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A Warning To UCLA Athletics & Neuheisel/Howland: Be Careful

Bumped. Originally posted on May 15, 2009 (little more than a year ago). This is even more relevant today. The Trogans are going to be out in full force looking for the most minute violations and then blow it up through their lapdogs in the Trogan Times and ESPN. We have to be more alert than ever. GO BRUINS. -N

So this week has been pretty amusing to say the least. While the blockbuster nature of the Tim Floyd/OJ May story was a little stunning when we first read it, it sort of settled in. At least for the people here it didn't seem all that shocking and some what par for the course as far as allegations and scandal stories, given what we have seen and read over the years out of U$C*. The reactions among Trojan fans all across the internet has been fairly predictable. (See a typical sampling compiled here). They are in their defensive stance sheltered within their bubble of denial and delusion. 

There are also the hilarious opinions about somehow U$C* getting penalized (and treated like any other program who would have the same laundry list of scandals) would be a bad thing for Pac-10 programs. As if the conference was hurting when U$C* was floundering around under Smith, Robinson and Hackett. Anyway, I don't really care much about those ramifications because frankly I don't think it matters. This conference has enough solid programs that it will do just fine no matter whoever is leading it as long as it is being marketed and promoted by competent officials in the Pac-10 administration (which has been a problem under the worthless leadership of Tom Hansen).

What I wanted to do is talk a little bit about what these stories mean for us. I am not from the school of thought that we can get all giddy about our recruiting prospects based on what is happening at U$C*. I don't think it really matters now given the kind of coaching staff we have under the leadership of Rick Neuheisel. Think about it. CRN after coming on board held together a top notch recruiting class (despite widespread concern trolling in the local media about how UCLA had to immediately anoint Dewayne Walker as the head coach because the class would fall apart) and then this year put together a top-10 recruiting class, despite coming off a 4-8 season. If we continue our gradual improvement this season and take steps to dig out of the deep hole left by the previous coach, the recruits will come under CRN. I am not worried about his ability to evangelize about all things Bruin and attract the local kids from the greater Los Angeles community.

However, if I were Neuheisel (along with Howland and rest of the athleic administration staff in Morgan Center), I put up my guards now and get on higher alert given what is taking place across town. More after the jump.

Star-divide

We don't know whether or when the NCAA will sanction U$C*.  Till this week I honestly thought it was never going to happen. For the first time though we are seeing signs that the NCAA might actually be on to something and they might have not been sitting on their rear ends. If the NCAA does come down on U$C with more than just a slap on the wrist impacting their holy tainted football program, then you can pretty much expect the MOTHER OF ALL MELTDOWNS from Trojan fans all across the internets within that delusional bubble of denial.

It should be obvious by now the Trojans think their football program (no matter how it was built by the current coaching staff) is the God's Gift to America and the Greatest program of all time. That sense of grandeur has been routinely elevated to unimaginable heights over the years from absurd and surreal hyping by all the clowns on ESPN. You can look through the archives here and also on Burnt Orange Nation to read about the UnGodly hype bestowed upon the Trojan football program (at the expense of disrespecting Vince Young and the Long Horns) leading up that famous Rose Bowl. 

I don't have to talk much about the kind of pimping Musberger and Herbstreet do of Pete Carroll (Boy! Look at him having so much fun!! Look at hime jumping on the sidelines!!!!) on every national telecast. All these characters on ESPN have always promoted an image of U$C* of being the Lakers of college football without ever bothering to cover what has been really happening for years. These guys always gave an incomplete picture creating the facade of a perfect program elevating the sense of delusion and denial the Trojan fans find themselves in today.

We already know about their predictable excuses. We have written about the "everybody does it" excuse here on BN. Menelaus tore that excuse apart few years ago, which you can look through the archives. 

So, here is the thing if sanctions do occur (and they turn out to be a little more than a slap on the wrist), expect a complete and total meltdown. And what you can also expect is a fanbase that will be out for blood looking to exact revenge by unleashing all out attacks on UCLA.  We already have seen hints of it. We have already seen the predictable attacks from Petey's Poodle during the recruiting season, drudging up CRN's history in Seattle.

If I were CRN and other UCLA coaches and officials right now, I'd be on extra alert.  The Trojans are going to be in an all out hunt to look for any missteps from UCLA coaches and players.  We saw this happen in 2001.  UCLA was in the hunt for big season (we were the program to beat at that time coming off 20 win streak seasons and great recruiting classes) when a Trojan fan leaked the DeShaun Foster/SUV story to the local press. Unlike U$C* UCLA didn't get the benefit of the doubt from the Trojan Times and rest of the Southern California's traditional media (neutered by the Trojan hype machine). We got blown up in the press, the community and nationally.  Our alumni and fanbase unlike theirs demanded accountability and almost immediately soured on Toledo. We never recovered.

So, Neheisel, Howland and other UCLA coaches more than ever needs to be extra careful. They need to get the message across to all of their players about how they need to be mindful about representing UCLA and rest of the community the right way. They also more than ever needs to work with the compliance officials in Morgan Center (which IMO is one of the best in the nation) to make sure they are taking care off all the right details while managing the program.

We know Neuehisel and Howland are  not wall flowers. That is all right. Nothing wrong with having fun while working hard and doing things the right way. The key is they need to make sure they are always doing it the right way, the UCLA way.  I have confidence that they will do just that but they still need to be careful and prepared as we can fully expect in the coming months/years we will be confronting an angry, delusional Trojan fanbase unleashing an all out assault looking for Bruin blood.

GO BRUINS.

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Spot On N

IF…..something substantive happens to suc, they’ll definitely try to drag us down with them.

by BlueReign on May 15, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

GREAT POST!

USC is going down, and they will try their best to bring us down with them however which way they can.

by ishXdavid on May 15, 2009 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm a little puzzled...

Yes, we had a great recruiting class, but how could we not benefit from this? It seems like a given. As good as our class was, only one of the websites reviewing the recruiting classes put us higher than USC, and that was for the first time in how many years? Instead of a top 10 recruiting class, maybe we sneak into the top 5?

For example, maybe we get Barkley instead of Brehaut last season. Now, Brehaut is a great kid, and I’d love to see him throwing for us some day, but Barkley was probably the top QB in the nation in the last recruiting class.

Look, Neuheisel and co. have done a great job recruiting, but I’ll take any help I can get, and if more 4 and 5 start USC recruits start bleeding into our program, I think that’s great.

Of course we should be cautious, but let’s not look a gift horse in the mouth.

by captainqtp on May 15, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Star ratings

are not the final, or even most important, factor in how players perform, I think. Now, you may be right that Barkley is a once-in-a-lifetime special player. Where the what-he-did-in-high-school ratings fall short, though, is in what happens after the player leaves HS.

With coaches Neuheisel, Chow, Walker, Palcic, Bullogh, et al on staff, I’ll take a lower-rated (but still very good) HS athlete who wants to be at UCLA, is smart enough to be at UCLA, and wants to learn how to get better, any day.

by Bruinut on May 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course stars aren't everything

but let’s not pretend that we get every player that we target either, and that many of those we want aren’t on the USC roster.

Nestor our recruiting would have been fine even if this scandal hadn’t popped up. I do think the scandal will have a significant impact though. I think it means we could start getting more Taylor Mays level athletes sooner then we could have imagined before this.

by captainqtp on May 15, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

stars

only are an indicator of how a coach recruits over a longer period of time.

A bruin is good forever, a Trojan is only good... ahh eff it, just use tin foil

by MaltBaa on Jun 10, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I said was

Our recruiting will be fine either way. Sure the scandal stories further staining U$C will probably help us the most. However, given who we have as our head coach I think our recruiting would be fine either way. I am not really all that concerned about that angle. I think given UCLA’s appeal and natural advantages for where it is situated, it’s not that much of a concern at least for me.

by Nestor on May 15, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rankings are very subjective

Plus a lot of the suc guys could not get into UCLA anyways. See the fanpost about CRN in NY. Rankings are great for fans but too many things factor into whether a kid is successful or not.

Barkley may be the greatest thing since sliced bread or he can be a disappointment/bust like Powlus/Perriloux/Rix/etc.

Too many 5 stars is not a good thing either. Chemistry issues. Get kids that can handle UCLA and that fit whatever our coaches want to do and we’ll be more than fine.

by BlueReign on May 15, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

One possible penalty for USC

They might not be allowed to play games on TV (or at least I had heard that might be the case). That would result in less exposure for the Pac-10 as a whole, and UCLA would lose one televised game each year.

by SuperBruinMan on May 16, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

In Fairness, a word about 2001 . . .

. . . the “souring” of the note on Doughboy Toledo was the disparity between the instantaneous suspension of Foster for borrowing a car, juxtaposed with the wrist-slap nothing that happend to Cory Paus for covering up 2 DWI offenses – the public knowledge of which broke at or near the start of $C week. NOTHING happened to Paus, he was allowed to start against $C (had another in what was a series of mediocre games against them), the trOJans notched the big home shutout, and the rest, they say, is history. The back up (Scott McEwen?) was no stiff – actually moved the ball a bit when he finally got in the game in the 4th qtr (Paus was little more than the opening act for the punt team up until that time) and should have been given his “Barnes” moment against a not-quite-so-vaunted bunch of trOJans. Beating the trojans would have left that year’s team at 8-3, would have closed on a high note, and maybe pom pom’s coronation gets delayed a bit . . . Always felt like this was a 2-tiered discipline structure, and wondered whether some of the team was at least distracted by the same thought. Anyhow, that’s when this geezer soured on Bob the Doughboy. Just wanted to toss in two cents worth.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on May 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually that was the turning point for me on Toledo as well

I was very upset just like you for the reason you described above. The difference with us v. Trojan fanbase now is that we weren’t afraid to call out Toledo despite the fact that he had been very successful at UCLA (two New Year’s Day Bowl games, 20 game winning streak, blockbuster recruiting classes) at that point.

We knew what Toledo was doing was not right. And lot of UCLA fans were calling him out on it unlike the total denial mode we see on the other side at this point re. the unprecedented scandals at U$C. What I think is true LAT was on overdrive mode covering the story unlike the silent treatment it is affording the Trojans.

by Nestor on May 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we make

The asterisk on U$C* permanent?

by Bruins102NCAA on May 15, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions  

One change please

justsc does not deserve any capital letters. I vote for u$c* if we can’t go with justsc* or just$c*.

by Fox 71 on May 15, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or

u$¢*

Actually, I hesitate to include a “u”, since it seems to imply a connection between the athletics enterprise and the university, when all evidence shows there to be only the minimum required to compete against other universities.

by bru79 on May 18, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

Note that just about everyone, including Trojans, calls the school “SC” (leaving off the “U” for university).

No one calls UCLA, “CLA.” The “U” is an integral part of the school’s name.

Not so at “SC.”

by Barnes2JJ on May 18, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pooh Richardson Story

assuming most have seen this. Guessing sucsters will throw this back at us. I see the Trojan times reported the news.

I too was among many bruins who were fed up with Toledo and upset with what was occuring inside the program. I spoke with a player during Toledo’s last season who suggested the discipline structure was falling apart. The Foster and Handicapped parking issues have always bothered me. Everyday I encounter those from ther other side who are endlessly in denial or completely unaffected. Cheating and corruption are the norm in south central.

by Bruins095 on May 15, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Pooh Richardson

If he’s involved in criminal activity, then shame on him and let the chips fall. It has nothing to do with his time at UCLA.

by Barnes2JJ on May 15, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just amusing

what they throw back at us considering the litany of offenses and endless blotter at fig tech. I keep wondering if combining investigations provides some hope. I’m really not sure what to make of it given how toothless the ncaa is and unwilling to take action against $c. I keep dreaming about the dreaded LOIC being handed down, but remind myself it’s justsc.

Regardless of what happens, I’m excited to see how Carnell Lake can help bring in top LA recruits. I read somewhere that UCLA has one commitment from the 2010 class. Is this still the case?

by Bruins095 on May 15, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Luckily

Both CRN and CBH are intellligent and aware enough to be hyper-vigilant and have zero tolerance.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Jun 10, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

And at the same time, we have to remember what Coach always taught.

Responsibility.

Integrity.

Honesty.

Let the other “school” across town rationalize cheating by saying “everybody does it.”

Let’s do things the RIGHT way, the first time.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jun 10, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll go one step further.

In 2001 UCLA was a top 10 team and pursuing a National Championship. DeShaun Foster was the front runner for the Heisman Trophy. Then SUVgate hit the news channels and our team pretty much imploded from there.

BUT! in a barely covered story, BSPN reported that the young lady who introduced Foster to the movie director that provided the SUV had USC ties. I swear nobody else caught it. I asked some SUCsters i knew through work and they did not deny it. One even went so far as to say, “yeah, but it was his fault for taking car.”

IMO, they actively pursued Foster, put a car in his hands just so they could turn him in later. They’ll do the same again.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jun 10, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Foster story

Was snitched by a Trojan as well.

by Nestor on Jun 10, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

This Is Among The Many Reasons Why I HATE USC

Cannot WAIT for those scumbags to come up to the Twin Cities when they take on the Goofy Gophs. You can bet I’ll be clad in true blue and gold; heckling any Trogan that comes near me.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jun 10, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

?

Why would Kiffen be so angry? He was there, as I understand it, when this was all happening. He was probably one of the instigators along with Ogre. He is a reincarnation of Cheaty Petey. To bad the sanctions weren’t worse! GO BRUINS! And, I agree, UCLA coaches – do things right. The scumbags are watching.

by Forever a Bruin on Jun 10, 2010 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Media matters

I have always been mystified about why intelligent highly productive sc grads are in a state of almost psychotic denial. It isn’t because they are all (or most of them) are brain dead. Nestor’s point about how lazy and/or inept reporters such as those at the Times or Musberger warrants a lot of thought.

There has been a whole heap of angry justifiable analysis on this site about the failure of journalists to do their jobs. And there have been some musings about what is wrong with sc fans who inexplicably will not face up to their support of the most corrupt athletic program in American history. Today, in my mind, Nestor connected the dots as to some of the sc fan base.

Nestor points out journalists in general have not bothered "to cover what has been really happening for years. These guys always gave an incomplete picture creating the facade of a perfect program elevating the sense of delusion and denial the Trojan fans find themselves in today." (Yes, he capitalized the name of the sc mascot.)

I am not one of these who blame the media for whatever happens that I don’t like. If sports "journalists" do not want to cover a corrupt college athletic program, that is their right.

But Nestor is right—the consequence of failing to tell the whole truth is that even smart people, yes even those from sc, do not know or act upon the truth. Over the years, they have heard of sleaze and rumors of sleaze but it went to their intellectual and moral backburners and they gave it inadequate weight. Coupled with all of our natural inclinations to deny or overlook that we do not like, even ethical sc graduates have looked the other way. They must accept full responsibility for their inability to get it right. But, this is why dreadful journalism is a hazard to our corporate well being. It allows thieves to cheat and steal in the midst of the night. And a bypoduct is honorable people fail to stand up and demand rectitude.

I am firmly convinced that the failure of alleged "leaders" at sc to stop it and its alumni base to rise up and make it change is in material part the failure of the Times and other major media outlets to do their job.

All of the foregoing is subject to two caveats. First, the failed southern cal administration including its departing and incoming presidents and the rabid Kool-Aid drinking troglodytes who think that "fight on" song is music will never be and have never been affected by the truth. Second, none of this matters if 177 days from now we lose in the Rose Bowl.

Go Bruins!

by peggysue69 on Jun 10, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

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