their pursuit puts a player out of position. Think how many times Drew Gordon has leapt to block a shot way too late, thus taking him out of rebounding position.
Like most stats, blocks and steals can be attained in differing ways, some smart and some not. I read a great article recently by Michael Lewis about the “new stats” NBA teams are secretly keeping, and it mentioned blocks as one of the most misleading stats in its present form. I’ll try to do a fanpost soon about this piece (it was in the NYT Magazine).
by bluebland on Mar 9, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope one of those stats
Is shots altered. At least in the NBA, those are often better than blocks because the shots usually don’t go in and your team has a better chance of recovering it. As far as stats go, I also like that more sports sites are keeping track of +/-. Over the course of one or even five games it doesn’t tell you much, but some interesting trends often develop over the course of maybe a month of games.
In any case, I look forward to that writeup. I’m a guy that loves stopping by kenpom to see what kinds of trendlines I’m missing about our own team. What can I say, us south campus guys love our numbers.
by Tydides on Mar 9, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope JH
takes a good, hard look at what happened with guys like Blake Griffin and James Harden. Sure, they could have left after last year and would have been mid-to-late first round draft picks and would be seldom used bench players in the NBA right now. Instead, they came back for another year and wound up dominating college basketball and are both likely top 5 picks. It’s too bad the weakness of this year’s draft will probably be too hard to pass up
by turs12 on Mar 9, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We were hoping JH would be the sword, but he's been a Swiss Army Knife...
… and that isn’t bad by any stretch. Has he carved up the competition in big, Lord of the Rings-size broadsword swaths? Um, nope.
But he has clearly filled out the stat sheets in a lot of the little things that count — assists, rebounds, blocks (holy bleep) and steals. You may not be able to kill anything big with a Victorinox Ranger or Huntsman, but whatever you do kill, you can clean it, scrape, measure, pick stuff out of its dead nostrils and buff and file the claws down to a softer edge.
JH’s game has been the Swiss Army knife for us this year. “All the little things” galore.
Yes, we’ve been hard on his defensive rotations in recent weeks, and rightfully so. That being said, he has shown more focus there against the Oregon schools (although now Nikola seems to be slacking off on his rotations. Geez…).
JH still has the body strength and athleticism to overwhelm lower-tiered teams in the first few games of both the Pac-10 and NCAA Tournaments. With a WSU matchup possible this week, I am sure CBH will have drilled into the team’s heads how NOT tog get beat again by hailstorms of 3-pointers. Give CBH a week to rpepare, and watch the bleep out.
But after the first 1 or 2 games of either Tourney, will JH show the focus and commitment we need on D with the same aggression he showed so readily on offense in December and January? I think he will — my thoughts are laced with hope and a little prayer, but I think he’ll come through.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
by Meriones on Mar 9, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what a metaphor!
You nailed it.
As to D, I sometimes think that JH gets blamed for bad D when in fact the culprit is someone else — notably ND — forcing JH to adjust or make a desperate attempt to cover someone else’s open man.
At other times, both JH and DC are vulnerable to very fast guards who get a first step on them. JH is not alone in suffering this problem — although DC has really stepped up, lately.
And, therein, lies the bigger issue. DC can step up because he’s a senior and all of this stuff has been drilled into him for 4 years. JH is still learning.
Whatever his potential — like all of CBH’s students — he will learn far more D here than he will learn in the NBA. And, he needs to learn it to reach his full potential.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Mar 9, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Give CBH a week to prepare, and watch the bleep out."
Ok, I just love that, M.
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on Mar 9, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd Season starts now....lets judge after the next set of games
JH has not lived up to expectations. Maybe it’s his fault. Maybe it is expectations’ fault.
But as Rose showed last year, blossoming at the end of the year is a great way to be remembered as a star.
So let’s all revisit this post after the next set of games (ideally 9 straight wins …).
We have all gotten on individual players this year. JS, DC, JH, PAA, JK and ND have ALL gotten dumped on somewhere during the season. They have all had lapses. But the 3 seniors seem to be getting hot at the right time—maybe JH will now too!
Given the length of the season and the reality that this program measures itself by success in the post-season means that it is especially hard to stay focused for the full season. And, add the “freshman wall” that JH would be experiencing, and it is understandable that he sometimes disappears into the shadows or takes some games off defensively.
Let’s all wait and see how it goes. It is now time to turn it up.
I, for one, hope and expect a level of intensity from JH and the rest of the gang that we have not seen consistently.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Mar 9, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JH, I hope he stays
If you compare the last season of the recent early entry NBA draft picks out of UCLA; JF, AA, RW, KL, and Luc – JH has not had as good a season as any of those players and it’s not even close. Granted, JH is a freshman, but if he could have a very strong season coupled with his athleticism prior to entering the draft, you;d have to think he;d be a top 5 lock.
Thoughts on his play: he does defer to the seniors (which we should not knock him on too much), he does not seem to have great control of the ball (I too often see him losing control of it for some reason or another), his defense is pretty good although a bit sporadic (he may sometimes look like the culprit for defensive lapses when it really was a teammate, like ND, who was at fault and he is trying to help out).
I sure hope that he comes back next season (while working his tail off; e.g 500 jump shots a day in the off season) as the team would be “his” to lead and he could position himself as a top 3 pick.
by shaq on Mar 9, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you expected to score on the NBA?
I have nothing against JH—kid appears to try hard, is well spoken and overall a class act. But isn’t an NBA lottery pick expected to be able to score? JH is a poor shooter and has trouble getting by people when he drives to the basket. He has trouble scoring against the dregs of the Pac-10, which is not exactly the toughest league this year. Any team with a Bill Simmons-esque VP of Common Sense would not draft him in the first round; let alone in the lottery.
by RealisticBruinFan on Mar 9, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
Case in point: Luc Richard Mbah A Moute
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Mar 10, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't buy into the "PAC-10 is down this year" punditry
The talent we lost to the NBA draft last year was made up mostly by returning talent making huge strides. When all is said and done, I predict we’ll have at least three of the final 16, two of the final eight, and one of the final four in the tournament. The pundits will be shocked – yet again – that the “lowly” PAC-10 performed so well. We’ll lose more players to the NBA, we’ll be written off for another year, and so it will go ad infinitum. It’s called east-coast bias, ladies and gentlemen, and it’s not going anywhere anytime soon – at least not without a lot of kicking and screaming.
by snorkeldorf on Mar 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give Holiday Some Love
Wow, I read some of the comments on Holiday and I start to feel bad for the kid. Come on, people should know he is playing out of position. He’s a natural point guard, so his train of thought is geared more towards getting the ball to the guy with the best opportunity to score. He’s not a shooting guard, that is why his shot is so inconsistent. With time, he should have a more consistent stroke from the outside. Since he is not the first option on this team, of course he’ll defer to the seniors. I doubt he’ll make the jump to the nba but wouldn’t be surprised if he’s at the pre draft camp…
Hopefully he comes back next to lead this young core of Bruins…
by RScal on Mar 10, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm inclined to agree about JH being a natural PG.
His momentary bursts of creativity and speed on the break add some credence to that idea. Quite simply, he’s a scoring point guard, and combine that with him being a freshman playing next to a senior All-American PG, and I can see how his offesne tends to fade.
Granted, this is absolutely no reason for him to not play all-out on defense, but I’m thinking that PG really is his best fit. That being said, we NEED his defense in postseason, along with ND’s, and JK’s, and JS’, and DC’s, and PAA’s, and JA’s, and ML’s, AND DG’s… or we’re toast.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
by Meriones on Mar 11, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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