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Spaulding Roundup: Early Thoughts On Expectations For 2009 Season

So apparently there was an eathquake in LA last night. It was around 4.7. At least from the reports sound like it was a standard So Cal rattler. Nevertheless hope everyone is doing all right if you were impacted by it. We will start the Monday with few clips regarding the expectations around our football team which will brace for another shaky season (but a better one than the first one) this past season. Since the end of spring practice few Pac-10 observers have offered up their capsule thoughts wrt to expectations for next season. They range from UCLA being a surprise team to one facing another rebuilding year (because of the kind of state it was left under the previous regime).

We will start with the hopeful vibe coming from John Wilner (former UCLA beat writer for the Daily News) of the San Jose Mercury News. Wilner recently came out with his Pac-10 projections for 2009 in which he listed UCLA as his "sleeper pick" and the 4th best team in the conference:

4. UCLA
My sleeper pick … I figure at least one team will finish higher than expected and at least one will finish lower than expected — happens every year. Three reasons I picked the Bruins for the upside surprise 1) they have a very good defense with all-leaguers in every unit 2) the second year with Norm Chow’s playbook, and 3) an improved offensive line. Bottom line: Four or five teams could finish fourth. Or there could be a four-team tie at, say, 4-5. The Bruins are in that cluster.

Ted Miller of WWL also thinks UCLA could be the "surprise" team of the Pac. However, he is being lot more realistic listing UCLA as the 7th best team in the conference (at least at this snap shot of time):

7. UCLA: UCLA could be the surprise team in the Pac-10 this year. There are a lot of reasons to like the Bruins, particularly on defense. But the offense is, charitably, a work in progress. Quarterback Kevin Prince played poorly in three scrimmages, and the problems on the offensive line went unsolved.

Ultimately it will be the play of our OL and Kevin Prince that will decide where we finish next season. Plus there is the issue of depth given the mediocre recruiting of previous coaching staff that left this program in a pretty big hole. Given those factors Adam Maya from the OC Register is realistically calling the talks of an 8 win season a little delusional:

Prince is certainly an upgrade, maybe even a big one.

On the line, the Bruins are three-fifths of the way toward having a legitimate starting lineup. Center Kai Maiava, tackle Sean Sheller, and Jeff Baca, who can play all three positions, are good enough to start at other schools.

The Bruins’ problem is they don’t have two other players good enough to start at their school. True freshmen and JC transfers will probably have to do for now, and even they should signal an improvement given their four-star profiles.

It all makes for a respectable UCLA team. I’ve heard some writers who regularly cover the team say it might win eight games. Uh, no. Not after the spring game made clear the defense will again be counted on to keep UCLA in most games and perhaps win a few.

The Bruins, as any one of their coaches will tell you, severely lack depth, much less the talent needed to win two-thirds of their games. That’s without even looking at the schedule. In fact, there’s only seven games UCLA can win — San Diego State, Kansas State, at Stanford, at Arizona, Washington, at Washington State, Arizona State.

Last year, UCLA’s best/worst-case scenario ranged from 4-8 to 6-6. This year it’s slightly better: 5-7 to 7-5. I say they finish .500 and earn a bowl bid.

I think that sounds about right to me.

Funny though. Adam best/worst case scenario is almost exactly in line with what we had projected last season. And yet remember the firestorm that generated leading some to baselessly observe as if we were intentionally setting low bars for Neuheisel. Looks like we shouldn't have the same issue this year. Last year's season made it very clear the kind of talent drain UCLA program had suffered from as a result of the mediocre efforts of the previous regime.

As Adam said, I think we are AT LEAST an year away from emerging as a major factor in this conference. Still I think we can all expect a better season this coming year. If we can sneak into a bowl game this season, it will be as meaningful as that first round tourney appearance in Howland's second season at UCLA.

GO BRUINS.

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Its interesting if you look at recruiting rankings

Using Scouts rankings, I averaged out the rankings over a 3 and 5 year period for the top 6 teams in the conference ( I probably sould have included AZ and Furd, but I was lazy) I think based on talent anywhere from 3-7th in conference would be in the realm of what is possible this year. The good news is that as these older classes roll off and our current talent matures, we will even out the talent gap and should be able to realisticly compete for the conference title by 2010.

SUC has an average recruiting class ranked number 3 in the nation for the 05-07 recruiting class, KAL is 15th, UCLA 27th, Oregon 30th, ASU 37th and OSU 44th.

When you look at 05-09, the numbers change, with SUC at 5, UCLA at 19, Kal at 22, Oregon at 28, ASU at 33, and OSU at 48

This shows us a couple of things:

1) Mike Riley is a hell of a coach to get where he does every year with his talent.

2) This year is key. If we can finish number 3, and somehow get another top 10 recruiting class, we will have set the foundation for a very good run for the next couple of years. The only reason I am really concerned about how we finish this year is its effect on recruiting to set us up for future years.

My 2010 pac 10 predicition:

1) Kal
2) SUC ( I think SUCs poor coaching and off the field drama catches up with them)
3) OSU
4) UCLA
5) Oregon
6) ASU
7) ZONA
8) Washington
9) Stanford
10) WSU

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on May 18, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

8 wins is possible

If everything breaks right for us. If we get to play a team like Cal while they’re injured, we avoid injuries, the ball bounces to us in a key late game scenario, etc. Now, expecting 8 would be nonsense, but it’s possible if it all goes right for us. Realistically, I’ll take 6 of 7 and get back into the postseason.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on May 18, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I just want a win over Tennessee.

And South Central of course.

Honestly, I think we are going to be much better this year. Unfortunately, I don’t that will result in more wins. Last year’s games could be painful to watch, so this year, I would be happy with just an overall improvement in play. We went into the 4th quarter last year with some games close enough to win, but we would end up squandering away the opportunities and settle for a loss. I think some of those games will fall in our favor this year. I say we’ll win two more games than we did last year.

And hopefully it will be the two games I mentioned earlier.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on May 18, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Expectations and Predictions: Two of my Favorite Things

After a few years of reading nearly everything on this site and posting lengthy arguments about this topic, I still do not know the difference between expectations and predictions. So I’m not going to rehash the arguments between Nestor and me from last year (as fun as they were).

Whether you call them expectations or predictions, there’s really no way to think of them without considering where we were last year. Last year, we were 4-8, which obviously ws not very good. How bad? Of the 65 teams in the 6 major conferences, we were one of 6 teams to finish with a 4-8 record. Six other teams were worse than 4-8, including 2 of the teams we beat—WSU and UW, who were probably the two worst teams of these 65 big conference teams.

So, our record places us in the bottom 20%—outside the ball curve, but our record may have even overstated how good we really were because we had those 2 games against the dregs of division 1 fromthe Apple State (teams that beat no other BCS division school except when they played each other). We beat WSU and UW soundly, but our other two wins required last minute touchdowns for us to win by a field goal at home against 5-7 teams.

Of our 8 losses, only two were competitive games: Fresno State (31-36) and Oregon (24-31 in what may have been our best game of the season and surely was our best road game). The other 6 losses were by a minimum of 21 points (that’s right 3 TDs!). So the reality is that we could improve quite a bit and still have trouble eliminating a 3-TD gap between us and the 6 teams that blew us out. Put another way, if we have a 2 TD improvement, we still would lose these 6 games.

Of course, you don’t play everyone in the same place as the past year, but that doesn’t necessarily help us this year. Absent tremendous improvement of their own, we should still be better than WSU and UW on any field and much better than SDSU at home. So those are 3 games we should win. Kansas State is not very good and lost its QB. Playing them at home gives us a slight edge, so it’s a game that we could win. So that’s 2 wins from last year and 2 new games that together give us 4 games that are in the probably win category.

However, our two narrow wins from last year are now road games (at Stanford and at Tennessee) and against teams who should also be improved. Suffice it to say that we will have to be much improved to beat these two teams on the road. These are more likely than not going to be losses in 2009.

Of the aforementioned 5 blowout losses (taking out BYU, who’s not on the schedule), 3 were at home (OSU, USC and Arizona) and will be road games in 2009. To lose by 21+ at home and then go on the road next year and win would require massive improvement, which is unlikely. Two others were onthe road—ASU and Cal. Cal is going to be tough to beat but not entirely out of the question—the home team has won this game every year of the new milennium. Still, I’d call this more likely than not a loss, even if we are greatly improved. ASU is a different story because the 25 point loss was punctuated by ASU’s 4 defensive TDs. The teams were actually closely matched other than at QB. I’d call this a likely win.

That leaves Oregon, which was a close game, but it was their QB’s 2nd start. Since that game, he went on a tear, as the Ducks put up 50+ points in 3 of their last 6 games and 35+ in 5 of 6. I’d call this more than likely a loss.

So, add it all up, and you have a 5-7 record. To reiterate, we could be a much improved team and still go 5-7. To put it into a bell-curve perspective, 10 of the 65 teams went 5-7 last year, so 5-7 would take us form solidly within the bottom 20% to the bottom 33 1/3% (22 of 65). If we steal a 6th win, we would go to a bowl game and join another 8 teams who went 6-7 or 7-6 and would put us right on the edge of being in the top 50%.

Okay, that’s my information dump. I think I have several points: (1): Improving from 4-8 to 6-6 requires a pretty large leap—from being worse than 4 of 5 schools to being average. (2) Record doesn’t show the whole story—we may have actually been worse than the average 4-8 team because we lost 6 games by at least 3 TDs. (3) The schedule may be easier in the sense that we don’t have BYU and have Oregon, Cal and ASU at home, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into more winnable games for us.

I think I’ve just predicted that we’ll go 5-7. Hopefully, we’ll steal an unlikely win and get into a bowl. What do I expect? Improvement. Not the kind that can necessarily be measured in wins and losses (though that type of improvement would be terrific to watch), but the kind of improvement on a micro level that will lead to the macro-level improvement by 2010. These simple things constitute my expectations for the season:

(1) An offensive line that can protect well enough to allow occasional 5-step drops and gives the QB a chance on most plays to get to his 3rd option. Fewer sacks and occasional holes for the running game. Also, I’d like to see some continuity develop on the line as the season progresses so that by the end of the year, we have 5 guys in place who will be back in 2010 and expected to start then as part of a solid to good line.

(2) A running back (or tandem) with consistent hole hitting and occasional break away ability. Last year, our longest run from scrimmage was 44 yards. I don’t have the stats for this, but we had a high percentage of tackles for losses. We need the o-line to open up holes, but we need a RB to run through them and get the consistent 3-4 yard gains, as well as a back who has home-run burst. As with the o-line, this may take time to develop, but it would be nice to go into 2010 knowing that we have 2 or 3 guys who can carry the rock effectively and at least 1 guy who has big-play potential.

(3) Turning around the TD-INT numbers at QB. We threw 9 TDs and 22 INTs last year. Craft threw 7 TDs to our team and 6 to our opponents. Throwing for 22 TDs and 9 INTs is probably too much to ask of a redshirt freshman QB, but I would have to think that more TDs than INTs—14-12 perhaps—is possible.

(4) Deep threat at WR. As with our running game, we didn’t have a deep passing attack last year. Our longest pass play went for 43 yards (not a TD). Only 2 WRs (Embree and Moya) had even 1 catch for 30 yards or longer. Part was lack of pass protection, part was Craft’s arm, and part was lack of great speed at WR. With other things coming together, we need to develop a deep threat in the passing game. All the better if it’s someone who will be returning to the team in 2010 (meaning not Austin, who’ll be a senior this year).

(5) Finally, I expect us to fight in each game. We showed some grit last year in many of our games (BYU excepted). Playing with a woeful offense , we hung tough in many games for 2 or 3 quarters before the wheels fell off the clunker we were trying to drive to the auto show. Fight and improvement in the areas described above will manifest in fewer blowouts and more competitive games. Perhaps we still go 4-8, but instead of 6 blowout losses, we have only 1 or 2. Or we stay competitive in 10 games and more of those into wins than predicted. These are little things, but I think they are important. Just as you have to walk before you can run, we need to get back to being average before we can be good. Being competitive against good teams is the beginning of that ascent.

by BruinsRule on May 18, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You guys are pessimists

We are winning 14 games in 2009 (we will get an extra win awarded for being so darn good), and Prince is going to throw for 4000 yards.

by captainqtp on May 18, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You left out

U$C* getting death penalty by the end of the season.

by Nestor on May 18, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

One thing on the OC piece

I am sure everyone here is intelligent enough to pick it up, but writers need to avoid statements like this:

In fact, there’s only seven games UCLA can win — San Diego State, Kansas State, at Stanford, at Arizona, Washington, at Washington State, Arizona State.

Seven games we “can” win? That is ridiculous. We can beat Cal if we play well and they make mistakes. We can beat Tennessee if we play well and they don’t. Oregon, Oregon State and USC—of course we “can” beat them on the right day. Anyone remember 13-9? Or that we have only lost to OSU once in the past 6 tries. Or that we play Oregon at home and only lost to them by 1 TD last year?

Can and cannot have nothing to do with will and will not or probabilities. We can also lose to SDSU and Washington. Let’s play the games and don’t give me this garbage about who we can and cannot beat.

by BruinsRule on May 18, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't see why we can't beat Kal, either

Afterall, it’s in LA, and their God-like coach was never able to even beat a Dorrell coached team in LA.

by bornagainbruin on May 18, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the note on the quake, N

While this wasn’t a really bad one, the epicenter was MUCH closer to us than any in recent years and my little Bruin was pretty scared. I told her a funny bit about one I went through as a kid, and she seemed to be taking it much better by this morning. It also reminded me of one that happened while I was in class on the top floor of Dickson when it felt like the whole building was a giant sway pole.

by bru79 on May 18, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

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