U$C*: "[T]he Most Scandalous Athletic Program of This Era"

by Nestor on May 14, 2009 7:58 PM PDT in Football Comment 20 comments

That quote above is not from fanpost, fanshot, comment section on Bruins Nation.

It's right there on CBS Sportsline.com courtest of Greg Doyle. In Doyle's words (HT NorCalBruin08):

[T]here has never been a dirtier combination of college football and college basketball programs, at the same time, than the Southern California Trojans.

What era of USC football and basketball?

This era.

Doyle's piece is devastating which includes the following amusing (on point) observation re. a fanbase conditioned to live in predictable denial thanks to the relentless, persisent and tenacious excuse and spin coming out of the Trojan PR machine:

A large and vocal segment of the USC fan base will refuse to believe the latest charge against Floyd, and attack everyone who does believe it, because that's what fans do. They believe the worst in other programs, but they believe the best in their own. And that's fine. Do your thing, USC fans. But you won't mind if we laugh at you for it, right?

And boy Greg LHAO and then some more. He doesn't pull his punches and coldly calls out what many of us have been watching and observaing for years while sharing the same town with Pete Carroll & Tim Floyd:

Add it up, and you have a brutal accusation against the USC basketball coach and damning accusations against the biggest USC football star in years. The NCAA's response, after opening separate investigations into both programs, has been to roll them into a single, program-wide look at USC athletics. The NCAA is looking for the dreaded "lack of institutional control," and the NCAA is going to find it.

This is cartoon stuff, the massive, two-sport improprieties being investigated at USC. This is Todd Bozeman meets Bobby Bowden. This is one coach being accused of outright cheating, and another coach being accused of not knowing, or wanting to know, the cheating happening with his players.

This is the most scandalous athletic program of this era. And that's saying something. So the question to ask right now is not this one: Who should be fired at USC?

The question is this:

Who shouldn't?

What else can we add to that?

Well for starters from now on whenever we discuss that program on BN, perhaps we should be add an asterisk along with the $ sign . It gets the point accross whenever we are discussing certain characters in baseball. I think it will do the same if we do it consistently whenever we are discussing the "programs" run by Tim Floyd and Carroll.

It doesn't really matter how the NCAA investigations end up (even though at least the reported evidence is piling up) all the Trojan records from last decade will forever be associated with an asterisk (except for the people who will live in a world of denial thanks to relentless Trojan PR machine). Judging by what we are seeing from Doyle and others across the nation it won't be just us slapping that asterisk at the end of U$C.*

GO BRUINS.

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Finally,

someone says it straight out.

I’ve become a Greg Doyle fan.

by Bruinut on May 14, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Me too!

I wrote him to tell him what I thought of that piece. Hit the nail on the head!

GO BRUINS!!!

by uclafan11 on May 14, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sucsters

like to point out that it was “only” $1000 involved. As if that means that it was no big deal. Even the media is making a joke about the amount of money involved. I’m sure that if they looked hard enough, there is A LOT more money that exchanged hands.

Cheatey should be under the gun as well. It is quite miraculous to me how everybody is fawning over this piece of s**t of a human being. In my book, he is the worst kind out there. Acting as if he is 100% innocent when HE was the one allowing felons and agents to be part of the program on the practice field and on the sidelines. Sure buddy….the guy that power trips because Norm got too much credit, the guy that had a poodle make false accusations against CRN, the guy that crucified his sexually mischievous star QB…..selectively did not have a clue about what was going on in his program? LOL!

Cheat On for Ol’suc, Cheat On to Victory!

by BlueReign on May 14, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Gregg Doyel

I’m not sure how to say this without sounding like I’m defending USC (I’m not),

but Gregg Doyel is terrible. He’s a poor man’s Jay Mariotti, and that’s saying something.

by sdvc on May 15, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

Uh huh. You registered today to share that pearl of wisdom. Keep attacking the messenger. The funny thing about these articles are that they are not coming from UCLA fans. So I guess you (Trojan fans) can’t dismiss this as yappin from bRuin fans. Keep attacking the messenger because it’s amusing and all so predictable.

by Nestor on May 15, 2009 4:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

To listen to these trOJan idiots

Everyone in the world is bad except for the poor unfairly persecuted Timmeh and Cheatey Petey. Now I wonder what’s more likely – that everyone in the world is out to get SUC and it’s all a massive conspiracy OR the ridiculous assertion that these two assclown coaches don’t walk on water?

by Tydides on May 15, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, sdvc, we understand Doyel is a horrible person.

Accepting that he’s a bad person and a bad writer and has some relationship with someone named Mariotti, you seem to be missing the point. What FACTUALLY is incorrect about his article? Where are the FACTUAL errors?

You shouldn’t leave your videocamera on when you make these kinds of posts. Thanks to Sideout11, we can share it with the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=related

by Fox 71 on May 15, 2009 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am thoroughly impressed, Fox!

You are becoming an expert blogger!

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on May 15, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL 71!!!

by uclafan11 on May 15, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fox...zinged someone else with a youtube link?

Not to mention a pretty epic putdown. I am impressed.

by Tydides on May 15, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fox 71 on the prowl

Excellent Fox71. What an example of technology genius!!!

BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on May 15, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Let me defend myself then...

http://deadspin.com/5069803/gregg-doyel-is-a-rather-disagreeable-little-fellow

I went to UCLA and graduated 2007. All I was trying to say is that Gregg Doyel is known for sensationalism rather than integrity (think TJ Simers if Mariotti doesn’t ring a bell). I’m just trying to lend some neutral perspective here, and I guess I will understand if I’m banned because that might be a little bit silly on a Bruin blog :)

by sdvc on May 15, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

So what is wrong with the assertions on Doyle's piece

Do you want to point them out? Was Doyle off base? If so how so? Explain.

by Nestor on May 15, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The great William Makepeace Thackeray was known for sensationalism. (Remember Horatius at the Bridge?)

Shakespeare did a bit of sensationalizing. That’s not a sin.

You seems to think that we’re just killing the messenger, and that’s not so. (Especially not so if the messenger is a Bruin.) We’re asking the messenger to add some substance to the message. One sin committed by young lawyers (and as a 2007 grad, you have to be considered young by someone who had already retired as you were sweating your last set of finals) is the omission of the most important word in an argument. You, like many before you (including me) left out the word “because.” Gregg Doyel is known for sensationalism BECAUSE…. He is not known for integrity BECAUSE…. That, to me, was the critical omission from your post.

If you don’t have any facts to back up your statement, that’s OK too. Just phrase things as being your opinion. At least that’s my opinion.

There is nothing wrong with a neutral perspective, in my opinion. We’re all excited by another salvo launched at the citadel of arrogance on Figueroa. I think the sub silentio part of your message – the cooling of our collective jets – is a wise one. I say this BECAUSE we all saw the great expose regarding bu$h and the first great expose on OJ2, and we were all so sure that the ncaa would do something. The folks over at justsc are still laughing at us, secure in the knowledge that the most impotent organization in the history of mankind is supposed to be handling the investigation. Sdvc’s neutral perspective is probably a wise one for us all to adopt. Maybe neutral is a bad choice of words – maybe the concept should be to go forward on impluse power rather than at warp factor 9.

by Fox 71 on May 15, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doyel is the internet version of Bill Plaschke

if anyone epitomized jerk, it is Doyel and Plaschke. they both bend like the wind. a team loses a game → “this is the worst team ever. i saw it coming. full of weaknesses.” the team wins the next game → “the team woke up and showed its full potential and ability to dominate.” both of them exaggerate ever little detail just to be controversial. they’re all in the same category as a Limbaugh or a Nancy Grace. Just push all the buttons to piss off a bunch of people. none of them are true analysts or journalists. just a bunch of mouthy opinionists. $C deserves whatever punishment should be coming to them, but the ultimate punishment is to have to read a stupid Doyel or Plaschke column.

by onlysublime on May 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Keep trolling Trojans

And I am sure you went to UCLA too. As I asked the first time commenter who registered on BN to specifically object about this what is wrong with the assertions on Doyle’s piece? Can you point them out? Was Doyle off base? If so how so? Explain.

by Nestor on May 15, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously

Are any of you actually going to try and disprove the message rather than just sling unsupported accusations at the messengers? It’s like every trOJan apologist thinks that if they show how bad the messengers are that the allegations won’t be true. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. And while we’re at it, what makes you so great and credible that we should trust your word over Doyel and by extension Robinson, Johnson, and the guys that actually provided the information that Doyel is basing his opinions on? What’s that? I can’t hear you over the deafening silence.

by Tydides on May 15, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No explanation yet

Sticking to Garrett/Floyd/Carroll/LA Times routine: deafening silence.

by Nestor on May 16, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I'm foolishly naive

I assumed both svdc and sublime whatever were actually Bruins. Then I looked and saw that both had joined the BN today, so their Bruin-ness is more than a little suspect. I actually do feel sorry for trOJies. They want so much to be taken seriously. They are at a second rate school, getting a second rate education, and absorbing second rate values, and mask it all with a facade of arrogance and elitism. I really don’t blame them for hanging out here. Who in their right mind wouldn’t.

I know it’s hard to resist making fun of them, but we should resist as much as we can. We have a great opportunity for evangelism being presented to us. If we continually present people (even trOJies) with logic and reason, it’s bound to penetrate the wall of denial. Maybe they can be turned from the dark side.

by Fox 71 on May 15, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Incomplete article

You need to send him usc’s laundry list of crimes in order to fully divulge to the entire public how damning the lack of institutional control is over there. I guess Petey won’t be taking off his shirt and getting recruits to sing their fight song any time soon.

by UCLA4Life on May 16, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs