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More Fall Out From The Latest Mayo/Bush Trojan Bombshell

We will eventually move on from the latest blockbuster story involving the scandal tainted program across town. I have a feeling this story will die down in next day or two and then everyone will pretend as if nothing is wrong and we will get back to reading puff pieces in the LA Times about the expectations around Trojan football/basketball programs. No one is going to care about the cloud gathering over Figuroa.

Still before we move on wanted to pass on some more nuggets on the Timmeh/OJ handoff saga. Michael Lev from the OC Register interviewed Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports - one of the two reporters who broke the story - and came up with more interesting details.  Of course the Trojans are out there attacking the credibility of Louis Johnson. Robinson had this thought in response:

Question: How credible are the accusations against Tim Floyd?

Robinson: I think Louis Johnson is very credible, (especially) in terms of all the people we interviewed over the course of the Bush thing. It’s one thing if a source brings this to just a journalist. It’s another thing when he has sat with people from the FBI, the Attorney General’s office, the IRS, knowing the agreement when he went in that if he lies he’s facing prosecution. We’re talking about a felony situation if he lied to the FBI. He also was not somebody who just brought it to the media but was willing to sit in front of all comers and take questions. It wasn’t like he just sat down and said, ‘This is what happened.’

He also has a treasure trove of receipts and financial documents to back up what he has said about Rodney Guillory. When you pair that with what he did in the first round (of interviews) when he spoke to ESPN … that, in total, makes him an extremely credible source.

And re. the charges of Johnson is getting the word out on this to promote his book:

Q: But isn’t Johnson writing a book about this? Couldn’t he just be seeking publicity?

Robinson: I believe he is writing a book. But when we spoke to him, there was never any quid pro quo that I’ll tell you this if you mention my book. He understood 100 percent that this wasn’t going to be any kind of PR deal for his book. I tend to believe the overriding factor of (possible) prosecution from the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s office stands as a far more credible point in his favor than this being a guy who’s out there trying to make money.

Meanwhile, in case folks were forgetting why the feds are involved in this investigation:

Q: Why is the federal government involved in this case?

Robinson: From what we have been told, a few reasons: (1) If you go back and look at the ESPN report, Guillory’s involvement with a guy named Tony Hicks who had set up a fraudulent sickle cell foundation and had a credit card taken out in Guillory’s name. That card (allegedly) was used to pay for thousands of dollars in clothing and other things for O.J. Mayo. So you’re dealing with straight-up fraud. That drew the interest of the federal authorities. (2) The amount of money Johnson alleged was going back and forth between BDA Sports and Rodney Guillory, and between O.J. Mayo and Rodney Guillory. (3) Several years ago, if you look at Myron Piggie and the Rush brothers, there were inducements, illegal benefits, all this stuff. The feds prosecuted Piggie for essentially defrauding universities. If you go back and look at the history of it, every few years they will prosecute a prospective agent to create a chilling effect.

How this investigation will ultimately end up depends on the kind of documentation NCAA is gathering from all their witness. I thought the following detail regarding one of the 17 individuals Yahoo! listed as people who NCAA has talked to was poignant:

Bob DeMartino: A memorabilia dealer and former business associate of one-time Bush marketing agent Mike Ornstein. DeMartino provided an eyewitness account of a cash payment from Ornstein to Bush’s family prior to the 2005 Heisman Trophy ceremony. DeMartino also provided an account of emails he sent to the USC athletic department warning them of Bush’s involvement with Ornstein, as well as copies of emails from Ornstein soliciting marketing deals for Bush during the running back’s junior season with USC.

I wonder if those emails were one way or two way correspondence involving the Trojan athletic department. Details like those just might be key to connecting to the mountain of circumstantial evidence that has been piling up for last few years.

Speaking, of a situation that is really telling here is what Johnson's attorney Anthony Salerno pointed out to AP:

Salerno said he wonders why Floyd has not disputed Johnson's account if it's false.

"Tim Floyd easily could have said, 'That's baloney, it's slanderous and not true, I never did that,"' Salerno said. "In my opinion, it's kind of damning, his being silent. It's not like this is a criminal case for him. It's not like this is a subtle allegation. It's black and white.

"Why doesn't he just come out and deny it?" Salerno said.

The ball is on your court Tim.

GO BRUINS.

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No, I’m not talking about Manny Ramirez.

I think this story has some legs. More and more information is coming out and we haven’t even seen the actual documents yet. Mayo has apparently already spoken to the Feds and now there are allegations that Mayo’s brother may have also received improper benefits:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4165378

Incidentally, no word from Floyd and not one single word about any of this in today’s Trojan Times. As we know, the LAT wrote a short piece on this news yesterday (after getting scooped again by Yahoo!) and today…nada.

Interesting.

by Barnes2JJ on May 14, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we get copies of the documents

the government has in it’s possession through Freedom of Information Act petition? If not during the investigation, perhaps afterward? That would make some interesting reading material.

Time to dust off my copy of Tarnished Heisman for another quick read through. The DeMartino mention sounds like they went to him twice! Is that smart?

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on May 14, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Documents

I have a recollection (caveat: the recollection of a geezer) of having seen some documents in connection with some of the earlier reports. Perhaps one of our younger, more computer-literate compatriots can find them with what would probably be minimal effort.

And speaking of docs, I think the killer docs will be phone records. If a phone call or a series of phone calls were made, then there will be records of the fact of the call and the location of the cell which bounced the call. (I don’t know how this works, but it’s a useful tool in finding out where people were when they say they were somewhere else. (Unless of course both Guillory and Floyd were using throw-away or hot cell phones.)

So Timmeh – your absolutely gilt-edged defense is only a phone record away. Authorize the phone company to release your records for that day. And the same for you, Mr. Guillory. Let’s see what the phone records say. Maybe it will be complete vindication for Timmeh. (Gotta run – the herd of pigs is flying over my house.)

by Fox 71 on May 14, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The silence of the LA Times

speaks more about them than I even thought. I mean, come on. This is one of the biggest stories in the country. It is one of the hottest topics on sports radio and news shows across the county. Yet, our local paper who is supposed to be on top of this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on the story the next day? Are you kidding. I woke up to read the paper today figuring that TJ Simers, or Plashke, or somebody would have some sort of comment or opinion. However, their was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! The CRAPPY TIMES should be embarrassed of themselves and their journalistic integrity has been severely damaged (not like it wasn’t already) by their obvious bias towards not reporting the facts on this story. Maybe if they stuck to doing their jobs, instead of supporting guys like Carmen Trutanich (famous guys who represents all of USC’s rulebreakers), they would not have had to file bankruptcy. Unreal!

by muircoach on May 14, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Contrast and Compare

A year after winning a NC, Jim Harrick lies on an expense report and is immediately canned.

Timmeh is personally paying for mercenaries and the Troilettes circle the wagons and go into denial mode.

Just pathetic; don’t their alums ever get embarrassed by all this crap?

by bru79 on May 14, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to compare Harrick and SC

Remember, Harrick had a boss at UCLA who never was comfortable with him as an employee, and used the expense report issue as a way of getting rid of him. At SC, at least, they all seem comfortable with each other and each other’s “habits”. Big difference…
Bill

BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on May 14, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I don’t think Harrick was fired for what he did. He was fired for who he was.

I think it was unfair at the time.

And, of course, the AD who didn’t like Harrick gave us the lizard — and we all know what happened then.

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 14, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charles Robinson gets a chance to respond

to trOJan fans’ hilarious slander against himself and Louis Johnson:

http://usc.freedomblogging.com/2009/05/13/yahoo-sports-reporter-responds-to-criticism-of-floyd-mayo-story/14521/

Honestly, I feel for USC fans. It can’t be easy watching your favorite team or school go through something like this. But I think those same people have to be realistic. This isn’t coming from nowhere. It’s not realistic to just assume that everyone out there is lying and trying to get the Trojans. If that were true, the NCAA wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars on an investigation that could ultimately reach into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

by Tydides on May 14, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When do we talk about

how great this story is for our recruiting efforts?

by captainqtp on May 14, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

Even if they eventually only get a slap on the wrist, it’s still damaging to their recruiting. As it looks like this could drag on for another year or so, there will be too much uncertainty for a kid to choose USC. I’d say they are probably feeling it big time when they talk to kids and parents right now. I just wish these latest allegations could have come to light in like January, a few weeks before National Signing day.

Easy money and faithless women, red-eye whiskey for the pain...

by rich87 on May 14, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"When they talk to kids and parents"

…they’ll have a job offer for the parents, so it won’t matter if the NCAA restricts scholarships.

by bru79 on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before Jan

would have been great, but this is going to help regardless, maybe not for the kids who’ve had their hearts set on USC since they were kids, but it will probably impact everyone else. Over at the Washington State blog, they are saying that the impending USC collapse will benefit Oregon the most, since they are the “premier” program after USC, but I tend to think it will be UCLA yielding the benefits since we are the local program and we have such a great coaching staff and the perception as an up and coming program.

by captainqtp on May 15, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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